Boy in Utah had typhoid fever after time in border detention camp

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  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    "It is his parent's fault he was in the Detention Center though."
    Nope. It's the Trump administration's fault. We don't have to detain kids. We don't have to separate them from their parents with no plan to reunite them. The Trump administration has determined that they're going to treat every border crossing, including those who cross the border to apply for asylum (the only legal way to do it at present), as an illegal crossing and lock up those who do it. They don't have to. Our hands are not tied. This policy is meant to act as a deterrent, so say to anyone so desperate for a better life that they'd make the trip, "Sorry--we're full up. We've put our candle under the bushel."
    What's the solution? It's been reported that under the previous administrations (plural), if an asylum seeker was given a legal representative and a court date, nearly 100% returned for an asylum hearing and if it was denied, left the country. Hm. Treat people like animals, or treat them like humans--I wonder which makes us more or less human ourselves.

  • reriding Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Zabilde, There is nothing about Nazis in the definition. The association is your own.

    So you would prefer an epidemic to a single case of typhoid? That is short sighted in the extreme. Typhoid is spread by contact with contaminated food and water, and you are more likely to get it, in normal circumstances, from your lettuce than from the person next to you. The lack of sanitation in the camps is a good way to spread typhoid, since careful washing of food and hands is a good way to prevent infection.

    The disease exists in the US with or without immigrants or world travelers bringing it here.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    June 26, 2019 5:47 a.m.

    reriding, no, the height of folly would be to allow them into the general population of the nation carrying these diseases where they can spread quickly to a much larger audience. By detaining them in these detention centers. (They are not concentration camps, please stop trying to associate these centers, which have been in constant use since at least 2000, with Nazi atrocities)

    The detention centers are required due to court rulings. And they serve to allow the Border patrol to monitor and try to identify those who are ill. In this case it didn't quite work, he may have caught the disease at the detention center or more likely it he had it when he arrived and it just ran through it's incubation period but he was released before the symptoms started fully showing.

    But what if he hadn't gone to the detention center? But had just carried that disease into the US. Come to Utah and spent four or five days spreading it before he started showing symptoms? How many more could have been infected?

    The Detention center did it's job, even if it didn't catch the disease before he left. It contained the infection to a much smaller pool of people.

  • reriding Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 10:50 p.m.

    If it's true that immigrants bring disease with them across the border, isn't it the height of folly to cram them into concentration camps that lack nutrition, sanitation, medical care, and supervision? This would be creating a veritable breeding ground for more disease. And isn't it our duty, if we incarcerate someone, to accept the custodial care of that person and provide them with the those things?

  • Maximus Meridius Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 9:59 p.m.

    The dem candidates for president have been promising us for months that there is no crisis on the border. Then they refuse to fund the programs/people that are trying to provide the services to the children and blame Trump for it. Typical. Trump doesn't make laws or fund projects....the feckless congress does.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 9:27 p.m.

    Who is to pay for all the health care needs of the children and adults at the border or coming cross illegally? Who are we taking money from to pay for it. Or, are we just going to keep running the national debt and deficit up to pay for it? Our national debt is over 22 "trillion". What is the Dems plan to address our debt? Or, to pay for the health care of uninsured U.S. children? Just wondering...

  • VickieB Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 8:22 p.m.

    Maybe we should admit that the six amnesties under Clinton, including the Nicaragua and Central America relief act that gave amnesty to close to one million people, were all failures. You can't reward people for breaking the law, and expect a different outcome in the future.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    June 25, 2019 5:13 p.m.

    @2 bits
    Hint playing the blame game is only effective at justifying doing nothing. I won’t defend what democrats did in the past will you continue to defend what Trump and company are doing (or not doing) know?

  • storm3033 Vernal, Utah
    June 25, 2019 4:54 p.m.

    @long last guess who pays for it be cuz the dems...the payer is paying regardless of the funding amount. The dems funding bills are stuck in McConnell graveyard. The question should be how much money is the for profit prison industry getting out of the taxpayer pocket

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2019 4:50 p.m.

    @Tolstoy
    RE: "The money spent under Bush and Obama building walls was waisted"...
    ---
    So... why did Democrats vote for it? Can you explain that for us again?

    And better yet... why did they just see the light in 2016? When they voted to fund wall construction in 2015?

    Hint... Politics. That's all this is to them... politics. Votes..

    And for Republicans too for the most part. It's just politics. Votes.

    They will both say whatever they think gets them the most votes.

    It didn't in fact become "Immoral" between 2015 and 2016. It just became politically-expedient. It just became politically-expedient for Dems to change course between 2015 and 2016, because Trump won the election. And Dems can't accept that. They still can't accept it. Almost 3 years later.

    The walls were the same. Then and now. He's just extending the wall built by his predecessors.

    Be consistent people.

    Either immoral then AND now. Or moral, both in 2015 and 2016. The wall didn't change, it's the same wall. Just who's in the White House changed. And that's what it's really about. Isn't it?

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 25, 2019 4:09 p.m.

    This article is disingenuous because it does not indicate that illegal immigrants bring with them many diseases not common in the U.S. This article subtly blames the detention centers and the government for the disease.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    June 25, 2019 3:55 p.m.

    @2 bits and yuge
    The money spent under Bush and Obama building walls was waisted. It is money/time and resources that could have been used to find ways to help to stabilize their economies and communities so they would not feel they need to take such great risk to find safety and stability for their families. Throwing good money after bad by building more sections of wall is not going to solve that problem or stop the human flow.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    June 25, 2019 3:36 p.m.

    @Tolstoy
    Maybe we should stop pretending that de facto amnesty helps anybody and start enforcing the laws on the books.

    Maybe we should admit the failure of the NACARA amnesty program, as well as the Reagan amnesty.

    Maybe we should realize that there are deterrents that WILL work, and turn off the magnet.

    ...or, we can just continue to play ID politics with the lives of children.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    June 25, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    Anyone want to guess who pays for all of this illegal immigration mess that the Democrats won't help fix? Throwing some money at the detention conditions is just 'learning to live with the problem' and not acting to solve the problem.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    @Tolstoy
    RE: "Maybe we should stop pretending that a wall is anything but a feeble attempt to anything more turn a blind eye to these children’s suffering"...
    ---
    And are we also going to stop pretending the wall sections they built when Obama was President were different?

    And the sections Bush built after the Secure Fence Act (which Democrats including Sen Obama and Rep Pelosi voted for)... was different?

    Pres Clinton also built parts of this wall. Was that a " feeble attempt to turn a blind eye to children’s suffering"? Or just when a President you hate does builds sections of the same wall?

    ===

    The wall is not causing any child in the United States to suffer. Even those who come illegally or apply for asylum and end up in these detention centers till their case can be adjudicated.

    The wall didn't put them there. Their actions put them there. The wall is intended to keep children from ending up there. Do you really not get that?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:35 p.m.

    @Yuge Opportunity Here

    Maybe we should stop pretending that a wall is anything but a feeble attempt to anything more turn a blind eye to these children’s suffering.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:06 p.m.

    Poor little guy.

    Maybe we should build a wall to stop this nonsensical enticement.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 25, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    @2 bits

    "Haven't seen any hatred towards the boy (in the article or the comments). Care to point any of it out that you've seen?"

    Did I say there was any in the article or the comments? No I didn't. And obviously I wouldn't because I was the first commenter!

    But lots of people read articles like this and form conclusions like "immigrants are bringing foreign diseases here, therefore I'm going to hate them", when the truth is typhoid was already here. Journalism like this is what gets people like Trump elected.

  • PDN SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    @ 2 bits Nothing in the article indicates one way or another that his parents tried to cross illegally. Individuals who present themselves at a legal port of entry seeking asylum are also detained in a detention center pending a background check and a preliminary evaluation of the basis for their asylum claim. This can take days.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    DN, you do realize that they come from areas where there is more disease due to no vaccinations and bad sanitation. Fanning the flames once again in an inflammatory article. Congress holds total responsibility for any tragedy, or condition at the border, no one else can be blamed for all of the disregard of our laws, no one, it’s their’s to own.

  • RRB Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    So when is the Democratic held house going to appropriate money for better shelters? And when are we going to get serious about border security and changes in the laws, and stop the influx?

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    The Trump administration and the Republicans have this monstrous policy on its shoulders and souls...........

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    @Brave
    RE: "Articles like this contribute to unnecessary fear, hysteria, and ultimately, hatred"...
    ---
    Haven't seen any hatred towards the boy (in the article or the comments). Care to point any of it out that you've seen?

    The boy can't help it if he caught Typhoid. It's not his fault he got sick.

    It is his parent's fault he was in the Detention Center though. They should have come up with a better plan. Planning to walk across the border and hopefully sneak in illegally is never a "Good" plan.

    What if they had not been caught (and held in the Detention Center)?

    He could have been out in the middle of the Arizona Desert in Summer with Typoid Fever. He could have died.

    Not the kid's fault. Nobody hates him.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:06 p.m.

    Something we all need to come to understand is... Detention Centers, and Refugee Camps, in general, are not nice places to be. They are frequently dirty, and exposed, and perfect conditions for getting and spreading diseases.

    We have refugee camps around the world. Ours are relatively good compared to others. But could they be nicer, better accommodations? Sure.

    And better medical treatment? That's always a problem in refugee situations. They often come to the refugee camp sick, and it spreads like wildfire in those conditions.

    Refugee camps are not super-safe places to be. They never have been. Neither are detention centers.

    I am surprised they let the boy come to Utah if he had Typhoid...

    And he must have had Typhoid before he left the detention center. He didn't get it on the way to Utah. That's a one day drive. They just didn't detect it. And why? That's part of what these waiting areas are for... to make sure the people coming into the country don't have communicable diseases.

    If he was ill... they should have kept him there till he was better, not send him off to Utah for treatment.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 25, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    Typical fearmongering, anti-immigrant article. There are about 15 cases of typhoid fever per year "home grown" right here in Utah.

    You have a better chance of getting typhoid from not washing your lettuce than you do by catching it from an immigrant.

    Articles like this contribute to unnecessary fear, hysteria, and ultimately, hatred.