cougsndowgs,I agree 100%.Prior to last season moss
seemed like a good but not great RB. While I'd put him on BYU's
roster in a heartbeat I find some of the Ute hype about him over-blown.
He's not a top 10 RB, I think he makes one top 25 list at #25. his NFL
potential depends on this year - will he continue the trend he started last year
and have an upward trajectory or not - nobody knows what he'll do. If he
entered the draft last year he'd be lucky to land a team and would most
likely work out but is borderline NFL stock.Allow me to share the
ridicule, however I don't think that the guys ridiculing us have much to
show for themselves.As for Katoa, I'd take Moss over him any
day, but that's Moss as a Senior and Katoa didn't give us enough to
see last year. Health was a major issue and showed in consistency with 3 games
having a single carry bracketed between some games where he was a very
serviceable RB.Putting the Freshman Katoa against the Junior Moss on
identical teams we have 4.88:4.5 with Zona. go back to Moss's freshman
year and Katoa looks a lot better on paper. But I don't find either of
them "elite", maybe one or both might be, I wanna see some football.
one liner:I know you're relatively new, but I don't think
I've taken the opportunity to welcome you and tell you I've liked your
takes on multiple threads. Though I don't always agree with you on
everything (I do on most things), I like that you're a straight shooter, no
ambiguity.So let me give you some back-story on Moss: I made the
'mistake' last summer of suggesting Moss was a "good back",
not a "great back" and comparing him to RBs at UGA. Yes, it was that
trivial...but AZute and his buddies have been offended about it ever since.
Apparently I have it in for the kid now because I don't think highly enough
of him as a RB. SMHI'm happy to have our transfers, and I think
so long as Katoa can stay healthy we should be decent at RB...not great but good
enough. I wonder if Y fans will now whine about me suggesting our backfield will
only be average lol.Welcome to the DN comment board jungle lol. :)
This article has nothing to do with Zack Moss.And who goes back in
history to see who supported or "dogged" a player from day one?Zack Moss, day one, was one of a number of RBs who all had enough potential to
make the team. I wasn't a big fan until he turned it on - props to him and
not me because I didn't put on extra muscle and preform well in games, he
did.Why is anybody linking their ego with Zack Moss on an article
about how Katoa has a surprising stat?Any reasonable BYU fan would
take Moss in a heartbeat, and any reasonable Utah fan would welcome Katoa as
well because he's certainly got potential. But when I say reasonable, I
don't mean the kid sitting in a basement in Arizona who wakes up enraged
about the knock to his ego because an article had a "gee whiz" stat
about a BYU RB who has potential but is yet to be fully proven.
“U can dispense with the histrionics now, mama. Lol”Mama? That’s the best you’ve got? Hardy, Har, Har.....That was a
good one.....Unbelievable.I did in fact catch you red-handed.....You
were in fact back-tracking.....And you have been guilty of dogging our ZM from
Day 1.Which part of this all confuses you?Your
subsequent spin fools nobody, period.Go Utes!
Azute:U didn't catch anyone red-handed, and no one is back-tracking.
I'm stating facts about what I said, and my intent which was completely
different than your contrived nonsense. Now U want to continue antagonizing me
when it's obvious U were the one that made false and biased assumptions
about me. YOU don't know me from Adam, but that didn't stop you from
judging my "intent" now did it? Typical hypocrisy.As for
"smack" on Moss, all I've ever done was state my opinion which is
that he's an average back...that opinion may or may not be proven accurate
as his career progresses. But U, from day one, have cried about my honest
opinion and assessment, like you're his mama and I've stolen his
candy. At no point have I ever wished ill will on Zack Moss...by all accounts he
seems like a good kid and an honorable person and I honestly hope for nothing
but a healthy and productive season for him.U can dispense with the
histrionics now, mama. Lol
No U haven't "been there, done that". ——-Absolutely, I have.....Fact is, you don’t
know me from Adam, period.——-The irony here
is Moss would probably just smile/laugh at my comment (again he's already
heard the jokes from his friends and teammates...and if it fuels him, all the
better).——-How in the world could you
possibly know what ZM’s experienced w/his friends & teammates? Are
you a part of his inner-circle? Fact is, you possess zero knowledge regarding
it, period.You’ve been running smack on ZM since Day 1.....I
caught you red-handed & all you’re attempting to do is to back-track
yourself & it’s not working lil’ bro, period.Nice
Azute:"Been there, done that, but wholly different than your intent
w/your comment..."No U haven't "been there, done
that". If U had U would understand my intent was to poke fun at the
situation NOW. I had nothing but well wishes for the young man back when it
happened, and hoped for a speedy and full recovery, which thankfully he's
had. There's nothing in my comment to suggest I wish him any ill will. But since U seem to be a mind reader and know my intent, please show
where I've ever mocked a kid's injury when it happened. It's not
me. Not even in my DNA. I'd never wish injury or ill fate on a 20 yr old
kid trying to make his way.The irony here is Moss would probably
just smile/laugh at my comment (again he's already heard the jokes from his
friends and teammates...and if it fuels him, all the better). U on the other
hand can't stop whining and judging me about it. Get over it already.
“If U can't see that, U've never been on a team or in a
locker-room before.”Been there, done that, but wholly
different than your intent w/your comment, in spite of your vain attempt to
back-track.....Nice try, as you’ve already been rightfully called out.FTR, his injury, for all intents & purposes, was pre-existent to
climbing into bed.....Common-sense indicates this clearly.Go Utes!
I wonder if when John Lennon wrote his hit song "Imagine" he was
referring to the possibility of Utah fans commenting on articles that pertained
to their own team?
The point is Katoa was surprisingly good in one specific stat.I
don't see any BYU fans calling him elite, but I don't see the harm in
looking oking at his accomplishment and hoping that he becomes elite.Moss is good, he got #25 on the top 25 so that's great for him - perhaps
you Utes can ask dnews to do an article on moss.Or maybe you can
just comment on the moss articles that don't get so many comments
BYU’s Lopini Katoa among nation’s best returning running backs
against a stacked box70% of his yards came in 3 games: McNesse
StateHawaiiNew Mexico StateNo, Katoa is not an elite RB.
brother roscoe....."9 is coming"...you're right,
starting this year with 1...just like so many times before...
Sheesh! This is an article about a running back at BYU. How much more pathetic
can the BYU haters get with their inferiority complex?
"However, educated sport's fans read and comment on a variety of
articles, as opposed to focusing on just their own little world."Come on! Yes, read up on other teams, but USC articles aren't
inundated with ute fan comments although that's the biggest conference game
for Utah this year. I'm all for following other teams, and
I'm the first one to criticize byu fans who troll the Utes, but let's
not pretend that Utah fans who troll BYU are normal.For most of
those Utah fans, it has nothing to do with sports.
Blacksburg Coog: "See, that's what you do when you don't care
about another team. You don't read their articles nor do you comment on
them."Thanks for the lesson. However, educated sport's
fans read and comment on a variety of articles, as opposed to focusing on just
their own little world.
Navel Vet - Philadelphia, PAJuly 8, 2019 1:44 p.m."An
article about a ybU-p running back..."The inability to spell BYU
coincides with an inability to make sportsman like comments.
"Takes a little man to mock a kid’s injury....."Wow.
Drama much?Let me set the record straight for ya, bud. Myself along
with any BYU fan I know felt awful for Moss when he went down...no one wants to
see a kid get injured, especially if the injury is career threatening (or heaven
forbid, life threatening). Thankfully this injury was neither for ZM.Now that the injury is in the rear-view and he looks to be as good or better
than ever with a bright future, I guarantee you his friends and teammates have
joked and teased with Moss about the craziness of how he injured his knee. I can
hear the "be safe going to bed tonight" jokes now lol. If U can't
see that, U've never been on a team or in a locker-room before. I'm
sure even Zack, now at 100%, has probably laughed about it along with them.
He's a big boy...he doesn't need obsessed Mother Hen U fans crying
about something he's definitely been teased about already by those who care
about him more than U and me.SMH
@itswhatithink - West Jordan, UTJuly 8, 2019 7:48 p.m."To the
?Y? Fans who are commenting about Utah fans commenting on articles on the ?Y?.
the answer to the question is that 95% of the articles about football are about
the ?Y?....When the sportswriters start writing article that are
about Utah, we will be happy to not comment on meaningless articles like
this."There are countless news sources other than the DN. When
I want to read about my Terps, Orioles and Ravens, I read the Baltimore Sun. If
I want to read about the Utes, I read the Tribune. When I want to read about my
Cougars, I come here.I guess that is why you have come here also?
I'm glad he's an option, assuming he's healthy. He's a good
player, not sure if I can call him great yet. Time will tell. Kavika
Fonua and Lopini Katoa are two good options at RB. The grad transfers are
probably better. I'm sure they'll be the featured guys this year. The
only guy not banged up right now is the guy from Rice, that's my biggest
worry. I do like some of the upside that some of the true freshman
bring to the table. We'll see how that goes. I think the future is bright
at this position group. Excited for Fall, Go Cougs!
Takes a little man to mock a kid’s injury.....Unbelievable, really, but to
be expected.ZM is hands-down one of the nation’s very best RBs
& will become a high-round draft pick.He’ll also shatter
every one of our records in a program rich in RB history.Go ZM!Go Utes!
To the ?Y? Fans who are commenting about Utah fans commenting on articles on the
?Y?. the answer to the question is that 95% of the articles about football are
about the ?Y?....When the sportswriters start writing article that
are about Utah, we will be happy to not comment on meaningless articles like
Against the #69 ranked SOS?Go Utes!
There are two issues for Katoa. Injuries and RB depth. If he stays healthy, he
may have a great year. We've seen his combo of power, quicks and
sufficient speed to cause trouble. Kinda reminds me of a poor man's Barry
Sanders. And if Esupka, Williams and others, Allgeier and Fonua I suppose, earn
a decent share of touches, the risk of injury for Katoa drops. Or maybe it will
be Katoa taking the heat off Williams or Eskupa. Who knows. What would be fun
is a kind of RB controversy, where that Williams, Katoa, Esupka, etc. do so well
that the fans argue who deserves the most carries. Not far off-stage are the
speedy new kids who will likely get a shot, at least against Liberty and Idaho
State, for example. So if Grimes can keep on the field every play a
fresh pair or legs and a guy who isn't winded, and if Zach Wilson is
connecting his passes with the TE and wideouts, we cause the opposing defensive
coordinator anxious moments. I love anxiety. When the other guy has it.
@hawii uteneither hawaii or ute have won a thing in football and
you're still talking
"you spelled "making fun of" wrong..."Oh, I did?
OBSESSIVELYThere, fixed it for ya.
BYU football - I can't decide if moribund or underacheiving is the right
term. Time to WIN. Katoa didn't really do much except one game
against a fairly weak team. Hope he has a really solid breakout year for the
Surprise surprise it's @Utah Hawaii again, and you're calling BYU
talks too much? I assume your team still got no ring? Neither utes or hawaii
has any haha.
@RR"spend their afternoon obsessively analyzing a young BYU
RB"You spelled "making fun of" wrong...
brother roscoe:"U say that Utah fans should move on, as some say they
have, but do U really want to be ignored?"By U fans? Yes,
please...I'm glad one of U finally figured it out. Well half figured it
out...seems U are still under the misapprehension that your opinion matters that
much to Y fans. It doesn't, so yes please, move on and ignore the Y.
Nothing would make most of us happier.
I have a riddle for you Smeagol:What's red and white, painfully
ignored by their rival they love, and spend their afternoon obsessively
analyzing a young BYU RB they know almost nothing about? HINT: there
more than five of them today.
@JackRyanSLC - Salt Lake City, UTJuly 8, 2019 2:29 p.m."For
those dogging Moss...simple question BYU fans, if you could trade one of your
RB's for Moss, would you do it?"Nobody dogged Moss. But
many are dogging Katoa.
y is it that in every coug article we have the coug fans complaining about Utah
fans commenting? yet on Utah articles y fans comment on there are no such
complaints?U say that Utah fans should move on, as some say they have, but
do U really want to be ignored? U fan is the only one acknowledging the y,
we're all U got as far as attention, lolThat said I think Katoa is a
solid back that if he avoids injury should have a good year.Here's to
hoping he stays injury free9 is coming
"Time for U to take your little red and white pom poms and Powder Pac nerf
balls and picnic somewhere else."coog'n'TeamB:Does that mean you, and the other coog fans here whining about Ute fans,
are going to quit posting on Utah stories? Or, are you just going to confirm
For those dogging Moss...simple question BYU fans, if you could trade one of
your RB's for Moss, would you do it?
Here's hoping that Katoa can stay healthy and have a break out season. I
thought he ran very well when he was healthy.
Just imagine if BYU would've offered All American Josh Davis who was in
their own back-yard, they wouldn't have to qualify their statements about
I'm glad to have Katoa in the backfield, he's a hard-worker and strong
kid who runs with an edge. Is he a 4.4, open field nightmare? No he isn't,
but neither is Moss. So please stop bringing Zack "Can't Climb Into
Bed" Moss into discussions about BYU RBs (especially when U can't even
spell the kid's name right...but yeah, he's your idol and a special
player...I'm sure "Zac(h)'s mother would agree lol). Time for U to take your little red and white pom poms and Powder Pac nerf
balls and picnic somewhere else. Be fans of integrity and keep your promise of
"moving on" and stop caring about the Y. See that rectangular wood
fixture in the wall? That's called a door, don't let it hit U in the
backside on the way out.
UtahBruin,He would probably be a practice squad linebacker at Utah or
"4.9 Yards per carry against Arizona, P12, Moss didn't have that.8 Yards per carry against California, P12, Moss didn't have that against
North Dakota."UtahTeamB:He also had: 0.0
yards per carry against UMass, Ind., Moss didn't have that against anybody.
An article about a ybU-p running back and 100% of the comments from cougar fans
are about Ute fans. Interesting, very, very interesting.#ObsessedIndy-WACers
An article about a BYU running back and 75% of the comments from Ute fans.
Interesting, very, very interesting.
"Did I miss the Utah article?"adnauseum:Nope, we
all did. The DNews is in season-ticket-sales mode.
Utah fans who wish to troll, just because it is a BYU player. And make excuses
that they played NMSU. I am not saying the Katoa is going to win the Heisman,
as some Utah fans think this is all about that. This is a running back that
has........5.6 yards per carry average.Scores a TD in every
9.5 carries.Only has two breaks over 15 yards, demonstrates a head down
workhorse when he does carry.4.9 Yards per carry against Arizona, P12,
Moss didn't have that.8 Yards per carry against California, P12, Moss
didn't have that against North Dakota.3.4 Yards per carry against
Washington, P12, OK Moss was a little better than that.3.3 Yards per carry
against Wisconsin.I am not trying to diminish Moss here, he is an
amazing and powerful running back. What I am saying is Kotoa may not be a
Heisman winner. But he is a back that I would love to have in my backfield.
This kid runs hard, and if given more opportunity might be another Moss like
runner. But there isn't a Utah fan out there that if they could have this
kid as a fill in for Moss on off carries and downs that wouldn't accept him
with open arms. If you say no, we know you are not truthful and a typical Utah
BYU articles I've read: all of themU of U articles I've read:
zeroIt is incredible how interested and obsessed Ute fans are with
Imma go over to some articles about Utah football and make disparaging
comments.Oh, wait. No I'm not. Because I DON'T CARE about
Utah football. Because I'm a BYU fan. See, that's what you
do when you don't care about another team. You don't read their
articles nor do you comment on them.
So what I'm getting from this is, when a Pop Warner team puts 8 in the box
and Katoa runs the ball at it, he gets 5.6 ypc? Got it.
Did I miss the Utah article?
So a BYU running back that likely won’t be a starter has a great metric
(based on a limited amount of playing time) for a very specific situation. OK
that is fine but I will take Zach Moss who is rated as one of the top RBs in
college football for all situations.
Kotoa had 155 yards of his 423 yards rushing against NMSTU... that is 37% of all
his yards in ONE game!! By the way, NMSTU was a team whose defense was 126th in
the country out of 130 teams n 2018!! In the NMSTU game, he had 19 of
his 76 attempts...It doesn't take a genius to figure out why Kotoa did so
well. In games against P5 competition, he had 24 carries for a
total of only 92 yards. This story is a reminder that statistics
are like a bikini...what they reveal is enticing, but what they conceal is
@ one liner,Yeah, Katoa is a bonafide "world-beater" in D1
FBS football......a "TRUE" Heisman Trophy lock without doubt! I mean
lil' Zachary Wilson and Jaren Hall will also be in the top 5 at the award
ceremony as well. BYu is all about the Heisman Trophy every year.
Katoa showed some great promise, the problem is that he looked great in this
specific type of star. Need to see him perform well on the field.
This is a great year for that, hope he competes well against the
transfers and grows to be a solid go-to next year.
Utah-Hawaii Alum,That a Ute is succeeding in the NBA is the norm for
Utah.That a football player is good in one little area in the right
circumstance and that a former basketball player is earning a chance to play in
a foreign country is outstanding for byu.
Wut up wit all this "nothing burger" whY hype yet again? Katoa, really?
Mika in the NBA, really?How about mentioning former Ute Delon
Wright's new 3yr/$29 million contract with the Dallas Mavericks??????