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  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    June 25, 2019 6:14 p.m.

    search diligently - Lehi, UT
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    This terrorism-sponsoring regime has had a free pass for way too long.

    President Trump is on the right course of action.
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    Iran's sponsorship of any form of terrorism pales when compared to Saudi Arabia, ether at the state level, such as the recent murder where the Crown Prince has been implicated, charitable organizations that give aid and comfort to terrorists and terrorist groups, or individual Saudis who have taken the radical interpretations of Islam promoted by Saudi clerics to actual attacks here in the US.

    Yet Trump's statements essentially add up to 'so what, they do good business with us.'

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    June 25, 2019 6:01 p.m.

    @Utefan60 - , 00

    "Copybook Headings - Draper, UT, You can deflect and claim that these same things happened under other Presidents. It's called deflection, and Cognitive Dissonance Copybook. Take a minute and look up this disorder."

    It's not cognitive dissonance to point out bald faced hypocrisy. Obama stood back and did nothing while Russia invaded The Ukraine and Georgia and he cancelled US commitments to defend Poland and The Czech Republic with missile defense systems. But you're going to lecture about Trump 'violating world trust'?? Until Trump is caught on a hot mic begging Putin for time (until after the elections or something) Democrats should just keep quiet.

    "Guess what, if it did it was the past. This is current situation. So stand up and defend it without deflection."

    Pretty rich considering all we heard for eight years of Obama was that every problem he ever had was all George Bush's fault.

    And here's my defense of Trump: There is no doubt in any right thinking person's mind that Iran is working on Nukes. And Trump is trying to stop them. That terrible deal with Iran is probably what Obama was asking Putin for patience on.

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    June 25, 2019 5:17 p.m.

    This terrorism-sponsoring regime has had a free pass for way too long.

    President Trump is on the right course of action.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    June 25, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:34 p.m.
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    RE: "Iran's naval commander, however, has warned that Iranian forces would not hesitate to act again and shoot down more U.S. surveillance drones that violate Iranian airspace."...
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    We (or the UN) need to meet with them and see what they think is "Iranian airspace". There's evidently disagreement on that.
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    Iran is well aware of International vs. Iranian airspace. Most countries also have a 'zone' that in includes their defensive perimeter. Recall that the water surrounding Cuba is 'international', yet the US blockaded the area in 1962, despite it being 'international'.

    The USS Vincennes shot down a Iranian commercial jet, killing all 290 people on board while it was still in Iranian airspace by any one's definition. There is no territorial claim by the US for any portion of the Gulf.

    Having lived long enough to remember such things as the attack on the USS Liberty, the USS Pueblo, and such international incidents as the KLA007, shot down by a Soviet fighter, I'd be hard pressed to agree with anything the Administration does in regard to Iran.

    All of these incidents were responded to with diplomacy, not guns.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    June 25, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron - Salt Lake City, UT
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    Every time Iran lashes out, it will be justification for tightening the noose. The Ayatollah is going to feel it personally now. The natives are getting restless in Iran. There will be a deal, a revolution or Iran’s economy will continue its death spiral and they will turn into Venezuela.
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    Iran has been subjected to various types of sanctions for now 40 years. In which, they have had a 7 year war with Iraq, and maintained a battle line mostly in and around the common Iraq/Iran border. This was done without the help of the US, which Iraq had.

    Nothing rallies a people more than to have an identifiable enemy, that is actively pursuing warlike plans and actions.

    Trump just gave the Iranian leaders a rallying point.

    By walking out of The Deal, Trump has left Iran to pursue any means it wants to arm up, whether with a domestic nuclear armament development, or make agreements of mutual defense with China and Russia.

    The Trump following antiglobalists seem to think that Russia will just sit back as the US vacates the international leadership position.

    In fact Russian and China are now thankful for Trump and Co. and are filling the vacuum.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 25, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    @Utefan60 " You can deflect and claim that these same things happened under other Presidents. It's called deflection, and Cognitive Dissonance Copybook. "

    I thought it was called "having studied and remembering history."

    Thank God we have a President willing to stand firm with demands, rather than being an apologetic lapdog.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    Backing out of signed agreements and military action is failing. Maybe the continually failing Donald needs to throw more shade or fake facts at all of our old allies at the G20.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    June 25, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    Copybook Headings - Draper, UT, nice try at deflecting and blaming others for what is happening right now. Trump supporters have a real problem with current facts. You can deflect and claim that these same things happened under other Presidents. It's called deflection, and Cognitive Dissonance Copybook. Take a minute and look up this disorder.

    Trump supporters deflect every time they can not defend what is currently happening under Trump. It is happening now and Trump has in all aspects violated the alliances that were set to reign in Iran. Our allies are holding firm to those commitments. Trump lost the trust of the world and our allies with is erratic behavior.

    But keep deflecting Copybook. Keep saying the same thing happened in the past. Guess what, if it did it was the past. This is current situation. So stand up and defend it without deflection. Bet you can not do that. No Trump supporter can ever defend this man without bad mouthing others. Same thing Trump does all the time. And it is not right for honest, decent, and patriotic Americans who do not tolerate this.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    June 25, 2019 4:51 a.m.

    @Utefan60

    "... he violated our trust worldwide and our allies are sick and tired of this behavior, ..."

    I wonder what the people in Georgia and the Ukraine would have to say about this. Or how about the people in Poland and the Czech Republic.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 12:05 a.m.

    Jim Chee: “When Donald Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Treaty…”

    The JCPoA guaranteed Iran would get nuclear weapons; it just kicked the can down the road. If Iran ever got nukes, based on their history of fighting us through surrogate Jihadist organizations, they would put one in the hands of one of these terror groups which would find its way to the US. They have an apocalyptic ideology that would love to see a nuclear holocaust.

    Jim Chee: “Sanctions...have to be used with discretion lest ... (Iran) gets desperate to take some type of action.”

    Iran is already desperate. The types of actions they will take are the ones they have been taking since 1979. They have been at war with us since the Islamic Revolution. We don’t need to invade Iran. We have them boxed in. If they attack our ships, that gives us license to hit back. We could destroy their entire navy and air force in two hours.

    The sanctions have the ability to precipitate a revolution or turn the Iran into a Venezuela-style economic waste land. Their nuclear ambitions would fade far into the rearview mirror with simple survival constantly in front of them. It takes money to fight a war and build nukes.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 24, 2019 7:53 p.m.

    Sad when people form opinions with little facts or common sense to go on!

    Research and study is the way to go.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    June 24, 2019 6:16 p.m.

    Trump betrayed our allies with his unilateral withdrawl from the treaty. Period!

    His betrayal allowed Iran to do whatever they wanted, and our allies were blindsided.

    His betrayal and dishonesty has now put this whole "wag the tail" deal on the hot seat for a possible war.

    This is Trump's fault. All of this is due to his poor and erratic decisions.

    No matter what his "supporters' twist here on these blogs, he violated our trust worldwide and our allies are sick and tired of this behavior, as are most patriotic and honest Americans.

    It is impossible to have any moral values, honesty and intelligence and support his antics. Not possible.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    @Mad
    RE: "But don't say that Donald Trump has had anything to do with restraining Iran's nuclear and missile programs"...
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    Why?

    There's more than one approach to any one thing.

    Trump used sanctions. They work.

    Obama used the treaty, they work too.

    But this one gave Iran everything they wanted (money for their nuclear program, and lax monitoring).

    That's why they want it back.

    Do you think Iran would want the treaty back if it was keeping them from doing anything they wanted? It wasn't.

    It wasn't keeping them from doing anything they wanted. That's why they want it back and are begging to get it back.

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    RE: "He should ask Iran to pay for the military drone"...
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    Pretty sure they've asked them to pay for it. Iran said no.

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    RE: "Think of Trump's dealings with Kim Jong Un and what success he had"...
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    Yes... think about what success he had...
    NK participates in Olympics for first time.
    First peace talks with South
    Dismantled test and storage facilities

    They are balking now, but that's normal for NK. Did same to Obama, and Bush, and Clinton. Nothing new. Nothing worse than NK when Trump wasn't President.

    You blame Trump for NK being NK?

  • Mad Hatter Albuquerque, NM
    June 24, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2019 1:05 p.m.

    " . . . their nuclear program and missile technology made more progress when Obama was President than past 2.5 years."

    Yes, of course. for the first two years of the Trump administration the Iran Nuclear Treaty has been in effect. That is why their nuclear program stopped. Missile technology was not included, but understand that Iran's neighbors (i.e. Saudi Arabia) are also interested in developing a nuclear deterrent program and missile technology. North Korea, Pakistan, Israel and India have it and more nations want it for self-defense. It is no wonder that Iran sought such technology which may have started after it's terrible war with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

    But don't say that Donald Trump has had anything to do with restraining Iran's nuclear and missile programs because look at what we have today. He should have stayed with calling for unconditional talks and ask Iran to pay for the military drone. Raytheon would certainly like selling another expensive drone to the U.S. military. Think of Trump's dealings with Kim Jong Un and what success he had. And Kim is still testing missiles and rebuilding nuclear test sites.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    June 24, 2019 2:20 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    "Every time Iran lashes out, it will be justification for tightening the noose. The Ayatollah is going to feel it personally now."

    Consider this scenario. When Donald Trump pulled out of the Iran Nuclear Treaty and started putting sanctions on Iran, the other nations involved in the treaty thought it was a very bad move since Iran may re-start their nuclear program. We are seeing this now. The U.S. was the major player in this agreement. By leaving, the agreement gets literally voided.

    Sanctions are intended to cause a change within the regime, but they have to be used with discretion lest the nation (Iran) gets desperate to take some type of action. You are forgetting the war Iran fought with Iraq and the extent they went in their fight. You don't want to "break" Iran and make an even greater mess than we had with Iraq and continue to have to this day. You want to work with them, but Trump goes full bore to show how tough he is and may end up having a war that the U.S. can't win.

    Try to see this from Iran's perspective. When faced with an opponent like the U.S. which wants to humiliate and . . . [more]

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  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    June 24, 2019 2:20 p.m.

    2 of 2 [continued

    . . . basically defeat, Iran may choose to fight a war rather than give in to what it considers an unacceptable choice. It's the same thing we face with North Korea where maintaining the Kim dynasty is paramount. And like with North Korea, the nations that really suffer will not include the United States.

    Diplomacy requires a soft touch. There needs to be a win-win, not Trump's usual "I win, you lose". Rather than forcing Iran into the unimaginable, negotiations need to be re-established to bring back the nuclear deal that existed before (maybe improved as necessary), but bellicose noise won't do the job. If nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is to be avoided, the Trump administration must stop its efforts to help Saudi Arabia become a nuclear power. An unmanageable North Korea is bad enough. But the U.S. has to engage Iran in more than a punishment game, pinning it to the ground and unleashing forces we really don't want to see in the region.

    Iran would be a very formidable opponent and both Russia and China are on Iran's side. It's not Iraq. Several times the size in population, nothing would unite that country like a war with the United States.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 24, 2019 1:30 p.m.

    Nice move

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    The problem is... IF Iran gets close to making Nuclear Warheads to put on the missiles they perfected during the Obama years... Israel has the ability and will have no choice but to blow up Iran's nuclear production facilities.

    This will obviously start a war, which America and lot of other countries will be drawn into.

    That's what we're trying to avoid.

    Iran has perfected the missile technology they need. They brought in foreign engineers to help them develop their missile guidance and propulsion to where it's sufficient (Rogue nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan). Now they just need the warheads, and they have brought in experts from Russia and Pakistan to help design their nuclear weapons plans.

    Google "Nuclear program of Iran - WIkipedia"
    or "Timeline of the nuclear program of Iran - Wikipedia

    It didn't start with Trump. They've been working on this goal since the 1950s. Trump is just more serious about it than his predecessor IMO. But things weren't peachy between USA and Iran when Obama was President either.

    I agree getting out of the treaty was a mistake... unless we make a better treaty with them in the end.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    For those who doubted me, I said after the downing of the drone: "My prediction is that Trump will do nothing militarily in response to the drone. This just adds another strike in turning the international community against them and tightening the sanctions."

    Every time Iran lashes out, it will be justification for tightening the noose. The Ayatollah is going to feel it personally now. The natives are getting restless in Iran. There will be a deal, a revolution or Iran’s economy will continue its death spiral and they will turn into Venezuela.

    This is the best kind of warfare. We risk very little while Iran slowly exsanguinates. They become ever more desperate, while we go on with life. And what is best about this is the Iranian people are blaming the government for their suffering. A military attack would provoke a sense of nationalism and support for the government. This is fueling resentment, anger and distrust; the seeds of revolution.

    It's absolutely brilliant.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2019 1:05 p.m.

    wgirl
    RE: "Just last week he said he wanted to be "best friends" with Iran"...
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    Every US President since Carter has "WANTED" to be friends with Iran, but Iran has made it so hard, by starting wars, funding terrorists, and calling for genocide (the destruction of the 10 Million people living in Israel).

    Pres Obama for sure wanted to be friends with Iran, he said so. That's why he gave in so much. Iran LOVED the treaty. That's why they are so upset and freaking out to get it back.

    Nobody wants bad relations with Iran, even Trump.

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    RE: "If only we had a multi-national treaty with Iran"...
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    We have had many international treaties with Iran. Google it. Many.

    This was not the first. And it probably won't be the last.

    Sometimes getting out of an agreement is the first step in making a better agreement. I think that's how Trump and many Americans see it. And many Israelites (who's lives are a stake) see it.

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    @Craig Clark
    RE: " I see U.S. foreign policy being badly botched in the hands of an amateur"...
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    Are you talking about Obama?

    Because their nuclear program and missile technology made more progress when Obama was President than past 2.5 years.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    RE: "Iran's naval commander, however, has warned that Iranian forces would not hesitate to act again and shoot down more U.S. surveillance drones that violate Iranian airspace."...
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    We (or the UN) need to meet with them and see what they think is "Iranian airspace". There's evidently disagreement on that.

    If they say the air over the straight is "Iranian Airspace"... then we (or the UN) need to show them the international treaty stating the airspace over the straight is international airspace.

    Google "Strait of Hormuz - WIkiPedia"...
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    It's not Iranian airspace.

    The straight is a highly important strategic location for international trade. It's not controlled by Iran, or they could close it when they want to throw a hissy-fit, and that can't happen.

    Commercial air traffic has already been ordered to avoid this area because Iranian leaders are so un-trustable and don't care about human life.

    Iran has threatened to close traffic in the straight many times before. I suspect that was the undisclosed threat this time too.

    If they mine the straight, or shoot-down air traffic over the straight... the international community (USA included) must respond.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 24, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    The mindset of the coalition needed to make this stand even an outside chance of making this work is overwhelmingly in the direction towards de-escalation. Whose minds are going to be changed? Is U.S. leadership caught in a time warp? I see U.S. foreign policy being badly botched in the hands of an amateur.

  • Culture Warrior Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    I'm not even that well versed in international affairs and after hearing the news of the drone my first thought was that there would be severe economic sanctions in response ...so I'm wondering, what did Iran think would happen?

  • wgirl , 00
    June 24, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    Just last week he said he wanted to be "best friends" with Iran. Now he is imposing more sanctions. I don't know if that is a good move or not...but Trump has been flip-flopping a lot lately, perhaps he will cancel them a few days from now. Who knows?

    If only we had a multi-national treaty with Iran that could have laid the foundation for a more positive and productive relationship.

    Oh, wait. We did.