So-called "federal land" is more aptly described as national lands owned
by American citizens, all of them. This seems like a pretty good thing to me.
Why shouldn't Americans have some percentage of the US land for us all.
Utah has plenty of state lands, owned by Utah citizens. Spend your time and
energy taking care of that! On the bright side, maybe in the next BRAC Hill AFB
might get closed, then you can have a fine time figuring out what to do with
that chunk of real estate.
To those who favor fed takeover, consider this: 1) When the FEDERAL govt shut
down over Obamacare, National Parks were the first thing to go. They don't
care abut these projects. 2) The original Enabling Acts dictated that the feds
either give Utah the land or fund education with land monies, neither has
happened, 3) Even the director of Zion NP< whom I interviewed in person,
said that Washington makes his job harder. 4) The state has not sold or leased
land for extraction in quite some time, the federal government has. 5) Local BLM
officials will tell you, they are understaffed and not supported well enough by
Washington. I interviewed people from all walks of life in So. Ut. ALL of them,
even federal employees, agree that Washington is the source of problems when
managing this land.If you care about the land. If you care about fairness.
If you care about the future, turn the land over to the people who actually live
UTA, Governor Herbert, and GOP lawmakers funded Mountain Accord which is
promoting a new National Monument from Murray to Lindon controlled by the BLM -
The Wasatch National Monument.Why do we sue the Federal Government
to take state control of Utah Lands, then use state tax dollars to fund a
process like Mountain Accord to BLM-ize (Federalize) our canyons.This makes no sense.
PILT payments go to counties not to school districts. Large federal land
holdings have a very negative impact on Utah's rural school districts due
to the limited revenues they receive from property taxes which are used for
school construction and other capital improvements. Utah has an equalization
formula for M&0 (Maintenance and Operation) but now for Capital Improvement
funding.Example Wayne School District has less than 5 percent of its
land that is taxable. Garfield, Grand, and Kane Counties have less than 10
percent owned privately. It is very difficult to find sufficient revenue for
school construction, remodeling, and other capital improvements with such
limited tax revenue. To raise the same amount of revenue in many rural
districts requires 10 times the amount tax effort as it does in Park City.Those of you wanting more federal ownership of land or maintaining
exiting holdings need to lobby to get rural schools federal assistance such as a
form of PILT (Payment in Lue of Taxes) for rural school districts. Rural
students are entitled to an equitable education and access to good facilities as
much as our Eastern State neighbors.
Large federal land holdings have an enormous negative impact on rural public
schools ability to make capital improvements due to such a limited revenue from
property taxes. Example Wayne County has less than 5 percent of its land in
private ownership. Garfield, Grand, and Kane Counties have less than 10
percent. To build or remodel schools is extremely difficult due to limited
capital revenue.If the Feds continue with such high land holdings,
they need to provide financial support to these rural school districts similar
to the PILT payments they make to rural counties.
According to the Constitution, the Federal Government can't own more than
one square mile in a state... how the government ever got around that ought to
be a topic of discussion.
The federal government doesn't "own" any land. They
"manage" the land owned by the public.
Is there such thing "Area 51?" Must be all over in Nevada of 81.1%
What no comments about the economic benefits to the states from Federal land?
Utah receives over $613 Million in economic benefits. Those who posted that the
Federal government can't own land in a state without the states permission.
. . you've got that one backwards. The land in the west wast purchased by
and is owned by the Federal government . . . before. . .the western states were
formed. The Feds gave the land to the states. This article should be about how
much federal land was ceded to territories to create states. Utah was created by
the Federal government and was done so under strict guidelines and signed
When the States created the Federal Government, they granted them a district of
land not to exceed 10 miles square, and land necessary for military
applications. These are the only "Federal Lands". Anything else is
The same feds who can't balance a checkbook to control our lands?
Silverbear I hope you are a Native American. If not, much food for thought.
Article 1 Section 8 Paragraph 17 of the US Constitution prohibits the federal
government from owning any land in any state unless the state legislature
specifically voted to sell the land to the feds.The same paragraph
also enumerates the purposes for which the feds can own land in a state. None
of them include National Parks, Monuments, etc. Post Offices, Post Roads and
military facilities are pretty much the only allowed uses for Federal ownership
of land in states.If you want to be free, read the constitution and
only vote for men that support it.
What Federally owned land means to the common citizen is open access. It means
having 60,000 acres dedicated to motorcycles, four wheelers and off road
vehicles, in comparison to say like North Dakota which has little Federal lands
and an entire 100 acres for such things. It means deciding Friday to leave for
the weekend in BLM, rather than like Texas, which has vast open spaces and
little Federal Lands. In Texas one much plan months in advance to get
reservations and pay big bucks to use a four wheeler or motorcycle. Federally
owned lands in Utah means that a citizen can through his camping equipment in
the back of a 10 year old Honda or SUV and drive into the Mountains or into the
Slickrock and set up a tent. Try that in Pennsylvania's open spaces that
had little Federal Land and end up in jail for trespassing.How
interesting it is that the common citizen in Utah is driven to give away a huge
benefits that enriches their life style. Willing to give away these beautiful
resources to the highest bidder and deprive the common man of open spaces, or
limit them to the parking lot of Walmart. Rather than having full access to a
beautiful mountain meadow, or a stream cascading over a beautifully carven slick
BLM and National Forest lands are not Federal Owned they are public lands owned
by the public. Our state has wasted millions of our tax dollars in attempt to
steal these land from us, the public. When the state does get land they sell to
private interests. The so called "Sagebrush Rebellion" is a complete
public rip-off. We all pay taxes on this land and we all own it. Not the
"No offense, silverbear, but part of the reason that so much land west of
the Mississippi is dry and unproductive. Beautiful wilderness, yes, but lacking
water compared to the nation's breadbasket. That's probably why Nevada
leads the nation in federal lands. Not much out there.""Unproductive","Not much out there"? How about one of the
worlds largest gold mines, not to mention the silver. The western states
contain: Shale Oil, Gold and Silver. This is the real reason for the Feds
I would have loved to see the list without paging through 50 pages.
No offense, silverbear, but part of the reason that so much land west of the
Mississippi is dry and unproductive. Beautiful wilderness, yes, but lacking
water compared to the nation's breadbasket. That's probably why
Nevada leads the nation in federal lands. Not much out there.
@10CC:"I have an idea: Since Utahns have such a keen interest in the
deficit and national debt, perhaps the US could sell off all the federal lands
in Utah to the Chinese government..."You're hitting on an
interesting point...Our national debt has grown to such proportions
that China may well ask for/demand title to some of our national lands to
continue loaning money to us... such as the Washington Monument in DC or
Yellowstone Park in Wyoming. They may even ask for title to the White House or
Capitol. And if the federal government sez 'no,' the Chinese may say
'well then, looks like that's the end of our funding ya'lls
debt.' Our economy then tanks!
the national park service is the last entity that one should use as factual.
As usual people have been indoctrinated that the federal government can do
something right. Our state rights have been robbed by an ever expanding federal
government they are still taking land from the states. Our national parks in
many cases are embarrassing in the maintenance and upkeep any of you been to
Washington D.C. That is our nations capitol and it is embarrassing in it's
up keep of our monuments when they decide to let us visit them. Wake up and give
us our land back.
It is interesting that the vast amount of land owned by the government lies west
of the Mississippi river. Looking at Utah, Idaho, Wyoming,
Alaska,Nevada,California, New Mexico,Arizona, Oregon and Washington and its well
over 80% of federal owned land. Tell the US Government to give us back our land!
I Hope more Westerners agree.
Land belongs to the profiteers. The American Indians no longer hold any interest
in much land and we know why. So all that remains is to take the land from the
American people who paid to maintain it and keep these eco systems intact.
Getting federal land into private hands is just a function of lawsuits, court de
scions, and political energy. No property is anything other than the potential
that profit can be made off of it. Federal lands are no different ,the courts
and politicians will sell them as easily as we took the land from the Indians.
Your heritage and birth rights have a monetary value and they will be taken.
I love the complaining here about eastern states. Lets completely ignore that
these were settled land way before they were states, and way before they came
together to form the US. My wife has family out here that you can track to the
same towns clear back into the 1600's - way before we even knew there was a
Utah. Much of this land has been in private hands going way back to before
there was a USA. Utah, the state I do come from, was largely
empty when it petitioned to become a state. At time of that petitioning, the
federal government already owned the land - it was not something the
"state" owned. Those who lived here had no title to these lands. To
say the lands should be returned is a complete and total misrepresentation of
the history of the ownership of the lands that make up the current state of
Utah.So lets stop debating facts that we all know are not true...
the whole "return" these lands chatter is based on a false narrative.
I object to the title of this article which sets a bad tone. Sorry folks, I
don't feel the federal government is the enemy. The "federal
ownership" title is reminiscent to me of "Communist takeover"
rhetoric during the Cold War and seems to promote fear rather than
information.There are some advantages to being part of a republic
and having national parks/monuments is definitely one of them. Not only do they
preserve interesting topographical features of this country but also our
country's history. Thanks to President Teddy Roosevelt for promoting the
national parks.We spent 18 months in northern Virginia and are very
thankful for all of the historical sites available in Virginia and
Maryland,including the Civil War battlefields that are maintained by a national
system. Park rangers provide very illuminating presentations of not
only geographical areas but historical information that enrich visitor's
the of our country. Places like Mt. Vernon, Monticello, Ft. McHenry in
Baltimore, Antietam,Gettysburg, Fredericksburg, Spotsylvania and Bull Run
Battlefields are worth visiting and learning about. And there are many other
places in this country that are preserved in this same way. Thanks to all of
those wonderful people in the national park system who help keep our history
Let me understand this more clearly. The Feds want to take control of the lands
in Utah so they can among other things control the mining or oil production or
other development that might take place. Then in return they provide some funds
from the Feds which was taken from the states via taxes. The states are paid
with money that they took from the states in the form of Federal Taxes. What is
paid to the states contains a large percentage of borrowed money which will
eventually have to be paid back with interest paid by people who live in the
states. It just does not make a lot of sense to me, why not just keep the lands
in the states and let the states control them in the first place. If we just
kept all the money that was going to the Feds for parks in the first place the
states could do a great job of administering the "national" parks and
would have control of the lands and in most cases do a better job of
administering the parks.
Most of Nevada was once a nuclear test site, that is the biggest reason the Feds
own most of it.
Technically, a national park is designated as such in an act of congress and
administered by the US National Park Service. There are 59 national parks,
including 5 in Utah. National parks are to preserve natural beauty for the
enjoyment of visitors.The US National Park Service administers over
400 "protected areas" (national parks, some of the national monuments,
some of this national historic trails, and the like). National monuments are
portions of federal land declared by the President as a national monument,
usually for an archeological or natural beauty reason. The President directs the
owning agency (e.g., National Park Service, US Fish and Wildlife Service, Bureau
of Land Management, US Forest Service) to protect the monument. There is no
requirement to provide for the enjoyment of visitors when it comes to national
monuments.The 13 so-called national parks in Utah are protected
areas administered by the National Park Service and include national parks,
national monuments, and national historic trails.
The state does not own land either. What the state owns belongs to the people of
Utah!Get it straight, we own this land. If we do not
like what our government is doing we have the power to vote them out. We
the people, can protest, we can revolt, as a whole we are still far greater in
numbers them the government. Maybe not for long with the current political
climate, but we still can tell them what we think with our votes and our
petitions. The government has no power that we have not given them. They can do
nothing we do not allow them to do.Our very silence is a sign of our
approval. So if you don't like it speak up and vote!
Not one person alive purchased this land! Not one!This land was
bought by the blood and sweat and tears of the generations that came here long
before we were even born. Those pioneers worked hard to make peace with the
Native Americans and came here seeking refuge from those in the east who
persecuted them!It was paid for just like all the land in this entire
country was paid for.How dare anyone suggest that the land we all own is
not ours. The colonists did not pay for New York state, they should pay
for it. The federal government bought the entire western US so does that
mean that it has not been paid for? The problem is that federal land is
not the governments, it is the peoples! The government owns nothing. We do so
stop letting them run over us. We the people have the right to our land!
@So-CalAggieYou have some valid points but you seem to be forgetting a
piece of history in regards to land ownership between states and the feds. That
is the Enabling Acts, or agreements between the states and the federal govt at
the time of statehood. While most of these contained contradicting
language regarding which entity the land belonged to, most EA feature agreements
as to how lands are appropriated. For example, by law, portions of profits from
land that go to the Fed govt in Utah are supposed to be going into an education
fund for the state govt. If either party doesn't live up to it's
end of the contract, technically it should be considered null & void.
It's striking that California has far, far more federal land than Utah, in
fact California's allocation of federal land is almost as big as Utah as a
whole. Yet the Californians aren't wasting time on this dead-end topic.
The California Legislature isn't playing basketball instead of listening to
less fortunate constituents describe their healthcare access problems.I have an idea: Since Utahns have such a keen interest in the deficit and
national debt, perhaps the US could sell off all the federal lands in Utah to
the Chinese government, to pay off as much of the national debt as possible, and
Chinese corporations could move into Utah, (perhaps) supplying jobs for Utahns,
and paying tax money the Legislature can use for whatever it is that they think
is important.The rest of the nation will appreciate Utah's
sacrifice to pay down the national debt, Utah will have many new extractive
businesses (even if foreign owned) and our conservative citizens and politicians
can stop whining about what a raw deal they've gotten from the US
No wonder all the easterners want to manage the western lands. they can't
manage their own lands because they are private. makes you think about the
desire of the states to control their own land.
Very well said So-Cal Aggie! The federal land we have is a great asset to Utah.
The feds maintain it and the state of Utah and its businesses benefit from it.
All you have to do is look at what happened when the Sen. Lee and company shut
down the National Parks. It was devastating to Utah's economy until our
governor got them opened back up. Utahns should be glad was have as much
federal land as we do!
Virtually all of the states with the highest Federal Government ownership were
actually purchased by???? you guessed it, the Federal Government. This included
most of Utah. If you just thought Brigham waltzed in here and said this is the
place and voila, you are mistaken. Most of Utah was actually part of Spain and
Mexico until we agreed to purchase the land (including most of California,
Arizona, New Mexico) during the negotiations for the treaty of Hidalgo. Alaska
was purchased from Russia. And now we want to cry because the State wants the
land so they can lease it out to the highest bidder (aka the buddies of the
politicians who line their coffers with campaign donations) for mineral
extraction and all sorts of dubious industrial uses? Ha! That land is owned by
the Citizens of this great Nation! Not the State. The State didn't buy
it, WE did, the US citizens. Utah's contribution? Sure Brigham sent some
soldiers to San Diego, big whoop. This country fought a war for those lands, it
belongs to US, not the bro-in-law of some state lawmaker.
States had better regain control of their lands. When China and other countries
holding massive US debt want their money, you will see these federal lands being
turned over for payment. The federal govt. EPA started under Nixon controls
this land. Nixon also took the US off the gold standard. These
"federal" lands are collateral to back the US dollar. The FED under
the ongoing QE3 is still printing tens of billions of dollars monthly,
continuing to slowly debase the currency.
@ Vanceone "bribes to local democratic politicians to introduce a bill to
allow you to build your shed"Being from Utah County, how many
Democratic politicians do you run into needing a bribe?
May I add, the Village of King Cove Alaska has been seeking permission from
Federal government for over 20 years to put 11 miles of road through a wild life
refuge. The state of AK has even offered to swap 56,393 acres of state land in
exchange for the 1,806 acres to get this road put in. King Cove needs this
road to access an all weather airport in Cold bay. In the intervening 20 years
several lives have been lost because king Cove peoples could not access the
airport in inclement weather. Hence, the reason for the road, to save lives. With ownership of 58% of AK, the current Government seeks/desires death
over common sense.
DNews needs to change the way they publish these online lists. Firstly, having
to click through an entire list is just simply unnecessary. Publish your entire
lists on one page, each one linked elsewhere if desired. This methodology of
multiple-page lists was old immediately after it began to be used a couple of
years ago.Secondly, this article is about percentages, and yet the
list is in alphabetical order. Does this make sense to anyone? Anyone? Someone
interested in this article is going to want to see the list in an ordered %
format (either high to low, or low to high), not alphabetical, which makes no
sense for a numeric-drive article.
Wow. I had always thought Alaska was in first place. This shows Alaska 3rd
place after Nev and Utah, Perhaps from a different perspective Alaska is. My alternate source shows 58.6% of Alaska is Federal own, 28.5% state owned,
12.5% Native corporations. .4% is left in Private hands. I suspect Alaska
is in 1st place for lowest percent in private hands.
So did I read this correctly that only Nevada has more Federal holding than
Not to mention that a certain professional photographer decided to light a
bonfire under the arch to teach a night photography workshop and permanently
scorched the arch in the process.I love our national parks, I think
all of our federal land is one of the best things we have going for us here in
Utah. The opportunities it provides an average citizen like me is phenomenal.I'm curious how the land grab would effect areas such as the
Wellsville mountains. Earlier in the century residents of the area had severe
problems with erosion and flooding due to overgrazing and timber harvesting.
Eventually they got so fed up they pooled their money and purchased the lands,
and then donated them to the forest service. How can Utah just take those lands
now? Frankly Utah's federal lands never at any point belonged to Utah. I
suggest if we want them Utah somehow finds the money to purchase them.
That's the only logical course of action to me. Utah might be
able to do a better job managing it, but I doubt they can afford it, and frankly
I don't trust all of the real estate developers in our legislature.
The Tea Party takeover of state governments proves beyond a shadow of a doubt
that Federal Lands should NEVER be transferred over to State Control.State Governments are too-easily purchased by well-heeled would-be plutocrats
like the Koch brothers, who would knock down Delicate Arch and build a parking
lot in its place if they thought they could make some money off of it.
Bret Webster's photo of Landscape Arch and the Milky Way is pretty awesome.
I teach "NightScape" photo workshops in the national parks, and I know
that taking a photo like this is quite difficult and requires a lot of skill and
artistry. However, everyone needs to know that a shot from this angle (under the
arch) is against park regulations. An area about 100 feet around the arch was
roped off many years ago due to a large rock fall that happened in 1991.
Photographing under the arch is considered dangerous by the park service and is
against their regulations.
What percentage of each state is owned by the Federal Government? According to
the liberals and Obama: Not enough, not until it's 100 % owned or
controlled.Because until you have to beg the EPA, the IRS, and every
other government agency to build a shed and pay through the nose in fees, impact
statements, taxes, more taxes, bribes to local democratic politicians to
introduce a bill to allow you to build your shed, etc it's never enough.
The information regarding the number of national parks in each state is taken
directly from the National Park Service website. According to the National Park
Service website's section, "Utah By The Numbers," Utah has "13
There is information in the above report that is not accurate. The most obvious
to me is that the number of "National Parks" in each state is incorrect
(If one assumes that the same methodology for calculating Utah's National
Parks in the article was applied to other states). Utah has 5 National Parks
(Zion, Bryce Canyon, Arches, Canyonlands, and Capitol Reef) - not 13. We may
have 8 other Federal areas such as National Monuments, but they are not National
Parks. A very quick Google search indicates the other states have far fewer
National Parks than stated in the article as well. Perhaps the category could
be adjusted to state "National Parks, National Monuments, National
recreation areas, National Forests, and other Federally controlled areas" or
whatever the truth actually is. It may seem as though I'm nitpicking, but
it makes me wonder if the other numbers and data presented in the article may be
off by the same margin - if things may have been lumped together into a category
and the data is inaccurate. It is simply sloppy data gathering and reporting.
Make everything accurate and the reliability of the entire story is enhanced.