Another good question you over-looked is what three Temples had the Statue
placed on the same day, a first in the Church?
Though the cross is not found on temples and steeples of LDS chapels and
churches, its significance, eternal meaning and deeper symbolism is still taught
- inside the TEMPLE! So it's not necessarily the outward appearance but
the inner spiritual significance of the cross that's more important.
Cyrus Dallin trivia: The mother of Elder Oaks was a Cyrus Dallin model. She is
the likeness of the Pioneer Woman sculpture in Springville...and he was the
inspiration for the name Dallin Oaks.
What will be on Romes
To Lee Wright of Mount Pleasant, Utah. I know you, we were good neighbors in
that ward. I know when that Angel was added, as well. What a day that was. We
all grew up in the Light of the glory of the Temple! We knew your family well,
there was much love in that neighborhood! Many strong testimonies! Would be a
wonderful thing to reminisce.God bless you. (If you are the Wright I believe you
are, your grandfather? performed the marriage for my parents.) Deseret can you
Hard to say these are little know facts since this story has been repeated ad
The Kirtland Temple, currently owned by Community of Christ, does not have an
Angel Moroni statue. (To correct a previous post)
"A pedantic would know that Mormonism places the Garden of Gethsemane over
the Cross for the actual transaction of Christ's Atonement. That forever
separates you from the Biblical Body. So statues and non-Cross churches are
perfect for a 19th-century organization that does believe in Christ, the Christ
of Joseph's remake."On this we can agree and maybe mind our
own businesses? A trait many could learn from the restoration Christian
tradition? First we cannot use the cross and then we must/ I love the same
gospel songs like "The Old Rugged Cross' since I an also an American
and my ancestors came as non-conformist religious Puritans and Pilgrims, Quakers
(and natives of southeast) Those who came here seeking and bringing freedom?
Even the Jaredite/Hebrew Cherokees, you can read James Adair's American
Indian history of 1775 online.The MMM was an aberration caused by
war hysteria. The tenor in the USA was to wipe out Mormonism and some still
generationally and institutionally taught that old meme?Search
online for 1857 Iron county Militia for complete study of the MMM. Check out
the part played by Highlanders Macfarlane and Stewart. The grit of the outlaws
that America made heroes as in Quantrill, killer of 150 in Kansas?
OnlytheCross states that LDS cannot use the cross--Constantine's cross. In
the apostolic church the cross wasn't the symbol but a fish or lamb (?) I
think.Other Traditional, or politically allied with the Roman
Catholic Church, Christians and the Nicean Trinity and other creeds fault the
non-use of the cross by the LDS Church who focus on the resurrected Messiah
rather than the suffering Messiah.Restoration Christianity then
would be appropriate term for the restored apostolic church of Christ/ no
To the person that said that the trumpet Moroni holds is "modern," I
suggest you look up the trumpets found in Tutankhamun's tomb. They look
much like Moroni's trumpet.
@azmom7 also to signify the blow of the first resurrection. When all, the quick
and the dead, shall rise from the grave and of course to mark the Lord s return
from the East for the Millenium.
Why is Moroni blowing a trumpet? You need to read about the Feast of
"Trumpets" in ancient Israel - it was the call of 'gathering'
& return to temple worship.
@Val415Go deeper than biased Wiki. The truth is there; many
accurate books written on the subject. But my direct answers won't pass
the Zion Curtain here.Joseph Smith owns Moroni, Biblical
Christianity owns the Cross of Christ. You can call yourself any religion you
want. But when you tell the world in 1830 that all Christian churches,
authority, priesthoods and the Holy Bible are corrupt and devoid of God's
plenary truth and that you are re-establishing God's original Church and
Truth, stick to your foundational claim.A pedantic would know that
Mormonism places the Garden of Gethsemane over the Cross for the actual
transaction of Christ's Atonement. That forever separates you from the
Biblical Body. So statues and non-Cross churches are perfect for a 19th-century
organization that does believe in Christ, the Christ of Joseph's remake.
When President Hinckley (then apostle) was presiding over the Taiwan Taipei
temple capping ceremony he directed the workers to turn the angle Moroni to the
west to face China. When he dedicated the Hong Kong Temple he noted that it
faced east towards Taiwan. Thus the hearts of the children are turned to the
fathers and the hearts of the fathers are turned to the children.
@OnlytheCrossAfter a brief search on an unbiased website
(Wikipedia), I discovered that Brigham Young did have the cross and cairn torn
down. (I don't know why, but I imagine that leaving a threatening statement
in a tense, heated area isn't a spectacular idea.) The cairn and cross were
reconstructed, but the Bible verse on the cross was repeatedly vandalized with
things like, "Remember Hawn's Mill and Carthage Jail." Later, the
land was donated to the Church, who have rebuilt the cairn, placed memorial
plaques, reinforced the protecting wall, and spent plenty of time and money on
something that is a black mark in the history of the Church and making it
accessible to the public. Also, you forgot about 1990, 1999 and 2011.So I have to ask, which group are you? MMA or MMMF?Also, just
because I'm pedantic. 1. Mormons believe in Christ and are therefore
Christians. 2. Mormons believe in the Bible, making us a biblical church. 3.
Nobody owns the cross. You can use the shape of a cross in a logo and have it
represent a specific church (I'm thinking of Methodists), but no one can
say who can or can't use a cross.
@Val415Sorry for the confusion. Not all members know their Church
history, especially if they have to dig deep for it. I was advocating for
all churches/groups to have the freedom to post & decorate their buildings
and cites with their own (accurate) representative memorials. The two points I
was making was (a): for no group/church to erroneously use another's symbol
which does not reflect their own teachings; and (b): for no group/church to
refuse another entity to erect their group's memorial symbol on their
gravesite, if that burial area happens to be under the other group's
control. (In the case of the Fancher wagon train, Mountain Meadows
was open range and not in ownership by the LDS Church. Pres. BYoung allowed the
original 16' foot Cross to be torn down by his men on his first visit to
the site, two years after the 1857 massacre of 120 Christian families, committed
by John D. Lee and 50 members of the Iron County Militia. The Church has not
allowed its restoration to this day, only having publicly apologized for the
massacre in 2007.Any LDS Church policy can be reversed, so the
2,000+ yr old symbol is not protected from new prophets.
Research for the film, Mountain of the Lord, elicited the information that the
program for the Salt Lake Temple capstone ceremony, which took place one year to
the day before the dedication, identified the statue as Gabriel. Later that year a story about the impending dedication of the temple in the
Los Angeles Times identified the statue as Moroni. It's not known when, by
whom or why the name was changed.
Tidbit 1 - Moroni faces NORTH in Chicago.Tidbit 2 - It is apparently
common for lightning to strike. The DC temple had several holes in it too small
@OnlytheCross You're in luck! Church policy is to not use the cross as
decoration in or on any Church building. But your comment confuses
me. You don't want the LDS Church to have the freedom to use the cross, but
you want the same freedom for another church to use the cross? What you are
actually saying is that you want this group to not have the freedom to put up a
cross memorial. Okay, cool
I will always support putting Moroni or any Book of Mormon, Mayan objects, Aztec
sun dials, etc., that LDS want on their buildings in any community- except The
Cross. If that effort is ever attempted, Biblical Christians will object
dramatically.It would be "nice" if the same freedom of
choice were offered to the Fancher-Baker families at their memorial cairn at MM
site near Enterprize, UT. That cross was torn down several times, but we are
still pursuing it in God's timing.
Above comments are correct in that neither Idaho Falls nor Boston Temples had an
Angel Moroni Statue in place until after they were dedicated.Here's a question: On the same day in September 2001 three temples had
the statue placed atop them. Which Three? Nauvoo, Boston and one over-seas. I
cannot remember which the third one was....can anyone help me out with that
@janeann3797: "Perhaps it is Alma!"Can't be Alma. We
have no evidence that he could fly like Moroni. How you gonna get on top of a
steeple if you can't fly?
Nice, but it could be symbolic of Aaron's golden calf while Moses was away
getting the Ten commandments.
I was the Project Coordinator during the three years of construction at the San
Diego Temple. Lightening struck the Angel Moroni on the Martin Luther King
holiday. My daughter was with me that day - a very stormy day. I asked her to
come to the window and watch the lightening. As we looked out, lightening
struck the angel darkening his face and the arm holding the trumpet. I'm not sure on what the individual was basing his comment " people
gave us a hard time". We received no negative phone calls that day or ever
regarding that incident.
He's not atop a Temple, but the Moroni statue at the Hill Cumorah used to
face East. But that meant he had his back to the main slope of The Hill, and
drivers on NY Route 21, and (worse) turned his back on all those who came to
watch the exquisite Hill Cumorah Pageant. Several years ago, at the request of
(I believe) President Hinckley, the Moroni statue was turned to be more
friendly.He has a book in his left hand, and his right arm raised to
East, West it's all relative and depends upon where you stand on the globe
for your frame of reference. Since East seems to have some scriptural support
one can only assume some sort of cosmic widdershins approach.
The Boston Mass. Temple was dedicated without Moroni.
I thought I would inform you that the list of temples that had a statue placed
on it after dedication is wrong. Two temples that I know of are 1 - the Idaho
Falls temple had been built for a number of years and had no angel on top of it.
Sometime in the early '80s the angel was placed on it. 2 - Boston temple.
The church did not have city clearance to build something so tall. If you look
at the temple there is a ledge just under the angel. That temple was finished to
the ledge for almost a year. The neighbors (non mormons) went to the city and
petitioned that the temple be finished because it looked incomplete without the
angel. Those are the two I know of. I bet if you do more research you
would find more.
i been reading again i dont think people understand of why the angel moroni is
turned west the reason that i have heard is from rumers from history est of why
thy point west is because its for the march to the western world of the united
states but i could be wrong on that other thing is we have a couple of temples
that have the angel on them that point east maybe this just means the way back
to the city on the river that we found so many years a go .
i just like to add that i have only seen couple things here about the manti
temple the temple has a angel moroni but just ones a year and yes he is
I posted this earlier, but it didn't go up so here goes again. Dallin was born in Springville, UT and was from Mormon pioneer stock so he was
a member of the Church. It is reported he later became a Unitarian, but unless
he was excommunicated (which I don't believe ever happened) he should still
be listed in the membership of the Church. He stated that his creation of the
Angel Moroni statue was the greatest spiritual experience of his life.
On the lists of temples that had angle Moroni added after dedication, please add
the Idaho Falls Temple to the list. I was there and saw it being added.It
happened on Labor Day, 1983, at 6:00 AM. We lived across the street from the
temple, and in the temple ward.
Manti Temple has only had a living Angel Moroni at night in the summertime
during the Mormon Miracle pageant. Interesting that the west tower was
constructed with a flat roof, allowing a living angel to stand on top during a
scene of the pageant. (I don't think Manti has had a permanent one
installed yet, but the Provo Temple has had one the past few years. The original
design on the Provo Temple was a gold fountain-like steeple. It has now been
painted white, to offset the gold Angel.
The Pictures that I have of the Mesa Temple to sell in my bookstore does not
have an Angel. the Last time I was in Mesa, which was a few years ago, there
was no angel. At one time the Nauvoo temple had an Angel Flying rather than one
standing. Some of us that are little older will remember many of the temples
with a Statue. The Important part of temples are that the blessngs of Temple
Worship, have not changed. Sealing families together for ever have not changed.
The Sacredness of the Temple Ordinances have not changed. I can bear my testimny
The Seattle Temple, which faces east, has the entrance from the rear (west end
of the temple) and the Angel Moroni facing the same (west).Also, I
remember that there was so much resistance to the building in Boston that the
council thought that they could prevent it's construction by disallowing
the spire and the statue, as being too tall. However, the Lord's Church and
His plan will not be thwarted...The spire and statue were removed and the plans
resubmitted, which were eventually approved for construction. Eventually, the Church repetitioned to add them to the existing structure and
that was also approved. Was Mitt governor then? Maybe. Also, Teddy
and Orrin were very good friends.
To add another to the list. Sydney Temple had Moroni added about a year after
the dedication after the local council finally approved it.
I believe the Angel Moroni statue on the Spokane Temple originally faced east
and was later rotated to its current direction: west.
Further review shows that the list of statues added after dedication list should
include the Tokyo Temple rather than the Fukuoka Japan Temple. The Manhattan
Temple should also be included on this list.
According to Cyrus Dallin's own journals (family genealogy) it was the
Angel Moroni who appeared to him and asked him to do the sculpture after he
refused the church leadership. So the Angel Moroni sculpture he did was
perfectly accurate to the real person.
Moroni 10: A testimony of the Book of Mormon comes by the power of the Holy
Ghost—The gifts of the Spirit are dispensed to the
faithful—Spiritual gifts always accompany faith, Moroni’s words speak from the ‘dust’. Compare poor KJV
translation to(Latin vulgate, Is 29:4), and thy speech shall whisper out of the
‘dust’. and thy voice shall be from the earth like that of the
“*pythonis=(familiar spirit)”, and out of the earth thy speech shall
mutter. Acts 16:16 And it came to pass , as we went to prayer a
certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination= (*python/Grk,=4436) met
us which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying . (Latin
Vulgate 1 Sam 28:7) And Saul said to his servants: Seek me a woman that hath a
divining spirit=( *pythonem/familiar spirit), and I will go to her, and enquire
by her. And his servants said to him: There is a woman that hath a divining
spirit=(*pythonem)[witch]at Endor.In Greek mythology, Pythian a
serpent dwelt in the region of Pytho said to have guarded the oracle at Delphi
and been slain by Apollo. 2.a spirit of divination.
@ AnArizonanTrue, the Boston Temple did not have one originally, but
then again, at first, the Boston Temple did not have a spire. The designs
included one, but the local authorities insisted that the spire put the building
above the height limit for the codes and refused to allow it. Thanks in part to Senator Ted Kennedy who pointed out that nearly ever other
church in Boston had a spire, permission was granted for the church to complete
that portion of the structure and then the Angel was of course placed on top.
I love the statue but from the onset of my conversion, and my very powerful
testimonies of the trueness of the church, the prophet, the healing powers of
the priesthood, (said testimony of Jesus Christ having been known since nearly
the beginning of time for me), AND from my reading the Book of Mormon in full
from the very first time, I ask you ALL: How is it that this statue is claimed
to be that of Moroni? Why not Alma? For it is Alma who desired with all his
heart and proclaiming that desire several times to both his followers and to
Almighty God to play with a loud trump a joyful noise about the word of God!
And it is written of God that whosoever endures the hardships of this life will
be granted whatsoever his heart desires! Perhaps it is Alma!
Though the Kirtland, Los Angeles and Salt Lake temples had the Angel Moroni
statues on them, it was not a common thing for temples to have them. Mesa,
Cardston, England, Switzerland, Hawaii, Idaho Falls and so forth were not
intended to have one.When Washington D.C. was built, according to an
article in the Ensign at the time, church leaders felt that this temple was
going to be representing the church in nation's capital - therefore it too
was built with six spires; though modified, and an angel set to go on top. The
chapel there already had one - which was then removed, as stated in the
article.Since the construction of the Washington D.C. temple, all
temples built since were designed to include the Angel Moroni, with few if any
exceptions. And many, if not all, previously built temples were retrofitted
with one as this has come to symbolize the church and especially the temples.
The Boston Temple did not have an Angel Moroni placed prior to it's
dedication. It was placed later with the steeple.
Thanks, KelleyWSmith for the information on the feast of trumpets.Moroni himself stated in the last verse of the Book of Mormon that his spirit
and body shall again reunite and 'I am brought forth triumphant through the
AIR'. Traveling through the air is the same as flying through
the earths atmosphere.Although, Joseph Smith describes Moroni's
mode of travel as being by a conduit of light back and forth from earth to
heaven on September 21, 1823.
I remember the San Diego Moroni being struck by lightening before the
dedication. People there gave us a hard time!
OK...The London Temple must have just had the Angel Moroni put up in the past 20
years since I was there 20 years ago next month. That's pretty cool!
London Temple doesn't have an Angel Moroni on it either.
Thanks for the interesting article on the Angel Moroni statues. The list of
temples that have had statues added since their dedication should include the
Sydney Australia Temple and the Boston Massachusetts Temple. As already noted
the Idaho Falls Temple should also be included. However, I believe the Fukuoka
Japan Temple statue was added during the construction of the temple and before
I find it interesting that the whole design was inspired through a non-member
and that a Trumpet was added to the design. In reality it is a perfect
representation of "The Feast of Trumpets" that occurred on Sept 22,
1827, the EXACT day that Moroni gave the plates to Joseph Smith! The
meaning of this "feast" is to signal: 1-The beginning of
Israel's final harvest, 2-The day God set to remember his ancient
promises to gather Israel 3-A Time when a New Revelation would lead to a
new covenant with Israel, and 4-A Time to prepare for the Millennium.The symbol of Moroni holding a Trumpet is a final call to the to awaken,
repent and prepare! I hope the world is watching and paying attention to this
Which temples had a statue added to them after dedication? You missed one:
I fine with having the Angel Moroni atop our Temples ... but, I just wish they all had the "book" [plates, scrolls, stick,
etc.] in the one hand, and shown with the correct Mosaic SHOFAR - trumpet
being a rams horn, [and not that modern brass trumpet].
The Nauvoo Temple statue faces west.