ESPN’s Football Power Index has Utes favored in 10 games this year, BYU in 8 and USU in 5

Return To Article
Add a comment
  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2019 3:59 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    So in other words, what you're saying is you COULDN'T find ONE single independent source that rated 247 ahead of Rivals. I'd thought not.

    Edge: Rivals

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 18, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    If what were true? That they rate all their recruits by the 247 composite? That IS true...go to Eleven Warriors dot com and look at their recruiting.

    The fact they don't even use their own ridiculous anecdotal observation about Rivals and instead reference 247 is implicit proof which service they trust more. Why do they need to do ANOTHER ridiculous anecdotal observation when they don't seem to respect the one they've already done (not that I blame them, it was a joke)? Lol

    Now if someone that is actually independent wants to do an actual study with real statistical analysis of what recruiting services are trying to predict (CFB success- NFL scouts aren't using Rivals and 247 to evaluate their draft picks) and doesn't haphazardly disregard 86% of the data and an entire senior draft class of one of the services, that would be nice, but no one has done that presently.

    Time to move on, NV

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    If that were true, then where is Elite Eleven's study that proves 247 as the most accurate? In fact, can you name even ONE independent group that ranked 247 ahead of Rivals? I'll betcha can't.

    LOL

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 17, 2019 10:02 p.m.

    Timelines are important.

    Back in 2017 when Eleven Warriors did their ridiculous anecdotal observation (no real researcher would call that nonsense a study so neither will I) they, like other schools' recruiting sites, may have referenced Rivals. Now, in 2019, Eleven Warriors references every single commit and recruiting target of O$U by their ranking and score in the 247 composite. Apparently they don't think much of their ridiculous anecdotal observation now either lol! Yes, it is quite hilarious when Ur only source for Rival's supposed "accuracy" doesn't even use them anymore.

    LOL indeed!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB (2 of 2):

    By the way, I find it extremely interesting that you should aver that Ohio St had "already established" that they favor 247, when you'd earlier called "Eleven Warriors" an "unbiased" agency linked to...

    ...Ohio St!

    Eleven Warriors favors Rivals.

    LOL

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    "No, what's been established is that no 'independent' source has studied anything. NON-independent Eleven Warriors did a ridiculous quasi anecdotal observation."

    No, what had been established was the Eleven Warriors IS an "independent" source. That's why you've never been able to establish a link between them and Rivals. All you'd done was establish a link between them and Ohio St, but that has nothing to do with Rivals. Fail.

    "Now, stop talking 'frantic and emotional' nonsense and do what I've instructed U to do. Look up major programs' independent sites and see what service they reference when discussing their commitments and recruiting targets."

    Sorry little bro, but it doesn't work that way. The onus of proving YOUR point is on YOU. Not me. So don't tell me to "look it up". Tell me "where to look". Otherwise, it's nothing more than snipe hunt. And for the record, thus far, you have FAILED to produce ANY evidence of "Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Bama, LSU, O$U, Michigan, FSU, OU, Texas, etc..) ha[d] already established what service they reference".

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 17, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    No, what's been established is that no "independent" source has studied anything. NON-independent Eleven Warriors did a ridiculous quasi anecdotal observation.

    Now, stop talking "frantic and emotional" nonsense and do what I've instructed U to do. Look up major programs' independent sites and see what service they reference when discussing their commitments and recruiting targets.

    Don't blame me for making stuff up when U haven't done your "homework", sport. Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Bama, LSU, O$U, Michigan, FSU, OU, Texas, etc..THEY have already established what service they reference, and it ain't Rivals.

    I'm not happy with BYU's recruiting but I understand some of their obstacles. Georgia's recruiting is quite entertaining because they're competing with elite programs for elite athletes, and I love what Kirby Smart is doing. Rivals loves the Dawgs and ranked them the #1 recruiting class last year, but alas everyone, including DawgNation (UGA's independent site) references their #2 ranking by the 247 composite.

    Enjoy your 3-star laden roster. As I've said, Whitt is great at player development, because it isn't his recruiting that's beating USC and Oregon.

    That's a wrap.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 16, 2019 11:36 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    Never had it been established that "no one else" looks at Rivals. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. What HAD been established, is that no independent analysis had ever been conducted that demonstrated any other recruiting service as the "most accurate" other than Rivals. How miserable for you.

    Good luck with your annual "2-star" laden recruiting classes...

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 16, 2019 8:28 p.m.

    Oh brother. BYU's avg ranking in Rivals and 247 is nearly identical from 2010 til now. And I have more important things "keeping me up at night" than doing "homework" on Rival's convoluted ratings formulas and BYU's recruiting lol.

    Now, I really don't care who U follow...if U want to hang onto your analog typewriter and Rivals have at it. No one else does...so trying to convince anyone that follows recruiting that Rivals is more reliable and 11 Warriors "proved" it will fall on deaf ears with any major program (though I see that despite being rightfully instructed there are some people that still don't know what an independent source is, or what reliable research looks like...but we won't go there again: see my explanations in the "3-star recruits Sol-Jay Maiava, Devin Downing commit to BYU football" thread).

    Sooner and one-liner, as always thanks for the thoughtful dialogue my friends, cheers.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 15, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    one liner:

    "The thing about recruiting is, you don't really know until you see the players..."

    The thing is, some independent studies had been done to determine which recruiting sources was the most accurate, and Rivals kept coming out on top. There were NO independent studies that favored 247 or ESPN. And this is the fact that keeps CougsnTeamB up at nights, because the "most accurate" source -- aka, Rivals -- keeps reminding him of how "2-star-heavy" ybU-p's classes are.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    July 15, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    Spot on sooner.

    The thing about recruiting is, you don't really know until you see the players, and often it's years before you realize the boost.

    I don't think that it's a fluke that Utah had it's best year 4 years after it's previous best year in 04 and 08.

    Lilew

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2019 12:20 p.m.

    24x7 > Rivals

    Such silliness. Fans are going to favor whatever makes them look best. If Rivals has BYU ranked higher than 24x7 one year, guess what? "Rivals is the most accurate!".

    AP poll has BYU ranked higher than the Coaches poll? "AP is the best!"

    CFP has never ranked your team? "Its a meaningless poll."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 12, 2019 5:08 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 12, 2019 11:19 a.m.
    Uteology:
    I'M not convincing anyone, it's 247 AND RIVAL'S metrics saying BYU out-recruited U 6 out of 9 years from '02-'10. YOU asked about recruiting...and those two services are definitive proof U didn't out-recruit BYU in the MWC, and THAT was your argument. Period.

    -----

    What are you talking about?!?

    According to Rivals own website thier data shows Utah out recruited BYU except for 2007.

    247 methodology was flawed in ranking BYU talent over that period, which again was proven by on field success.

    All you are doing is putting lipstick on a pig.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 12, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    " I know it hurts but think hard, Lloyd. How embarrassing when the 'village idiot' is still smarter than U."

    Just so that we're clear here, the "village idiot" isn't the one who HAD done his homework. It's the one who admits he "...ha[d]n't researched Rivals that much."

    "I assumed avg star meant adding all the stars together and dividing by the # of recruits..."

    Which is why you're one of the "uneducated" fans that mendenmidmajory was talking about. An "educated" fan would have sought to "understand" the data FIRST...

    ...THEN explain it others. I did that. You did not. Ergo, you ARE the "village idiot" in this equation here.

    "I apologize for being rude but U aren't exactly polite either..."

    So you're blaming ME for YOUR actions? That is so ybU.

    Here's a little advice for ya little bro: You might wanna hold off on any "Dumb & Dumber" barbs when boasting of your ignorance. #NotSmart

    How embarrassing for you.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 12, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    NV:
    No, I haven't researched Rivals that much because, again, no one uses them anymore. I absolutely get how their point system works from your explanation (I also went to their site and looked it up).

    I assumed avg star meant adding all the stars together and dividing by the # of recruits, which seems to be the obvious way of calculating it, but recruiting services never do it the obvious way. They all have some convoluted formula.

    I apologize for being rude but U aren't exactly polite either, and recruiting still doesn't ensure success, coaches "overtly state" that talent is only a fraction of success.

    Now as for research I understand that more data doesn't necessarily mean accurate data. But research will always side with the more robust, representative sample because it will always have a greater probability for accuracy, especially if the source being lauded as "accurate" is biased to players that attend THEIR camps (this has been a huge knock on Rivals for a long time). This is why literally EVERYONE has gone to the 247 composite.

    Now I have work to do, this has wasted too much of my time already. Have a good one.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 12, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    Blue Naval:
    Rival's (YOUR "accurate" source) avg player rating was higher for BYU 6 of 9 seasons during the MWC, and razor thin margins throughout. So DOES the cUtie's record against BYU corroborate Rival's assessment or validate their accuracy? Nope. Look it up, 66% of the time in the MWC, "accurate" Rivals rated BYU players on avg higher than U. Like I said, it will be fun to see how U and Harry reconcile and spin that lol.

    So if BOTH 247 and Rivals state BYU's avg player was better than U 66% of the time, what is your explanation for why Utah won 66% of the time and had more success...could it be coaching, player development like I've said? I know it hurts but think hard, Lloyd. How embarrassing when the "village idiot" is still smarter than U.

    And FWIW, I'm not sure why U think Bronco's assessment of Y fans holds any water or matters to me. His opinion is right up there with yours...nonsense and vacuous. I mean is the opinion of a guy that even U make fun of supposed to hurt our feelings, Lloyd? Lol

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 12, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB (3 of 3):

    So…more math: Imagine two schools with 3 kids each. School A signed a class with one kid who graded out a 5.7, and two kids who’d graded out at 5.4 (aka, the highest grade given a 2-star kid). This class would “average” 2.33 stars per kid. School B signed a class with all three kids grading out at 5.5. This class would “average” 3.00 stars per kid. So which school signed the superior class?

    Answer: Neither. They both signed equal ranked classes. And here’s why…

    A 3-star kid with a 5.7 grade is worth 90-pts. A 3-star kid with a 5.5 grade is worth only 60. And a 5.4 kid is worth 45. So School A = 90 + 45 + 45 = 180-pts. School B = 60 + 60 + 60 = 180-pts.

    And if School C came along and collected a 5.7, 5.5, and 5.4 kid, his class would have:

    1. An average star rating of 2.67
    2.A “point value” of 195

    So School C would have had a higher rated recruiting class than School B, despite the fact that they had the exact same number of kids, but a lower average star rating.

    And for what it’s worth, Rivals also awards additional bonus points to 5-star kids, plus some select 4-star kids.

    You still don't get it, do you?

    #mendenmidmajorWasRightAboutU

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 12, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB (2 of 3):

    But what would happen if Kyle Whittingham decided to only sign the 3-5 star recruits instead? That would have dropped our recruiting class down to only 17 kids, but would have produced a “average star rating” of 3.24. So did that make our recruiting class BETTER? After all, it would have raised our average star rating by 0.5!

    Answer: No. The “26” class collected the exact same 3-5 star recruits. On the flip side, it COULD be argued that by dropping those other nine 0-2 star kids would have actually made our class worse!

    Now let’s take ANOTHER view of Rivals: not all “star” values are equal. For example, with the exception of the 5-star kids, there are a minimum of three different grades. At the 3-star level, you’ll find kids graded out at either 5.5, 5.6, or 5.7. All thee grades are 3-star kids, but the 5.7 kids grade out higher than the 5.6 kids, and the 5.6 kids grade out higher than a 5.5 kid.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 12, 2019 12:57 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB (1 of 3):

    “Oh and while you're at it please inform them that according to their infallible Rivals, BYU had higher avg player ratings (higher avg stars) than Utah 6 of the 9 seasons from '02-'10 as well?”

    It’s obvious that you don’t understand how “statistics” work, nor how Rivals measures athletes. I’ll try to break this down for you in the simplest of terms using REAL data, and REAL examples, but I understand that due to the poor qualify of taught down there in WACistan, it’ll still likely go right over your head.

    Let’s take a look at the 2009 recruiting class. Utah had 26 commitments: one 5-star, two 4-stars, fourteen 3-stars, eight 2-stars, and one 0-star. [71 total stars] ÷ [26 total commits] = 2.73 Avg Stars per recruit.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 12, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    “Sigh. Recruiting doesn't automatically translate to success.”

    We’re talking about a large sample size here. We have nearly 20-yrs of data now! “Recruiting” is a H-U-G-E metric for success. Utah’s record vs. our indy-WACey little brother DOES corroborate Rivals’ assessment of our recruiting classes as the “most accurate” amongst all the recruit rating sources.

    And of course, I’d already proved to you that using the average rating of all the recruit rating sources, does not necessarily produce more accurate predictions. In 247’s case, it produces more skewing. By factoring in “less accurate” assessments into Rivals “most accurate” ones, it ultimately drags Rivals’ “most accurate” figures down.

    Would anyone else like to explain to the village idiot that it’s no coincidence that teams with the higher rated recruiting classes beat the teams with lower rated recruiting classes more consistently than the other way around? I know it should be CFB 101, and even the coaches overtly state that recruiting is the lifeblood of program’s success, but mendenmidmajor didn’t call his former fanbase “uneducated” for nothing ya know…

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 12, 2019 11:36 a.m.

    WildUte:
    "Case in point Eric Weddle 2 star athlete no one really recruited him. Whitt saw someone with pure talent offered a scholarship and Weddle accepted.

    Weddle went on to have an all pro career. But it's not all recruiting. It's all players development something Utah has BYU does not."

    Thank U for proving my point. Player development DOES play just as important, if not more important a role as recruiting doesn't it? And Whit is an excellent player developer which is why now, even with 3 star talent, he has success on the field against 4 and 5 star USC and Oregon.

    So now maybe U can help your buddies understand that even though Utah had more success against BYU in the MWC that doesn't mean they out-recruited BYU, it may be related to Whitt's superior coaching and player development. I see that U get that...now help them get it please.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 12, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    Uteology:
    I'M not convincing anyone, it's 247 AND RIVAL'S metrics saying BYU out-recruited U 6 out of 9 years from '02-'10. YOU asked about recruiting...and those two services are definitive proof U didn't out-recruit BYU in the MWC, and THAT was your argument. Period.

    I'm tired of trying to explain the difference between why/how teams have success on the field and why/how they have success in recruiting. They aren't the same thing, never have been, never will be...it's why a 5 star tanks sometimes and a 3 star becomes an All-American. It's why USC, despite having great recruiting classes has been a dumpster fire for a few years now (poor coaching, poor development, poor chemistry/leadership, or all 3) and UCF is lighting it up.

    So to sum up: YOU asked how BYU recruited against U in the MWC. 247 and Rivals say they recruited very well against U. The end.

    I've now run out of patience. As I suggested, if U still insist U out-recruited BYU, take your case to the recruiting services that say U didn't. I'm sure even the experts won't convince U though, so I'm done banging my head against the wall.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 12, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 11, 2019 11:16 p.m.
    SMH...would anyone else like to explain to Harry and Lloyd that RECRUITING does not always translate to success or accomplishments on the field? Explain to them that a program's recruiting only accounts for a fraction of their success while coaching, development, team chemistry/leadership are just as important, if not more-so.

    ----

    Really? Then why did Utah and TCU dominate MWC and then struggle in P5 leagues?

    Would it be lack of P5 talent and depth?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 12, 2019 9:59 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 11, 2019 11:16 p.m.
    SMH...would anyone else like to explain to Harry and Lloyd that RECRUITING does not always translate to success or accomplishments on the field? Explain to them that a program's recruiting only accounts for a fraction of their success while coaching, development, team chemistry/leadership are just as important, if not more-so. I know it should be CFB 101, and it is to most people but...consider your audience.

    Oh and while you're at it please inform them that according to their infallible Rivals, BYU had higher avg player ratings (higher avg stars) than Utah 6 of the 9 seasons from '02-'10 as well? It will be fun watching them try and spin that since they seem so enamored with a dying recruiting service like Rivals yet they had higher regard for BYU's avg player than their's while in the MWC. Make sure and teach them that avg player rating is actually more accurate for talent since team rankings are biased for how many recruits you sign.

    -----

    Hahaha!

    Instead of trying to convince everyone on how BYU out recruited Urban Meyer and Whitt, you should focus on why BYUs talent under Sitake's is tanking.

    Good luck!

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2019 8:05 a.m.

    Funny Utah had an NFL hall of famer decades before BYU. Utah was just awarded the National Championship this past year Google it. Utah playes with big boys. BYU is used by the big boys to pad their schedule. A team they should beat that can give them a little practice.

    Sure BYU may beat them like Wisconsin but Holmoe will always say the best part of the season is the brief lead over Utah. Drop the game Utah it does nothing for us.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2019 7:49 a.m.

    Recruiting doesn't translate to success? Have watched Whitt recruit and the talent he brings in demonstrates that recruiting does lead to success.

    Case in point Eric Weddle 2 star athlete no one really recruited him. Whitt saw someone with pure talent offered a scholarship and Weddle accepted.

    Weddle went on to have an all pro career. But it's not all recruiting. It's all players development something Utah has BYU does not.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 11, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    SMH...would anyone else like to explain to Harry and Lloyd that RECRUITING does not always translate to success or accomplishments on the field? Explain to them that a program's recruiting only accounts for a fraction of their success while coaching, development, team chemistry/leadership are just as important, if not more-so. I know it should be CFB 101, and it is to most people but...consider your audience.

    Oh and while you're at it please inform them that according to their infallible Rivals, BYU had higher avg player ratings (higher avg stars) than Utah 6 of the 9 seasons from '02-'10 as well? It will be fun watching them try and spin that since they seem so enamored with a dying recruiting service like Rivals yet they had higher regard for BYU's avg player than their's while in the MWC. Make sure and teach them that avg player rating is actually more accurate for talent since team rankings are biased for how many recruits you sign.

    It's exhausting...good luck and thank you.

    "Take your time, (they'll) figure it out"...maybe. Lol!

    I'm done...I don't have the patience :)

  • No Conference Will Take Us Seattle, WA
    July 11, 2019 10:05 p.m.

    matman - Provo, UT
    July 11, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    Don't forget to Check we have a heisman and NFL MVP. Something the utes will never see.
    ===

    Unfortunately, something we will never see is a P5 conference invite.
    Even with all our accomplishments.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 11, 2019 7:57 p.m.

    NV:
    Sigh. Recruiting doesn't automatically translate to success. U can't simply say, "look at how well we did against this team, and that proves we RECRUITED better than them". It may be better coaching and/or player development, as I suggested. In other other words, Utah's record vs BYU in the MWC doesn't prove anything about RECRUITING.

    Georgia vs Florida is a perfect example. Using your Rivals rankings from 2002 to 2018 UGA out-recruited UF 10 times in those 17 years. According to your theory UGA should have been at least 10-7 during that stretch because their superior recruiting should have translated to success against the lizards...but nope, much to my frustration Richt was consistently OUT-COACHED and Georgia's record was 7-10 (-6 games from where your fallacious theory about Rivals should have had them). I've already stipulated that Bronco was also consistently OUT-COACHED by Whit and Patterson imo.

    As for trusting Rivals over 247, like I've said U are entitled to follow who U want. But everyone now (including Eleven Warriors who did your NON-independent farce-of-a-"study") uses 247 because of higher STATISTICAL probability for accuracy. Now the case is closed.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2019 7:32 p.m.

    @Cougarndawgs

    YOU asked how BYU recruited against U in the MWC. I answered that they recruited very well against U and gave evidence from the most trusted and statistically reliable source.

    -----

    No you didn't. You made excuses that Bronco couldn't coach but apparently he out recruit Utah.

    Nonsense! If you could out recruit Utah, you wouldn't have to settle for your 4th HC choice.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2019 7:23 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 11, 2019 11:19 a.m.
    Uteology:
    "You proved 247 was wrong about BYU talent, Rivals was more accurate."

    No, YOU tried (and failed) to prove 247 was wrong based on team success. I then, rightfully, showed U why and how recruiting is only a fraction of the reason programs have success on the field (I used UGA, but USC and Texas are also prime examples of underachievement despite great recruiting).

    ------

    Texas and USC are also power programs, BYU is irrelevant.

    Again, according to Rivals Utah has the better talent every year except 2007.

    According to BCS, Utah was more successful.

    Take your time, you'll figure it out.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 11, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    As you've already been shown, Rivals has been the "most accurate" recruit rating source, as determined by an independent study. And Uteology was correct: Utah's record corroborated Rivals as being the more accurate. Note:

    1. From 2002-2010, while both programs were in the MWC, 247 graded ybU-p's recruiting classes as superior in 6 of the 9 years. But did they go 6-3 (.667) vs. Utah? No. They went 3-6 (.333). Conversely, Rivals graded Utah's classes as the superior program in 8 of the those 9 yrs. And as Utah's had gone 6-3 (.667) head-to-head record, it's clear that Rivals' projection of better athletes signing with the U proved to be the "most accurate" of the two. Edge: Rivals

    And ditto for our post-MWC era...

    2. From 2011-present, after both programs had left the MWC, 247 graded ybU-p's recruiting classes as superior to Utah's in only one offseason (2014). Rivals on the other hand graded Utah's classes as the superior one in every single offseason. And since Utah had never lost to the indy-WACers since 2011, Rivals again proved to be the better judge of the athletes signing with each of their respective schools. Edge: Rivals again.

    Case closed

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 11, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    Uteology:
    "You proved 247 was wrong about BYU talent, Rivals was more accurate."

    No, YOU tried (and failed) to prove 247 was wrong based on team success. I then, rightfully, showed U why and how recruiting is only a fraction of the reason programs have success on the field (I used UGA, but USC and Texas are also prime examples of underachievement despite great recruiting).

    The 247 composite has been the most trusted recruiting source for a while now...for the reasons I've already given. U do realize that their founder and CEO is the guy that founded Rivals and made them great back in the day right? U further realize the composite is including Rival's data from '02-'10 right?

    YOU asked how BYU recruited against U in the MWC. I answered that they recruited very well against U and gave evidence from the most trusted and statistically reliable source. If they recruited at least as well as U in the MWC, they'd probably be closer to U than U want to admit in a P5. History (not biased fantasies) shows they would, and U can't prove otherwise which is why U went on tangents about BCS, CFP, NFL, etc. The question/argument was about RECRUITING...try sticking to the argument please.

  • matman Provo, UT
    July 11, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    @Co Ute

    Don't forget to Check we have a heisman and NFL MVP. Something the utes will never see.

    Oh Detmer put 70 on the utes. We can handle 54.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    July 11, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    Co Ute

    "I see the Coug fanatics out in full force...

    Made up stats like how many 11 win seasons with a top 15 ranking - check.

    As opposed to Utah fans' made up stats like "undefeated seasons" in which U weren't ranked, didn't even win 10 games, and weren't even good enough to be invited to a bowl game.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    July 11, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    @ SnackPak: "Even in a relatively quiet period, for BYU, the Cougars have accomplishments that the Utes have never achieved."

    @ Lester L. Wester: Yes, like being ranked in the National Bottom 10. Utah never has been and never will be "achieving" that.

    Unlike Utah, BYU has NEVER had back-to-back 10-loss seasons.

  • Lester L. Wester Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2019 9:36 a.m.

    SnackPak: "Even in a relatively quiet period, for BYU, the Cougars have accomplishments that the Utes have never achieved."

    Yes, like being ranked in the National Bottom 10. Utah never has been and never will be "achieving" that.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 11, 2019 9:36 a.m.

    Co Ute

    I see the Coug fanatics out in full force checking off all of the accomplishments that Utah has never achieved:

    1984 - check
    1984 BYU Consensus National Champion
    2008 Utah wannabe minor poll leader

    Prediction to beat Utah this year - check
    Why not?

    Alabama lost to Utah because they didn’t care -check
    Simply the truth!

    Actual stats that annoy our jealous little brothers,
    like how many 11 win seasons with a top 15 ranking - check
    BYU - ELEVEN 11+ win seasons
    Utah - TWO 11+ win seasons

  • CO Ute , 00
    July 11, 2019 7:02 a.m.

    I see the Coug fanatics out in full force.
    1984 - check
    Prediction to beat Utah this year - check
    Alabama lost to Utah because they didn’t care -check
    Made up stats like how many 11 win seasons with a top 15 ranking - check
    Call us when you get to the Rose Bowl - check

    Y fans talk a lot. After 9 in a row they will still talk a lot next year. Maybe another 54-10 game will dampen the chatter but I doubt it.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2019 5:26 a.m.

    @cougsndawgs

    I love Richt but he constantly underachieved when the Dawgs were getting top 10 recruiting classes year after year. But even with Bronco's real-time coaching and player development deficiencies BYU still was nationally ranked and won conference championships multiple times from '02-10 (against U and TCU).

    -----

    BYU is nationally irrelevant, 0 BCS wins 0 CFP rankings, losing record vs P5.

    Bronco's coaching deficiencies landed him a $2M raise at Virginia. While BYU's talent took a nose dive with the new Sheriff in Provo.

    Your Team B's recruiting is irrelevant, your Team A isn't a national power.

  • Ldsrm Spanish Fork, UT
    July 11, 2019 4:17 a.m.

    To many people think Byu is losing strath as an independent witch is wrong the fact is that ESPN looks at Byu football as the best choice of Football because besides Nortadame who NBC has you always get a tv odiance for BYU. I think the Utes always are good but fact is the pac 12 network herts the Utes and so the Utes have to hope you’re not on The Pac-12 network very often I think Utah could win 9 or 10 games and not get a Bcs bid because of the opportunity for the voters to see the win is not very Likely. I love to see all the different Utah teams win . The best bet is for the pac 12 network to get ESPN to put them in the ESPN 3 with the other power 3 I say 3 because the Big12-2 didn’t get me started on them . Go BYU Go Utah Go Usu

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2019 12:37 a.m.

    @Cougndawgs

    Maybe Utah didn't "overachieve" as much as BYU underachieved but again that's about coaching not the recruiting.

    -----

    It's both.

    BYU didn't underachieve, they just don't have the coaching or the talent.

    Which expalins why Edwards was ~38% vs P5 and Bronco ~42%. All they did was fest on cupcakes.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2019 12:30 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 10, 2019 9:35 p.m.
    Uteology:
    Again...Utah and TCU had better player development and in-game coaching than BYU had. Did U miss that part of my analysis or just choose to conveniently ignore it? This conversation is addressing how BYU recruited compared to Utah (a topic U brought up). I've shown definitive proof that they at least recruited as well, if not better.

    -------

    No BYU has not out recruited Utah this century, that's just nonsense!

    You proved 247 was wrong about BYU talent, Rivals was more accurate.

    We all agree Utah has better coaches and they do a great job of finding talent and player development.

    Remember when you guys claimed that the new Sheriff in Provo was going to out recruit Utah?

    How that turn out? You can't even out recruit Utah State today.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 10, 2019 9:35 p.m.

    Uteology:
    Again...Utah and TCU had better player development and in-game coaching than BYU had. Did U miss that part of my analysis or just choose to conveniently ignore it? This conversation is addressing how BYU recruited compared to Utah (a topic U brought up). I've shown definitive proof that they at least recruited as well, if not better.

    Maybe Utah didn't "overachieve" as much as BYU underachieved but again that's about coaching not the recruiting. I have said before that I think Whit is one of the best player developers in CFB (as is Patterson). As a frustrated UGA fan during those 9 years I saw first-hand how a subpar coach can keep great recruiting classes from meeting their potential...I love Richt but he constantly underachieved when the Dawgs were getting top 10 recruiting classes year after year. But even with Bronco's real-time coaching and player development deficiencies BYU still was nationally ranked and won conference championships multiple times from '02-10 (against U and TCU).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 9:14 p.m.

    @Cougndawgs

    Also, it's interesting to observe TCU's profile during 2002-2010. Again razor thin margins with BYU and Utah in both avg player ratings and class rankings. They had a lot of success also, but again Patterson was a better in game coach and developer than Bronco imho. It shouldn't be a shock then, that these 3 programs ruled the MWC during that time frame (all 9 MWC CCs). If anything this PROVES the accuracy of the composite as all other MWC teams weren't close to these 3.

    ---------

    So? Without Edwards BYU would still be a high school team.

    Kyle Whittingham rejected BYU twice for a reason, limited talent pool. He would never achieve the same success at BYU, which is why Sitake was your 4th choice.

    No, BYU was not on par with Utah and TCU in the MWC. Those teams were the only 2 G5 schools to auto qualify for BCS with a Top 6 ranking. BYU never finished higher than 14.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 6:10 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 10, 2019 3:46 p.m.
    Uteology:
    "Yet they were dead wrong about incoming BYU talent, see NFL draft picks and on the field success."

    Not really...if U look at the profiles of BYU and Utah from 2002-2010, they are very close. Both programs had a reasonable amount of success in terms of conference championships and national rankings. Utah probably overachieved on the field busting the BCS twice, but that had as much to do with good coaching and player development as talent (something impossible for recruiting services to evaluate prior to a kid signing).

    -------

    Utah overachieved?

    Nonsense!

    Utah was on par with Boise and TCU as far as national success. Proven by the fact that all three had a winning record vs P5 teams.

    BYU had a losing record vs P5, which is why BYU couldn't even match Hawaii's success.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    July 10, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    @Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah

    "BYU has beaten big name teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin and many others."
    ---------------------
    Who are the "many others" since 2006? Any of them FINISH ranked?

    BYU's thing is to beat bad teams and call it success.

    Ironically, you are proving this narrative to be true.

    NOT one of those "names" listed finished the season ranked the yr. BYU beat them. Not one!!

    But, congrats I guess? Those were some mediocre teams, honestly.

    i.e. BYU beats bad teams and ya'll count it as success.

    Since 06', Utah has beaten 12 teams who finished ranked:

    Big names like Alabama (finished #6), Stanford (#10), Michigan (#12), USC twice (#3, #24), Oregon (#19), TCU (#7), Oregon State (#18), etc.

    Since 06', Utah beat 4 teams who finished top 10.

    BYU beat one team in history, who finished top 10. #3 Miami. Utah beat #3 USC in 2016.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 10, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "Yet they were dead wrong about incoming BYU talent, see NFL draft picks and on the field success."

    Not really...if U look at the profiles of BYU and Utah from 2002-2010, they are very close. Both programs had a reasonable amount of success in terms of conference championships and national rankings. Utah probably overachieved on the field busting the BCS twice, but that had as much to do with good coaching and player development as talent (something impossible for recruiting services to evaluate prior to a kid signing).

    I don't believe Bronco was as good at player development or in-game adjustments as Urban or Whit (I didn't despise Bronco but I wasn't a big fan either).

    Also, it's interesting to observe TCU's profile during 2002-2010. Again razor thin margins with BYU and Utah in both avg player ratings and class rankings. They had a lot of success also, but again Patterson was a better in game coach and developer than Bronco imho. It shouldn't be a shock then, that these 3 programs ruled the MWC during that time frame (all 9 MWC CCs). If anything this PROVES the accuracy of the composite as all other MWC teams weren't close to these 3.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2019 3:38 p.m.

    "Even in a relatively quiet period, for BYU, the Cougars have accomplishments that the Utes have never achieved."

    SnackWAC:

    I hope the Utes NEVER have 11+ win seasons with virtually NOTHING to show for it, no top-tier bowl games, no P5 invite, no CFP rankings, no national respect.

    Yeah, coogs can have those (non)accomplishments. How proud you are of nothing.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 10, 2019 3:22 p.m.

    ArizonaUte - SLC, UT
    July 9, 2019 11:19 p.m.
    @BlueCoug - Provo, UT

    “What has BYU done in the last 2 decades?”

    BYU has had more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons since 2006,

    than Utah has had in their entire history.

    BYU has beaten big name teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin and many others.

    Even in a relatively quiet period, for BYU, the Cougars have accomplishments that the Utes have never achieved.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    "So Ylyou think non-LDS players, in particular Aferican American players, will be lining up to play at a religious P5 school in Provo, Utah?"

    We just got 2 RBs that fit the bill.

    To your answer, in general no. If it's BYU or Utah for the average recruit I think Utah gets them 9 times out of 10.

    There are 60+ P5 teams and one BYU - a small minority of those players like BYU more, what does Utah have to really set itself apart from other schools?

    By the way - the constant mention of black players not wanting to go to BYU is racist. It's making assumptions about those players and their wants and desires based on race.

    BYU offers something different to anybody looking for it, and while most aren't looking for that many are.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 2:53 p.m.

    Thin Blue Line - ,
    July 10, 2019 11:05 a.m.
    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 10:29 a.m.
    "BYU in P5 league will not be able to build the required depth to compete without African American players.

    BYU will not be able to consistently attract players like Moss, Huntley, and Jaylon Johnson. I can't recall when they ever did, even under Edwards.'

    I don't think any team could compete as well by limiting who they would recruit and welcome on their campus. It's a good thing BYU's football team is represented by all ethnicities and beliefs.

    -----

    So Ylyou think non-LDS players, in particular Aferican American players, will be lining up to play at a religious P5 school in Provo, Utah?

    Who do you think you are, Notre Dame of the West?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 10, 2019 12:31 p.m.
    Uteology/NV/Thin Blue Line:
    Not again...sigh. 247 composite is the most referenced service now, and they've compiled data for all recruiting services that existed back to 2002. Because they use exponentially more data and analysts from all industry evaluations (including Rivals), creating a more robust and representative sample, they have a higher statistical probability for accuracy (yes it's true that more data doesn't necessarily mean more accurate, but research always sides with the statistical probability).

    ------

    Yet they were dead wrong about incoming BYU talent, see NFL draft picks and on the field success.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 10, 2019 1:01 p.m.

    lets be honest hear, Utah don't stand no chance on when they play byu. This year the refs wont make us loose this time.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 10, 2019 12:31 p.m.

    Uteology/NV/Thin Blue Line:
    Not again...sigh. 247 composite is the most referenced service now, and they've compiled data for all recruiting services that existed back to 2002. Because they use exponentially more data and analysts from all industry evaluations (including Rivals), creating a more robust and representative sample, they have a higher statistical probability for accuracy (yes it's true that more data doesn't necessarily mean more accurate, but research always sides with the statistical probability).

    EVERYONE references the 247 composite. Go to any big time program's recruiting specialists...they all reference the composite because they, like any good scientist, researcher, or mathematician, recognize it's higher probability for accuracy.

    247 Composite 2002-2010:
    BYU ranked higher than Utah 6 out of 9 seasons
    BYU's avg player rating was higher than Utah's 5 out of 9 seasons

    Since going independent BYU's avg player rating and ranking have both diminished (sorry TBL), while Utah's has improved on both counts. That is according to the most robust and comprehensive recruiting data in existence today. Period

  • Italian Ute , 00
    July 10, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    @ the Oatmeal

    "Utah has a good team, but they cannot come out slow against BYU or my cougs will beat them in Provo."

    Did you miss last years game?

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    "I look forward to having both of you back in the fold!
    The more I think about the upcoming game on Aug 29, the more convinced I become that we not only will beat the Utes but that the game won’t even be close."

    IrrelevantForever:

    Interesting that you take up U-H's and HuskyVa's offer, but fail to reciprocate. How about you promise to not post for a whole year if your annual, grandiose prediction about the game fails, again?

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    July 10, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 10:29 a.m.
    "BYU in P5 league will not be able to build the required depth to compete without African American players.

    BYU will not be able to consistently attract players like Moss, Huntley, and Jaylon Johnson. I can't recall when they ever did, even under Edwards.'

    I don't think any team could compete as well by limiting who they would recruit and welcome on their campus. It's a good thing BYU's football team is represented by all ethnicities and beliefs. I hope your definitions of people and their abilities is not so narrow and judgmental as your comment would lead to believe.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    BYU in P5 league will not be able to build the required depth to compete without African American players.

    BYU will not be able to consistently attract players like Moss, Huntley, and Jaylon Johnson. I can't recall when they ever did, even under Edwards.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    Roughly half the comments are about Utah winning 10 games, which is impressive.

    But the Utah "fans" are more interested in BYU's prediction than their own.

    I know a lot of Utah fans who love football - the boys in this room aren't a good sampling of Utah fans, very few seem to really care about the sport, most are here to put others down. Hence they forget about the Utah prediction and just attack anything and everything byu. 🏈

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    July 10, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    The formula takes each game individually. Oklahoma sooner wants to play coulda, woulda, shoulda, but that knife cuts both ways. As to the QB rant, all rational football fans could see that Mangum was not the guy and was never going to be the guy. Not as a freshman, sophomore junior or senior. The only question after Hill graduated was did BYU have somebody on their team that was the guy. Turns out they do.

    I expect there will be some growing pains when he plays some tough teams with tough defenses. But isn't Utah a tough team with a tough defense? How'd he do against them? Other than that ill advised pick 6 I think pretty good.

    As a realistic BYU fan, I think they go 1-3 in the first 4 and 7-1 with the back 8. I think ESPN has it right.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    ESPN's FPI is a formula for all college football teams, so it cannot take into account a special, backwards program like BYU. Front-loaded schedule, easy back end.

    An 0-4 start followed by 8 wins fits the formula, but BYU is not immune to momentum. As much as you tell yourself "we have a tough opening opponents", losing still affects the spirit. Players begin to doubt themselves, and before you know it, they've unexpectedly lost to Toledo or UMass.

    The FPI formula needs to be tweaked with consideration for typical Indy BYU.
    High hopes for the QB who had a great bowl game against a nothing opponent.
    Ending September with calls for a new starter, as the QB "failed" the gauntlet.
    "Should have started all along" as the 2nd QB has a solid win against a struggling G5.
    Calls for the 3rd QB when the 2nd QB drops a game against a struggling G5.
    Renewed hope when the 2nd QB aces the weak November schedule.
    "Next year!" as the 2nd QB has a great bowl game against a nothing opponent.
    Repeat.

    BYU gets 1 of the first 4, but drops 3 in the back 8.

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    July 10, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    You are mistaken. It was Utah who'd been out-recruiting your BYU while back in the MWC. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, we'd out-recruited BYU in every offseason but one since 2002."

    Naval is correct.

    Per Rivals this century BYU only out recruited Utah in 2007.

    The last 10 years in the MWC Utah's average recruiting ranking was around 60 while BYU's was around 70.

    Since leaving the MWC Utah's average recruiting ranking was around 40 while BYU's remained around 70.

    Two false statements commonly made:
    1. Independence has hurt BYU's recruiting. False. It has remained the same and actually was averaging 10 points higher at 60 until the last 2 years when we came in at 94 and 100+.
    2. Utah and BYU have remained close in recruiting ranking since leaving the MWC. False. Utah has improved their ranking by 20 points while BYU has remained the same.

    The PAC 12 has had a huge impact on Utah recruiting. It is true that BYU's recruiting is hamstrung by the honor code among other things, it could be argued that their recruiting numbers would rise at the same rate as Utah, but that would still put BYU 10 points below Utah.

    It is what it is folks.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 10, 2019 2:01 a.m.

    While a BYU fan, I think ESPN has USU's numbers all wrong. The Aggies will be tough to beat. Gary Anderson is a great coach. I predict USU goes bowling this season.

    Now let me put on my blue goggles. I have a feeling Tennessee will not find BYU as big of a cupcake as this prediction. Yeah, they are SEC, but someone is putting a finger on the scale there.

    Utah has a good team, but they cannot come out slow against BYU or my cougs will beat them in Provo.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 10, 2019 1:03 a.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    You are mistaken. It was Utah who'd been out-recruiting your "Band of Small-Ballers" while back in the MWC. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, we'd out-recruited you little bros in every offseason but one since 2002.

    Huge edge: Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 10:14 p.m.
    Uteology:
    "No you wouldn't, with a limited talent pool is why no one wants to coach at BYU.

    How did you do when we were both in the MWC?"

    BYU recruited better than U most of the time in the MWC. Since 2002, in the 9 recruiting classes up to 2010 before the Pac12, BYU had higher rated classes 6 out of those 9 years (and interestingly 3 out of the 4 most recent years before U left).

    ------

    Not according to Rivals, BYU only had one class in 2007 that was better than Utah since 2002.

    The talent disparity was proven on the field with 2 BCS wins, more NFL talent, and head-to-head wins (Utah is 7-3 at LES).

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    July 9, 2019 11:23 p.m.

    @HuskyVa: “If BYU goes undefeated this year, I will not only rejoin the church, I will fly out to wherever you live and let you dunk me, for surely there is a Mormon God if BYU survives that front-loaded schedule.”

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum: “I will also rejoin the LDS Church, as I had my name taken off the records three decades ago, and I will pay DOUBLE tithes for the rest of my life if BYu beats Utah this season. Mark me whY fans.......I will, with honor and honesty!”

    I look forward to having both of you back in the fold!

    The more I think about the upcoming game on Aug 29, the more convinced I become that we not only will beat the Utes but that the game won’t even be close. Our d-line is underrated and will overwhelm your o-line (a real Achilles heel for you), especially with a transformed, faster and stronger Khyiris Tonga on the field. However, the biggest difference will be QB play. Zach Wilson simply is a tier above any of Utah’s QBs. Utah should have plenty of offensive confusion for the first game since a new offense is being installed.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    July 9, 2019 11:19 p.m.

    @BlueCoug - Provo, UT

    What has BYU done in the last 2 decades?

    I know the last decade has been pretty darn bad by most any metric.

    NOT single seasons, we are talking decades.

    The trend line on this "Independence" experiment is not pretty. It's not working and why ya'll think a G5 conf. is worse if beyond most rational people.

    The $$ just isn't good enough for the damage.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 10:14 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "No you wouldn't, with a limited talent pool is why no one wants to coach at BYU.

    How did you do when we were both in the MWC?"

    BYU recruited better than U most of the time in the MWC. Since 2002, in the 9 recruiting classes up to 2010 before the Pac12, BYU had higher rated classes 6 out of those 9 years (and interestingly 3 out of the 4 most recent years before U left).

    I know Utah fans have this comfy narrative about how BYU wouldn't be able to recruit as well as U in a P5, but history says otherwise (history of recruiting when Lavell wasn't there). I do agree their talent pool is more limited, but there are many LDS players that were highly rated where there was a decent chance they go to a P5 BYU.

    Yes, independence has been awful for BYU's competitiveness and recruiting, even if it hasn't been awful financially and for fans who have been able to attend road games everywhere. BYU athletics feels like a ship without a rudder right now, I'm sorry to say. Thanks Holmoe.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 9, 2019 9:48 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “Utah won 22 games from 2003-2004 with an undefeated season in 2004. THEN.....
    Utah went undefeated AGAIN in 2008. Utah had 2 perfect season in 5 yrs.”

    BYU 1979-1984
    One Consensus National Championship
    #1 AP; #1 Coaches
    Four Heisman Top 3
    Five 11+ win, Top 12
    Six Conference Championships
    24-game winning streak
    Five AP Top 20

    Utah 2003-2008
    Zero Consensus National Championships
    #2 AP; #4 Coaches
    Zero Heisman Top 3
    Two 11+ win, Top 12
    Three Conference Championships
    16-game winning streak
    Two AP Top 20

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 9:29 p.m.

    Uteology:
    I hope Utah has more realistic targets because they aren't getting 5 star guys like Milton and Robinson (not trying to dis, just stating the facts). I predict Milton to UGA and Robinson to O$U, barring any unforeseen hiccups. Who has Utah offered that is more realistic?

    I know they've offered Sam Adams, Bradford, Hubbard but little interest from those guys. Maybe JoJuan Collins? He would be a nice get for Utah, 3 star guy, lots of upside.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 9:29 p.m.

    Food for thought cougars!

    "BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule. They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself."

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    July 9, 2019 9:13 p.m.

    So wait, these people have the cougs, the same cougs that have been outclassed in every facet of the game from the opening kickoff against the Ags the past 2 seasons, heavily favored to win? Dude, we got a coaching UPGRADE this year. We will roll again this year at the Mav

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 8:52 p.m.

    Google "The 20 Most Undeserving National Champions in College Football History"

    Go ahead. It will be fun!

  • top of the world ,
    July 9, 2019 8:45 p.m.

    Ahhh, I can hardly wait for Halloween. By then the season will be better than half over and all the ghosts and goblins who haunt these threads will be better informed. Well, perhaps not all of them. Some are so stuck in the mire of bias they will never change. But how fun it will be to read the articles as the year progresses. See you all.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    July 9, 2019 8:34 p.m.

    Since 1936, the ONLY requirement for winning the AP major college football national championship is convincing the majority of voters that you are the most deserving team to be voted #1.

    BYU did that convincingly in 1984.

    Utah didn’t even come close in 2008.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 7:27 p.m.

    @one

    Being in a P5 would give BYU a boost in recruiting - how they would do is up to speculation - but it's very reasonable to think that they would be similar to Utah. Any other prediction would be biased for or against BYU.

    -----

    No you wouldn't, with a limited talent pool is why no one wants to coach at BYU.

    How did you do when we were both in the MWC?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 7:23 p.m.

    @one liner - Dallas, TX

    I spoke to a potential RB recruit a few days ago, offers are piling in, he's looking at Utah (pre-offer) and while he's not fond of BYU his mom said "look, the reality is that if BYU offers he's obviously going to BYU".

    Don't extend your personal bias to all people, 88% of students accepted to both schools choose BYU.

    ------

    Like in 2019:
    Sataoa Laumea
    Simote Pepa
    Sione Vaki
    Junior Tafuna
    Falcon Kaumatule
    Chase Robert's
    Blake Freeland

    5 of 7 (71%) chose Utah.

    Who was the RB recruite you talked to? Kendall Milton? Bijan Robinson?

    Who were you talking to since Utah has 0 offers to RBs in Dallas or Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 7:01 p.m.

    one liner - Dallas, TX
    July 9, 2019 5:53 p.m.
    "Utah is a Top 25 P5 program, with a limited talent pool BYU would be a bottom feeder in a P5 league."

    We get that BYU is not for you, or perhaps you were not for BYU - it doesn't matter which one.

    -----

    Yes it does matter, just like with the PAC-10, BYU does is not for me, it does not meet my standards.

  • top of the world ,
    July 9, 2019 6:11 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum. 'Too many Y fans running their yappers again'. Hee, hee, hee, har, har...oh, my poor stomach is getting sore. You are the greatest thing since synthetic turf. I absolutely love your comments. SNL, here he comes. You'll adore this gal. By the way, getting back to the article, ESPN is still the best in the business. The part of this article that is way off is the rating they have given the Aggies, my second favorite State of Utah team. And if the Y wins eight this year I will slide all the way down the mountain on my tummy. Utah winning ten is an okay guess, though I think they are capable of running the table. I can't see the other PAC teams being rated above them. That is surprising. Washington has a new qb for the first time in four years. I think the Utes win in Seattle.

    By the end of September we'll know much more than we do now. Can hardly wait for it all to begin.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 5:58 p.m.

    "Notre Dame wins 12TH straight national title in graduation based on 2018 NCAA graduation success rate numbers"

    Try winning that National Championship while at the same time beating Alabama or Clemson.

  • top of the world ,
    July 9, 2019 5:56 p.m.

    Uteology...I would not be the least bit annoyed at being a 'bottom feeder' in a conference such as the PAC. Utah was exactly that for several years and I have no doubt in my mind that the Y would rise at least as rapidly as Utah did. I personally feel the Utes have done exceptionally well since joining the PAC and I expect them to continue on the upward swing as long as Coach Whit remains. Basketball...that's another story.

    I'll root for the Y at all times and in all places...how the other schools, such as Utah State and Utah fare does not alter that stance. I look for the Utes to be outstanding this season. I hope my second favorite state of Utah school, Ut State, rings up a great season as well.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    July 9, 2019 5:53 p.m.

    "Utah is a Top 25 P5 program, with a limited talent pool BYU would be a bottom feeder in a P5 league."

    We get that BYU is not for you, or perhaps you were not for BYU - it doesn't matter which one.

    While BYU is unique, there are a lot of students who enjoy it being unique. Whittingham says that some guys are simply going to be BYU guys and there is nothing he can do to try and get them. There are, of course some guys who aren't every going to be BYU guys.

    I spoke to a potential RB recruit a few days ago, offers are piling in, he's looking at Utah (pre-offer) and while he's not fond of BYU his mom said "look, the reality is that if BYU offers he's obviously going to BYU".

    Don't extend your personal bias to all people, 88% of students accepted to both schools choose BYU.

    Being in a P5 would give BYU a boost in recruiting - how they would do is up to speculation - but it's very reasonable to think that they would be similar to Utah. Any other prediction would be biased for or against BYU.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 5:51 p.m.

    Mike:
    "I will also rejoin the LDS Church, as I had my name taken off the records three decades ago, and I will pay DOUBLE tithes for the rest of my life if BYu beats Utah this season."

    Are you sure, buddy? God works in mysterious ways...

    I can see your first bishop's interview: "look man, I just lost a bet ok...here's my check, no hometeachers please (though it's called ministering now lol), and the only calling I'll accept will be the stake athletic director, and I want a full pardon from wagering (I have to ask for that pardon as well lol)". Haha! Make sure and invite me to your baptism, Bro Romney, I will absolutely be there!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    July 9, 2019 5:48 p.m.

    @one liner - Dallas, TX

    "they changed the rules after BYU won by beating a 6-5 Michigan team."
    ----------------
    Nope. Changed after 1991. Not 1984. Then changed again after Utah busted the BCS as the first ever non-AQ to do it. Then changed again with the inception of "P5" and the CFP.

    "BYU won because they kept winning. Utah wasn't so fortunate in their perfect seasons for 2 reasons:"

    "1 - they had a perfect season, not a dynasty run like BYU had
    2 - other teams had great years also, unlike BYU who wound up being basically alone in terms of wins"
    ------------------------

    Utah won 22 games from 2003-2004 with an undefeated season in 2004. THEN.....
    Utah went undefeated AGAIN in 2008. Utah had 2 perfect season in 5 yrs.

    BYU has gone undefeated 1 time ever, never to do it again. Hmmm....

    It's not like the Natty was a long time coming for BYU. These are facts you can look up.

    BYU's first EVER season ranked was 1977 and didn't finish ranked in 1978. Didn't finish ranked in 1982 but won the Natty in 1984. Is that what you call "a dynasty run"?

    BYU has gone 20-19 the last 3 yrs. With a current decade of not finishing ranked in the AP.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 5:41 p.m.

    @Blue Husky

    " I taught at Yale, and frankly, BYU students are probably more competitive than Yale students are."

    "Notre Dame wins 12TH straight national title in graduation based on 2018 NCAA graduation success rate numbers"

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 5:27 p.m.

    @Bluehusky

    I like BYU because I'm LDS, my daughter graduated from BYU, and I attended BYU in my freshman year. They were famous inspite of their lowly conference affiliation. Could BYU compete in a P5 conference? Of course they could. They would be at least middle tier, like Utah, so far.

    ------

    vs P5 in MWC:
    * Utah 65%
    * BYU 42%

    Utah is a Top 25 P5 program, with a limited talent pool BYU would be a bottom feeder in a P5 league.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 5:22 p.m.

    BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 9, 2019 3:10 p.m.
    @ the Gentleman who commented on my first post.

    I don't follow Utah anything, so I can be forgiven for forgetting that the Alabama bowl win followed a very good year for Utah. But as I do recall, Utah was still a WAC member, not a mythical power 5 team, since that fraud has been much more recent.

    ------

    Utah was in the WAC in 2008?

    No, WAC was the Tier 3 conference BYU tried to join before it imploded in 2010.

    Utah is a fraud P5 team?

    Not according to CFP:

    #5 LSU 26
    #6 Utah 24

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 4:47 p.m.

    @ blue husky

    “I taught at Yale, and frankly, BYU students are probably more competitive than Yale students are.”

    And I’ve taught at Harvard, and the University of Utah students are as bright, ambitious, and drive as any of the Harvard students are.

    “So humor me. I just don’t care about the (University of Utah). I care about UW and BYU. No offense.”

    No offense take. And I don’t care about BYU and their rudderless voyage in independence. They really are no longer relevant in college sports. I would prefer to support the University of Utah, a school and program that is going in the right direction in a Power 5 (relevant) conference.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    July 9, 2019 4:35 p.m.

    "they changed the rules after BYU won by beating a 6-5 Michigan team."

    BYU won because nobody could say why they shouldn't have won.

    Too many other teams lost and BYU hadn't lost a game in 25 games. Other teams were sanctioned and had scandals and a litany of issues making BYU the clear choice.

    Washington declined the game and instead played BYU the following season - and got throttled. Although we can't say with assurance that Washington would have lost a bowl game to BYU in 1984, in 1985 BYU showed that Washington was not major competition.

    BYU won because they kept winning. Utah wasn't so fortunate in their perfect seasons for 2 reasons:

    1 - they had a perfect season, not a dynasty run like BYU had
    2 - other teams had great years also, unlike BYU who wound up being basically alone in terms of wins

    The polling system was always suspect to issues, the BCS wasn't to fix a broken system but to allow big schools to keep the big money to themselves. The CFP is the same thing, it's a broken system even more broken but with more money.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 9, 2019 3:44 p.m.

    utah coyote

    "they changed the rules after BYU won by beating a 6-5 Michigan team."

    NOPE!

    They changed the rules after back-to-back split national championships in 1990 and 1991 spurred finding a way to match the #1 and #2 teams in a bowl.

    Before then, major conference champions were locked into separate bowls.

    Top 5 Washington and Nebraska were both invited to play #1 BYU, but both chose to play lower ranked teams in 1984.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 9, 2019 3:10 p.m.

    @ the Gentleman who commented on my first post.

    I don't follow Utah anything, so I can be forgiven for forgetting that the Alabama bowl win followed a very good year for Utah. But as I do recall, Utah was still a WAC member, not a mythical power 5 team, since that fraud has been much more recent.

    The fact is that even with the championship "tournament" it is very possible that some non-p5 team is as good or better than the ones in the tournament. Boise State comes to mind. That BSU game vs Oklahoma was one of the best I've ever seen.

    I like BYU because I'm LDS, my daughter graduated from BYU, and I attended BYU in my freshman year. They were famous inspite of their lowly conference affiliation. Could BYU compete in a P5 conference? Of course they could. They would be at least middle tier, like Utah, so far.

    I don't approve of BYU's juvenile "honor code" because of silliness of beards etc. but I gave a scientific seminar there and was impressed. I taught at Yale, and frankly, BYU students are probably more competitive than Yale students are.

    So humor me. I just don't care about UU. I do care about UW and BYU. No offense.

  • NeilT Harrisville, UT
    July 9, 2019 3:05 p.m.

    USU will win more than 5 games guaranteed if BYU wins 8 it'll be a great season

  • Chocolate Snob Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    Go Utes!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 9, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 12:52 p.m.
    @ Ufan,

    “I really don't care where Utah finished in 2008. They whooped on 12-0 SEC regular season undefeated Alabama coached by the legendary Nick Saban. Utah was a factor that year pal and they soooooo proved that fact.”

    bwahaha

    Don’t fool yourself...

    U absolutely do care where Utah finished,

    but unfortunately for U,

    NO team finishing #7 regular season,

    has EVER risen to #1 in the final polls.

    The Utes finished a DISTANT SECOND in ONE poll and FOURTH in the other.

    Sorry, pal, but despite your desperate spin,

    Utah has NEVER been a legitimate national championship contender...

    EVER!



    btw, Alabama couldn’t have cared less about playing the mid-major Utes in an also-ran bowl.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 2:14 p.m.

    So now you want to go back to before the CFP "cartel" existed? All I know is that Clemson was the only undefeated team and won the national championship by smoking two other undefeated teams, and not because they beat a 6-5 team.

    Manti was looking for his girlfriend. What a joke that was.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 9, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    "How many times has Notre Dame played in the CFP?"

    I think they showed up for pregame warmups and went home one time. Not sure if that counts. You're conveniently forgetting that BCS championship game against Alabama. That too was a doozy, but wasn't Manti Teo dealing with some personal "tragedy" at that time. He certainly played like it.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    @Steve
    "Yes, being voted unanimous #1 "

    That's not true. The voting wasn't unanimous. BYU played only one opponent that even made a bowl game. Only 2 of their opponents even finished the season with winning records. One at 7-4, the other 6-5. There were plenty of votes for Washington in both the AP and coaches polls. The voting was far from unanimous.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs,

    You always speak facts. Utah has a chance this year is about all. As U stated.......UW has way better players and has Utah's #. They always beat us. DARN IT! Utah will lose to UDub in Seattle......as we both know.

    I'm studying UGA......they could bring it this year!

    Also, too many Y fans running their yappers again. Utah will beat the tar out of BYu again.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    UT-UH Alum-Mike:
    "I wanna bet that 50k to 1 wager on BYu going undefeated. Just thunk dear brother.......one $100 dollar bill = $5 million? I'll take that bet! HAHA!"

    Haha! Indeed it's tempting and you know as well as I do that these odds make big bucks for the book. Because they know people like you and me will lay down that Benjamin for the chance at the jackpot haha! Let's do it!

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    July 9, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    To utha fans who claim BYU never won a NC in football or that is doesn't really count (so desperate, but probably the same people who think the USA never went to the moon in 1969), please feel free to stop by our football offices to see our NC trophy. It's really shiny. Yes, being voted unanimous #1 in all three major polls at the time really did happen. And so did the moon landing. Have a nice day utha fans.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    65TPT:
    "No way does Utah lose to UW - come on. UW will be breaking in a new quarterback and Peterson isn't the "quarterback whisperer" that everyone thinks."

    I'm pretty sure we've been over this before haven't we? Jacob Eason is not new...he played an entire season as a freshman at Georgia and the guy can sling it...far better passer than the annually overrated Browning. You're a Y fan...why can't you at least be as realistic as most U fans, c'mon! Lol

    UW may not be champs like last year, but that will have more to do with all the other positions where they lost talent, not at QB. And Utah has been historically bad against the Huskies and there's nothing thus far to suggest that won't continue (UW has out-recruited Utah as well so just because they don't have some guys coming back doesn't mean they don't have depth and talent to fill those holes). Just my opinion, but I don't see Utah getting a W in Seattle.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    @ Ufan,

    I really don't care where Utah finished in 2008. They whooped on 12-0 SEC regular season undefeated Alabama coached by the legendary Nick Saban. Utah was a factor that year pal and they soooooo proved that fact. I don't care one iota if they finished #2 or #22. I know YBu has NEVER been any factor on the national stage in football and basketball. U live wit dat, saint.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 12:38 p.m.

    "How many times does Notre Dame have to be demolished in the CFP for the cartel to realize that they simply are not good enough to play on the big stage?"

    How many times has Notre Dame played in the CFP? The one CFP game that they played in they were demolished by 27 points by a team that went on to demolish Alabama by 28 points. Did Alabama belong in that game?

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    July 9, 2019 12:30 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red - Miami Beach, FL
    July 9, 2019 8:03 a.m.

    "0-4 to start the season.

    It's gonna be so fun to watch the meltdown. Can't wait!"

    Actually if BYU starts 0-4, but wins the rest as ESPN predicts, there will be no meltdown and I think most rational BYU fans will feel it has been a big step forward.

    I actually think BYU will start 1-3, but still finish 8-4 with a split with the two in-state schools.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    ute-bwahaha

    What struggling Utah fans choose to ignore, is that the very same AP writers whom U are desperately trying to minimize as being nothing but a

    “collection of folks, many very old, no longer working, and they all talk to their former working buddies from decades ago, never watch a game, then cast a ballot”

    are the very same writers that voted Utah #2 in 2008.

    It’s hilarious how some fans only consider rankings to be valid when they agree with the distorted views of those living under the crimson bubble.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 9, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    "I will also rejoin the LDS Church, as I had my name taken off the records three decades ago, and I will pay DOUBLE tithes for the rest of my life if BYu beats Utah this season. Mark me whY fans.......I will, with honor and honesty!"

    You're on Judge Smails!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs,

    I hear ya big dawg! I wanna bet that 50k to 1 wager on BYu going undefeated. Just thunk dear brother.......one $100 dollar bill = $5 million? I'll take that bet! HAHA!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 9, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    The Utes have the CFP in the bag unless of course the CFP cartel chooses to replace them with the under-achieving and over-rated Notre Dame Irish. How many times does Notre Dame have to be demolished in the CFP for the cartel to realize that they simply are not good enough to play on the big stage?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 12:00 p.m.

    What struggling Blue Coug chooses to forget, is that AP writers are a collection of folks, many very old, no longer working, and they all talk to their former working buddies from decades ago, never watch a game, then cast a ballot. I've met and worked with a gazillion AP guys shooting pics for over 3 decades in most major championship sports. Heck, I can't even keep up with PAC-12 games and who is gonna win and that is my concentration because I'm a Ute!!!!!

    That is why the newfangled CFP exists as of today.......a legit process where all voting members must watch all games and they are QUALIFIED to perform that difficult task.

    YBu football in 1984 was a significant, totally bogus gift is all........AND, college football changed drastically due to that hapless crime that tarnished college athletics. Well, I feel glad today.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 9, 2019 11:53 a.m.

    No way does Utah lose to UW - come on. UW will be breaking in a new quarterback and Peterson isn't the "quarterback whisperer" that everyone thinks. Jake Browning was no better as a senior than he was as a freshman. Utah wins this game going away.

  • Simple Holladay, UT
    July 9, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    @ coog baloney “she never said BYU-P....because it doesn't exist”

    from Forbes : "Brigham Young University - Provo is a private university in Provo, UT founded in 1875. It is the sister school of BYU-Idaho and BYU-Hawaii and it has a satellite campus in Salt Lake City. "

    BYU - Provo may never self reference as BYU-P but the rest of the world does. Living out of state, people ask the question.. "where are you going to school?" kid answers: "BYU". Followup: "Oh, which one?" Reply: "Provo".

    But I think some Utah fans would be grateful if it stop existing. ;-)

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2019 11:38 a.m.

    "BYU will go unbeaten this year."

    I'll have whatever he's having.

  • mabramso Orem, UT
    July 9, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    BYU has a tough schedule up front, but 3 of 4 are at home, and over the past decade, they have a history of coming out of the gate playing pretty well. So I think they probably go 1-3 in their first 4, 2-2 if they are fortunate. I would put BYU's chances at 45% vs. Utah, 40% at Tennessee, 50% vs. USC, and 40% vs. Washington. And I expect all 4 games to be close.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 9, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    Gored

    “First off, do you see the blatant undermining of your own argument with what you have just said? Because it was the opinions of sports writers back in 1984 that awarded BYU the “national championship”.”

    Don’t kid yourself.

    EVERY national championship has been, in part, decided by the personal opinions of Coaches and Sportswriters.

    Without convincing the majority of voters in each poll that you’re a serious contender, a team has ZERO chance of winning a national championship.

    BYU 1984 was ranked #1 in both final regular season major polls.

    BYU got there by finishing in the Top 12 five of six seasons, including #7 in 1983.

    Utah 2008 was ranked #7.

    The Utes weren’t even ranked from 2005 to 2007, and were shutout out by 10-loss UNLV in 2007.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    I will also rejoin the LDS Church, as I had my name taken off the records three decades ago, and I will pay DOUBLE tithes for the rest of my life if BYu beats Utah this season. Mark me whY fans.......I will, with honor and honesty!

  • Simple Holladay, UT
    July 9, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    It really is simple... BYU's "glory days" of Lavelle, etc are gone. So they won a "NC" 35 years ago... that is no longer relevant in today's discussion. ( and in all fairness it was a dubious one at best.) Google and read the various articles of how undeserving they were for it (several top 5 awards there). Got it? Yep, Deserved it ? Voters soured on Washington for turning down the match up with BYU and penalized them for playing in the Orange bowl for more money.)
    But more importantly what has BYU done in this century or the last 10 years? Nothing really. Currently the better program is without question the Utes. Can BYU return to the "glory days?" doubtfully within Independence. Can they pull off 6-7 win seasons and go bowling ?given the soft back half of the schedule.. most years. Could they occasionally win 9+ or get to a NY 6 bowl.. possibly, but it will be the exception.
    Utah's program built up under Whit for the last 10 years should continue to be competitive year in and year out. I would rather be in Utah's shoes than BYU's.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    July 9, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    Well, I hope Utah stays healthy in fall camp, the many important newcomers get with Ute football's incredible philosophy of smart, dedicated work.......and hopefully gel together. The Utes have a great chance to be very good this year, make lots of noise and maybe break though and be a factor in 2019..........we Utes have our toes and fingers crossed for sure!

    As far as the cupcake opening contest on August 29th...........they will be dispatched easily. Those people are quite sad and unfortunate........and they SO KNOW IT!

    Goooooo Utes!

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    July 9, 2019 10:39 a.m.

    @HuskyVa - "If BYU goes undefeated this year, I will not only rejoin the church, I will fly out to wherever you live and let you dunk me, for surely there is a Mormon God if BYU survives that front-loaded schedule."

    Okay Husky, you are on.

    While I don't predict there will be no losses, I do think BYU will beat Utah this year... finally! Can't wait to see.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    “she never said BYU-P....because it doesn't exist”

    Coog Baloney:

    Hahaha, the certainty of ignorance and thin skinq!!

    For years, BYU-P’s sponsoring institution referred to it as exactly that on the education page of its website, to differentiate between the three campuses. Even today, it is referred to that way by others, including university ranking services.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    July 9, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    BYU - 9 & 3
    USU - 9 & 3
    Utah - 9 & 3

    Looks like a pretty even year

  • HuskyVa SPOTSYLVANIA, VA
    July 9, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    @ top of the world,
    re: "BYU will go unbeaten this year"

    If BYU goes undefeated this year, I will not only rejoin the church, I will fly out to wherever you live and let you dunk me, for surely there is a Mormon God if BYU survives that front-loaded schedule.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    July 9, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    @13Bpatriot You continue to be in denial about BYU winning a NC. I suppose using that logic that Nebraska never won their 5 NC's either, since BYU beat them on opening day a few years ago. Answer this: Why doesn't anyone but u fans ever talk about busting the BCS? That's all u have ever accomplished.

    @ ariute I knew your perspective was from a younger fan, one that lacks a history of football in the State of Utah and how Edwards literally changed the game. Go talk with Kyle Whittingham. When he last was involved with the Holiday Bowl, his team won;1984. Take another 20 years; then we'll talk trends and changes and what really happened. Have u ever had a QB win the Super Bowl? I don't recall if Alex Smith won one or not (I don't really follow his career), but Steve Young certainly did. Let that sink in!!

    Also, not my fault you never heard of BYU. Take a jaunt down I-15---it's about 42 miles south of Arrogant U. I know it's a hard concept, but anyone who said they went to BYU actually attended BYU, not BYU-I or BYU-H. My daughter went to all 3 at some point and she never said BYU-P....because it doesn't exist, only in the minds of ute detractors.

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    @holy schmoley

    “Opinions carry no weight. Trophy cases carry trophies. Where’s yours”

    First off, do you see the blatant undermining of your own argument with what you have just said? Because it was the opinions of sports writers back in 1984 that awarded BYU the “national championship”. BYU did nothing to earn it on the field, save defeat a bunch of mid-major caliber WAC teams culminating in a 7-point victory over a 6-5 team in a non-New Years Day bowl. But, yes, they were the only undefeated team that year. Since this scenario had never happened before, BYU was given the trophy by default.

    Fast forward to more recent times. In 2004 Utah also went undefeated, culminating with a 35-7 victory over a P5 team in a New Years bowl. But, because the NCAA did not want a repeat of the controversy caused in 1984, Utah was not given the chance to receive their “trophy” as you call it.

    Even worse, in 2008. Utah was the only undefeated team in the country, having beaten 4 ranked teams, including former #1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Yet, because those in power again determined that a non P5 team could not be given the national championship, the “trophy” was given to a 1-loss team.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    “BYU was voted #1 in 1984 because they were undefeated
    . . .
    Utah . . . playing . . . the bowl game against an unprepared Alabama.”

    bluedoggyB:

    Hahaha!! Straight from the coog echo-chamber! As I recall, Michigan was also unprepared to play BYU-P back then.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    Utah 10-2

    BYU 5-7

    Utah State 9-3

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 9, 2019 7:40 a.m.
    LOL

    BYU was voted #1 in 1984 because they were undefeated and they had had several years of great play. Don't forget that they beat #1 Miami in Provo. That counted a lot.

    I don't remember Utah even playing a major power until the bowl game against an unprepared Alabama. Alabama had lost a game and were not invited to a New Years bowl game... I've been following football since 1960. I haven't seen much from Utah in any of those years. Wake me up when they do.

    -----

    Someone wake this guy up from hibernation so he can enjoy another loss at LES (8-3 this century).

    Beating #1 Miami in 1990 was so impressive that BYU got credit for it in 1984.

    Sugar Bowl isn't a New Years bowl game?

    2008 Alabama was "unprepared" for a beat down, but pregame it was all about how the Tide would roll over Utah.

  • KimmyP Skull Valley, UT
    July 9, 2019 8:57 a.m.

    @ holy baloney;

    "you can't fault us for not waiting by the phone." Except for the 10 years you've waited for the Big12 to call. Right? 😢

    "neither did u have the desire to win at home against the worst road team in the country--" You must be talking about UMass, when they beat the Coogs in Provo for their first EVER road game win. 🤣

  • 46 & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 8:48 a.m.

    Holy Baloney:

    The only thing coug fans talk about is some directors cup that most people haven’t heard of, much less care about, a couple 10-11 win seasons during the Mtn West era, where they didn’t beat ANY teams that finished ranked, and one of the weakest, if not the weakest “NC”.

    I wonder if recruits or potential recruits are even impressed by those things. Apparently not, considering their recruiting classes and NFL drafts continue to diminish. Independence is sure going crazy awesome, huh?

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    I have to agree that the only thing significant about 1984 is that it is the title of a book by George Orwell!

    If 1984 were as significant as all our little blue brothers keep telling us, along with a pantheon of LaVelle era awards that they keep worshipping, surely they would be in a P5 conference...BUT they are not!

    Surely they would have had better recruiting classes as young men are memorized by all that they venerate...they are at Notre Dame... BUT they are not Notre Dame, never will be, nor will the Irish ever play in Provo in this century.

    Rather tds has set a well exposed course for irrelevance and their 9th straight loss to UTAH!

  • Idaho forever South Jordan, UT
    July 9, 2019 8:34 a.m.

    More teeth grinding down south

  • utahcoyote St. George, UT
    July 9, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    @BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT

    the year that utah beat alabama in the sugar bowl, alabama had been #1 in the rankings most of the season. florida barely beat them in a close game that decided the sec champion. you tried your hardest to make it sound like alabama was an also ran all season long.

    its interesting to me that folks like you always tries to downgrade anything utah does, especially in football. if you use the same standard by which, byu won national championship in 1984, utah should have won that season as the only undefeated team in division 1. that said, they changed the rules after byu won by beating a 6-5 michigan team.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 9, 2019 8:17 a.m.

    "No matter how many blogs jealous Ute fans spam with their ridiculous claims,

    the closest the Utes will ever get to a Waterford Crystal Football National Championship Trophy

    is the one proudly displayed in BYU’s Legacy Hall of Fame."

    Well, there is a lot of truth to that. Especially since they no longer award the National Champion with a Waterford crystal trophy. Haven't for about 5 years at least.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    July 9, 2019 8:03 a.m.

    0-4 to start the season.

    It's gonna be so fun to watch the meltdown. Can't wait!

    LOL!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    July 9, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    @OldMain - Saratoga Springs, UT

    "What on earth is their basis for BYU having a 74% chance of beating Utah State in Logan? "
    ------------

    I think it's because USU loses their entire starting OL, their starting RB, and several key defensive players. But that's just me speaking.

    USU does have Love at QB but if he's not protected, and they can't move the ball on the ground, it could be just as they predict.

    This yr's USU team is certainly not the same team from last season.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 9, 2019 7:40 a.m.

    LOL

    You children are so funny. Don't you know that prior to the NC bowl game, the national championship was often called "The Mythical National Championship". Because it was a vote by writers. BYU was voted #1 in 1984 because they were undefeated and they had had several years of great play. Don't forget that they beat #1 Miami in Provo. That counted a lot.

    I don't remember Utah even playing a major power until the bowl game against an unprepared Alabama. Alabama had lost a game and were not invited to a New Years bowl game. I did root for Utah in that game.

    You children are too young to understand what BYU did to college football in those years. The West Coast Offense was "invented" at BYU by coach Holmgren. Yes, that coach Holmgren. BYU gave national champion Miami their only loss in that Bad Boy year.

    Utah is a fairly good team now, but has yet to win a big bowl game or a conference championship. I've been following football since 1960. I haven't seen much from Utah in any of those years. Wake me up when they do.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 9, 2019 7:38 a.m.

    False hope for the cougie fans from the network that's obligated.

  • Originalflyinhawaiian Yakima, WA
    July 9, 2019 6:51 a.m.

    @138Payriot. So let me get this straight. BYU’s NC is illegitimate because of the vote? Let’s see you tell that to every other NC prior to the playoffs!
    Lack of thought killed the cat...or was that curiosity? I can’t remember

    I predict a BYU win over UU-SLC. Ummm, DeliciousThought

  • WolfZ Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 9, 2019 6:41 a.m.

    It doesn't really matter about this preseason prediction. What matters is that the game that counts will be played in Lavell Edwards Stadium in August. Watch the game, enjoy it and forever hold your peace.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    July 9, 2019 5:06 a.m.

    I predict that the team left behind will continue to talk and fantasies about the team up North.

    I predict that if it was not for the alumn of the team down South didn't overstep his authority in the State legislature Utah would have left that team behind for good.

    I predict 9 straight is just around the corner and Holmoe going independent was the best decision for the team down South. Irrelevancy fits the team down South so well.

  • Sukiyaki Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 9, 2019 3:40 a.m.

    Utah Statevwith only five wins is a joke. They will be a tough team with Anderson at the helm. I see a minimum of 8 wins, including at Wake Forest and at San Diego State.

    I see Utah winning 8-9 games but not 10. You need a great offense to win 10 games.

    BYU winning 7-8 games is realistic if Wilson stays healthy. They are unlikely to lose four in a row to start the season.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    July 9, 2019 2:25 a.m.

    As a BYU fan (but not fan-atic), I also like to be realistic. All the hype gets old very, very quickly!

    Because we have lost 8 in a row to Utah, we, Cougars, need to stop with the naive trash talk. 1984 is only relevant as a novel by George Orwell. And way too many Cougars comment on Ute fans rather than on football!

    The power rankings seen about right to me. Sitake seems to have packed his roster this year, so there may be more depth than last year even if there's not more talented individual players.

    So much hope (and hype) is based on Zach Wilson's success at the end of last year. But that was against the weakest of the schedule, and he's recovering from shoulder surgery. That leaves big question marks about the season!

    Let's let 'em play and stop the speculation.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    July 9, 2019 12:56 a.m.

    It's pretty complimentary to all teams, although I think usu will do better than predicted.

    I hope Tennessee is ranked that high, gives byu another signature win, I don't think that's BYU's hardest game.

    What's funny is the Utah fans obsession with byu. Fans go on about all the wins in a row, and they don't realize that they can simply do as they say and not care about BYU.

    If I were a Utah fan the last thing I'd do is focus on byu, but hard to break old habits.

  • AggieFan4Ever Logan, UT
    July 9, 2019 12:15 a.m.

    Sorry, but this list is complete garbage. It’s the point in the season where ESPN forgets the fact that G5 teams are actually capable of being good teams and rates all the P5 teams (and BYU-Provo, for some reason...?) above all G5 teams. It’s like they think that only P5 teams are capable of maintaining success and only G5 teams can have a dropoff in the offseason. Fact is, USU’s coaching change was an upgrade.

    Utah will contend for the PAC-12 title and Utah State will contend for the MWC title and will win way more than 5 games, but the most surprising to me is USU only being given a 25% chance to beat BYU-Provo. The Aggies wiped the floor with them in their own stadium, and the only reason the kitties scored was because of USU committing penalties. There’s no indication that BYU-Provo will even come close to surpassing USU in any way this year, and now the game will be in Logan, and USU isn’t favored to win? Come on.

  • Simple Holladay, UT
    July 9, 2019 12:13 a.m.

    pundit's don't know a thing at this point. We'll all look back and laugh at these predictions.

    Utah returns most of the Offense but ?'s abound on the O-line. If you can't block, the offense will underperform. Seems like it takes 2-3 games for Utah to get going anyway. Plus they play 2 air raid offenses this year with USC changing things up.

    BYU - there are position question everywhere but QB and OLINE. probably start the season losing 3of4.. lack depth so must be injury free. (interestingly Utah's oline and BYU's d-line have question marks while BYU's o-line and Utah's D-line will be their strengths. makes for interesting match up.

    USU will win more than 5...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 8, 2019 11:45 p.m.

    @Baloney

    You have more Provo Airport celebrations in September (2) than CFP rankings (0).

    Let that sink in!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 8, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    @ Holy Baloney

    If Utah doesn't have the talent then why did these players receive pre-season honors from Athlon Sports and Phill Steele:

    * Bradlee Anae
    * Francis Bernard
    * Julian Blackmon
    * Manny Bowen
    * Britain Covey
    * Cole Fotheringham
    * Leki Fotu
    * Javelin Guidry
    * Tyler Huntley
    * Jaylon Johnson
    * Zack Moss
    * Darrin Paulo
    * John Penisini

    Utah is considered a Top 15 team for a reason, see above.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 8, 2019 11:32 p.m.

    Jealous Little Brother Propaganda:

    “BYU never won a NC.
    BYU was voted a NC after going undefeated with a SOS ranked #85 out of 110.”

    Reality:

    BYU 1984 won the Consensus National Championship in exactly the same way Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985 won their national championships, by convincing the majority of AP and Coaches voters that BYU 1984 was more deserving of being ranked #1 in the final polls than any other team.

    Utah 2008 was never even a contender, finishing #6 in the final BCS standings, and #7 in both final regular season polls. The Utes finished #4 in Coaches (the official final BCS poll) and a distant #2 in the final AP poll.

    No matter how many blogs jealous Ute fans spam with their ridiculous claims,

    the closest the Utes will ever get to a Waterford Crystal Football National Championship Trophy

    is the one proudly displayed in BYU’s Legacy Hall of Fame.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    July 8, 2019 10:34 p.m.

    I predict that no matter what happens this season, the "fans" of the team that "left BYU behind" will continue to do nothing but post disparaging comments about BYU on these articles.

    I also predict that no matter what happens, some BYU fans will continue to post about how the Cougars have accomplished things that Utah never has and never will.

    I think I will probably get both of those predictions right.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    July 8, 2019 9:11 p.m.

    Who knows how things will actually turn out, that's why they play the games instead of doing it all on paper, although players don't get injured if only done on paper which is a plus. But I digress. I find it hard to believe that utha will do as well as they've predicted considering they finished last season on a two-game losing streak against teams that were not having powerhouse seasons. And teams in the Pac that were down last year will do better this year.

    I'm expecting BYU to do 2-3 games better than last year thanks to returning a number of very talented young players who will build off their experience and key players back from injuries and the offense coming together much better.

    USU has lost a number of important starters so they will probably do 3 games worse than last year. Gary Anderson is back so we will have to wait and see if he's lost "it" or still has "it".

  • 13Bpatriot SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 8, 2019 8:48 p.m.

    @Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney

    BYU never won a NC.
    BYU was voted a NC after going undefeated with a SOS ranked #85 out of 110.
    They played in a mediocre bowl against a mediocre team, so yes, they were voted a NC because they were the best mediocre team that season. And the only reason they were voted it was because they went undefeated.

    And that was the first and last time BYU has gone undefeated. Utah has gone undefeated twice since 1985.

    And I would argue that Utah's 2009 Sugar Bowl defeat of Alabama is a much better achievement than BYU's "NC".

    But go ahead and continue to hang your hat on something that BYU did before this century and before my lifetime.

  • ariute Farmington, UT
    July 8, 2019 8:48 p.m.

    @holy schamoly,

    first off, calm down. I was born in 1990 so after the '1984' year that so many BYU-P fans love to claim about their 'National Championship.' Don't forget that the Utah Utes will forever be remembered as BCS Busters, winning the Fiesta and Sugar Bowl. Also, don't forget that Kyle Whittingham has beaten Nick Saban and Alabama. Lastly, the fact that I'm not from this state I honestly did not know there was a 'BYU'. I was indeed familiar with BYU-I having been stationed at Mountain Home Air Force Base and BYU-H having been stationed at Hickam AFB in Hawaii. It's funny now that I live in Utah, I constantly hear "I went to BYU"..."oh yeah, which one" HAHAHAHA.

  • top of the world ,
    July 8, 2019 8:45 p.m.

    BYU will go unbeaten this year. The Utes will lose two games. The Aggies will lose three games. And now I must keep my appointment with the doctor. Apparently he has medicine for me that will slow down the process of aging and keep me from hallucinating.

    One thought prior to taking my meds...why do folks feel they have to demean and disrespect an opponent by purposefully misspelling the opponents names? That is very grade-school.

    Go Cougars, Utes (except for one game) and Aggies (except for one game).

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    July 8, 2019 8:37 p.m.

    @ariute How many days since u won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, the PAC12 Conference Championship, or---let that sink in!! (Answer: NEVER!!)

    How many years have you sat home and not gone bowling since you joined the PAC?...Twice...let that sink in!!

    How many times have you played in the Rose Bowl Game (u fans said from day 1 they could smell roses but I think the aroma was from the barn)?----let that sink in!!

    u fans said they would rather be in the PAC 12 and lose and by gosh, their wish has been granted!! (How many times did they finish 5th out of 6 teams in the southern division?)---let that sink in!!

    Currently your program is on a 2-game losing streak (must have been a fun summer)-----let the sink in!!

    Thanks for writing.....truly humorous, it was. There is still no school named BYU-P.....let that sink in!!

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    July 8, 2019 8:20 p.m.

    @KimmyP,

    Well it does get really hit in Arizona in July.

  • matman Provo, UT
    July 8, 2019 8:14 p.m.

    @Thereland

    the closest the utes will ever be to one of them 'crystal ball' is when they play at Lavell Edwards Stadium.

  • ariute Farmington, UT
    July 8, 2019 8:07 p.m.

    If BYU-P loses 3 out of the first 4 games but still manages to pull out one win, BYU-P fans will be all up in arms saying how 'great' their team is and how 'weak the PAC-12 is.' I'm truly excited for college football to begin and cannot wait until August 29th. It'll be a great day no matter the outcome. The last time BYU-P won the Holy War, the iPhone 3GS was the latest and greatest, 13 iPhones have been released since....it has been 3,509 days since their last win....let that sink in BYU-P fans.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    July 8, 2019 7:54 p.m.

    @46 & 2 Ok, your made your one-sided point and I will accept your opinion about our program as soon as you accept the fact we won a NC and you didn't, the same year with the same opportunity. I know that will never happen so I hope you are able to cope with the experts opinion from ESPN if they end up being wrong about the first game. If it were a cinch there'd be no reason to play; just ask Wisconsin about that or UNLV a few years back when they beat you 0 - 27. Opinions carry no weight. Trophy cases carry trophies. Where's yours?

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    July 8, 2019 7:04 p.m.

    One of the funnest times of the college football year, this is. Especially when it comes to the sibling rivalries between the three schools. I'm a huge BYU fan, btw, in Calif.

    Utah is going to be very tough. "Best team Coach Whittingham has had in Salt Lake," I've seen some say. Could be. And Utah State is hardly a 76% win chance. How the pundits cobble these predictions---down to the tenth of a percentage point, hilariously---is all part of the humor and entertainment. Nobody knows much of anything at this point. No fall camp. No fall injury reports. No history of performing with this particular team. You can look at offensive line that are intact from last year, or a linebacking or defensive secondary group that know how to mesh with each other, perhaps, but all that depends on what the opponent throws at you.

    I wish all three teams great seasons. Will be interested to see if the Utes can win the Pac 12, the Aggies can tackle the Mtn West and mostly how BYU will do in its first 4 games, especially against SC in Provo and the Volunteers down in Tennessee: I think my Cougs may find it easier to beat the Trojans and Tenn than to beat Utah.

    Go Cougs

  • water rocket , 00
    July 8, 2019 7:01 p.m.

    Well, since the "experts" have already predicted the outcomes of every game there is no need to play the games, right? For me, I love the underdog roll because it gives extra fun when they win those games.

    Here are my assessments of all three teams.

    - Utah wins the PAC12 if Huntley stays healthy.
    - BYU stuns several P5 teams IF they incorporate more passing, especially if their top two QB's stay healthy.
    - No way is USU going to only win five games! They are going to win their conference, and could surprise some P5 teams.

  • 46 & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2019 6:57 p.m.

    Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney:

    Holy-Schamoly that was a LONG rant! And sorry buddy, the tables will never turn. The talent gap continues to widen, with players and coaching. You’re mid majors forever. Get used to it and accept it!

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    July 8, 2019 6:26 p.m.

    @ johninslc Where is this BYU-P school? There is BYU, BYU-I, and BYU-H. There is NO BYU-P, no matter how clever ute partisans think it sounds. But go ahead, this disrespect was evident when Opportunity Urban wouldn't call them by their name, only "team down south." But we're used to it. And the tables will turn. Utah, during the last decade, missed going to bowls TWICE and everyone focuses on the single year BYU missed going. Oh well, hit your thumb with the hammer hard enough and you won't feel your stubbed toe. When (and if) you finally play in the Rose Bowl Game (and not just the Rose Bowl Stadium) give us a call. After last year's feeble attempt to win the conference playoff game you can't fault us for not waiting by the phone. u don't have the talent and the 1st year when it was greased for u, neither did u have the desire to win at home against the worst road team in the country--Colorado. Remember?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2019 6:01 p.m.

    "LSU, which hosts Utah State on Oct. 5, is ranked No. 4 with a 21.7 FPI rating. The Tigers are the third-ranked SEC team."
    A great challenge begins with the first step: "Cross the 50 yard line."

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    July 8, 2019 5:24 p.m.

    Oh, come on! Everyone knows that BYU is on their way to win a second "crystal ball" trophy!

    Go Cougars! You ROC!

  • AlwaysAnAggie Hyrum, UT
    July 8, 2019 5:21 p.m.

    Wow....that is a surprising prediction. We need to post that in the Aggie locker room. I think they did nail the Utes season, however, I believe the Utes will win the PAC 12 Championship. Anything less than a 10 win season for the Aggies will be a disappointment. They upgraded their coaching staff, Love will be a year smarter, and the defense will be awesome. I have looked and relooked at the Cougs schedule and don't see how they get any better than a 6-6 season. 4 losses right out of the chute and then losses to USU and BSU, with toss-ups against Toledo, South Florida, and San Diego State. If the Cougies come out with 6 wins they should be overjoyed.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    July 8, 2019 4:57 p.m.

    Love it. Aggies always play better with a chip on their shoulder.

    USU's coaching change is a huge upgrade. Love does need to develop some new targets with the loss of Thompson. But, anything less than 10 wins for the Aggies would be a disappointment, less than 9 wins would be devastating. Can't wait for the season to start!

  • mn.idaho Idaho Falls, ID
    July 8, 2019 4:28 p.m.

    I agree with power index for the Utes but BYU and USU are both wrong. I suspect a 2-5 or 1-6 BYU team will be play a 6-1 or 5-2 USU squad in November. USU is younger and has the toughest schedule in the MWC but if they're 5-1 or 4-2 half way through they may be a real contender competing for the MW title in December.

    My key predictions: USU season will be successful enough for Anderson to be named MWC coach of the year. BYU will be fortunate to win 5 games and Sitake will resign after another USU loss.

  • OldMain Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 8, 2019 4:21 p.m.

    What on earth is their basis for BYU having a 74% chance of beating Utah State in Logan? By the time the two meet in November, BYU is going to be pretty banged up. Even if they met the first game of the season, based on the past five meetings, I would say it's probably 60/40 in favor of Utah State.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 8, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    The FPI can change dramatically from week to week. It is about as useful as a preseason poll.

    One game at a time.

    First stop: #9

    Go Utes!

  • KimmyP Skull Valley, UT
    July 8, 2019 3:34 p.m.

    On the road

  • KimmyP Skull Valley, UT
    July 8, 2019 3:28 p.m.

    I guess living in Gilbert, AZ affects one's ability to differentiate the significance of playing at home versus in the road. 😂

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 8, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    The FPI is garbage. They're predicting USU losses to SDSU, Air Force, and Fresno? Sorry...as insufferable as they've become, BYU-Logan is way better than that.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    July 8, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    "Utah is projected to win 8.6 games, with a 14.5% chance to win the Pac-12"

    Bah, ESPN has no credibility to make such a prediction. The Utes are destined to dominate the P12 and play in the CFP this year. Its gonna be a special year!

    I mean, 'cmon, they think that BYU has an equal chance to beat USC and a BETTER chance to beat Washington? Complete non-sense.