Letter: Disrespectful women's soccer team

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 16, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    Welcome to the Republican version of America today. We should take the lead in patriotism from a Vietnam draft dodger who proudly said “It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with.

    This is the man giving all you republicans your cue on what patriotism looks like. Being a former Republican who still believes in freedom of speech, I disagree with what the President said to Howard Stern in one of his many interviews, but I respect his right to say it. Maybe all of you who support this man and defend the almost daily inappropriate, mean and divisive thing he says should respect others rights to do the same.

    I would suggest you good Trump supporters and pull up the interview with Howard Stern and read or listen to some of the other comments he made about women.

    I know Bill Clinton blah blah blah will be the justification for Trump

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    July 16, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    "And one more question : How can you be LDS and ignore the things trump has done, is doing and is saying?"

    We don't, and that is why so many don't like him.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    July 16, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    @one old man - MSC, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:32 p.m.

    "But I have a question for you : If we are going to respect the office of our president, shouldn't it be occupied by someone who is WORTHY of respect?

    And one more question : How can you be LDS and ignore the things trump has done, is doing and is saying?"

    Here's an even more important question.
    How can you be LDS and support/ignore all the damage the Democratic party has done?

    Trump is worthy of our respect, same as Obama was. Hated most everything about Obama, his constant division in America, his constant disrespect of our military and police, etc.

    We didn't elect Trump as our spiritual leader, we have a Prophet for that. We elected him to fix the problems created in the last administration. We elected him in spite if his brashness because he was better than the alternative and focused on America not other nations. We knew he wasn't going to go on a worldwide apology your either.

  • furymouse Draper, UT
    July 15, 2019 8:09 p.m.

    What's more American than exercising your first amendment rights? Wasnt our country built on being mad at our government and doing something about it?

  • RedShirt_CDLofWY Montezuma Creek, UT
    July 15, 2019 5:04 p.m.

    @RedShirt

    “but it doesn't get the attention that they are seeking. “

    Nike and Colin Kaepernick would disagree.

    “I hate to break it to you, but people don't want politics mixed in with their sports. “

    Ya’ll loved it when Pence “stormed” out of a Colts game and you get absolutely giddy every time Trumps goes after the NFL. You love politics mixed in with your sports so long as it’s the “right” kind if politics. It’s only when the politics make you uncomfortable that you object.

    Doesn't matter, though. They have a right to their message; you a right to not like it. You don’t have a right to silence them nor they you.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 15, 2019 4:16 p.m.

    To "copycat_CDLofWY" but it doesn't get the attention that they are seeking. I hate to break it to you, but people don't want politics mixed in with their sports. It turns them off of both the protester's message and the sports that allow their players to engage in such behavior.

    ESPN learned that lesson the hard way after years of declining viewers they finally had to tell their sports personalities to lay off the politics because nobody wants to listen to politics during Monday night football.

    I never said that they had to go preaching to the choir. I stated that these sports stars stop their protests the minute the season is over. If it is such a cause, why are they not organizing rallies or protests during their off season? Everything they do looks more like something done for convenience and lacks conviction.

  • ChemMichael SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 15, 2019 3:53 p.m.

    Showing disrespect for the President--whoever that may be at any given time--is not the same thing as showing disrespect for the United States of America.

  • RedShirt_CDLofWY Montezuma Creek, UT
    July 15, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    @RedShirt

    “If they hate Trump, Police brutality, or whatever their cause is why is it that they only are out there protesting when on the field for the sport?”

    Because it gets the attention it deserves. Preaching to the choir will get you nowhere but upsetting an apple cart gets noticed.

  • RedShirt_CDLofWY Montezuma Creek, UT
    July 15, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    @Traveller

    “The team captain in particular should not be invited back until she becomes a little more grateful for the opportunities the nation has given her.“

    Let me make sure I understand this. This nation has given her the opportunity to play soccer and the right to speak her peace but if she continues to do the latter she should be denied the former? Is the correct?

  • Sutton Cedar City, UT
    July 15, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    Why does Dorothy Bradford hate America?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 15, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    Just another opinion along the lines if people were more like me than the country would be a better place.
    Congrats to the USNWT on their victory and go ahead and exercise your constitutional rights. Our service men and the people before us sacrificed much to keep the American dream alive.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 15, 2019 1:06 p.m.

    Speaking of disrespectful, nothing has been as disrespectful the last few years as trump and even more so, his supporters who continue to make excuses for how racist and awful he is.

    I'm glad someone is publicly standing up to him.

  • Stenodude7174 St. Louis, MO
    July 15, 2019 1:05 p.m.

    RedShirt says: "The people that support the disrespectful women who played in the world cup are ignoring the prime issue . . Why don't they organize protests when they are not on the field? It is as if their protest is a protest of convenience, not of conviction."

    Right . . if I have a statement to make about some cause or issue I believe in, of course I should wait until the spotlight isn't on me to make it. Because of course I don't actually want people to hear what I'm saying. That's essentially what you're saying.

    You and I don't have a platform other than as Anonymous Comment Board Dude. If you or I did, we may choose to use a platform that would reach more people. And how do you know what these women do off the field? They may "organize protests," or contribute money, or volunteer time. You have no idea.

    The argument that celebrities shouldn't mention such things while "on the job" makes zero sense. If it bothers some people, that's kinda the point.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 15, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    These women symbolize exactly what is great about America . The ability to speak out against what they see as corruption within or government and the freedom to fight to make our country what they believe will be a better place. What I find disrespectful is telling someone if you don’t like it leave, that goes more against our founding principles of freedom more then anything these women did, but you still have the freedom to say it, and I-still get to tell you what I think of it. Isn’t that great?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    July 15, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    What is womens soccer? Who even cares? You actually admit you pay attention to these things? You gotta learn to let this stuff go. Yeah same old story. A small group of attention seeking, loudmouths, and societal misfits, who like to denigrate traditional America and its values, get a big focus and lots of limelight. As typical, they only see the issues through their own self centered focus, and really can't grasp the big picture. They apparently won some soccer award? Again, who really cares?
    This situation is nothing new. Its just like most other entertainment based interests in this country. Some spectacle that only about 10-15% of the nation even notices, gets prime propaganda attention, with the pop culture newsies, who eat this stuff up. Of course it plays well with many of the immature, and influential youth. Let them play the mens team, or the men who want to be women's team, and see how that goes? Then they can tell us about how valuable they are.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 15, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    The people that support the disrespectful women who played in the world cup are ignoring the prime issue.

    The women's soccer team is to be representing the US on the soccer field. Their actions are on display to the world. By using the soccer field to engage in their "protests" they are only diminishing their cause. We have seen this with the NFL players and their protest.

    If they hate Trump, Police brutality, or whatever their cause is why is it that they only are out there protesting when on the field for the sport? Why don't they organize protests when they are not on the field? It is as if their protest is a protest of convenience, not of conviction.

  • Stenodude7174 St. Louis, MO
    July 15, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    Say No to BO says: "From the Choir member to the soccer player, they think they are taking a stand. Well, I guess they are, but it hurts the game. Ceremonies have nothing to do with skills or performance. When you make the game about politics, you cause people to give up as fans."

    Don't pretend for a minute that you don't get warm fuzzies when an athlete or other celeb say nice things about Trump, hug a flag, or wax poetic about he military. This "keep your political opinions to yourself" or "Shut up and dribble" stuff is one-sided nonsense. You don't have a problem with political speech . . as long as it aligns with your worldview.

    At least be honest about it.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    July 15, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    Being a sports star shouldn't give any authority to your political views.

    If you are a nation's representative in any fashion then a little respect for the nation's symbols would seem a reasonable job requirement. If as a part of a national team you aren't giving respect to your nation's symbols then you are not doing your job, are you?

    I wouldn't minded if they only refused an invite to the White House - that could be seen as criticism of a specific individual. But the national anthem and the US flag are not the symbols of one person.

    The team captain in particular should not be invited back until she becomes a little more grateful for the opportunities the nation has given her.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    July 15, 2019 8:08 a.m.

    "Mike also wrote: "Anyone who is on any team that represents the United States should be benched forever if they disrespect the . . . constitutionally elected President of this nation."

    That must be brand new... because Mike surely didn't think that way 3 years ago.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    Oh boy, if you dare not just worship at the alter of the donald his supporters will go nuts.

    The WORLD CHAMPION US Womens Soccer team represent me and the country far better than any trump supporter does.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2019 7:22 a.m.

    The Donald seeks disrespect and chaos. It will only get worse and soon he will ask every person that came from immigrants to America to go back.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    July 15, 2019 12:42 a.m.

    Is there something in the water? What’s with republicans today telling people who they disagree with to “leave?” Whatever happened to tolerance? Freedom of speech? Sounds like republicans only believe in the constitution or American ideals when it’s someone they agree with.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    July 14, 2019 6:36 p.m.

    @Mike Richards: “Anyone who is on any team that represents the United States should be benched forever if they...”

    Exercise the First Amendment Rights guaranteed to all citizens of the United States?

    Is that what you’re saying?

    The First Amendment takes a back seat to Political Correctness, and extreme punishment will be heaped on those who get out of line?

    What else? Re-education Camps where political dissidents who offend Trump are sent? Not a surprise - Trump worships Kim and Putin and Erdogan and the House of Saud. Political prisoners is a logical step...

    And, of course, “wrapped in the flag patriots” are screaming for it to happen.

    I’m a United States Navy Veteran. I swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States so that Megan Rapinoe has an absolute right to protest.

    I swore to defend the Constitution against people who, well, people who want political dissent silenced by force and punished.

    Ms. Rapinoe merely said what the majority of patriotic Americans are saying. She just said it from a bigger soapbox than most.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    July 14, 2019 5:46 p.m.

    As a retired, career soldier, Dorothy, it does my heart good when I see Americans peacefully taking a stand, whether I agree with them or not. I served so they could; they are proof that I and millions of others did our job and continue to do so. If that troubles you, well, I guess you are troubled.

    @Mike Richards

    "Anyone who claims to represent the United States is an absolute liar"

    Anyone who thinks they, and they alone, get to define when others are free to exercise their rights hasn't a real clue as to what being an American is really about.

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:45 p.m.

    Dear Dorothy,
    I don't believe these players refused to go to the White House as such. Rather, they refused to go there at a time when a certain immoral misogynist is there (when he's not at one of his vacation homes or playing golf). Unlike that particular individual, they have principles.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:32 p.m.

    Mike Richards -- I agree with some of what you say.

    But I have a question for you : If we are going to respect the office of our president, shouldn't it be occupied by someone who is WORTHY of respect?

    And one more question : How can you be LDS and ignore the things trump has done, is doing and is saying?

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 14, 2019 5:24 p.m.

    Mike Richards wrote: "Anyone who claims to represent the United States is an absolute liar if they trample our flag beneath their feet"

    Video footage clearly shows that the player whose shoe briefly brushed against the flag was unaware of the contact or of the presence of the flag. No one stepped on or trampled on the flag.

    Mike also wrote: "Anyone who is on any team that represents the United States should be benched forever if they disrespect the . . . constitutionally elected President of this nation."

    Try reading the First Amendment to the Constitution. This president, even more than Nixon, has earned the disrespect, and three cheers to those who exercise their constitutional right to express it.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    July 14, 2019 4:35 p.m.

    Maybe the author of this piece is the one out of synch, and ought to move.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    The thing about castigating the entire team is that it somehow says that all these 22 women are all the same. They are not, nor should they be. This is the problem. The desire to over simplify and put all people into bins. These 22 don't all think a like. Just like our nation of over 320 million... they represent a broad range of thought.

    And I do get their frustration and rage that they achieve more than their male counterparts, and yet are paid less. I would be mad too. Our nation was not made on the concept of 'if you don't like it, shut up or move". Our forefathers saw injustice and fought against it. All our rights stem from civil (and sometimes not so civil) fight against injustice. To tell these women they just need to sit back and ignore what they see as being unfair is a most unAmerican attitude.

    We are a nation that has grown through our over 200 year quest to fight injustices. Slavery. The vote. Equal Rights. To not do so would be the antithesis of what it means to be an American.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, UT
    July 14, 2019 12:50 p.m.

    Anyone who claims to represent the United States is an absolute liar if they trample our flag beneath their feet or if they show disrespect to the Office of the President while visiting foreign lands as "representatives" of the United States.

    Their obligation is to the United States and what it stands for. It stands for having a President elected by the States to represent them throughout the world. Those soccers players are responsible to act as loyal Americans expect them to act.

    It's not surprizing to see that those who lean Left applaud disrespect. But I have news for them. Trump is the President of all the States in America. He is the duly elected leader to the world of the United States. No amount of whining and rioting and stomping on the flag will every change that fact.

    Anyone who is on any team that represents the United States should be benched forever if they disrespect the people of this nation, the flag that is the symbol of freedom for which many of our family members died, or the constitutionally elected President of this nation.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    July 14, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    @Dorothy;

    It isn't your place to tell these women to move to another country; your words are every bit as disrespectful as those things you're complaining about.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    July 14, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    "From the Choir member to the soccer player, they think they are taking a stand."

    SOMEONE needs to take a stand for what is decent, right, and American.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    July 14, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    Ahh. The old tried and true Utah comment, "If you don't like it here-move". Sorry Dorothy, you can't fix things by running away. Religious Utah lawmakers don't represent me, or so many others, but leaving won't make it better for my fellow Utahn's.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    July 14, 2019 9:46 a.m.

    They are not disrespecting America.

    Instead, they are respecting America because they are trying to call out trump for what he is doing to us.

    trump has trampled our flag with his lies, immorality, racism, and complete disregard for Christian teachings and values.

    The women's soccer team is standing for what is right.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 14, 2019 8:25 a.m.

    One of the greatest gifts my wonderful USA has given us is the right to dissent, in the form of free speech.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    July 14, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    I for one am very proud of women who stand up for their own rights, and the rights of others. These women will not be intimidated by Trump, his nasty rants, or his previous and nasty (literally) comments about women. They won't allow this bully to get to them.

    For those women who still support Trump, I have some valuable advice. Educate yourself, get some self worth, and become politically active. But, most of all stand up for other women against perpetrators that are allowed to get away with what we have seen happen to women. And this same advice goes for men too.

    These are true patriots who will not allow this regime to intimidate them.

    This letter writter has missed the whole point of what these strong and patriotic women do stand for. It is not to be bullied by a man accused by over 20 women of inappropriate behavior. They stand for far more values than those who allow inappropriate behavior to be the norm against women and others.

    God bless these strong and wonderfully accomplished women.

  • Say No to BO Springville, UT
    July 14, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    They can never just quietly decline to go. They have to make it a big deal.

    From the Choir member to the soccer player, they think they are taking a stand.

    Well, I guess they are, but it hurts the game. Ceremonies have nothing to do with skills or performance. When you make the game about politics, you cause people to give up as fans. The Emmys, The Oscars, sports teams, performers...when you decide to weaponize your talent, I'm tuning out.