Salt Lake County urges Utah Legislature to pass conversion therapy ban

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    If Troy Williams and Equality Utah were truly interested in teen suicide and depression, they would have done the following:
    1) Supported the compromise bill that outlawed unrealistic promises and physical abuse. These things are not appropriate with any therapy - but i suppose that would have outlawed pro-transgender therapy, which has a horrific record of failure - so it seems that Equality Utah only opposes therapies base on their politics, not their efficiency or ethics
    2) Equality Utah should not have led the effort to name public streets and monuments after a man that openly admits in his own biography to exploiting teen age boys while he was in his mid-thirties - at least one of which eventually committed suicide. Obviously EU concern for teens does not run any deeper than the rationalization of their own intolerance

    Equality Utah has become everything it claims to despise and merely wants to criminalize dissent

    Shame on the County Council for spreading the hate

  • Hugh1 , 00
    June 26, 2019 12:05 p.m.

    @Tekakaromatagi - Dammam, Saudi Arabia

    "So-called conversion therapy is a human rights transgression that should be given no quarter by the state of Utah," is precisely what I intended. "Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status." Practicing conversion therapy on a minor is child abuse, it is fraud, and the negative consequences are life-long.

    "If we call everything that moves a "human rights violation" when a real human rights violation comes along, and we call it out, no one is going to believe us anymore because we've been crying wolf for too long." So Called, "conversion therapy," this is a severe human rights violation (if you prefer), so is lashing people for being gay, or executing them for acting on being gay. This is very real human rights abuse and it must end.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 26, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    The inconvenient fact was that Masters and Johnson, the original sex-researchers, published an over 70% success rate with conversion therapy. They had no reason to lie about it; they were already controversial simply by being sex researchers at all.

    There are countless success stories, but, of course, no researcher will touch the subject now because they don't want to have to deal with shrieking hordes of violent protesters.

    Whether the therapy is effective or ineffective, I don't see how anyone can pass a law against people having a right to voluntarily try it. Furthermore, how can anyone "deny the reality" of those who self-report that conversion therapy worked for them .

    This is just another political power play by those whose agenda it is to normalize homosexuality. They want to legally suppress any objections.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 26, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    @Hugh1:
    " . . . you are denying them the ability to love, to be self-reliant, and to find inner strength in family, friends, and relationships. So-called conversion therapy is a human rights transgression "

    As with most people arguing your side, there is a lot of vague generalities.

    In any event, so if someone was ostracized by his father and he goes to see a therapist and the therapist talks with him a lot about it. Maybe the therapist is successful, or not successful, are you saying that if he goes to a family function that he is not going to be able to enjoy it, the socializing, that somehow, he has become blind to his friends and family?

    Please explain how that is so?

    "conversion therapy is a human rights transgression."
    Transgression? The more common term is 'violation'.

    It isn't a human rights violation. Trial without a presentation of evidence, or slavery, or torture are human rights violations. If we call everything that moves a "human rights violation", when a real human rights violation comes along, and we call it out, no one is going to believe us anymore because we've been crying wolf for too long.

  • Hugh1 , 00
    June 26, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    Conversion therapy is a really, really dangerous practice that cannon be undone - it is psychologically conditioning a person to recoil at one's most primal instinct, sexual orientation. I have no doubt that you can make a gay person wince when they see gay porn, but why? I have no doubt that you can make a person believe that they are not in love with a person of the same sex, but why? What are you offering them in return? The answer, nothing - no wait - worse than nothing, you are denying them the ability to love, to be self-reliant, and to find inner strength in family, friends, and relationships. So-called conversion therapy is a human rights transgression that should be given no quarter by the state of Utah. Its practitioners should be charged with consumer fraud and child abuse.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 26, 2019 7:56 a.m.

    @Impartial7:
    "Whomever invented shocking people to get them to comply to authority is barbaric."

    Thank you, I have asked before specifically what are the methods used in conversion therapy, and you are the first person to talk about electrical shock. I don't think that the point of electric shock therapy is to convince someone to comply to authority, but it is to give them some instinctive sense that if they do something then something bad will happen.

    What voltages are used? There is a difference between 1-2 volts and 60 volts? Do they use this for other therapies? Shouldn't that be illegal also? Or above certain volts?

    I am all for banning electrical shock therapy as a psychological tool, or perhaps, any therapies that use pain to change. Don't just limit it to gay conversion therapy, if someone wants therapy for something else, like weight control or obsessive-compulsive disorder or whatever,

    But if someone is gay and wants to change, they should be allowed to make a choice and go to a therapist who can talk with them about it. No torture, just talk. If the law is too broad then that could be banned instead.

  • bassoonlady OREM, UT
    June 25, 2019 9:30 p.m.

    The thing that worries me the most is not about gays, but about gender dysphoria.
    Shouldn't therapists be helping people accept what they can't change, be it sexual orientation or biological sex?
    Ban shock therapy, but don't disallow therapists from helping youth with gender dysphoria.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 25, 2019 8:25 p.m.

    Whomever invented shocking people to get them to comply to authority is barbaric. Nuremberg dealt with a lot of those type of people. Utah should be embarrassed.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    June 25, 2019 6:55 p.m.

    Excellent points in the article...Love one another.

  • Stephen D Orem, UT
    June 25, 2019 6:50 p.m.

    What I wrote to the county council:

    “Dear County Council,

    I found out tonight that you will be considering a resolution tomorrow encouraging the State Legislature to pass a ban of so-called “conversion therapy”.

    Not all therapies with the aim of reducing same-sex sexual attraction are created equal. The therapy I received from my licensed therapist was regular talk therapy that helped me reframe my understanding of my attractions, thereby resulting in a decrease in my same-sex sexual response.

    It was not coercive or shaming. It looked nothing like what is depicted in the movie “Boy Erased”. Please do not encourage the legislature to enact a ban that endangers the helpful therapy I received.

    I spoke a few days ago to a man in Sydney, Australia. He has seen seven therapists over the years and not one of them is willing to help him even reduce his attractions. They all tell him the only way to be happy is to act on his attractions and come out as Gay. The complete lack of help and the pressure he has received from his therapists has been very damaging and discouraging to him.

    ...”