Letter: D.C. deluge

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 15, 2019 7:32 a.m.

    To "silo" ok, here is the proof you don't or won't accept.

    See "Climate SHOCK: Global warming could produce MORE farming land, scientists admit" in the UK Express.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    jsf - Centerville, UT

    "One event does not make a climate. One 100 year flood does not change the 100 year flood prediction."

    "In 1923 floods struck Willard, Farmington and Centerville, causing hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, and eight people were killed. Flood crests in Farmington Canyon were observed to be 75 to 100 feet high and 200 feet across. "

    So if it snows in your backyard there is no "climate change" and no "global warming?"

    You need to expand beyond local weather and look at GLOBAL changes. That includes how the entire world is affected, thus the name; "Global."

    Look past the borders of Happy Valley, there's a big world out there.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    lost in DC - West Jordan, UT
    "Kevin
    Are you talking about greenhouse gasses, or clean air and clean water? Greenhouse gasses do not dirty the air or the water."

    Why is it the ones that know the least preach the loudest?

    You call this pollution, but carbon is not a pollutant. Humans are about 18% carbon. Nor is CO2, which is necessary for life on this planet, a pollutant."

    BOTH are pollutants! CO2 changes the water temps which governs worldwide air and water temps. As the waters get warmer more plant life can grow, but the warmer temps also kill the plants and animal life. The coral reefs that used to absorb CO2 die off and no longer soak up CO2 which gets into the air.

    Notice that we have 100 and 500 year storms on an annual basis now?

    Carbon is not a pollutant? Look at London in the 50's or China in the last decade.

    No, YOU'VE got some real mixed up ideas that need fixing.

    You could learn more about what you're talking about if you did some actual research instead of spouting off things that are untrue or things you've heard from Trump, Faux, Breitbart, the Blaze or Rush.

    Try thinking for yourself. It might open a whole new world. But, that takes work.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2019 7:18 p.m.

    @ilkshirt
    "According to NASA a warmer planet means that we can feed millions of more people since more farmland becomes available as the earth warms"

    Go ahead and cite the NASA paper/study where they take the position you claim...for the benefit of others.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 12, 2019 5:56 p.m.

    Re: ". . . it was particularly ironic that the D.C. skies dumped more rain that same morning than had ever happened before . . . ."

    If global warming would render DC uninhabitable, it might be worth all the trouble AGW alarmists claim will happen.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 12, 2019 5:39 p.m.

    One event does not make a climate. One 100 year flood does not change the 100 year flood prediction.

    In 1923 floods struck Willard, Farmington and Centerville, causing hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, and eight people were killed. Flood crests in Farmington Canyon were observed to be 75 to 100 feet high and 200 feet across.

    “Is Salt Lake destined to disappear?” was a Sept. 9, 1899, headline. Claims of crop irrigation depleting the water from the streams that used to recharge the lake was cited as the cause, which would leave the inland sea at the sun’s mercy.

    Weather events and single anomalies do not prove climate change. Climate change is and has existed for billions of years. There is a greater chance of a sudden cooling of the earth from the likes of a volcanic eruption like the one about 1287 that killed thousands from famine around the earth.

    Last 5 years gw was causing the whole US to suffer from droughts, the AGW told us they would continue and get worse. Now the AGW tells us we will forever be suffering from to much rain. What ever the current anomaly is happening it will continue and get worse.

  • ACDonaldson Provo, UT
    July 12, 2019 4:04 p.m.

    Sadly, this opinion piece continues the shameful trend of conflating an "ought" and an "is." In the case of this particular debate people like the author have derived their specific "ought" from the "is" of climate change and then decided that the two are inseparable. It's difficult to have a constructive discussion about climate change when you're not allowed to acknowledge its reality without accepting somebody's proposed solution— like mass government intervention. I'd like to see what we can actually do to mitigate the possible dangers of climate change, but the fact still remains this has been a "disaster" set to happen every other day for the past three decades or more. So it becomes difficult to simply accept that climate change is a threat, and then the issue is only exacerbated by the ideologically driven who refuse to allow the "ought" or solution to be separated from the "is." With these two things conflated Democrats and Republicans will never actually be able to move forward with a useful discussion about how to handle the possible dangers of climate change.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 12, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    Mother Nature will be fine. She's experience 5 mass extinctions in her life. Man is currently causing the next one but Mother Nature will be quite adept at cleaning up the mess and starting anew.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 12, 2019 1:32 p.m.

    To "Kevin Leecaster" no, we don't want a resdistribution of wealth scam passed by congress in the name of mythical man-caused global warming.

    Yes the climate is changing, but man has little to NO responsibility in what is occurring. You see, idiot climatologists and politicians are using the end of the Little Ice Age as a baseline for the temperature. That is like saying that an item is at room temperature less than a minute after pulling it from the fridge. Any idiot would tell you that it isn't up to room temperature yet.

    If you look at the 2000 year average temperature, we are almost up to the 2000 year average. The longer the time period, the warmer the average temperature should be.

    Plus, what is wrong with a warmer planet? According to NASA a warmer planet means that we can feed millions of more people since more farmland becomes available as the earth warms.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    July 12, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    Mr. Leecaster, the propaganda is readily apparent in your letter and I'm sure there's plenty more in whatever rhetoric you try and shove at or representatives.

    "Greenhouse gases heat our atmosphere and warmer air holds more water so it was particularly ironic that the D.C. skies dumped more rain that same morning than had ever happened before, so much that the White House basement flooded.
    So the science is clear..."

    That's what you call "science?" "Clear?" Proof of AGW because the White House basement flooded?

    You folks are always telling us that "now's the time to act." You've been telling us that for decades. How convenient that when the "time to act" passes and we don't act, that some other time becomes the "time to act." The time always seems to be "running out." The end is always near and if we don't do something RIGHT NOW, we'll miss the opportunity. Isn't that what you're always telling us?

    I want to know the date when you finally say that we missed our opportunity and there's no use trying to do anything because it's too late and we can all get back to leading normal lives on this beautiful planet of ours.

    And no, the elitists cannot have my money.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    Kevin
    Are you talking about greenhouse gasses, or clean air and clean water? Greenhouse gasses do not dirty the air or the water. Please reorganize your thoughts and try again.

    Of course, if you support the phony idea of a carbon tax and dividend, you may not be able to do so. Did you know when they first tried this in BC carbon emissions increased? Is that what you want? Norway did a study and founds these schemes did little to actually reduce carbon emissions.

    You call this pollution, but carbon is not a pollutant. Humans are about 18% carbon. Nor is CO2, which is necessary for life on this planet, a pollutant.

    No, you’ve got some real mixed up ideas that need fixing.

    Time’s running out

    I thought that was going to happen in 2012, then 2020, now it’s 2050 maybe?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 12, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    Great letter Kevin. A great call to arms. I share your disappointment with the Democratic debates only dedicating a small fraction of their time to climate change issues. One candidate has made that his signature issue and not just because our planet is in jeopardy over the issue.

    Washington State Governor Jay Inslee has not only made Washington State "the best state in America" according to U.S. News, but, as he sees it "Washington state is an example of how climate action and a strong economy go hand in hand”

    Gov. Inslee said to The Daily Beast, “We are as confident as ever about our efforts to speed up the transition to clean energy. The most obvious, huge job creating opportunity we have is in the clean energy sector. This is not a matter just of urgent environmental peril, it’s a matter of tremendous economic promise.”

    The governor’s “Evergreen Economy” plan aims to add 8 million jobs over a 10-year period and includes 28 policy initiatives focused on innovation, advanced manufacturing, green infrastructure, and deployment.

    If we get behind common sense, progressive voices like Governor Inslee we will not only realize a better environment but also a great economy.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    July 12, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    Nice! Here we have one of the climate worshipers, who always tell us that "weather isn't climate", now telling us that one weather is climate. Huh?

    Science is clear. Climate isn't exactly what it was 500 years ago. Isn't what is was 1000 years ago, and isn't exactly what it was 10000 years ago. Don't be so self absorbed, and arrogant to believe you are going to make our climate the same as some arbitrary, pie in the sky moment in past history, just because you hate capitalism, progress, and conservatives.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 12, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    I remember when the evangelicals blamed hurricanes on the homosexuals and other people they didn't like, saying God caused these things to happen, being a vengeful God.

    So I'm going to go with their logic, and that is obviously God is very upset at Donald, so he let loose a deluge upon his self aggrandizing party.

    The science deniers tend to believe in a spirit in the sky, but not facts, maybe that's why this happened.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 12, 2019 10:24 a.m.

    @Kevin Leecaster "So the science is clear...."

    I'm not sure it's clear to everyone. You seem to be conflating global warming and air quality. Carbon dioxide is a colorless, odorless gas. Plants thrive on it.

    @Kevin Leecaster "Time’s running out to mitigate this crisis...."

    We keep hearing that. In fact, a good number of these crisis deadlines have come and gone. Can you give us an approximate date? And if we pass that date with still no tipping point, how about an admission that the science really wasn't that clear?

  • No One Of Consequence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    "So the science is clear..."

    The "science" is only clear in highly manipulated computer models. In the real world the dire predictions have not come true. We are told that weather is not the same as climate while the warmists cite weather events to support their flimsy notion that mankind is destroying the earth by putting too much plant food into the air.

    "...but what do we do about it?"

    This part is a no-brainer for pro-bigger-government types. We tax the air you exhale; carbon dioxide, the plant food that allows for the continued "circle of life". And we do this, not because it will help the environment but because it gives government more control over the people and give government more money to reward certain people for votes and political contributions. It's a great plan for shaming gullible people into ruining our economy.

    Just say NO! to carbon taxation.

  • Count Rushmore Too Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    "the D.C. skies dumped more rain that same morning than had ever happened before"

    Ever, huh? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    July 12, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    Talk is all you'll get as long as so many elected politicians are in the pockets of Big Energy. You can't serve 2 masters and most GOP politicians serve those that hand them big bags of cash.