Utah Gov. Gary Herbert: 'Both sides are guilty' and Trump, Democrats 'ought to dial it back'

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  • oaklandaforlife Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2019 6:46 p.m.

    @Farmington Fan,

    "There may be a bone in Trump's body that is not racist."

    Simply hilarious, and so very, very true.

  • Farmington Fan Farmington, UT
    July 20, 2019 5:21 p.m.

    There may be a bone in Trump's body that is not racist.

  • Lilly Munster , 00
    July 20, 2019 6:05 a.m.

    Both sides have behaved badly? Then show us any Democratic Congress Person, candidate running for President, or Public Figure who has talked like or acted like, anything near the racism, vulgarity, or dishonesty of Trump. At Trump rallies, he whips up his highly selected mob into vulgar, angry and violent rhetoric, that is never shown on camera due to decency restraints. You cannot take your children or grandparents anywhere NEAR the people at a Trump rally. They call for the harassment and even death of Trump's critics.

  • storm3033 Vernal, Utah
    July 19, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    I have to wonder if governor Herbert would have used the phrase of burning witches at the stake if trump had targeted 4 male congressmen?

  • Sense&Sensibility Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2019 9:17 p.m.

    Moral relativism isn’t the answer.

    “‘It's not the case that this has to be a partisan battle,’ Karpowitz said. ‘What's striking is the extent to which Republicans in Utah missed a chance to make a moral point.’

    The point that could have been made, he said, is ‘about the meaning of the nation and about the inclusion of different groups and about the notion that we can all be Americans even if we disagree on policy grounds’."

    Excellent analysis! An opportunity was lost by leaders who are quiet, equivocate, or who openly defend his reprehensible rhetoric. Another DN Article — “Majority of Utahns disapprove of Trump’s job performance, many strongly, poll finds” states:

    “...53% of registered voters surveyed disapprove of the GOP president’s job performance, including 44% who expressed strong disapproval....”
    — Lisa Riley Roche 7/18/19.

    Hopefully, your Governor will include these stats in his meeting with VP Pence next week. It might be a good idea to do some research on how many [R]’s are leaving the party too.

  • RichmondUT ,
    July 18, 2019 5:27 p.m.

    Governor Herbert comment is not about the relative justice of the causes being debated, it is about the means people use to promote their causes. People should fight fair and use decorum. Both sides need to improve.

  • 1st avenue New York, NY
    July 18, 2019 5:24 p.m.

    @Light and Liberty
    The more you defend him the more relativistic your reasoning becomes, “but those who their people were bad too, but a lot to f it is not bathe past, but most of what he is doing is minor.” Sometimes wrong is just wrong. You have the chance to call for a primary contender that shares the moral values you claim to have. . Someone that does not have the moral issues of Trump. I guess what you do next will tell us how important morals really are to you.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    July 18, 2019 4:42 p.m.

    Well, I can see no headway was made, but one. Those talking about Trump's misbehaviors are hypocrites unless they also want to point out the behavior, far worse in documented hate, womanizing, and a host or related crimes of passion, abuse, and criminal actions, of Kennedy, LBJ, and Roosevelt. But, alas, I guess that doesn't matter because that is in the past. Woops, most of Trump's poor decisions were in the past as well. Now, we come back to why millions upon millions of fine, upstanding, Americans support him regardless of his tweets. They may even disagree with his tweets, but compared to his policy support, minor skirmishes. Trump, as our Senator Mike Lee as said, has done more for freedom than any recent president! If he has to answer to God, and he surely will, just like you and me, for his own life, than what he did for his fellow Americans will at least mean something in that day of reckoning. He stood for America, against Socialism (the worst system in the world for elevating the economic well being of man), and against infanticide. He stood for the constitution, freedom of speech, press, the right to bear arms. Tweets? Minor, especially when untrue!

  • 1st avenue New York, NY
    July 18, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    @Light and Liberty
    The GOP could have chosen candidates that have not engaged in so many morally questionable behaviors that would have pushed their agenda forward and likely been more successful at doing so in 2016. The GOP could show they are the party of morality and values now by putting up and voting for a primary contender to Trumps 2020 run but instead it appears the GOP has become comfortable with relativism.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    July 18, 2019 2:10 p.m.

    Uteman: This sounds like a progressive. I listed those accomplishments (and they are accomplishments that took great sacrifice, endurance, and commitment) because I was sick and tired of being labeled, you name it, by those who want to label me such just because I support Donald Trump. I do not excuse him for his poor behavior, past mistakes, or immorality. Given that, I believe he represents in his policies those things I outlined that represent what I believe and what most Americans want. His tweets are a small part, especially when the conclusions drawn are not true, or maybe true, or whatever! And yet...and yet, instead of congratulations on those real life experiences that give me a voice that should be given some credibility in speaking about character, etc., you took the road that many progressives take, which is to rip those down while justifying your own biases.

    I didn't justify my disagreement with Oboma by calling all his followers racist, bigoted, etc. Do likewise.

    Trump policies, not words. Words are worthless.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 2:08 p.m.

    @Light and Liberty
    Defending Trump who has a life long history of morally objectionable behaviors because he supports your views on certain “values” issues is the very definition of moral relativism. Someday the far right my come to realize they have done more to harm religion then anyone else could have done in 20 lifetimes.

  • Fruitpup Provo, UT
    July 18, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    Kind of like how there were some “very fine people” on both sides of the Charlottesville incident.? Come on now, I’m pretty moderate and I vote independent, but I know butt kissing when I see it. Trump’s racist diatribe is the new Mein Kampf and people like Herbert are being suckups to a hate monger—cowardly.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 18, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    Saying 'But he hit me first' or 'Everyone does it' doesn't fly with our kids. Yet, this is the standard excuse now given by Republicans whenever they're caught doing something immoral/illegal/unethical. And Trump does one or more of these every day, sometimes multiple times.

    I don't care what the Dems do. Let them dig a hole for themselves. The GOP is MY party, the one I grew up with. I loved Reagan BECAUSE he was so doggone moral and upright. Jack Kemp, Goldwater, Gerald Ford, Eisenhower et al - these were men of character (remember when that mattered?). Now our go-to is: 'But Trump is a lot better than Hillary', etc. Weak.

    We do have a choice, people. Stop making excuses. It just undermines and kills any moral high ground we have left. Start looking for someone else to lead the GOP. Anyone and I mean anyone can appoint conservative judges. We don't have to put up with the garbage that Trump creates for himself and for all of us.

  • uteman1011 South Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    Light and Liberty - St George, UT; you give your laundry list of why you're a great person with ONE wife, kids on missions with eagle scout rankings and an educator.

    It's perplexing as to why you support the president? Your pathetic attempt at justifying his behaviors and then giving all the reasons you hate the Democrats.
    So you agree with trump's racist tweets and speech? You give him a pass for cheating on all his wives and sleeping with a porn star (which he paid off)? You agree with his business accumen in ripping off contractors and then filing for bankruptcy (6 times) to get out of his obligations? You have not problem with trump inciting violence in his speeches and inciting violence against the press at every turn?
    Thank the lard you're not teaching my children!

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    July 18, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    Trump in 2020. I served a mission, five missionary sons and daughters, four Eagle Scouts, married to one women, teacher in public education, service to neighbors. Two reasons to support Trump: He stands against Socialism and he cares for the life of the unborn. I will take a few, negative so-called, tweets in a trade off for Socialism and a child's life! I am also sick of the Democratic party, its members, and the media, that basically breed intolerance, make Trump an offender for a word (Even though there is no proof in his words that he is racist), apologize for traditional values, support the legalization of what God has decreed is wrong, have seared consciences when it comes to the life of the unborn, want open borders and free health care for anyone entering our country illegally, defend intolerance and bigotry and outright condemnation of the Constitution, America, and free enterprise, and don't believe in a system that has raised a billion people out of poverty in the world, but want me to charge Trump with 'racism' because he challenged a few Anti-American Socialists to go to a country that welcomes their philosophy! You need to get real!

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    @search diligently
    You seem to have left off his last tweet in that thread. An innocent mistake and not bias, right?

    “....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!.”

    He doubled down and made his intent clear last night when he stated “"They're always telling us how to run [the country]... you know, if they don't love it, tell 'em to leave it,"

    Not really a lot of need for interpretation there.

    When asked if he was concerned that white nationalist groups are finding common cause with him on that point," Trump replied, "It doesn't concern me because many people agree with me."

  • Golfguy Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 12:31 p.m.

    "There are good people on both sides."
    Donald Trump tacitly approving the horrors of Charlottesville.
    "Both sides are guilty."
    Gary Herbert channeling Donald Trump racist populism.

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    July 18, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    Gov. Herbert - I typically find myself quite pleased with your calm demeanor and policies as governor. I've never agreed with any politician 100% of the time, but I have generally found you to be a relatively un-partisan man of character.

    That being said, your statement - though accurate under the right lens - was a cop-out. You were too scared of the overly-partisan republican power-brokers in this state that refuse to call out Trump for the stupid things he says and does. Yes, the political process, in Washington especially, is plagued with over-the-top rhetoric and personal attacks, and both parties are neck deep in the mud. That said, when the President dives into the mud pit head first he should be called out. His statement was absolutely inexcusable. It bothers me that all republicans can't recognize that. Defending his statement is doing far more political damage than admitting he said something horrible, don't you think?

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    As name calling and hyperbole from the right and left escalate out of control, Gov. Herbert is correct, dial it back. It used to be that one side took the high road, but now each side tries to outdo their adversary with more extreme rhetoric egged on by their party's extremists. It no longer matters who started it, one side needs to step up and end it. Civility is never out of style.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    July 18, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    @ OldMain

    "The left will call the right racist no matter who heads the party."

    Unless you're going to argue that racists popped into existence only with the advent of Trump, doesn't what we're seeing suggest that a racist sentiment HAS always existed in the GOP, no matter who was leading the party; that Trump has just given this subset of people permission to openly indulge their lesser angels again?

    I understand what you're saying about the left overusing the racist label. I agree, and I agree that this has muted its credibility on this point. However, this doesn't change the truth: There IS a vein of racism, xenophobia, and/or white nationalism in the GOP*, and according to the political scientists, it has been there for at least half a century.

    So I don't think the suspicions and reservations of trust have been baseless. Overused maybe, but wrong? Clearly not, IMO. Additionally, in light of the current mealy-mouthing or just plain silence from most on the right, I don't see how conservatives can complain if (when) the accusations continue.

    *I'm not suggesting that the Democratic Party is completely innocent of these things. Humans are members of that party too.

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    July 18, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    Perhaps both sides are guilty of offensive rhetoric, however only one side made racist comments and that was the president of the USA. The world is watching and listening and it is repulsive.

  • wgirl , 00
    July 18, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    Oh...he is equating the mean-girl Tweet insults and name-calling the President does with policy proposals members of the House have put forward?

    The ol' "good people on both sides" rationale?

    So that means that there were good people on both sides of the walls of Han's Mill? Both sides - Mormons and Missourians should "dial it back?" Those mobs were just making a "political comment" and telling them to go back to where they came from wasn't wrong?

    What side do you want to be one? Who will you be numbered with?

    Those that stood for decency, tolerance, compassion, morality and integrity or the self-centered, serial adulterer, fraudster, liar, and hateful Grabber-in-Chief?

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    July 18, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    DN needs to stop censoring and allow conservative takes to be published... especially when the effort is made to publish what President Trump actually said which has been taken completely out of context and is this:

    Donald J. Trump

    · Jul 14, 2019
    So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

    Donald J. Trump

    ....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

    That is a whole lot different than what has been reported by all the fake news, including DN, who don't want to put it in context.

  • jkcook ID, 00
    July 18, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    No one leading anything, especially our nation should be so disrespectful to anyone. He should be disciplined and/or removed. Instead of criticizing how they are doing their jobs, he should focus on doing his and filling the hundreds of vacant positions he's left in the hands of unapproved 'acting' personnel.

  • cpafred Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    cjb: “President Trump said go back to the countries you came from. Fix the problems there. Then come back and tell us how to to it.”
    What is wrong with that?”

    That’s exactly what they are (trying)to do.
    They are all Americans—3 of them born in America. America is where they came from. And, agree or disagree with their proposals, they were elected by their constituents to serve in Congress to fix the problems.

  • ultragrampa Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    @ cjb:

    "...do it in a respectful way."

    You mean unlike your President? Why don't you require the same standard of him???

  • 9MM Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    It takes two to tango. Everyone is an adult here, and none of them have the excuse of a five year old that the bully made them do it. Just because one side is willing to wallow in the filth does not give anyone else justification for similar behavior. The presidents inexcusable disparagement of elected members of congress does not justify their inexcusable disparagement of an elected president.

    We may have a loud mouthed and reprehensible president. But that will not be corrected by loud mouthed and reprehensible congressmen and women!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    President Trump said go back to the countries you came from. Fix the problems there. Then come back and tell us how to to it.

    What is wrong with that?

    All these women have been very disrespectful of the United States and it's people. This when they should have shown gratitude.

    I agree with President Trump on this one. If you truly want to help the country you live in, yes point out it's problems, but do it in a respectful way.

  • What!? Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    Gotta smile a little bit at this forum and others like it.
    I even wonder at some of my own motives at times...
    But are we here to defend whatever noise and the noisemakers being reported here?
    Or are we just trolling for clicks.

    Just sayin'

  • logical Meridian, ID
    July 18, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    The DN again prints blips from the actual tweet and then inputs how we are supposed to interpret it.

    Here are the 2 tweets that everybody is talking about. You can read it and you can decide. Is this racist?

    Dated 6:27 AM Jul 14, 2019
    “So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly....”
    “and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....”

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    July 18, 2019 10:17 a.m.

    "The House approved a resolution Thursday to condemn "anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, racism and other forms of bigotry" in a move that Democrats hope will quell the latest uproar over Rep. Ilhan Omar's criticism of Israel."

    I did not think that her comments were anti-semitic. They were trying to make a point to the AIPAC (American Israeli PAC), so I don't think that this is an example of Democrats acting in a statesmanlike style.

    In any event, Trump has commented that many people agree with him.

    1) If you are truthful, ethical and right then you are a majority of one. You don't need someone else to agree with you.

    2) I hear too many people condemning someone's statements or trying to ban them because "some" people are offended. We have 300 million people in this country: I don't like donuts. Oops! "Some" people were just offended by what I said. I guess that I need to be banned and persecuted and hated now. By the same token, if Pres. Trump, or anyone, needs to have 'some people agree with me' to validate their statements, they aren't really thinking for themselves.

  • Ms.W South Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    T-Money, why should Herbert listen to liberal leadership in those countries who call their own citizens 'racist' if they disagree or criticize liberal immigration policies? If anything, those countries are a blue print of what America is not to be.

  • Sense&Sensibility Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    Our president is not trying to make us safer. He engaged Russia in his 1st presidential bid, inviting them @ a rally to find Hillary Clinton’s missing Emails & later that day, they began their work in his behalf. He recently said in an interview he’d accept info. re: opponents from them again in his current campaign.

    The new low level his supporters have sunk to during his recent N. Carolina rally is in this quote from another DN Article:

    “Omar came under the harshest criticism as Trump played to voters' grievances, drawing a chant from the crowd of ‘Send her back! Send her back’!”

    We’re at a dangerous place again because of his reckless words, that this time, as in previous times, he will incite those who hate to act. Omar is already receiving death threats. The broader Muslim community is concerned about reprisals targeted at them.

    Sadly, one astute political science graduate told me this is his version of ‘Lock her up!’ for round 2 in his election bid. His base is playing right into his hands & make no mistake, this is extremely dangerous not only for Omar, but for our country as well.

    July 18, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    "lock her up" and "send her back" , America's home grown "Sieg Heil".

    Makes ya proud, doesn't it?

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 10:01 a.m.

    These four congresspeople in question have said vile and vulgar things, and even lied about some instances that make it clear that they want to see things happen that are not in the best interests of this country or its citizens. The majority leadership in the House fails to stand up to them. The rank and file members of the House also fail to standup. Who else is in the best position to call them down other our president? The president may not do it in the most politically correct way or in carefully chosen words, but everybody understands what he means, and, I think, most Americans agree with him.

  • eldonp Parowan, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    Sure, both sides should turn it down. The problem with "bothsidesism" is that it rests on false equivalencies.

    Just imagine if one of the Democratic candidates held a rally and said, "Donald Trump... I agree, even the name is funny. Ha, ha, ha. You know, Donald Trump hates this country. He does things that are deeply un-American. He's a bully. He just doesn't like brown people--listen to what he says, and does. You know what else, he's loves white nationalists and he holds Nazi views. He does. Oh, I agree, we ought to send him back to where he came from. What's the name of it, Deutschland? Deutschland--that's a mouthful. You know what else? ALL Republicans are just the same as Trump. They're racists, and bullies, and Nazis. They are, and we just can't let that happen."

    Even if a candidate said such nonsense, it still wouldn't equate with what a president says. It's called the bully pulpit for a reason. A president speaks for all Americans, or at least, that's what a president used to do.

  • RichmondUT ,
    July 18, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    These radical democrats have certainly questioned and disparaged President Trump’s character, loyalties, motivations, connections, competence, etc. But when he does the same to them suddenly it is “racism”. I don’t like the double standard. These people should answer his criticism frankly and not hide behind such hyperbole.

  • reriding Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    People have been fired for saying things to their colleagues similar to what the president said. Federal law recognizes "go back where you came from" to be discrimination and workplace harassment, whether said by co-workers or supervisors. This is not a case where both sides are guilty.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:21 a.m.

    Yes, both the Democratic and Republican standard bearers would much prefer a sweet sounding voice over standing against Socialism. Which is more evil, Socialism or someone who tweets something negative about those who hate America? So, those who are not wanting to defend against Socialism basically sit back and see through the 'fake news' cycle supporting Trump's policies and are glad that those who hate America are being unmasked, even if it sounds negative. It certainly wasn't racist, but the news standard bearers will want to delude us into thinking so.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:21 a.m.

    Here we go. Another republican blaming the minority when it was trump who said yet one more awful thing.
    How on earth does Herbert put blame on both sides? Seriously, how does this happen unless the entire GOP is circling the drain, leaving decency behind?

  • Flipphone , 00
    July 18, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    quackquack - Park City, UT
    So it is OK with you that 40%, of all legals in LA country(,10.3 million ) are only paying sales taxes?

  • cpafred Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    Here’s how Democrats handled inappropriate comments made by one of their own:

    The House approved a resolution Thursday to condemn "anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, racism and other forms of bigotry" in a move that Democrats hope will quell the latest uproar over Rep. Ilhan Omar's criticism of Israel.

    The vote on the measure was 407-23. The 23 opposed were all Republican lawmakers.
    (March 2019)

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    Who made Governor Herbert judge and jury? My opinion has equal value, and I prefer pro-American over anti-American, anti-Israel, and anti-life any day (and every day).

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 9:04 a.m.

    "At least Trump is trying to make us safer."
    Oh? How so? Trump's game plan from Day 1 has been to divide us all into two camps -- those who support him and those who don't. Since when does such divisiveness "make us safer"?? Did it make the country safer before and during the Civil War? Did it make the country safer during the McCarthy or Vietnam eras? I don't think so.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    July 18, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES has no business telling US citizens to "go back from where they came from."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    Both sides are guilty of racism?

    A white mob at a Trump rally yesterday was telling him to send a black American women who is a refugee from a war torn country back because of her politics.

    No sir, racism has taken over the GOP at the roots.

  • T-money$$$ Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    Herbert needs to take a look at what the leaders of other countries - including the Prime Ministers of Australia, England, Canada and New Zealand - have to say about Trump's racist remarks.

    That is what REAL leadership looks like. Take a stand for what's right at all times Governor, not just when it's convenient for your party.

  • OldMain Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    As far as Trump being a racist, I think people have become desensitized to the word. The left also insinuated that Reagan, both Bush's, Romney and even McCain racists. They have been calling Republicans racists for years. People have quit listening. So when Trump makes what is clearly a racially charged comment, people don't care. The left will call the right racist no matter who heads the party.

    At least two of the congresswomen have made openly anti-Semitic comments, multiple times. All four are race-baiters. What we have today is a result of many years of false claims of racism. Words matter.

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    So this is the "new normal" for the Republican Party. The good Governor may have well quoted Mr. Trump after the Charlottesville Riots, good people on many sides many sides.

    Time magazine yesterday had an interesting article about the republican party "Republicans Want a White Republic. They'll Destroy America to Get It" and sadly from the response I've seen from our Republican Governor as well as our Republican delegation to congress. I believe this to be more true now that ever. Sen Lindsay Graham is quoted in the article saying in 2012, “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

    So is this truly what we have become? We are willing to ignore the racism, misogyny, and xenophobia coming out of the White House because he hates the same people we do?

    I thought even here in Utah we'd moved past the "Well if you don't like it, Leave."

  • Lia , 00
    July 18, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    I think he means both sides of trump's mouth...

  • cpafred Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    “1. 40% of all workers in LA County (10.2 million people) are working for cash; and not paying taxes This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.”

    Totally false
    This is a fable that has been around (and fact checked since at least 2009).
    No such information ever appeared in the LA Times and the numbers are utterly false.

  • Read2Learn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:43 a.m.

    This is a cheesy cop-out. President Trump's conduct is racist and any real leader should have the gumption to stand up and say so. Spineless.

  • delasalle Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:42 a.m.

    You can only make so many racist comments before it becomes clear that you are a racist. I might actually give Trump the benefit of the doubt if this were his first or second instance of this type of rhetoric. But it's not. We are what we repeatedly say and he repeatedly makes comments that indicate deep seated racism.

    Any person of color, along with decent white people, should be concerned by the race litmus test that Trump is resurrecting when it comes to being an American.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    July 18, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    Both sides are not guilty. This "bothsidesism" is a red herring in this case. These congresswomen have the right to speak their minds and their constituencies are the ones who will decide if it's too much. Trump telling people who disagree with him to leave the country is not okay.

  • cpafred Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    On its website, the federal agency, which enforces the government's employment discrimination laws, the EEOC—states that "ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities."

    "Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, 'Go back to where you came from,' whether made by supervisors or by co-workers," it adds.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    @vern001 - Castle Rock, CO

    Completely disagree! Name one thing that the "big 4" have done that is "decent and right"

    Please do some more research.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    Trump is being used so traditional Republicans can get what they've longed for. Lower taxes, less regulations, right wing-activist judges, etc. There will come a time when they'll cut their losses with Trump but that won't be until the people or the law have removed him from office.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    Party before country.

  • IcemanCometh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    More than once on these message boards when a person notes Utah's peculiarities the response has been along the lines of what Trump has said. It is offensive. The only reason in Utah it would not be considered racist is because the Utah population is predominantly caucasian. However, it does show the same intolerance and is basically religious xenophobia.

  • StevePhilly Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    @ ERB. Is Trump really making us safer? Armed Forces enlistment is down two straight years, mostly because of lower numbers of non-white enlistees. (Our armed forces are 40% non-white.) So our military isn’t making us safer.

    Foreign recruitment in high tech industries (which require highly skilled individuals and often rely on foreign born workers) is down significantly. Those workers are choosing to go elsewhere and compete against us. So our industry and economy are suffering under Trump’s nationalist agenda. I hope he’s not around after 2020 to keep ‘making us safer.’

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    @ SLC Grandma - Thank you for being a voice that speaks the facts of the case. It is evident that the label "racist" has been again used as a classic strawman argument calculated to inflame opposition. The real racism is in the minds of those who use the label "racist" to manipulate public sentiment in support of their agenda. Consider this statement by Congresswoman Pressley : “We don’t need anymore brown faces that don’t want to be a brown voice.” Representative Omar's anti-Semitism - ("It's the Benjamins, baby") concerning her caricature alleging Jews buy votes with money. These two statements are aimed at being racially divisive to further a political agenda. The first statement to bully a segment of the population into being cooperative with an agenda; no individual dissent allowed.

  • StevePhilly Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    @ SLC Grandma. Forgive me for contradicting a grandma (it seems disrespectful), but I can’t agree with your assessment of Trump’s full statement. Do you really think that Trump meant that the world would be a better place if they went back where they came from, confronted those evil, and then come back to teach HIM what they had learned? Everything you know about our president should have told you that statement was dripping with sarcasm! He would never admit to learning from them. Reading between the lines has never been so easy!

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    This is Herbert's equivalent to Glorious Leader's quote of "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

    Thank the stars I never voted for Herbert.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:05 a.m.

    100% right. Both sides need to dial back the hysterical rhetoric. Sadly neither will and this banana republic theater is all we're going to get for years to come. Trump will win and we'll see it ratchet up even more.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    July 18, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    Flipphone - , 00

    "1. 40% of all workers in LA County (10.2 million people) are working for cash; and not paying taxes"

    Please explain how you buy goods like food, clothing and electronics with out paying taxes ?
    Think about it these people are working building and doing jobs you would even dare to do.
    Please do us a favor and go in field picking fruit, or on a Dairy farm shoveling manure because if it weren't for cheap labor we' be paying 10 dollars for a gallon of milk 25 dollars for a watermelon

  • bill4570 ,
    July 18, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    It seems that it's impossible for some reason for our elected officials to stop lowering themselves to try to 'justify' (for lack of a better term) those really offensive and out of line remarks the pres made the other day.

    Again, I'll say----
    We do not have an adult in the white house and it seems that not too many of our representatives want to tell that playground bully that he is out of line with his remarks.

    Very few want to stand up to him when he is wrong.

    That's scary.

    We cannot allow ourselves to fall to his level. Too many important issues are before us to resort to name calling and delivering cheap shots across party lines.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 18, 2019 7:51 a.m.

    SLC Grandma said: "I have seen very few quotes of the President's full statement..few care to give fair coverage to his actual statement in which he suggests they .go back to their own countries AND help those countries fight the evils within. Makes a difference to me to hear his statement in full on the subject, rather than having those cherry-picked words stand alone, out of context.

    How so, these Women Are American one is a legal immigrant, America is their country, even in full context it doesn't sound any better unless you assume people of pigmentation aren't real Americans, and therefore shouldn't be allowed the same free speech as the president?

  • Teasdaletoad Teasdale, UT
    July 18, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    Oh puhleez, Governor. This was racism pure and simple.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 18, 2019 7:45 a.m.

    And now both sides are inciting their audience with the chant "send her back" "send her back" "send her back".

    Just kidding, it's the same instigator as usual, but sure governor it's both side, right.

    That's alright McConnel couldn't even stick up for his wife.
    When a reporter asked what he would think if Trump had said his wife should go back to the country she's from, he replied his wife was a legal immigrant, what kind of answer is that?

    Just like the lie about good people on both sides of the racist torch rally in Charlottesville?

    Why are people so afraid to call out bad behavior by this charlatan president?

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 18, 2019 7:31 a.m.

    Trump is promoting racism and his Supporters are falling in line.

    "Send her back!", chant at Trump's rally is beyond disgusting.

    This is not my father's Republican party!

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 7:31 a.m.


    Your president and your party have allowed that cancer in the white house to exist and metastasize.....

  • mohokat , 00
    July 18, 2019 7:30 a.m.

    "The word Racism is like Ketchup. It can be put on practically anything
    And demanding evidence makes you a racist."

    Worn out, over used , doesn't mean anything anymore word.

    Minority stubs toe on chair. Racist chair!

    Good for Trump!

    Trump Si, Herbert no!

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 18, 2019 7:24 a.m.

    This is cowardice in leadership, plain and simple. Those who use the time tested third grade "I'm rubber--you're glue--anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you" line of reasoning has to own that it isn't a very strong defense, but that's what you are left with when Donald Trump is your guy.

    Quite simply--MAGA meant that America was NOT great and that she needed to be returned to greatness. That has not happened under Trump and these brave American women (who are certainly NOT afraid of Donald Trump) say so loud and clear. They are in effect, saying the same thing that Trump voters were saying when they supported him. So, when they say it about the country as it is under him, they are being un-American, but when you don a red had and cheer the President tell people who don't agree with him that they should leave the country--you are being a patriot? Folks--if you are supporting racism and the best you can come up with is--"I know you are, but what am I?"---you've lost already. And you will own that stance for the rest of your lives. Hatred and division will not win. Racism dies slow deaths--but it does die in the end.

  • The Dark Knight Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    This is a weak and cowardly statement from the Governor. Wrong is wrong, and when you can't admit something a member of your party has done is wrong without deflecting blame to the victim, you are not fit to lead.

  • NobodySpecial Alpharetta, GA
    July 18, 2019 6:56 a.m.

    There is one actual self-identified socialist in Congress. Which by Trump's definition, makes Sanders "un-American".

    So why didn't Trump tell Bernie Sanders to (nonsensically) go back to the country where he came from?

    Bernie Sanders is white.

    This isn't about anything these women have said, it's about their ethnicity. Let's be honest.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    July 18, 2019 6:45 a.m.

    No Herbert, both sides are NOT guilty. Not even in the GOP's wildest dreams.

    This false equivalency that you are espousing is not correct. There is no "both sides" here.

    Trump says what he says, and now even Herbert is defending this?

    It is not the same, and both sides are NOT to blame Governor. Not by a long shot. This was Trump's doing. His attacks against these Americans is wrong. That should be decried by both sides.

    And yes Deseret News this counter to Herbert's statements are all correct and factual.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 6:10 a.m.

    Incorrect. Donald Trump is EXACTLY right. Again. My hat's off to our president. Keeps up the good work in the face of the angry mobs who stand to lose a welfare check. Great job Mr. President, and thank you.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 18, 2019 5:43 a.m.

    In consideration of so many comments supporting the governors' trumpesque deflection on this, and the remarks of trump himself, I should imagine the 'go back where you came from' argument should have full validity when someone gets in your face with their religion. This sentiment deserves consideration because these, after all, are the words of our president and they are well supported here.

  • Matttty Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 18, 2019 5:42 a.m.

    Finally someone who is willing to admit that both sides are guilty. In our country today it seems that there is no tolerance for anyone or any opinion unless it totally agrees with what the popular opinion of the day is . When my beliefs differ with the prevailing beliefs of the country then I am shunned or persecuted in some manner. We need to return to devotion to a supreme being and allow others to believe how they want. Truly we do need to be more tolerant of each other.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    July 18, 2019 5:02 a.m.

    Thank you, Gov. Chamberlain. So very helpful.

  • SLC Grandma Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 4:29 a.m.

    I have seen very few quotes of the President's full statement..few care to give fair coverage to his actual statement in which he suggests they .go back to their own countries AND help those countries fight the evils within. Makes a difference to me to hear his statement in full on the subject, rather than having those cherry-picked words stand alone, out of context.

  • matman Provo, UT
    July 18, 2019 2:27 a.m.

    I stand with the President. If you don't like it here, it's simple..move.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    July 18, 2019 12:21 a.m.

    This is absurd. Nearly 100% of the public comments - including Herbert’s - agree that Trump’s tweets were inappropriate. Yet something like half of us (including Herbert) essentially say, “yes, inappropriate......but we’re not going to condemn it.” - I don’t know how you can square that one.

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2019 12:12 a.m.

    When someone tells four women of color to “go back to where you came from,” the racism is pretty blatant. Who is the governor trying to kid?

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    July 17, 2019 11:10 p.m.

    No Governor, Trump is only responding. No one made the so called “squad of 4” attack Americans, calling those born here unpatriotic, no one told them to call us Nazi’s, or accuse us of running concentration camps.

    When, Governor, when will you decry the vicious verbal attacks of the left, hum, silence!

    Only Trump has the strength to respond to the 24/7 attacks of the MSM, 96% negative from the so called balanced alphabet soup news stations. Or the 24/7 attacks from liberals and RINO’s alike.

    Rush Limbaugh summed it up nicely, what we are hearing from the MSM and the left right now is the sound of the SWAMP drowning! I voted for Trump in 2016, and nothing you say can do or will stop me from voting Trump in 2020.

  • ronnie Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2019 11:00 p.m.

    "I think we should have a call for civility and both sides are guilty," Herbert said after being asked whether Trump's statements merited the call for civility the governor issued last week following an out-of-control protest over the inland port.

    "What I said stands and I think that goes for everybody,"

    That is a very poor response by the governor. Does he realize that in counties where Trump has campaign events hate crimes have risen, because of his statements and his failure to show civility. Where is his leadership.

    It appears that Trump cares little about uniting the country but see a political advantage in fueling a greater divide.

  • Frozen Fractals Paducah, KY
    July 17, 2019 10:30 p.m.

    "So, we can never criticize nonwhite people now, because you will always be accused of racism, even if race has absolutely nothing to do with your criticisms."

    There is nothing racist about saying "if you don't like things here, maybe you should find another country that you agree with more". It's offensive and totally debases the presidency, but it's not racist.

    Telling people to go back to the country they came from is anti-immigrant (pointed at Omar) and racist (when pointed at the three minority Congresswomen who were born in the United States and thus the country they are from is this one).

    There's been no shortage of people explaining this time and time again this week.

  • Rockyrd Gilbert, AZ
    July 17, 2019 10:29 p.m.

    Herbert is right, neither side of the political spectrum is without error. However, the President of the United States should be THE example of what is right and good about our country, not the one who is most reprehensible. I am tired of the stupid things Trump says and the Republicans staying silent about him. I only hope someone with backbone and values will lead our country in a year and a half, although I don't know who that would be. I am ready for a return to decency.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2019 10:12 p.m.

    I cannot think of anything less patriotic and more un-American then to insist that anyone not use their freedom of speech to participate in our democratic system of government or leave. No where in our founding documents does it mention capitalism or socialism however they do talk about freedom of speech and more importantly a representative government. Insisting that these duly elected representatives not represent those that elected them flies in the face of our founding documents and is as un-American as you can get.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2019 9:58 p.m.

    So Herbert, Lee, Curtis, Lee, and Stewart play “everyone is at fault” game over the president’s racist tweets.

    Are they suggesting that those of us with grandchildren from Africa and Central America should just listen to the President of the United States tell them to “go home.” Good luck to our missionaries serving in the countries he hates.w

    We have a very dangerous President in the White House, and if you don’t see it, you men are not representing your voters very well.


  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2019 9:51 p.m.

    So, we can never criticize nonwhite people now, because you will always be accused of racism, even if race has absolutely nothing to do with your criticisms.

    That is exactly what the Left wants.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    July 17, 2019 9:36 p.m.

    Just look at the vileness coming from the left, the things those 4 have said. Trump has a backbone and is standing up to them.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 17, 2019 9:24 p.m.

    "Both sides are guilty"?

    Only if he means the left side of Trump and the right side of Trump.

  • EPoint Roy, UT
    July 17, 2019 9:21 p.m.

    The President's telling the Congresswomen to go back to where they came from was not racist but a political comment on the socialist agendas they promote. To call it racist is to incite divisiveness and change the subject of the discussion.

    How many times have I heard Utah people comment that if people move here to live, they should accept it or go back to the state or place they came from. Very similar to what the President said. Another phrase is often used, "love it or leave it."

    Odd how progressives attack the very structure and constitution that make it possible for them to enjoy the freedoms they have. Another phrase comes to mind, "biting the hand that feeds you." Not smart, shows a lack of perspective and understanding.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 17, 2019 9:17 p.m.

    Does Trump say things that Republicans wish he didn’t? Yes. Does the other party say things that are just as bad or worse? Of course. At least Trump is trying to make us safer. I can’t say that about the other side.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    July 17, 2019 9:09 p.m.

    This is definitely a both sides are guilty of saying unwise and unflattering comments. At least the governor is recognizing that. It also needs to be recognized that the comments the president made were not racist, that word that is being so over-used. As to the "squad," they are not well informed about constitutional values, or else they reject them. That is worse than scary.

    To take this from a personal viewpoint, I have a close associate with an abrasive personality. He often says offensive things, which are usually true (but not politically correct). He can be pushy and domineering as well. But guess what; when there is some unpleasant job to be, or something requiring "jack of all trades" skills, he is the one to do it. He sees things that need to be done, and does them. Yes, he has aggravated others with his bluntness, and he has rescued them in time of need. I see the president in the same light.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2019 9:04 p.m.

    Both sides? So people who won’t stand for awful racism are to blame? What on earth has happened to the GOP?
    Absolutely shameful gov Herbert.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    July 17, 2019 8:28 p.m.

    Oh, the old "Trump is bad but so are other people" defense.

  • kmike las vegas, NV
    July 17, 2019 8:21 p.m.

    I must disagree with the Governor this is NOT a both sides Issue, we have "accepted" the most strange things coming from this President. In past years just one of these would have spurred debate the world over.
    But just when you hear something that you take a double take, He says something else and you forget about the first thing, this has been going on since before he was Elected.
    Again we are accepting these Comments, but why?
    His own party for the most part is going along with them. and the scary part is They are not Openly Condeming these comments. Which means they are accepting, which as an elected official makes you front and center to the country and most Important to the People who voted for you.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2019 8:03 p.m.

    “Respect differences of opinion,"
    Sorry but no we should not respect racist comments and speaking out against it does not make this a “both sides” issue. It really is alright to just call wrong wrong rather then try the “both sides” argument, which by the way is the very definition of morally relativistic reasoning.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    July 17, 2019 7:40 p.m.

    This is most definitely not a "both sides are guilty" issue. Trump was the one to start this with offensive tweets telling American congresswomen to "go back where they came from." It's time to lay the blame with the person who started it all: the president. And I find it beyond sad that today's Republicans mostly lack the courage to stand up for what is decent and right. We can disagree with each other on policies, but to attack someone's patriotism like this is beyond the pale.