With or without threatened ICE raids, undocumented immigrants live with fear in Utah

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  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    July 27, 2019 4:11 a.m.

    @jim I

    "Undocumented" is, of course, a EUPHEMISM. Used by the DN and most liberals (if not all) to minimize the fact that the law is being broken.

    Could we just tell the unvarnished truth for a change?

    And this should be a most serious law. It is much, much more than just breaking the speed limit.

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    July 19, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    I love Hispanics. I am married to one. I have hundreds of Latin friends. I want them here in Utah. And I have personally helped many.

    But let them come here legally. DN should stop promoting one side of the story about illegals vs legals.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    July 16, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    2bit-
    “The people are no different. Only the laws are. This isn't 1847, it's 2019.”

    Apply this mantra/logic regarding assault rifles. You’re re welcome.

  • cd84121 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2019 12:50 p.m.

    I know how they feel. I live in fear and look over my shoulder everytime I speed, or can't get through a yellow light before it turns red. The shoplifter is always worried about being caught when they leave a store with something shoved into their coat pocket. People who break the law, regardless of how serious the infraction, is always living in fear and watching over their shoulder. You can ease that fear and concern by not breaking the law in the first place.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    July 16, 2019 11:55 a.m.

    "She and her husband are undocumented immigrants from Mexico, who are raising four children who are U.S. citizens." My problem is that while legally true, this should NOT be the law of our land or our policy. In order to be a citizen of this nation (really any nation) one of your parents should be a citizen; that is, citizenship should not be gained simply by being born on a nations soil.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    July 16, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    Are we to feel sorry for those that break the law?

    Living in the shadows avoiding law enforcement, not being able to take full advantage of being a citizen is a like having a self inflicted wound and pooring salt in it every day.

    Advocates for illegal immigration have no idea what the are promoting, illegal immigrants are often forced to get false I.D., fraudulant social security numbers in order to obtain financing for housing, or transportation...etc, which again makes them criminal.

    Going thru the legal process to be in the country legally is always the better path, it is the legal path. It is far more immoral to encourage breaking the law than claiming immorality for not accepting illegal immigrants who are just seeking a better life, putting people in a situation where they have to live in fear everyday because they know they are hear ilegally.

    Forcing them to live in the shadows in hopes you can garner their votes by providing sanctuary cities and and refusing to enforce the very laws you took an oath to protect is perhaps the biggest immorality of this whole mess.

    Those who vote left must be in a real canundrum rationalizing right from wrong in this matter.

  • jo1952 Redmond, WA
    July 16, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    My father was a carpenter. He made good money with his trade and it was an honorable occupation. Illegal immigrants have taken all of those jobs and degraded the pay to less than minimum wage. We need to stop the hiring of Illegal Immigrants.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    July 16, 2019 8:01 a.m.

    Living in fear is a consequence you decided to undertake when you crossed the border illegally you knew its illegal to come here without papers you knew the risks.

    I get it you came here to better your life but in order to better your life you dont rob a bank to do it right....

    Like many criminals do just turn yourself in or return to your country of origin. Then you wont have to live in fear.

  • mrjj69 Bountiful, UT
    July 15, 2019 8:52 p.m.

    I do not live in fear in utah. I obey all laws, and appear at all court hearings.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 15, 2019 4:04 p.m.

    Another pro-illegal immigration propaganda piece by the Deseret News. Do you mind if I give simple counsel? Don't break laws, and you'll have no fear of being tried for violating them. Further, if you want to destroy America, then open the borders and let anyone in. No filtering them for disease or criminal history. And that's what this is all about anyway. Create mass dependancy, then disarm the populace.

  • Helicopter Rides Springville, UT
    July 15, 2019 3:55 p.m.

    This article was the propaganda-iest puff piece that ever propaganda-ed. If it was any more propagandized, we'd be reading Pravda.

    Hard life or no, these people are here illegally, draining resources and cheapening the acheivements of every immigrant who went through the process and did it legally. We have enough domestic issues we need to take care of here as it is. It's insane that there are so many homeless American citizens and it's a genuine crime against our society that illegals are given priority.

    America is not the world's charity dumpster bin. Even if we wanted to offer everything with open arms to the third world, that kind of pathological altruism is completely unsustainable.

    All of the hippy-dippy, shallow calls for LDS people to act like Jesus with "compassion" fundamentally misunderstand Jesus' life and teachings. Jesus would advocate for compassion and kindness, yes, but He would never advocate for compassion at the expense of ones' self and ones' society. Jesus was loving, but he wasn't a communist hippy.

    You wanna immigrate here? Great! Do it the right way. Spend some time in uniform if you want to expedite the process.

  • Rcraigjohn ,
    July 15, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    Yea, well guess what. I live in fear too. Fear of the druggies and violent gangs that have come in illegally. Fear of losing my job to a low paid person. Fear of not having money for retirement as I'm taxed to death to pay for your benefits -- free medical care, free legal services, etc. etc. And, fear of losing my country because one political party no longer cares about the rule of law. You fear because you broke the law. Criminals should fear. Honest citizens should not.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    thatoneguy22
    RE: "Seems like everyone in 2019 is purposely forgetting our country and this state particularly were "settled" by immigrants just moving in without permission and simply squatting"...
    ---
    This bogus logic has been tried and failed before. Things are way different now. Things have changed in the past 150 years. This area wasn't even part of the United States back then. The immigration laws were way different.

    It's bogus to compare the two.

    ===

    RE: "You may hate the current immigrants, but you are certainly no better then they are"...
    ---
    So many Assumptions going on in your comment.

    #1. Nobody said they hate the current immigrants. That's your Assumption.

    #2. Nobody said we are better than they are. If you can show us someone saying that...

    It's just different today. It wasn't illegal to homestead in this area back in 1847. It wasn't even part of the USA. The laws were different in this area particularly and the whole USA back in 1847. It's not even apples-to-oranges. The laws today are way different.

    The people are no different. Only the laws are. This isn't 1847, it's 2019.

    Sorry but that bogus comparison doesn't work.

  • dkm123 Provo, UT
    July 15, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    This woman's story is like so many I have heard. It is the biggest reason why I support increased immigration enforcement. These people are at the mercy of coyotes and others who take advantage of them because of their immigration status. We need to make it much easier for more people to get in legally and much, much harder for people to get in illegally.

    They think life will be better here, but it won't be unless they can do it legally. And they need to be ready to become Americans who speak English and become a part of the community. Only then will they feel like this is home and they won't be taken advantage of by other immigrants.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    July 15, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    What is the difference between undocumented and illegal aliens? Nothing. They broke the law, Why does the media and the democrats choose to use the term undocumented? Is this just to soften our thoughts? They need to obey the law.

  • wrj SANDY, UT
    July 15, 2019 1:55 p.m.

    It points out she’s a person of faith. Most faiths preach to obey the laws of the land. It’s only human nature to feel sorry for people that are having problems. But I think it’s on her shoulder to solve these problems and do what is right. Either go back to her country, or take the step she needs to take to become legal. I welcome legal entrance into our country.

  • stratman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2019 1:51 p.m.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't have sympathy or respect for people who knowingly break the laws. It is no different from someone who robs a bank or steals a car or anything that creates a fear of getting caught. These people are in violation of the laws, The issue of immigration and these woe is me stories are completely irrelevant. Do Immigration laws need to be changed. Yes. Should those who broke the law be given absolute amnesty? Not in my book. Should we pass laws that expedite our immigration laws? Probably. Should we ignore those who broke those laws, continue to knowingly break those laws? Absolutely not! The two issues are not mutually exclusive. go back, re-apply and hope the US can provide a quicker path to citizenship, if not, too bad, go to another country and deal with them instead, we do not owe you anything and you have shown your complete disregard for our current laws and processes by blatantly ignoring them, doesn't sound like the kind or person we want, someone who breaks laws to serve their own purposes and shame on those who are willingly to overlook these facts!

  • thatoneguy22 Midvale, UT
    July 15, 2019 1:16 p.m.

    Seems like everyone in 2019 is purposely forgetting our country and this state particularly were "settled" by immigrants just moving in without permission and simply squatting. Mormons should be particularly aware of what it feels like to not be wanted. But I guess Mormons like to give those past Mormons a pass for fleeing to "Mexico", taking land, and then even killing to defend "their" land. When you take a step back from artificial boarders, you might just see we are all the same. You may hate the current immigrants, but you are certainly no better then they are. So much hypocrisy.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    July 15, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    Meanwhile, a leftist Democrat, a Willem Van Spronsen, in Tacoma, Washington, attacked an ICE facility with a rifle and Molotov cocktails. The cops shot and killed him while he was trying to set off a propane tank to kill people.

    Not a word of condemnation, naturally, from our leftists. Lots of praise from Antifa, though... leftist group extraordinary. Nor do our leftists condemn the protestors who tore down a US Flag and raised a Mexican one over an ICE facility.

    Illegal immigrants live in fear, but why? Our Democrat "betters" (spit) are completely on their side. The leftists here much prefer illegals over Americans. The left wants to give illegals everything, paid for by the US taxpayer. The left wants to let the illegals commit crimes against Americans without fear of any punishment.

    In olden days, when a nation was conquered, the invaders lived off the sweat and effort of the new slaves, and it was not a crime to rob, plunder, murder, steal, rape, etc.

    Our leftists want to reenact that: they propose that American citizens should be conquered and enslaved by an invading army, who will live off our effort and be able to do whatever they want to us without recourse.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    Some people think their stress would go away if they just went back to the country they are citizens of...

    That's really not an option for some of them.

    Some of them (many of them) still have a wife and kids and a home in their home country they are sending money too each month. These people could be deported no problem IMO. They just go home.

    Some sold everything when they left. If they went home... they would be homeless, jobless, and destitute (ripe for being picked up by one of the drug gangs and forced to carry backpacks full of drugs across the border to safe-houses on the other side of the border at night as many times as they can before getting caught).

    Going home is not a real option. They have nothing there. No legal way of supporting themselves. And these people are not highly skilled workers. So their chances of getting a legal job there are practically zero.

    So they are kinda forced to try to stay here illegally... or go home and live a life of poverty and crime there. Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place now.

    I don't blame them for living in fear. That would make me very anxious. But it's a result of their own decisions, not mine.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    When the first big caravan of the Trump-era was nearing the border (during the squabble with Congress over funding border security in the budget, and Nancy Pelosi's hissy-fit over Trump calling it an "Emergency")... there were lots of pictures of people in the caravan in the news. There were all types. Not all young men, but mostly young working age men. But there were women too.

    I noticed a picture of a very pregnant woman in the caravan. Think she doesn't know if she givers birth on the US side of the border her baby is a US Citizen and the parent of a US citizen baby can't be deported?

    There was also an elderly lady who couldn't walk. Several men had to carry her on a stretcher. How is she going to live when she gets here? She can't work. She can't even walk. She will probably go directly to a hospital or rehab facility the day she gets here. How will she pay for her medical bills? How will she pay rent? How will she buy food? How will she fund her retirement here? She's way beyond working age already and has zero retirement savings and doesn't qualify for Social Security. How will she survive?

  • PCSk8r Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2019 11:43 a.m.

    I think the anxiety would go away if people went through proper channels to become a citizen. We have to be a nation of laws - not just the laws we ‘like’.

  • CommonSensePerson , 00
    July 15, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    T-money$$$, Trump will still be in the white house Jan 1 2021. I agree with you to a point that those who were brought here as little kids should have a pathway to become a citizen but it needs to include sacrifice to the country in the way of serving in the military or becoming a specific needed employee like police, fire, teacher, doctor. The adults who chose to break the law need to be deported and they can apply for re-entry. Finally, the US needs to close the loophole that gives US citizenship to anyone born on US soil. Children should receive the nationality of their parents regardless of where they are born.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    RE: "With or without threatened ICE raids, undocumented immigrants live with fear in Utah"...
    ---
    With or without ICE raids, if you are living in the United States and the United States courts have issued a "Final Deportation Order" in your case, and you decided not to obey that order and instead are hiding in the United States illegally... then you probably should live in fear of ICE.

    You have a final deportation order! If you don't leave... you are here illegally, regardless of your excuses.

    If you don't have a FDO... then you have nothing to fear from these ICE Raids.

    Why can't people get that through their heads?

    If you Don't have a final deportation order... these ICE raids are not looking for you. They are not just looking for anybody who doesn't look "American".

    This pretense in the letter, that they are deporting anybody who doesn't look American... is malarkey. Pure malarkey. And most people know that.

  • T-money$$$ Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2019 9:35 a.m.

    If they have a clean criminal record and can prove they can hold a steady job, these immigrants should be placed on the fast-track to citizenship.

    Note that "fast" should mean within a year. Not decades of waiting and red tape like how the current system is set up.

    Simplifying our immigration system, giving anyone with a clean record a short and simple path to citizenship, and vowing to undue the damage Trump has done by vilifying immigrants should be a priority for whoever enters the White House in January 2021.

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 15, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    @cityboy

    I suggest you brush up on immigration laws, and illegal border crossing. You are right that the FIRST attempted illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. But it also comes with fines, and potentially a 6 month imprisonment. I highly doubt that someone is going to jail for spitting on the sidewalk, a misdemeanor you name in Arizona. I do however think that it is important that you know, that a second violation of crossing the boarder illegally is a felony. Punishments go all the way up to 20 years in prison. It is important to know the criminal aspects of the law, and not just the civil.

    So to equate a misdemeanor of spitting on the sidewalk, throwing snowballs or frisbee golf. You may want to understand the laws you are advocating against. By law, these people are criminals. You can not put it any other way. Commit the crime, do the time. And I think the US government is being very gracious in just shipping them back across the border at our expense, rather than imprisonment, also at our expense. So crying over immigrant law breakers, or detainment. It is all withing the law. Immigrants way back when, were documented when getting off the boat.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    July 15, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    Simple dont illegally cross the border and setup shop in a different country and you dont have to live in fear. The process to legally migrate might be long but once completed you dont have to worry about the police. Its simple logic dont commit a crime and you wont live in fear.

    All this is, is entitlement for some odd reason you people think you'll commit a crime and everything will be OK ??? No theirs consequences for your actions, try to swim across a high flowing river and you might drown, cross a Deseret in 100+ degree weather and you might die from heat exhaustion, these are simple terms. If I were to rob a bank I live with the "fear" of being caught and sent to prison. I know this and thus I dont rob banks

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 15, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    @cityboy

    God also says. "Thou shall not bear false witness." Which is what these people are doing to cross, live, work, stay are doing.

    However, to suggest that other laws are appendages to loving God and your neighbor. That is to suggest that you may also think that you can dictate God's law. Authority was established from the very beginning. And was not ignored when Christ walked the earth. So for those who wish to bring scripture, and God, and anything else into this debate. You are forgetting what was established, learned and followed from the very beginning with leaders, etc. Oh yeah, that we have been asked to follow.

    Next.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    July 15, 2019 8:12 a.m.

    @momsaid,
    “Coming here illegally is a crime.”

    Sneaking into the country without documentation is a misdemeanor similar to jaywalking, speeding or some other misdemeanors in other states, e.g:
    Arizona: no public spitting on the sidewalk
    Delaware: no exceeding the allowable trick-or-treating hours
    Colorado: no catapulting
    Illinois: no “fancy” bike riding
    Iowa: no fake butter
    Kansas: no throwing snowballs
    Massachusetts: no dancing to the national anthem
    Minnesota: no pig greasing
    Montana: no illicit frisbee golf
    New Hampshire: no impersonating an auctioneer

    I suggest a reasoned approach to the immigration problem, including: shoring up the economies in the countries that are contributing to the problem so their citizens don’t feel driven to flee; providing green cards to non-criminals who are working and contributing to society; creating a pathway to citizenship for the Dreamers; instituting a universal e-verify system for employers; and reasonable enforcement. Further, the 1 to 3 year wait in processing backlogged applications must be significantly reduced.

    Throwing out all of the undocumented residents of our country would result in a national economic disaster.

  • Aussie Teacher WESTON, VT
    July 15, 2019 7:28 a.m.

    If the Mormons had obeyed the laws of their land, then they wouldn't have had to become illegal aliens in Mexico. Just think of the way that Utah was settled by illegal, undocumented aliens.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    July 15, 2019 6:41 a.m.

    @JaneB: " the dairy business would cease to exist if not for undocumented workers. They comprise over 90% of workers. Punish these business owners, and you've shut down dairy products in America. "

    The same was once said to justify keeping an underclass to support the cotton industry.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:49 p.m.

    In the specific case of the current ICE enforcement actions, the targets are not even "undocumented". They are well-documented. They all have legally binding deportation order documents issued by a judge.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:48 p.m.

    Let's use some basic math here. When there is an abundance of unskilled labor, you don't need to pay a lot to get it. High numbers of unskilled workers + scarcity of jobs = high unskilled unemployment. Higher numbers of Third World Immigration = Higher numbers of unskilled workers = higher numbers of unemployed unskilled labor = higher numbers of people we have to support with tax dollars.

    This is not hard to figure out, this is Econ 101 folks.

  • Nunn24 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:18 p.m.

    @Uncle_Dave - Springville, UT

    The difference between speeding laws and immigration laws is that every motorist is actually subject to the law, and knows it. Until Trump, only the most extreme felons among illegal aliens were subject to penalties and deportation. The rest were given a virtual promise that the law simply does not apply to them and that they need not fear -- even to the point where, as is obvious from the article, many actually have come to believe they are entitled to not have to fear consequences of their own illegality.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Ronald Reagan came to regret the 1986 Amnesty as the greatest mistake of his presidency, and said so.

    @New to Utah

    Why do many use the term "Immigration reform?" Answer: Because if they were candid about what it really means -- i.e., non-enforcement, and rewarding law-breaking -- few patriotic Americans would fall for it.

    Any kind of legalization or amnesty not only undermines the rule of law, it also is grossly unfair to those who apply to come legally.

    "The owners of businesses who hire the undocumented workers need to live in fear, not these poor people."

    Why not both? Takes two to Tango. Both sides are culpable.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:10 p.m.

    @Mac2828,
    Ultimately when it comes to the law there are only two: 1) love God; and 2) love each other. Everything else is an apendage.

  • Mack2828 Kenton Vale, KY
    July 14, 2019 6:49 p.m.

    When it comes the issue of illegal immigration, I rely on what Jesus has taught us through modern day Prophets of God...We are to "obey, honor and sustain the law."
    There is peace in following the Savior and his Prophets, and fear arises when we set their counsel aside as a thing of naught.

  • JaneB , 00
    July 14, 2019 6:48 p.m.

    Why should ya'll lay the immigration mess on employers?! Seems like you don't know much about how our economy works. Do you know what 12 million people leaving the labor market would do to business???

    Here's a sample: the dairy business would cease to exist if not for undocumented workers. They comprise over 90% of workers. Punish these business owners, and you've shut down dairy products in America. You want to pay 2-3 times more for dairy? I don't! Let them work. There is nothing in the world wrong with hiring undocumented workers.

    it's not a myth that undocumented workers do the labor Americans don't want to do.

  • momsaid Winchester, VA
    July 14, 2019 6:35 p.m.

    Coming here illegally is a crime. Working without a Social Security number (or with one that belongs to someone else) is a crime. Accepting food stamps/section 8/welfare/medicaid/etc. when you are not a citizen is a crime. Not leaving the country after deportation proceedings is a crime.

    Why do so many people describe illegals as 'law-abiding', when every day they spend here is counted as a...crime?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    No matter what my situation is. I do not have a right to break into my neighbor's house. Val shalt not steal

  • Gil Bates Mayfield, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:31 p.m.

    I get suspicious when a sports writer wades into politics. Donaldson wrote with sadness when Hillary lost the election. Her stories seem out-of-place, like they belong in the opinion section.

    It is telling that the editor thinks this is a piece worthy of publication, sort of a reminder to readers to follow the spirit of the Utah Compact.

    But, as the comments reveal, virtue-signaling doesn't work. The problem has been ignored for too long. The news gets worse all the time. We learned last year that the number of people here illegally is DOUBLE what we were told.

    Mostly, we are tired of hearing politicians, preachers, police chiefs and editors actually encouraging people to come here.

    We are NOT the world's life boat. We need to turn off the incentives that encourage them to make the trip.

    We have gone to the absurd message, "Abolish ICE." It's nonsense. We need a strong border and strong interior enforcement.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:29 p.m.

    Fear: Legitimate, but can be all put behind any person by doing what is right, including doing everything to make yourself legal.
    Mainstream media and Congress: Just like to talk about the issue without holding congress or citizens accountable.
    Most American citizens: Want legal immigration and not happy at all with a congress that has failed in its duty to secure for its citizens legal immigration.
    Trump: Doing everything he can to secure border, obey the rule of law, and keeping America safe and a world leader.
    Myself: Not happy with an insecure congress, inept leadership, and citizens that think 'open borders' and a Constitution are out of date, and want economic prosperity without obeying God or wanting rules, including legal citizenship.

  • Bastiatarian Santa Ana, CA
    July 14, 2019 5:24 p.m.

    If you don't want to live in fear of being arrested, don't commit crimes.

    Super simple. Super easy.

    If you intentionally commit crimes, then you deserve to live in fear of being arrested, because, well, you really did commit a crime.

    Super simple. Super easy.

    Your choices. Your consequences.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:10 p.m.

    @ice

    You are correct. The owners of businesses who hire the undocumented workers need to live in fear, not these poor people. E-verify everyone.

    Start jailing the farmers, meat packers, construction company owners who hire the undocumented and 99% of the problem would disappear. But get ready for $15 Big Macs.

    But let’s face it, these owners have powerful connections and make big political donations, so nothing will happen. Much easier to demonize someone with no power.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 14, 2019 4:48 p.m.

    The overall tone to the illegals is kind of hostiles in this thread. Let me add just one more thing.

    Yes they are human beings and we should be compassionate if we want to call ourselves disciples of Christ. We should help and be generous to people in need when and where we can.

    However, you can't legislate the Pure Love of Christ. You can't force people to be cheerful givers. People will voluntarily help the less fortunate of their own free will and choice out of the goodness of their hearts and they ought to have the agency of whether or not they do so. When you demand that someone should be forced to give of their time and talents to help the less fortunate and demonize them as racist bigots for not doing so voluntarily, you are no better than them. You're every bit as prideful as they are and your demands are rooted in covetousness and envy.

    The illegals may be in need but, meanwhile, they have on concern or consideration for how their actions affect others. They don't care about the unemployed or homeless who live here already that are struggling for survival, and they don't care about the legal immigrants who put in years of time and effort to come here the right way.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    July 14, 2019 4:16 p.m.

    Birdman 1990
    You need to shed your disappointment and embrace the rule of law. People are not good when they are disregarding the law. Honoring, obeying and sustaining the law means your good.

  • Carbon Dioxide Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 14, 2019 4:08 p.m.

    A while back a study was done that estimated about 150 million adults worldwide would like to come to the US. That is not including their children but just the adults. If we do not enforce our immigration laws, many of them will come here. We have a great and generous country but we can't accept millions and millions to come in. Our schools are already overcrowded. How does accepting more migrants fix that? The call will be for more taxes to be collected to pay for all of this. How does this benefit the average American when their costs go up? We need immigrants but it needs to be done in an orderly way and fit our needs. A nation that does not control its borders will one day cease to exist.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    July 14, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    Obey the law. Otherwise suffer the consequences just like the rest of us.

    A nation is only a nation based on its laws and its citizens willingness to obey those laws. One very big reason people love the USA is the safety and law and order that exists therein. It certainly is not perfect but it is much preferred over all 3rd world countries.

  • rwperkinsjr Silver City, NM
    July 14, 2019 3:36 p.m.

    Lots of words in this article trying to get us to feel sorry for these folks but alas I don't feel sorry for them. We (and they) all know the consequences of coming here illegally (key word illegal). Stories like this that try to sway the opinion of the readers are shameful.

    It's also nice how the writer uses folks from Mexico when it's not the folks from Mexico that are currently the problem it's the Central Americans but what a great puff piece for the left

    Sorry, but your attempt to conjure up fear or sympathy in those of us that are paying attention (or live on the border and see the truth) failed miserably.

  • dski Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2019 3:37 p.m.

    Live in fear, eh? I wonder why. They all know why, they are breaking the law. I am an immigrant. Came here legally. When I fail to pay what I owe in income tax to the State of Utah, I also live in fear. I fear the Sate of Utah will put a lien on my house or hold a tax auction and auction my house to pay for my taxes. That fear is real. I am looking forward to read the article about those of us, US citizens, who live in fear of what their government can do to harm their families; despite the fact the government is right by enforcing the laws. Highly unlikely? Definitely.

  • JaneB , 00
    July 14, 2019 3:18 p.m.

    Wow, the comments. I'm shocked that a primarily LDS audience is so harsh. I will repeat the call to do what Jesus would do: LDS leaders have repeatedly called for members to show compassion and to welcome refugees, and for governments to keep families together. Undocumented members of the church hold temple recommends, and have callings. (A little perspective on the "law and order" aspect. Apparently not to serious...)

    And no, they are not taking anything from you. Immigrants are a net gain, and always have been. Immigrants start more businesses than the rest of us --which creates jobs! Over half of billion $ start ups are started by first generation immigrants. Think of it! Do you wonder why that is? Perhaps they know a little more about being American than natives. It's true that when immigrants first come here, they do rely on public help. But only for a few years. They then become assets, paying taxes and helping our economy.

    Ya'll need to know that Trump is running on anger against "others". This is the only way he wins re-election. Rile up the hate and the division. Lie about immigrants. Call them vermin and rapists. Don't fall for it.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 14, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    "In as much as ye have done it to the least of these, ye have done it unto me"

    I say if they have jobs, then they are welcome. And they do have jobs.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    July 14, 2019 3:06 p.m.

    We want our cake and eat it, too. We want cheap labor. We also want someone to cut our grass; clean our toilets; clean our restaurants; work in the slaughter houses; harvest our crops; milk our cows; build our homes; and take all the other unwanted or menial jobs that we refuse to take. But we are indignant when these workers don’t have the necessary papers to perform the services we desire and even demand.

    Trump is employing a single tool to assuage the indignation of his base — enforcement, including round-ups, detention centers that resemble concentration camps, walls that resemble the Berlin Wall, and border patrols that resemble SWAT teams. All these evoke images of the Jews in 1943 Warsaw. What’s next, mine fields?

    There is not one of us us who wouldn’t similarly flee to another land due to hopelessness, persecution, hunger, social unrest, unemployement, or a better future for our families. The early Mormons did it. The Pilgrims did it. The Irish did it. The Chinese did it. The Italians did it. And now the Hispanics are doing it.

    Until we address the root cause of the immigration problem these enforcement tools will be as effective as outlawing booze was in the 1920s.

  • JkeithC Richland, WA
    July 14, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    Repeat after me, "Illegal Aliens".
    They are not immigrants because they are not immigrating. They are sneaking across a border.
    How many of them are receiving welfare benefits?
    You may say that they are here for a better life. I think my life would be better if I had more free stuff as well. I will guess that MOST of them are receiving benefits.
    If you can't say "Illegal Aliens", then say "Unregistered Democrats". That, after all, is the real reason that the liberal side of our country is so "Compassionate".

  • Uncle_Dave Springville, UT
    July 14, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    We all recognize that murder is a crime. We all recognize that speeding is a crime. We all accept less strict enforcement of speeding violations than we do for murder. Illegal immigration is somewhere in the middle but seems much closer to speeding than to murder.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    As a nation, why should we have to apologize for upholding and enforcing our laws? Other countries are allowed to. Why should we have to be deporting people 5 or 6 times? Why do minoroty groups and advocacy groups want to hide criminals who need to go?

  • Alekhin Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    Anytime I break a rule or a law, I live in fear also. Whether it be at work, while speeding, at home or any other aspect of my life. I understand there are rules and consequences for breaking those rules. So when I intentionally break any of the rules I also live in fear (or with guilt). Nobody should expect that this situation should be any different or that they should be given a pass because of this fear.

  • Say No to BO Springville, UT
    July 14, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    Deportation is NOT ethnic cleansing, as some here seem to believe.

    It is an appropriate remedy for being unlawfully present.

    Let's stop the political hype, people.

  • John Wilson Idaho Falls, 00
    July 14, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    If illegal aliens are living in fear in the United States it is fear of their own making.

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2019 12:29 p.m.

    I am saddened that so many are upset with them. Most all the posts side with deportation. Mine was rejected for being insensitive towards those who favor deportation. Love you all. I simply disagree with not letting them stay. Hope I can at least get that much printed, even if my opinion and thoughts are considered too insensitive that I should try to repeat them. I notice JaneB still only has four likes, so that speaks to the thought that most favor the deportations.
    Bless you all, the same.
    -- John Jackson, who would prefer to post as Immifriend or John Jackson, but is not allowed to do so.

  • Computerguy PINEDALE, WY
    July 14, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    They are not immigrants. Immigrants come to the US by the legal process. Illegals are just that, illegals.
    A burglar is NOT an undocumented f sa milly member even if they dont get caught. A bank robber is not an undocumented bank worker even if not caught.
    People who break the law rightfully live in fear and always should. Janet and husband need to get off their butts and pursue the legal way of becoming a citizen. As to Trump, what he has said about immigrants and immigration has been said by Joe Biden who supported the wall; Hillary Clinton, and previous Presidents like Bill Clinton pointed and forcefully did in a state of the union address.

  • tlee86 Sand Springs, OK
    July 14, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    Not sure why the media is always running stories denegrating Trump. He took an oath to defend and protect the constitution. That includes enforcing the laws of the land. Unlike former Presidents, Trump is doing the job we elected him to do. I am all for legal immigration. The law calls "undocumented immigrants" illegal aliens. They came into our country illegally. They are breaking the law. They all know that. Of course they live in fear of being caught. All criminals do. The media knows that but chooses to sugarcoat the issue. And separating families? In America, when mom and dad are both breaking the law, and get caught. They go to jail and their kids are separated from them. Why does the media want to give more consideration to illegal aliens than we do to American citizens? Presidents before Trump all separated the parents from the children. The media never complained about it then. This whole issue is a media sham to try to undermine the Trump Presidency. All of America knows that.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    July 14, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Laura and Janet’s stories are compelling. As they pull our heart strings and emotions, we have to honestly demand answers as to why we haven’t passed immigration reform. I personally place blame on Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi for inaction and failure to cross party lines and get legislation passed. This was a missed opportunity which rarely occurs. After 2018 midterms and a radical democrat congress and 2020 presidential race, nothing is likely to help Janet and Laura.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    I would live in fear too, if I were breaking laws. If I broke into someone's house and stole things, I would live in fear. If they caught me and chased me out and I came back again I would have even more fear.

    Immigrants are welcomed when they come here obeying our immigration laws, waiting in line to do it right. They have nothing to fear.
    If you are here illegally, and don't want to live in fear, take your family home. Any children born here can go with you to Mexico and come back with you when you follow our immigration laws.

    The fact that children born in the U.S. are automatically U.S. citizens is a problem. Children born here to persons here illegally should not be deemed U.S. citizens. Period.

    Anyone who wants to give leniency to criminals needs to explain what laws U.S. citizens are allowed to ignore. Also, please tell us where you live, so we can come over to your house any time we like and move in and demand to be fed, housed and supported.

    If laws are not obeyed or enforced, we have anarchy and are no longer a country with the rule of law.

    Viva ICE!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 14, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    Those posters here who worship Ronald Reagan.......just remember he declared "amnesty" twice for illegal immigrants........once as governor of California and as POTUS.

    Now, "you people" HATE immigrants again???????

  • Husker2 , 00
    July 14, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    I have to admit this article makes me very angry. It is a propaganda piece that seeks to make us feel sorry for people who are repeatedly breaking the law.

    Laws exist for a reason and it’s important that our government knows who is in the country. Why? Because when illegal immigrants commit crimes they are much harder to find. They have no birth records, no electronic footprint, no fingerprints, etc. Its like they don’t exist, and that makes it very hard for law enforcement to find them.

    The article mentions a woman who overstayed her visa as if it’s no big deal. If I remember correctly, some or all of the 9/11 terrorists had overstayed their visas.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    July 14, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    What I don't understand is why the Deseret News constantly prints articles designed to elicit sympathy for illegal immigration, but not articles document the costs and downside to illegal immigration.

  • oldbasketball Draper, UT
    July 14, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    This article and her statements make the case for border security and legal immigration only. She states she lives in the Rose Park area and she feels people have disdain for her because of her skin color. That is pretty hard to believe because 42.6% of the populace in that area is Hispanic. Caucasians comprise 44.7% of the populace there and other minority groups make up the rest.

  • Husker2 , 00
    July 14, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    These may be nice people but they are illegal aliens. According to the Texas Dept. of Safety, between 2011-2018, 189,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 467,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 1,020 homicide charges; 52,685 assault charges; 14,963 burglary charges; 60,246 drug charges; 700 kidnapping charges; 28,998 theft charges; 41,261 obstructing police charges; 3,519 robbery charges; 5,620 sexual assault charges; 3,417 sexual offense charges; and 6,780 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 215,000 convictions including 467 homicide convictions; 22,849 assault convictions; 7,767 burglary convictions; 31,271 drug convictions; 288 kidnapping convictions; 13,720 theft convictions; 20,831 obstructing police convictions; 1,946 robbery convictions; 2,961 sexual assault convictions; 1,841 sexual offense convictions; and 3,035 weapon convictions. That’s just in Texas.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:32 a.m.

    Re: JaneB

    We don't think they are taking something from us. They are taking something from us. Illegal immigrants are a net cost to the American taxpayer to the tune of approximately $95 billion dollars a year. Most of them get free housing, free healthcare, food stamps, education vouchers for their children, etc. Do some of them work? Yes. Do some of the pay taxes even? Yes. But are they a net cost to America? Also yes.

    It's why there is a housing crisis, it's why inflation is out of control, it's why wages get suppressed. It's why we live in a generation where both parents have to work to make ends meet. What's more, these people have the audacity to skip the line as if their lives matter more than people who have patiently waited in line for years and who are following the rules.

    I think Jesus feels compassion for everyone, but the Articles of Faith state that we believe in honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law. So, I think simply that Jesus would politely ask these people to please wait in line like everyone else. That's what I think he would say.

    We don't have infinite resources to support all 7 billion people who want to come here, I'm sorry, but we just don't.

  • Jer-Bear Springville, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    Well now, not that we wish fear upon their lives. But, if they're breaking the law, isn't that typical that they likely will live in fear?

    That's just how a larcenist or burglar should likely feel as well.

    Bottom line: They are breaking the law...

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    On this one issue, alone, Trump will be re-elefted in a landslide. All rational American citizens recognize that immigration laws must be enforced. The only part of the system that is "broken" is the "enforcement" part.

    I should add that I have numerous immigrants in my immediate family and know countless legal immigrants. They all agree on this point.

    The Democrats are playing to an issue that no rational person can support. They are actually working for foreign entities (illegals) against legal Ammericans.

  • Birdman1990 Mapleton, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    I don’t agree with illegal immigration, however I’m disappointed. I feel a little ashamed as a Utahn at some rhetoric. I see and meet a lot of good hardworking people and families everyday in the construction industry who are probably here illegally, but many own businesses and hire their own, as well as other people. I realize that a small few here in Utah may be involved in gang activity or other crimes, and those individuals usually wind up in jail and deported. I believe we should have tighter security on the southern boarder and solve immigration issues together, but not by means of the Great Wall of the USA or by sending police door to door or through out the streets after scanning drivers licenses to “round-up” illegal immigrants. This to me is crossing a fine line in the land of the free and the spirit of the constitution.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    Do we believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law?

    If we get to a point where we are generally no longer afraid when we live contrary to the laws of this country, we will have lost our republic.

    Do illegal immigrants deserve compassion? Yes. They deserve to be deported compassionately. Do citizens deserve to live in a nation governed by the rule of law? Yes. Absolutely. Do we need to reform immigration law? Yes, but that seems very unlikely.

  • Nunn24 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:04 a.m.

    "I'm just asking God to give me a little house, a humble house, "

    A whole lot of Americans desire this, too, and are not able to obtain one -- in part because so many illegals are taking a great many housing opportunities they assuredly are not entitled to because of their illegal residency status. It also has helped drive housing prices up extremely.

    The inflammatory claim that deportees are "ripped" from their American-born children, is false. They are free to take those children with them.

    "They enrich our society." No; actually, they don't -- not when they disdain this nation and its laws. They enjoy the fruits of the rule of law, but don't want to have to subscribe to it.

    What's happening here is that evil is being called good, and good is being called evil. Why isn't the DN pointing to the vital need here for wisdom and order (Mosiah 4:27) and for honesty in one's dealings with one's fellow man, instead of rationalizing illegal-immigration? I remind the paper that the God of Truth tolerates neither misrepresentation of Truth nor the obscuring of Truth -- including in the form of unjustified censorship of comments.

    And how dare some quoted insinuate that I am a racist!

  • charlie24 Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    Every law, including immigration laws, will always have someone willing to ignore the law. Can we pick and chose which laws to follow? Because a process takes time or is uncertain is not a reason to ignore the lawful process. Failure to follow the law in any circumstance and involving children likely will always result in great sadness. Unless we have absolutely no law at all at the border, there will always be individuals that chose to break the law and have the need to determine what to do. As an alternative, we could ask folks to follow the lawful process even if inconvenient or difficult, until it is changed if needed.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    July 14, 2019 9:39 a.m.

    Render into Caesar what is Caesar's.

    We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

    If we get to a point where we are generally no longer afraid when we live contrary to the law, we will have lost our republic.

    Do illegal immigrants deserve compassion? Yes. They deserve to be deported compassionately. Do citizens deserve to live in a nation governed by the rule of law? Yes. Absolutely. Do we need to reform immigration law? Yes but that seems very unlikely.

    Do we deserve to live in a country where racism no longer exists? Yes. But as long as groups called The Race (La Raza), which promote the interests of a single race, a large number of whom live in defiance and fear of our laws, exist and are even heralded as laudable organizations, we will continue to have racial tensions in the Immigration debate.

  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    July 14, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    It's clear that most of those who comment here are of the same mind: Break the law, live in fear. As far as wondering what Jesus would do, he rendered unto Caesar what was due, in accordance with the law. And the idea that because one wants to control immigration and remove those who are here illegally somehow means one is against immigration in general is just nonsense. We are a nation that finds our roots in LEGAL immigration. With the problems we face today--drugs, sex trafficking, and terrorism--that are facilitated by weak border controls, it makes sense to enforce the immigration laws that currently exist and seek to improve the system via legislation rather than just bury our heads in the sand or look the other way while we wait for the next round of general amnesty.

  • BobUtah Draper, UT
    July 14, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    So let me get this straight, the husband has been deported twice already and will again when caught. Perhaps they should think about going to their home country.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    July 14, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    We have a justice system that pursues offenders. There are societies that didn't have justice systems and they had to take things into their own hands. Our justice allows us to be humane. It protects us.

    I applaud efforts to enforce our immigration laws.

    Having said that, we personally do not have to harbor ill feelings to people like this woman. If she was my neighbor I would extend a hand of friendship to her and her family. At the same time, I hold the position that the laws need to be enforced. Just not by me.

    A compromise may be to allow people such as this woman to stay here. But the other side of the compromise is that there is going to be a wall at the border. I supported amnesty in the 1980's with the expectation that there was going to be a better system to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing the border. This was not fulfilled.

    I read JFK's book, "A Nation of Immigrants". Immigrants who came were the courageous, entrepreneurial types who took the risk. They helped the country grow. But people who cheat the system because they want a better life, may find other ways to cheat the system once they get here. Not good.

  • Pac12fans South Jordan, UT
    July 14, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Fear comes from doing something wrong. Many already have been deported in the past few weeks and thousands more will be deported locally.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    July 14, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    For years I lived in fear while driving because I consistently wanted to drive faster than the posted speed limit. Getting a speeding ticket was costly in terms of both the ticket itself and the increased insurance premiums that followed.

    Eventually, I found an easy solution. I simply drive within the posted limit and now have no fear.

    Lawful immigrants are a great benefit to our nation. But unless we are to abandon all sense of national sovereignty, eliminate our borders, and accept all comers regardless of intent or character, we must have and enforce immigration laws. Part of that enforcement must be deporting those in the nation illegally.

    We should also punish companies and individuals who illegally hire and employ these illegal aliens. We need to secure our border and better track those who enter our nation legally on temporary visas (students and tourists). We should end birthright citizenship.

    But as a favorite Democrat loves to quote about the definition of insanity, it is well past time to stop thinking one more amnesty will somehow solve or even reduce immigration problems. We've had a dozen amnesties since Reagan tried that approach. Time for enforcement.

  • gprotti45 Tooele, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    I am a Latino man who came to this country legally more than 30 years ago. I am a citizen of United States of America and I thank God for help me be in this chosen land. I am surprised reading this article because Mexico has a very strict immigration law, I live in Mexico for a short time and I remember visiting their Immigration offices in Mexico city, I have to keep my papers updated. But I follow their laws. Also I was a missionary in Panama and the same rules apply, we obey the rules of Panama. The problem here is a broken Immigration system that the U.S. Congress has refused to fix it. The reason President Trump won was because we the people we're tired of an weak Congress who refuse to do his duties. Going back to this article, I pray for this family and hope her situation will be resolved.

  • cd84121 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:29 a.m.

    Anyone who breaks the law is always looking over their shoulder. Everytime I speed, go through a yellow light that turns red, every time a drug dealer makes a sale or a person shoplifts, they know there is a chance someone saw them and they will get caught. Quit telling me they live in fear because they are breaking the law everyday they remain in the country. It was their choice, they knew the consequences.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    July 14, 2019 7:11 a.m.

    I and most others feel great compassion for this woman and the millions like her. I don't fault her for wanting to make a better life if she will embrace and become an American which includes learning English and loving America more than Mexico. Many come here only to hate America even though the majority are being supported by taxpayers. I fault the politicians for creating this mess. DT is trying to fix this problem with zero support from the Democrats who are using these people for votes. I blame the Republicans for using these people for cheap labor. We have a choice. One involves obeying laws which brings continued prosperity and the other involves choosing which laws to obey which only leads to the chaos we are seeing now.

  • rlsintx Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:10 a.m.

    Sometimes the simplest answer is the right answer.

    Being in the US illegally is violation of the law.
    Removal is the remedy, along with fines and sometimes short jail time.

    Clear your conscience by complying with the law; leave and try to come back legally.

    If you don't have papers to be here legally, you're wrong and need to leave.
    The "fear", is your recognition of knowing you're in the wrong and your conscience speaking. Listen.

    (1st generation American, parents legally immigrated just before I was born)

  • dotGone Puyallup, WA
    July 14, 2019 7:07 a.m.

    This is a hard issue, of course. I agree with all previous posters, on both sides of the issue. Respect for the rule of law makes our country great - and safe. However, I love the Mexican people. I did a study abroad there years ago, lived in a Mexican family's home. Everyone I met was so kind. I also work with Hispanics and many other immigrants in our school district. I figure about half them are here illegally, or their parents are. I'm not worried about it. I love them. Still, we must secure our borders. We must know who comes here. We have plenty of crime in our own people! Anyone could be coming in with the refugee flow. It's no longer 'only' our Mexican neighbors that are coming in to work. I wish each Mexican family could be sponsored by a US family. like "I can vouch for this family, they are solid if not citizens yet. I will help them get there". Both families could get a background check. Secure the border first.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    July 14, 2019 7:06 a.m.

    If I had broken the law, I would be looking over my shoulder and living "in fear" also.

  • Mark321 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 14, 2019 6:48 a.m.

    @JaneB

    What baffles me is people in our country who think it should be okay for anyone to come (good or bad) through our borders illegally here. I don't get that understanding or logic from that crowd. I'm absolutely for immigration, but it has to happen legally. It's pretty simple and logic. As commented before illegal immigration of this kind leads to collective disaster which we are surely headed for. And as for what Jesus would do, surely he would love them, but he would also ask them to live by the laws of the country that they abide in. Is that really too much to ask?

  • bigfred San Angelo, TX
    July 14, 2019 6:44 a.m.

    Every nation on this planet has rules and laws regarding immigration. In several countries, the penalty for illegally entering their country can be quite severe. With the majority, if you want to migrate there, a procedure in in place for that specific purpose. In the USA, we have the same standards, as it is part of our law. Those that violate this law are subject to its consequences. But first and foremost, you have committed a crime by illegal entry. You have placed yourself and your family at risk by so doing. If and/or when you are deported, and you return, you can be imprisoned, and separated from your family. Thus, you place them in a more precarious situation.

    Criminals do not want to be caught, generally speaking, and they will use whatever means possible to avoid capture. This may include putting others at risk, including family, friends, property, even their own lives, if necessary. Reality TV depicts this quite well in the show COPS. Hollywood, not so much.

    As far as the WWJD issue, we are subject to the laws of the land we live in, to honor and sustain them. Seek the correct way for change, not more criminal behavior.

  • 3grandslams Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 14, 2019 6:43 a.m.

    Come legally, we love you. By obeying the law human trafficking will slow way down, so will the drug flow, so will the sex trade. And by obeying laws it becomes much easier to really help the honest seekers for a better life. I would think the honest immigrant would want that. But to storm the border, raise a foreign countries flag over the United States flag...that's sending a different message. That won't invite the help being sought. The Unites States is being forced to clean up corruption before it can help the needy. And quite frankly, its the innocent immigrants that are being used as a shield for the criminals.

  • kbee Syracuse, UT
    July 14, 2019 6:44 a.m.

    Congress has the power to give a one time amnesty to illegal immigrants that are here now and then make the border safer. But they aren’t doing their job at all! Blame congress not law enforcement enforcing the laws congress made! This type of article should be sent to congress to read but instead it paints a picture that ICE is the bad guy and the ones causing stress in families. Trump was willing to go with amnesty months ago combined with border wall money. Blame congress not ICE or Trump.

  • kbee Syracuse, UT
    July 14, 2019 6:33 a.m.

    Go and get documented. Of your own free will , Return to your homeland as a family, then come back legally and get documented just as millions have done in this country for decades. Do everything you can to follow the laws of any land you choose to enter. Then there is no fear. Don’t choose to live in fear. You made the choice to live in fear when you broke the law. It is not fair to break laws to get in when other immigrants coming to this country patiently obey the law.

  • JMOpinion Orem, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:06 a.m.

    A study was done by the US Commission on Civil Rights that showed the negative impact of illegal immigration on job availability for low skilled workers, particularly in black communities. The study found that the high influx of both legal and illegal immigration causes higher unemployment among citizens who are unskilled workers in at risk communities. Much emphasis is placed on being sympathetic to the plight of the immigrants but not to the negative effect this is having on our own citizens. Let’s welcome skilled workers who come legally and address the issues in our communities of our own citizens that need our help as well.

  • JMOpinion Orem, UT
    July 14, 2019 4:51 a.m.

    I appreciate that this woman is not damaging the country, raising children, etc. The fact remains however that she committed an illegal act to get here. The consequence is living in fear of being caught and if caught being deported. I don’t appreciate that citizens are being demonized for wanting people to come her legally. We aren’t mean, hateful, or racist. We just want a border solution that’s fair and that includes consequences for arriving illegally. Articles like this play on sympathy but ignore the facts of the real problems of illegal immigration.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 3:00 a.m.

    Empathy is the ability to put your self in another persons position.

    I feel we need to use more empathy in dealing with this situation.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    July 14, 2019 1:30 a.m.

    The innocent have nothing to fear.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2019 11:29 p.m.

    America is a nation of immigrants. That is part of what makes us great. We are also a nation that respects the rule of law. This is what makes America better than the places these people are leaving – respect for the rule of law. If people want to come to America, they need to start by respecting its laws; which means they should come here through the legal process. If we keep our borders open to people don’t respect our laws, America will become like the countries these people are leaving.

    Most people, who break the law, live in fear of getting caught. If I were living in a country illegally, I would return home and begin the process of obtaining a legal passport and visa.

  • JaneB , 00
    July 13, 2019 11:28 p.m.

    My heart is sick for these people/families. I do not understand the feelings or the logic of the people who commented before me. It baffles me. It's as if you think these dear people are taking something from you. They are not.

    Immigrants make us a better country. We need them. They enrich our society. They add to our economy and our culture. They work hard. They raise good families. They start businesses. They employ people. We have jobs for them.

    I wonder what Jesus would do for these people. I do not think he would turn them away or deport them. I believe he would minister to them and love them. He asks us to do the same.

  • try_to_reason Lee's Summit, MO
    July 13, 2019 10:39 p.m.

    This appears to be another instance of the Deseret News engaging in biased political activism instead of news reporting.

    We are presented with heart rending stories of how fearful and terrorized a couple of illegal immigrants feel.

    We are given biased points of view from an activist group.

    We get to hear several attacks on President Trump, supporting the false media narrative that he and his supporters are racist and despise people of color.

    There is no attempt to present any other side of the story, only the politically biased opinion that apparently is being pushed by the Deseret News.

    Why does the DN continue to engage in this kind of biased political activity?

  • SLC lady Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2019 10:26 p.m.

    Clearly, our system is very broken.

  • RichardB Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2019 9:39 p.m.

    They either do not know right from wrong, or choose to ignore it. The husband was deported twice, and is back again?

    A person here illegally is not a person doing nothing wrong, they are breaking multiple laws. And the people renting to them, giving them jobs etc. are breaking laws also.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    July 13, 2019 9:21 p.m.

    Call them what they are. Illegal immigrants. And they should live in fear. They have broken the law. Many have had their day in court and still refuse to leave. Those helping them to remain are guilty of aiding and abbetting.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    July 13, 2019 9:00 p.m.

    Any of us who break the law face the possibility that we will be looking over our shoulder at justice. It just amazes me how some sectors of our society can get away with it so much, and the rest of us law abiders are expected to turn a blind eye. A trajectory like this always leads to collective disaster, which surly we’re headed for.

  • VickieB Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2019 8:56 p.m.

    All people who break the law live in fear.

  • IcemanCometh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 13, 2019 8:41 p.m.

    Odd that the focus is on undocumented immigrants and not on those who hirer them. That is treating the symptoms not the disease. Kinda of like arresting the prostitutes and not the johns.

    If one really wanted to address the issue then the focus should be on those who hired them. But that wold require real work rather than rhetoric.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 13, 2019 7:37 p.m.

    Of course they live in fear. They know they are breaking the law. People who are not breaking the law have zero to fear. Pretty easy concept.