Why BYU can't wait for season opener against arch-rival Utah; what lessons did Cougars learn from last year's loss?

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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 1, 2019 11:51 p.m.

    Marked it Down - Park City, UT
    June 29, 2019 2:51 p.m.
    utemythology

    “Utah was the best WAC team in 1994, what part of Utah finished #10/#8 confuses you?”

    What part of lost to New Mexico (5-7) and to Air Force and didn’t win the 1994 WAC championship...

    confuses U?

    ------

    #10 Utah > MWC Champion #16 Colorado

    #10 Utah > #11 PAC-10 Champion Oregon

    Sorry you're having such a hard time understanding the importance of a top 10 finish.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 1, 2019 12:41 p.m.

    Road Runner:

    When had ybU-p EVER been invited to a "power" conference?

    Answer: 😂 NEVER

    "1 - National Championship 2008...NOPE!...(only a desperate Ute would try to claim that as a legitimate national championship)"

    NOPE! The NCAA recognizes Utah as a college football national champion for the 2008 season. Only a desperate indy-WACer would try to deny that. And ESPECIALLY after this fact having been PROVEN on these threads, and all major media outlets in the state having also already reported on it.

    Look little bro. I GET that you're wracked with anguish and envy over the fact that Utah's football program is just so vastly superior to your own, but that's to be expected. After all, we have a fairly recent national championship that was earned via beating 4 ranked teams -- 2 of whom finished ranked in the Top-10 no less -- and 2 January bowl trophies, AND we're a P5 school. You guys on the other hand are still super WACish and midmajory. You hadn't "earned" any "power league" status, which is also why you hadn't been extended any "power league" invites. But merely "denying" it doesn't change things one iota. Everybody knows Utah > ybU-p. How miserable for you!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 30, 2019 6:19 p.m.

    Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 28, 2019 10:01 a.m.
    utemythology

    "Did BYU get 1/2 Holiday Bowl trophy?"

    No, each team got a bowl trophy acknowledging the tie.

    -----

    They each got bowl participation trophy!

    And you're doing cartwheels for it 30 years later.

    LOL

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 29, 2019 8:22 p.m.

    Wild Ute - Sandy, UT
    re: When has Utah football EVER been relevant?

    😂 NEVER

    1 - National Championship 2008

    NOPE!

    Florida was THE Consensus National Champion - won the BCS Championship and finished #1 in every major poll

    Utah finished at the top of the obscure Anderson-Hester poll

    (only a desperate Ute would try to claim that as a legitimate national championship)

    —-

    0 - Heisman Trophies it’s a team sport

    It takes a great team to make an individual player shine

    1 - National HOF Players 1978 Larry Wilson

    Wilson has NEVER been inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 29, 2019 2:51 p.m.

    utemythology

    “Utah was the best WAC team in 1994, what part of Utah finished #10/#8 confuses you?”

    What part of lost to New Mexico (5-7) and to Air Force and didn’t win the 1994 WAC championship...

    confuses U?

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 28, 2019 10:59 p.m.

    When has Utah football EVER been relevant? Always

    1 - National Championship 2008
    0 - Heisman Trophies it’s a team sport
    1 - National HOF Players 1978 Larry Wilson INT: 52, INT YDS: 800, TDs 5, Steve Smith could and should be next Utah’s HOF winner was way before BYUs entry
    Best QB Scott Mitchell, Best Passer Scott Mitchell YDS 8,981 TD 69 set 39 National Collegiate Athletic Assn., Western Athletic Conference and school offensive records, Best RB Several Mike Anderson, Jamal Anderson, Carl Monroe, who can forget Eddie Johnson, And Best Interior Lineman OT and OG Jordan Gross Consensus first-team All-American (2002) Awards, Zane Beadles first team All-American by the FWAA, Garrett Bolles first team All-Pac-12 first round (20th overall), Isaac Asiata 2016 Morris Trophy as the Pac-12's best offensive lineman, voted by the starting defensive linemen in the conference.
    Utah has won 24 conference championships in five different conferences
    Undefeated Seasons 5
    Original BCS Busters Utah
    Bowl record17–5
    Come on give us a challenge why do you think Utah was invited to a P5 conference?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 28, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    @Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah

    It proves nothing.

    Just because some stat site does it that way, doesn't mean it's right.

    Go to any site, like the NCAA, that compiles wins and losses. They show 3 numbers, when all 3 exist. Wins, losses and ties. Three unique numbers.

    Utah v. BYU = 58-31-4 as an example. It's not 60-33. Ties are listed as ties. For winning %, who cares what they do? Win % doesn't tell you how many games you've actually won.

    Sorry JTF, you can't win 1/2 a bowl game.

    Let me know if you ever see a metric where a college football team is shown with a .5 win or loss. It doesn't exist.

    By definition, you have neither won, nor lost, so it's listed as a tie.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 28, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    Team - Year - Conf - W - L - T - Pct
    Utah - 1928 - RMC - 5 - 0 - 2 - 85.7

    Counting only wins and losses, Utah's winning percentage would have been 100%
    Counting wins, losses and ties (0.5 win, 0.5 loss), Utah's winning percentage was 85.7%

    * source: sports-reference.com

    6-1-0 = 85.7% winning percentage
    5-0-2 = 85.7% winning percentage

    Proving, that a tie is counted as 0.5 win and 0.5 loss
    Two ties is exactly the same as having a 1 win and 1 loss

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 28, 2019 10:01 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Did BYU get 1/2 Holiday Bowl trophy?"

    No, each team got a bowl trophy acknowledging the tie.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2019 11:19 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    June 26, 2019 12:28 p.m.
    Utah-Haw

    "BYU did beat highly ranked Kansas State in 1996.........their last victory vs any ranked P5 team. The whY has only beaten 3 ranked P5 teams EVER!"

    BYU beat the famed Pony Express, #20/#20 SMU in the 1980 Holiday Bowl,
    tied #10/#10 Iowa in the 1991 Holiday Bowl
    and beat #17/#17 Kansas St in the 1996 Cotton Bowl

    -----

    Did BYU get 1/2 Holiday Bowl trophy?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 27, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    @ ND95CA,

    I'm sorry I upset you. I want you to be happy and also keep your pride after Utah dispatches BYu at LES yet again the August. U folks matter......remember that.......

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 27, 2019 12:08 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA

    "Wins over final ranked in both major polls"
    -------------
    Utah2; BYU 2.

    Period. No portion of a tie is a win

  • Hugo West Jordan, UT
    June 27, 2019 11:39 a.m.

    This seems as good a time as any to issue my annual reminder for everyone to wait to declare a winner until a couple of hours after the final buzzer in order to give BYU fans enough time to settle on whichever obscure stat (besides the scoreboard, of course) was actually the way the game should have been scored.

    Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the team with the higher score is the winner! Just like you shouldn't be foolish enough to think that 9 straight W's means the Utes have been on a winning streak (hint: it actually means BYU has been the superior program over the last decade).

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 27, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    @one liner - Dallas, TX

    Note: Utah fans also think the tie for the PAC 12 South isn't real. That is the P12 saying Co-Champ. Not Utah saying it.

    When you are co-champ with a team that beat you head to head? Yeah, that isn't a tie.

    And a tie isn't a win. Conferences do dumb things for their participants. from the WAC to the SEC and all in between.

    But claiming a "partial win" from a bowl game tie? Come on. Nobody does that. It's not a win. It's a tie. By definition.

    It's not even arguable.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 27, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    A tie is not a win, but it's not nothing either, so if you are counting something that includes a tie, 2 wins and 1 tie would be ever so slightly better than 2 wins.

    The funny part is the guy trying to claim superiority over the other team when the tie negates the conversation at best.

    The other funny part is seeing all of the posts about Utah being a Pac-S champion when they "tied" USC with USC winning the tie-breaker making Utah 2nd place.

    Personally I think the whole thing is meaningless, but watching grown men twist and contort themselves to be right on something that can't possible matter is entertainment at it's finest.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    June 27, 2019 8:25 a.m.

    Utah was the best WAC team in 1994, what part of Utah finished #10/#8 confuses you?

    —-

    What part of Utah failed to win the 1994 WAC championship because U lost to New Mexico (5-7) and Air Force do you not understand?

    ------

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 26, 2019 11:55 p.m.

    @northern_lights - Layton, UT

    "LOL at how clueless the kids on the hill are."

    "A tie has ALWAYS been considered the same as 1/2 win and 1/2 loss in calculating conference team records."
    --------------------
    This isn't soccer. And Bowl Games don't factor into conference standings. A tie is a tie, not a win, by definition. And there is no partial credit for a tie. Your argument is honestly laughable.

    Utah v. BYU stands as follows: 58-31-4. Yes, Utah and BYU have tied 4 times. But they haven't given each team 2 wins. They actually show the tie. Because by definition, they are NOT a win.

    To argue partial credit for a bowl game is truly hilarious. This is the BYU logic / argument?.....Bwaahahahahahahahaha!!! Nice.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2019 8:52 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    June 26, 2019 8:39 a.m.
    utemythology

    re: "When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team, which couldn’t have cared less about playing mid-major Utah in an also-ran bowl?"

    ---

    That would be 1994 #10 Utah. Beat #20 Arizona in Freedom Bowl.
    We also beat #11 P10 Champion Oregon, #16 CSU, and #18 BYU.

    ---

    Yet U failed to win the WAC championship because U lost to New Mexico (5-7).

    ------

    Utah was the best WAC team in 1994, what part of Utah finished #10/#8 confuses you?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 26, 2019 5:53 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA

    The distinction is "relevance". BYU fans spout off ancient and obscure metrics that don't apply to today's college football (or really ever, except to them). That is all I am saying.

    BYU has some nice accomplishments in their history. I acknowledge them and honestly respect them.

    But are 11 win season comparisons even meaningful if your argument is with a team that beats you 66% of the time, historically? Has more overall wins AND has a higher win% historically? Let alone if those 11 win seasons were in the 80's?

    It's NOT relevant is it? Honestly, is that anyone's "goto" metric anyway?

    BTW, the CFP has been around for only the last 5 yrs. That's relevant.

    SOS is used by the CFP committee these days. That's relevant.

    See the distinction? Again, my entire argument is around relevance.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2019 4:44 p.m.

    northern_lights:

    "A tie has ALWAYS been considered the same as 1/2 win and 1/2 loss in calculating conference team records."

    LOL at how desperate the kids in the bubble are. Nobody said anything about "conference team records". YOU asked...

    "When was the last time Utah BEAT a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent…”

    Not...

    “When was the last time Utah beat 'OR TIED' a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent…”

    You just panicked when it had been discovered that our postseason record -- once again -- proved superior to yours. So naturally, in true-blue indy-WACey form, you desperately moved the goal posts by adding “or tied”.

    But fair is fair: if you guys get to move the goal posts and credit yourselves with ½ a point for a "tie", so too can the Utes. Utah now gets to count beating the AP 25th-ranked 2004 Pitt Panthers. Sure, they didn’t finish ranked in both polls, but they DID finish ranked in one of them. And as that's 1 out of 2, it therefore merits at LEAST ½ credit. After all, we actually BEAT them; not “tied” them.

    See how THAT works little bro?

    Edge: Utah.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    June 26, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    LOL at how clueless the kids on the hill are.

    A tie has ALWAYS been considered the same as 1/2 win and 1/2 loss in calculating conference team records.

    Do a little research on conference standings from before tie-breaking rules were implemented and you’ll quickly discover that teams frequently kicked extra points or FGs at the end of games, rather than going for the win because a tie was significantly better than a loss.

    In calculating winning percentages, ties were absolutely considered the same as 1/2 win and 1/2 loss.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2019 2:30 p.m.

    "You're obviously a new comer to college football."

    Lone*Some:

    No, although you're obviously a newcomer to the English language.

    In no definition of the word "beaten" is the word "tie" found. Except, of course, to coog fans who set the criteria for a series of questions, then change that criteria to suit the ongoing efforts to minimize Utah's P5 membership and BYU-P's 8 losses in a row.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    Lone*Star:

    Not only is a “tie” NOT a “win”, it wasn’t even a metric. Aunty Mythology and northern_lights BOTH asked, “When was the last time Utah BEAT a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent…” Not “When was the last time Utah beat OR TIED a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent…” It’s just that since Utah was able to “best” the indy-WACers – again – you guys panicked and desperately attempted to move the goal posts by adding “or tied”.

    So if the Yners can move the goal posts and credit themselves with ½ a point, so too can the Utes. Utah now gets to count beating the 25th-ranked 2004 Pitt Panthers. Sure, they didn’t finish ranked in both polls, but they DID finish ranked in one of them, which therefore merits at LEAST ½ credit. Afterall, we actually DID beat them; not “tie”.

    See how THAT works little bro?

    Edge: Utah.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 26, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    "And for what it's worth, you and deductive reasoning need to understand that a 'tie' doesn't count as a 'win'. Or even half a win. So the truth is, you've only beaten 2 'final ranked teams'."

    This is so ridiculous, a grown man doing backflips to be correct when he's wrong. Where is the dignity or grace to say "hey, I'm wrong".

    A tie is not a win, but it's not nothing. It's accurate to say that BYU has had 2 wins and a tie, compared to Utah's 2 wins without any tie - that would, in that metric, place BYU ahead of Utah because although it's not 3 wins it's more with the tie than Utah has.

    The tie seems to come up frequently when Utah fans spout off about conference championships in the PAC, counting a few years ago with a tie with USC, although in that contest USC won the tie-breaker so it's not really a tie, yet many Utah fans claim that as a conference championship.

    As for the top glory, beating Alabama was a big feat and impressive, congrats on finishing #2 uties. Only one spot is higher than #2, right?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 26, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    John in SLC

    "Football is not *shudder* soccer. A tie is NOT half a win."

    You're obviously a new comer to college football.

    In the days before tie-breaking rules were instituted, ties were counted as
    1/2 win and 1/2 loss in tabulating season records.

    A team with a 10-0-1 record had a BETTER record than a team that finished 10-1-0

    BYU's 2 wins and 1 tie versus final ranked in both major polls bowl opponents
    is BETTER than Utah's 2 wins and 0 ties.

    A tie versus a Top 10 team is actually more impressive than a win over a #20 team.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    Gandalph:

    "It appears that you already have your answer"

    Yep! And it appears that that answer is that northern_lights has no honor. He claimed he would answer our question if we answered his first. We did our part. He ran away. Crickets. Just as I'd suspected.

    And for what it's worth, you and deductive reasoning need to understand that a "tie" doesn't count as a "win". Or even half a win. So the truth is, you've only beaten 2 "final ranked teams".

    It must really hurt to know that the honor of owning the greatest bowl win in the history of the state belongs to your big brother on the hill, by beating a 12-win SEC team who'd finished well within the Top-10. You guys have never done that. Never even came close. How miserable for you.

    Edge: 2008 Utah!

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2019 12:50 p.m.

    "Wins over final ranked in both major polls
    BYU 2.5 > Utah 2.0"

    reactive reasoning:

    Football is not *shudder* soccer. A tie is NOT half a win.

    Were it otherwise, the all-time head-to-head record would be Utah 62 > BYU-P 35, or 59>32 if you prefer to count from when the coogs admitted they played football.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    "I never have."

    onecooger:

    Assuming that's true (even though your screen name is a fairly recent participant in the comments sections--and it will be interesting to see which Ute-obsessed screen names used by coog fans disappear this summer--I haven't read all your comments in every article), bully for you.

    But nearly all of your fellow coog fans are not similarly inclined, so as your "if my team" snark was directed at Ute fans generally, consider my "if my team" response to be directed at coog fans generally.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    June 26, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    It appears that you already have your answer:

    BYU beat the famed Pony Express, #20/#20 SMU in the 1980 Holiday Bowl,
    tied #10/#10 Iowa in the 1991 Holiday Bowl
    and beat #17/#17 Kansas St in the 1996 Cotton Bowl

    Utah beat #20/#20 Arizona in the 1994 Freedom Bowl
    and beat #6/#6 Alabama in the 2008 Sugar Bowl

    Bowl wins over final ranked in both major polls

    BYU 2.5 > Utah 2.0

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 26, 2019 12:28 p.m.

    Utah-Haw

    "BYU did beat highly ranked Kansas State in 1996.........their last victory vs any ranked P5 team. The whY has only beaten 3 ranked P5 teams EVER!"

    BYU beat the famed Pony Express, #20/#20 SMU in the 1980 Holiday Bowl,
    tied #10/#10 Iowa in the 1991 Holiday Bowl
    and beat #17/#17 Kansas St in the 1996 Cotton Bowl

    Utah beat #20/#20 Arizona in the 1994 Freedom Bowl
    and beat #6/#6 Alabama in the 2008 Sugar Bowl

    Wins over final ranked in both major polls

    BYU 2.5 > Utah 2.0

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 26, 2019 12:18 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "You can spout off all of the meaningless metrics you think makes BYU relevant. But literally nobody outside of your fan base cares."

    U do!

    Which is why you constantly spout meaningless metrics like SOS and end of season CFP rankings.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    northern_lights:

    You'd said that you'd answer OUR questions just as soon as we'd answered yours. Well...you've received several answers to your inquiry as of the time of this post, but we're all still waiting on your response! So where'd ya go little bro?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 26, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    @ ArizonaUte,

    BYu did beat highly ranked Kansas State in 1996.........their last victory vs any ranked P5 team. The whY has only beaten 3 ranked P5 teams EVER! BYu is a "NO DICE" factor today and in the future.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 26, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    I'm pleased that "Jell-O" chose to look at reality, finally. The rhetoric and delusions that are all things BYu eventually gets tiresome to some ardent Y fans. Case in point. We Utes, on the other hand, LOVE the hysterical entertainment that all things BYu provides us. Those souls actually think they are important in this world and fight fight fight to the bitter end for just one morsel of validation.........? Well, they try I guess? HAHA!

    Congrats to Jell-O however!

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 26, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    @Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    June 26, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    "What really happened is Utah caught BYU sleeping in the first 8 minutes and BYU gifted the Utes 5 touchdowns.

    After which, BYU woke up and totally dominated the remainder of the game:

    outscoring Utah 28-0
    and
    outgaining Utah 351-132"

    -------------

    Aunty, from one BYU fan to another,...Please stop.

    Utah won the game. It was very entertaining and exciting.

    Nobody gifted anything to anyone else. Nobody coasted. Both teams would hate to lose to the other and both played as hard as they could to win.

    Utah won. That year they were better.

    Utah has won the last eight so they were better the last eight.

    Whoever scores the most points when the whistle sounds will win the game this year and they will be the better team...this year. Period!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 26, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    @northern_lights - Layton, UT

    "When was the last time BYU beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent?"

    "I'll answer yours as soon as U answer mine:"
    -----------------------

    I'm thinking you don't know how 'banter' works.

    You don't bust on a team for something that your team hasn't done.

    The idea is to find things your team has done, that the other hasn't. Then you bust on them because your team has and they haven't.

    BYU, as far as I can find, has NEVER won a bowl game against a team who finished ranked at all, let alone in both polls (AP/Coaches).

    So, I will answer your question:

    In 1994 Utah beat #20/#22 Arizona in the Freedom Bowl. Utah finished #10 in the AP and #8 in the Coaches themselves.

    That yr. Utah beat 4 teams who finished ranked in both polls. Arizona (bowl game), Oregon, Colorado State and BYU.

    So.......

    When was the last time BYU beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    northern_lights:

    "I'll answer yours as soon as U answer mine:...When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team..."

    "Other than" Alabama? Why doesn't Alabama count? They finished in the Top-10 of both polls, which makes that bowl win the biggest postseason win in the history of the state!

    For what it's worth, if you arbitrarily filter out the greatest bowl win in the history of the state...

    ...the time before THAT was 1994, when Utah beat #20 Arizona in the Freedom Bowl.

    Alright! I'd answered YOUR question. Now answer these questions of mine:

    1. Why did you arbitrarily filter out the 2009 Sugar Bowl? Why wouldn't the 6th-ranked 2008 Alabama Crimson Tide count?

    2. If cherry-picking huge wins to be filtered out is acceptable, then it's acceptable for us to do it too! So please come back here and tell US when was the last time the ybU-p beat an opponent, in the postseason, that finished ranked in both major polls, "other than" the uninspired K-State Wildcats back in the '97 Cotton Bowl, whom I'd arbitrarily determined doesn't count.

    *Crickets?

  • utahcoyote St. George, UT
    June 26, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    even though i am a life long utah fan and an alumnus, all i want is to watch a great football game. don't want a blowout either way, and would prefer to see a game where utah wins on the last possession. would guess, many real college football fans feel the same way (obviously if your a byu fan they win on last possession).

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 26, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    utemythology

    re: "Speaking of couldn't care less about playing a mid-major in an also-ran bowl, a sleeping Utah team needed 8 minutes to handle the cupcake down south."

    LOL at how U totally discombobulated how the 2015 Las Vegas Bowl played out.

    What really happened is Utah caught BYU sleeping in the first 8 minutes and BYU gifted the Utes 5 touchdowns.

    After which, BYU woke up and totally dominated the remainder of the game:

    outscoring Utah 28-0
    and
    outgaining Utah 351-132

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 26, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    utemythology

    re: "When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team, which couldn’t have cared less about playing mid-major Utah in an also-ran bowl?"

    ---

    That would be 1994 #10 Utah. Beat #20 Arizona in Freedom Bowl.
    We also beat #11 P10 Champion Oregon, #16 CSU, and #18 BYU.

    ---

    Yet U failed to win the WAC championship because U lost to New Mexico (5-7).

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 26, 2019 8:09 a.m.

    This is such a silly debate with all of your statistical gymnastics a contortionist would be proud of.

    Utah has beat BYU 8 straight and is consistently ranked above them. Although competitive, Utah is better than BYU right now. Period!

    Although many can debate the pros and cons of G5 membership versus Independence, nobody can legitimately debate that the PAC as well as all other P5 conferences would be preferable to either.

    Please stop the nonsense on both sides. Time to strap it up and see who is better this year. As a clue, the team that scores more points than the other when the final whistle blows is better, That's why they keep score.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 26, 2019 12:06 a.m.

    John,

    "If MY team had lost 8 in a row, why would I feel a constant need to elevate myself by putting down the other team and its conference?"

    I never have.

    I'm not sure why people do. Those who do have the same disease that the Ute trolls have.

    I enjoy cheering for Utah. I'm a fan of football and don't rely on football games to give me a sense of value, it's entertainment and fun but far from the really important stuff in life. BYU wins and I stay elated for a while, BYU loses a big game and I bounce out of my bad mood as soon as the game is over, life is too short to have your mood be controlled by your entertainment.

    I get what you are saying - perhaps say it to those who troll Utah football.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2019 7:55 p.m.

    northern_lights - Layton, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:32 p.m.
    Arizona Ute

    "When was the last time BYU beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent?"

    I'll answer yours as soon as U answer mine:

    When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team, which couldn’t have cared less about playing mid-major Utah in an also-ran bowl?

    ------

    That would be 1994 #10 Utah.

    Beat #20 Arizona in Freedom Bowl.
    We also beat #11 P10 Champion Oregon, #16 CSU, and #18 BYU.

    Speaking of couldn't care less about playing a mid-major in an also-ran bowl, a sleeping Utah team needed 8 minutes to handle the cupcake down south.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 7:25 p.m.

    “If my team had won 8 in a row - why would I feel a constant need to elevate myself by putting down the other team?”

    onecooger:

    If MY team had lost 8 in a row, why would I feel a constant need to elevate myself by putting down the other team and its conference?

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    If my team had won 8 in a row - why would I feel a constant need to elevate myself by putting down the other team?

    In series where BYU has done that, you just sort of look at the other team like "cute, thanks for playing, hope you give us a close game".

    Most Utah fans commenting in here are so locked into a little brother role that an outsider wouldn't know that Utah's enjoying a huge run against BYU.

    What would it take for those Utah fans to say "we did it, we're on top!" and know it enough that they aren't ruffled by BYU fans thinking that they can win (which would be natural for any fans of a given team)?

    If 8 wins in a row isn't enough, I don't think anything will ever be enough.

    Kind of sad, the streak won't last forever, and if you can't know that your team is superior by now, you'll never know it in the future. For me, once BYU wins a game I'll consider BYU superior for the next year.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 3:44 p.m.

    coogblue:

    Typical coog-hypocritical response. You ignore the obvious qualifier in my question, thus refusing to answer, but chide Utes for pointing out the obvious qualifier in Anti Coog-ology's question, claiming THAT is a refusal to answer.

    You guys need to try harder with your "gotcha" attempts, because this weak sauce is going to come right back at you.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 25, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    johnny in the city

    "Hahaha! That's like Ute fans asking (and demanding an answer), "When was the last time BYU went undefeated, or won a [Consensus National Championship].

    NOPE!

    Since EVERYBODY already knows exactly when BYU won their

    Consensus National Championship.

    Most folks, including die hard Utah fans, don't have a clue if or when Utah ever beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent except for that totally disinterested Alabama team.

    It's absolutely hysterical how much angst such a simple question is generating amongst our insecure little brothers on their molehill.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 3:01 p.m.

    northerncoog:

    Hahaha! That's like Ute fans asking (and demanding an answer), "When was the last time BYU-P went undefeated, or won a national shampionship, other than that time decades ago when they played a piddling schedule and beat a mediocre team in a bowl?"

    On second thought, it isn't, because Utah has done what you asked. The coogs, not so much.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:32 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "When was the last time BYU beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent?"

    I'll answer yours as soon as U answer mine:

    When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team, which couldn’t have cared less about playing mid-major Utah in an also-ran bowl?

    * crickets *

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    @Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA

    A question for all arrogant BYU fans:

    When was the last time BYU beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent?

    The truth is, NONE of you will give a legitimate answer, because its too painfully embarrassing for Y’all.

    I mean, has BYU EVER done that?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    one liner:

    "You have to have veins bulging out of your forehead to write something like this."

    On the contrary little bro, it looks like I caused all those veins to bulge out of YOUR forehead! My comment was so dead-center, spot-on, #TruthBomb, you couldn't even refute it.

    Awww. And you SO wished that you'd be relevant. And you weren't even CLOSE! Haha!

    Midmajors forever.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    "Looks like you live for BYU articles in the Deseret News"

    outScored:

    Check the hubris, little bro, because it looks like you missed the part in the headline that discloses it's all about, you know, Utah.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:55 p.m.

    @BleedCougarBlue - Enid, OK

    "If there's one thing I can't stand, it's arrogance."

    ""Confidence" is fine. "Arrogance"? Won't accept it."
    -------------------------

    Begs the question of how you've been a BYU fan then, all of these yrs.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    "The 2-time BCS bowl winning, Tier-1 Research Institutional Utes, who've never been censured by the AAUP. Never. Not even once."

    You have to have veins bulging out of your forehead to write something like this.

    I find it really funny, particularly the burn about the AAUP, because if there is one organization that keeps me up at night sweating, it's whether or not I'm in good standing with the AAUP.

    But you forgot telling whomever your rant was against "how miserable/frantic/[generic insult] of you". Almost didn't recognize your rant without you including what no doubt you heard many times as a child aimed at another person.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 25, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    You were lucky last year. You'll have to be better this year to take down that slouchy N.I. If you get upset, will you still say N.I. is slouchy and the MAC is slouchy from top to bottom? Don't count this game as a win until you win on the field.

    Looks like you live for BYU articles in the Deseret News. Proof enough for me that you still the Lil' Bro and always will be.

    Keep coming back...you're welcome fine sir.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team..."

    What are you talking about teeny-tiny little bro? Why are you asking when was the last time, but filtering out the last time? That would be like me asking you, when was the last time you didn't wet the bed, other than that point after you turned 15? The answer would be "never", but that doesn't mean that you still wet the bed.

    So since Utah last did it in 2008, and the indy-WACers last did so in 1996, yet YOU'RE the one asking...

    ...that makes YOU not only a "hypocrite", but also the "arrogant" party herein.

    Whoops!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 25, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    A question for all arrogant Ute fans:

    When was the last time Utah beat a final ranked in both major polls bowl opponent, other than a sleeping Alabama team which couldn’t have cared less about playing U?

    The truth is, NONE of U will give a legitimate answer, because its too painfully embarrassing for Y’all.

    Hint: It’s only happened ONCE, long before U joined the MWC or PAC 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    BleedCougieBlue:

    "If there's one thing I can't stand, it's arrogance."

    Well YOU sure picked the wrong school to follow! "Arrogance" is all part of your "brand". I mean seriously? What are program out there thinks they're some show-stopping national magnate based entirely on events that occured over a quarter century ago?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:05 a.m.
    utemythology

    The last 5 years,

    the Utes were just as irrelevant as they’ve been for the last 125 years.

    -----

    Cute! Try beating us this decade just once and then we can debate relevancy.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 25, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    ut-HAW-HAW

    “Y'all bark out that ridiculous spew every preseason!”

    Y'all have been barking out ridiculous spew every preseason for the last 30 years...

    yet U still haven’t won a single national award of any significance.

    You’re still just as irrelevant as U were in the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    June 25, 2019 12:42 p.m.

    If there's one thing I can't stand, it's arrogance.

    "Confidence" is fine. "Arrogance"? Won't accept it.

    Winning streaks don't last forever, my Ute friends.....

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    BlueindyWACer:

    How is a program who's a #midmajorforever "win by a landslide" over a Pac-12 South champion, who'd beaten you guys 8 times in a row? You DO know that Utah had beaten them nearly 3 out of every 4 games over the past quarter century, don't you?

    There's a REASON why the Big 12 didn't take you ya know. You didn't "move the needle". The 2-time BCS bowl winning, Tier-1 Researching Institution Utes DID move the needle. And now we're in the Pac-12.

    Edge: The 2-time BCS bowl winning, Tier-1 Research Institutional Utes, who've never been censured by the AAUP. Never. Not even once.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    Scores:

    Let me put it to you this way: I’d lived in the Midwest too little bro! St. Louis, Chicago, Toledo, and Detroit: total of over 6 ½ yrs. Chicagoans are primarily “Fighting Irish”, “Illini”, “Wildcats”, and “Badgers”. Not “Huskies”. They think NIU is “slouchy”. Toledoans are primarily “Buckeyes”; not “Rockets” or “Falcons”. Detroiters are primarily “Wolverines” and “Spartans”. Not “Warriors”, and not “Eagles” And do you know why?

    Answer: Because even THEY know that the MAC is a “slouchy” league. So don’t try to tell me what Midwesterners think of the MAC. I already know. Schools don’t join the MAC to set the college football world on fire. They do so because they exist in the Midwest, and nobody else will have them. Kind of like the same reason you all are still indy-irrelevant: you’re in the west, and nobody else will have you.

    The 2018 W Mich Broncos played the 104th-ranked SOS, and only went 7-6 against it. THAT’s slouchy! THEY were slouchy! There’s no other way around it. You were WRONG! W Mich WAS a slouch!

    I can't say it any plainer than that.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    June 25, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    @SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    "Given two irrelevant programs, Utah and BYU-Indy, how do we break the tie?
    Seems like "ranked by College Football Playoffs" is a good modern measure.“

    The program that has won a Consensus National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, numerous national Individual awards, has more than twice as many AP Top 25 finishes, and more than 5 times as many 11+ win seasons...

    Wins by a landslide!

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 25, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    Let me put it to you this way.
    My early years were when we lived in three different states in the Mid West. That was in the Big 8 days. Now, that is football country. It didn't matter who you played or where, towns would shut down on Saturday afternoon and everybody followed their favorite teams. They didn't consider any team they played as a "slouch".
    There are just too many college football games when an over whelming underdog comes up with a big win. Those favorite teams that lose are not going to call their opponents a slouch, regardless of what conference they are in or who their common opponents have been, or their W-L record. Sooner or later utah will be beaten by some underdog that you consider a slouch. I can't wait.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    Scores:

    “We won 3, the same as u.”

    Not so little bro. There’s a pretty significant difference between the 3 that WE’D won, vs. the 3 that YOU’D beaten. Utah beat 2 P5 programs, and your WACish and midmajory powderpuffers. Those 3 teams went a collective 21-17 (.553). You guys on the other hand didn’t beat ANY teams from a “power” league, and who’d gone a collective 14-23 (.378). There’s no question that Utah beat better teams than the ones you guys played. So no…not the same. Yours was super slouchy. Ours wasn’t.

    FYI – There’s no point in you arguing this case any further. You’ve already admitted that you know you were wrong via your desperate attempt at moving the goal posts. How embarrassing for you.

  • Jello is Good ,
    June 25, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    @SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    "Given two irrelevant programs, Utah and BYU-Indy, how do we break the tie?
    Seems like "ranked by College Football Playoffs" is a good modern measure.
    So that score is... Utah is one of the most often ranked teams in the CFP, while BYU has never been ranked in the CFP. Ever.

    No wonder so many fans wish BYU could be Utah."

    ---------------

    Other than a couple of down years, BYU is the same team in independence as it was in the MWC. The difference is they play many more P-5 teams away and at neutral sites. They are no better or no worse.

    Utah, on the other hand, has improved. In answer to your question how do you break the tie? Not from some arbitrary poll, but on the field. Utah has beat BYU the last 7 or 8 times. They are a better football team right now.

    And no BYU fan wants to be Utah. Then they would be Utah fans. I do wish BYU was a member of a P5 conference though. But that is about it. My favorite color is red so I guess there is that too.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 25, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    “I love UGA”

    Of COURSE you do. They’re a team in the most relevant league that Utah hadn’t beaten yet. What’s not to like for you jealous indy-WACey “Band of Little Brothers”? Still not foolin' anybody though.

    P.S.: Like ybU-p, UGa isn’t our rival. How miserable for you.

    Wrecked indy-WACer.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 25, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    @ The Y is ol' uncle,

    "Like a squeaky wheel incessantly spinning out inane nonsense."

    U hit the nail on the head dear soul! Y'all bark out that ridiculous spew every preseason! Stop talking and start beating some okay teams once in a great while. It has been 23 years since U have beaten a ranked P5 team oh great warrior. Good luck!..........you'll definitely need some.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 25, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    @TrueBlue - Provo, UT

    Didn't make up any scenario. The BYU fan base freaked out when Utah scheduled Michigan instead of BYU. Then the basketball cancellation, added to the angst and caused the reaction from the legislature.

    I lumped them together because the events were additive. The basketball cancellation was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' so to speak. They certainly weren't looked at as completely independent.

    And yes, Utah plays 9, P5 conference games plus another P5 or P5 equivalent, making 10. And yes, BYU is a tough game. Make no question about that. So, it was either Michigan or BYU. Dr. Hill went with Michigan as it's not a team we've played a lot. It was also a lot of fun.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    June 25, 2019 9:46 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    @ phoenix,

    “The Y isn't any good pal. Your prayers aren't working dear soul. U take care now.......hear me?”

    Like a squeaky wheel incessantly spinning out inane nonsense.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 25, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    @ phoenix,

    The whY isn't any good pal. Your prayers aren't working dear soul. U take care now.......hear me?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 25, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -

    “I hope the babbling BYU fans are really paying attention......... this year is about the last year I can see the Y possibly qualifying for a bowl,...”

    Just another indication of how clueless U are about college football.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 25, 2019 7:41 a.m.

    I hope the babbling YBu fans are really paying attention......... this year is about the last year I can see the whY possibly qualifying for a bowl, although I see them going 5-7, maybe 6-6 this season. But, BYu is hurting badly for players and coaches and then the schedules get beyond brutal starting next season....... and they'll get creamed, BADLY!

    BYu stands no chance vs Utah folks. And, the whY will lose to some teams they should beat, like usual. Pray for the Hawaii Bowl Y fans........it will be your last for quite some time indeed.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 25, 2019 7:29 a.m.

    .......... tis the season........ annual preseason YBu hype.......... HAHAHA!

    Face it oh ye faithful saints......... BYu football is not any good, never has been a factor on the national stage in fact. Just a WAC era flash-in-the-pan is about all.

    BYu will lose the entire decade to Utah! Cheers!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2019 5:28 a.m.

    UoU 1991 - Park City, UT
    June 24, 2019 7:25 p.m.
    Unfortunately Ute fans, none our desperate spin will ever change the fact that...

    Utah football has NEVER been relevant....

    Utah fans need to stop pretending that the Utes are something they are not.

    -----

    A BYU fan "pretending" to be a Ute is telling others to "stop pretending".

    Priceless!

    The Utes are a P12 contender, a top 25 P5 program.

    Your Cougars are Utah State's punching bag, for the battle for 2nd in State.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2019 5:20 a.m.

    @cougsndawgs

    And the “fraud” statement was from a thread me and Uteology were discussing. He’s a big boy and knows what I am referring to so he doesn’t need your help addressing why I called Bama a fraud (his logic did that for me).

    ------

    The difference, I didn't claim 2008 Alabama was a national title contender. Unlike your 2 loss Team B in 2018, the one loss Bama wasn't exposed as a fraud by a 9-4 team.

    Maybe your Team B wasn't motivated to play Texas because they overlooked them to the 2019 season.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2019 1:05 a.m.

    utemythology

    The last 5 years,

    the Utes were just as irrelevant as they’ve been for the last 125 years:

    0 - Consensus National Championships
    0 - Heisman Trophies
    0 - National HOF Players
    0 - Best QB, Best Passer, Best RB and Best Interior Lineman Awards
    0 - AP Top 15 finishes
    0 - 11+ win seasons
    0 - conference championships

    Utah wasn’t even close to being a contender for a CFP berth,

    or

    a Consensus National Championship,

    or

    a Heisman Trophy.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 11:25 p.m.

    Scores - Idaho Falls, ID

    You'd also say that all teams in the MAC are "slouchy". Wait until u line up with N. Illinois in salt town. You'll find out that they are no slouch just like half the teams in the MAC. And, if the u wins that game, most u fans will be saying they were lucky.

    -----

    NIU will be lucky if they beat Utah.

    Considering Utah has only lost to 5 G5 teams since 2007.

    Of those 5 loses ZERO were to unranked teams.

    BYU had 5 loses to unranked G5 teams in 2017 alone.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 10:47 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    June 24, 2019 6:15 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “And BYU is punching bag of Utah State.”

    Remind us the last time Utah beat Utah St in Logan in football and in basketball.

    In 2018-19

    Utah finished behind Utah St in football

    and

    Utah finished behind Utah St, behind BYU, and behind UVU in basketball.

    ------

    The last 5 years:

    * In football, Utah is ranked #25 nationally.

    * In basketball, Utah has more NCAA wins than USU, BYU, and UVU combined.

    If you're still confused of who the punching bag is in the state, ask cougsndawg he seems to have a grasp of reality.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 24, 2019 9:24 p.m.

    Well Nav...

    We won 3, the same as u. See. Call it "slouchy" if you want.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 8:50 p.m.

    Poor CougsnTeamB. Still thinks he can fool anyone with his hop on the UGa bandwagon.

    Midmajors forever.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 8:44 p.m.

    Scores:

    How many of the last 6 game did the indy-WACers' win? Typical hypocritical coug.

    And for what it's worth, Utah won 9-games vs. the 18th toughest SOS in 2018. THAT is a team that "is no slouch". You guys and WMU on the other hand...

    ...slouchy.

    Have fun being midmajors forever.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 24, 2019 7:26 p.m.

    No Vet....

    You'd also say that all teams in the MAC are "slouchy". Wait until u line up with N. Illinois in salt town. You'll find out that they are no slouch just like half the teams in the MAC. And, if the u wins that game, most u fans will be saying they were lucky.

    u only won 3 of your last 6 last year. You can always count on u doing a melt down late in the season. This year will be no different. That's what is meant by "slouchy". Last season and the season before and the season before....

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    June 24, 2019 7:25 p.m.

    Unfortunately Ute fans, none our desperate spin will ever change the fact that...

    Utah football has NEVER been truly relevant:

    0 - Consensus National Championships
    0 - Heisman Trophies
    0 - National HOF Players
    0 - Best QB, Best Passer, Best RB and Best Interior Lineman Awards
    Only EIGHT AP Top 25 finishes
    Only TWO 11+ win seasons
    Only SIX conference championships in the last SIX DECADES

    Utah has NEVER been a serious contender for either

    a Consensus National Championship (top team achievement)

    or

    a Heisman Trophy (top individual achievement).

    Utah fans need to stop pretending that the Utes are something they are not.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 24, 2019 7:07 p.m.

    NV:
    How in the world am I lying? Lol. I love UGA but seriously dude? If I were “bandwagoning” or “choosing” someone who U don’t play and isn’t Bama (classic, one of the more hilarious of your meanderings) I can think of plenty of big time programs (which U don’t play...instead U whine about BYU holding U back lol) that have had plenty more success than my Dawgs...though the gumps do have a lot of bandwagon fans.

    And the “fraud” statement was from a thread me and Uteology were discussing. He’s a big boy and knows what I am referring to so he doesn’t need your help addressing why I called Bama a fraud (his logic did that for me).

    Entertaining as always my closet blue friend lol.

    GO DAWGS!!! 😂

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2019 6:24 p.m.

    “BYU is a national team...has been for decades. Utah plays BYU to help give them some relevance outside the region.”

    CFP rankings are a clear indicator of national relevance.

    HUGE edge—U

    Go Utes!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 24, 2019 6:19 p.m.

    “And Alabama would disagree w/your bowl statement.”

    Remind us the last time Utah beat a final ranked bowl opponent other than a sleeping Alabama team which couldn’t have cared less about playing U.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 24, 2019 6:15 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “And BYU is punching bag of Utah State.”

    Remind us the last time Utah beat Utah St in Logan in football and in basketball.

    In 2018-19

    Utah finished behind Utah St in football

    and

    Utah finished behind Utah St, behind BYU, and behind UVU in basketball.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    “LOL at a Ute celebrating margin of defeat.

    The Utes once again proved that they can’t handle playing a ranked opponent in a bowl.”

    I celebrated no such thing....That’s strictly a byu thing.

    And Alabama would disagree w/your bowl statement.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 5:46 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    "If you'd like to have an adult conversation like I've had with SoonerUte, SpokaneUte, ArizonaUte, Utah-HI-Mike, etc, about why I'm red and black, I'd be glad to."

    I already know why. You're super embarrassed of your alma mater, so you'd looked to glom onto a relevant team -- like an SEC team for example -- because you believe that it'd make you look less WACish and midmajory. But you couldn't pick 'Bama. After all, we'd thoroughly routed them the last time we'd met. But we'd never played UGa before. And if we'd never played them, and we don't see them anywhere on our scheduled horizon, they'd be a safe bet.

    And for what it's worth, don't talk to be me about having an "adult" conversation. Not when you're lying about your affiliation with UGa, and not when you're calling the '08 Crimson Tide team a "fraud" because they'd lost to Utah over being "uninspired". And especially not considering the fact that you'd forgotten that hadn't hampered UGa in the Sugar Bowl the year before when they were forced to play an even LESS relevant midmajor in the Univ. of Hawai'i.

    Fail.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 24, 2019 5:43 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    "BYU has beaten then #3 Pittsburgh, then #1 Miami, then #3 Oklahoma, then #6 Wisconsin, plus Nebraska in their home opener for the first time in 30 years..."
    ----------------
    Miami was an awesome win. They finished #3. Also, undisputed best win in BYU program history. And it's not close.
    Then #3 Pittsburgh won 3 total games, needless to say, didn't finish ranked.
    Oklahoma didn't finish ranked.
    Wisconsin didn't finish ranked.
    Nebraska didn't finish ranked.

    See a pattern? Who cares what they were ranked when you played them if they didn't finish ranked?

    Utah beat USC in 2016. They went on to win the Rose Bowl and finished #3 in the nation.
    Utah beat Michigan in 2015. They finished #12 AP and #11 Coaches.
    Utah beat #13 Oregon in 2015. They finished #19
    Utah beat then #5 Stanford in 2013. They finished #10.
    Utah beat then #8 UCLA in 2014. They finished #14

    There are more for Utah, I just got tired of looking.

    BYU has beaten 1 team who finished ranked, since going Indy. And not many, ever.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 5:15 p.m.

    PAC man - Anaheim, CA
    June 24, 2019 4:14 p.m.
    utemythology

    "Let us worry about getting a CFP berth with one loss in the PAC-12."

    There's nothing to worry about.

    Utah is the Indiana of the PAC 12,
    a P5 conference member that is nothing but a punching bag
    for the big boys of the PAC 12.

    The only way Utah was able to win the PAC South title in 2018, was because the entire division was a dumpster fire:

    Utah 9-5 (6-3)
    ASU 7-6 (5-4)
    USC 5-7 (4-5)
    Ariz 5-7 (4-5)
    UCLA 3-9 (3-6)
    Colo 5-7 (2-7)

    --------

    And BYU is punching bag of Utah State.

    Do you really want to compare our P12 South to your 1984 WAC schedule?

    Utah is a Top 25 P5 program, Indiana is not. If you're still confused, have cougsndawgs explain it to you. He claims to have a grasp of reality.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 5:07 p.m.

    BlueHooey:

    “Is anybody wowed by Oregon State, WSU, UA, ASU, Cal, Utah?”

    Funny you should ask. Phil Steele is. Or at least he is about your big brother on the hill, where he thinks enough of the Utah Utes to rank them as #8 in his preseason poll.

    Interestingly, he’s not alone either. “Athlon” ranks us 13th, as does “Bleacher Report” in their “Post-2019 National Signing Day” poll. “Sports Illustrated” has us 16th. “The Sporting News” has us at 18th. So too do “College Football News”, and, “ESPN” in their last “Way-Too-Early Top 25”.

    So yeah, some people are in fact “wowed” by Utah.

    Conversely, I can’t think of anyone outside your goofy, delusional, fact-free little bubble who has been “wowed” by ybU-p. How midmajory.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 24, 2019 5:06 p.m.

    Blue Navel:
    If you'd like to have an adult conversation like I've had with SoonerUte, SpokaneUte, ArizonaUte, Utah-HI-Mike, etc, about why I'm red and black, I'd be glad to. If not, at least come up with some different material, your whole shtick is pretty tired.

    Btw, U might want to send a memo to Ute Nation that if they only grew up in Utah and weren't alumnus or had anything else to do with them, they aren't "REAL" fans...there's gonna be a lot of disappointed post Pac12 "bandwagoners" out there. Lol!

    Give it a rest.

    Oh, and GO DAWGS!!! Hehe

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    "Than [sic] why...for the love...do U insist on leaving multiple comments on multiple BYU or 'rivalry' threads?"

    That question had already been asked and answered. And you KNOW it too! That's why you knew that the continuation of our series is due to the churchislature's threats against their state's flagship institutions funding if the game does not continue. So why ask?

    And for what it's worth, whether or not Harlan reads these threads is immaterial. Cougar fans do, they're the ones I'm talking to. Once cougar fans are finally done with being seen as the ankle-biting, little brothers who have to cry to their reps in the churchislature to ensure the continuation of the series, THEN will the games finally stop. So if you don't like seeing me here, write your congressman, c/o Greg Hughes, and convince him to back off. You're not our rivals anymore. You're too midmajory to be that program anymore.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 24, 2019 4:48 p.m.

    Navel:
    "You mean nothing to us. WE mean something to YOU, but you still remain nothing more to us than our jealous, (blah, blah, blah)."

    Than why...for the love...do U insist on leaving multiple comments on multiple BYU or "rivalry" threads? Your actions belie your words. Let me guess...Harlan screens your whiny posts and you're an agent of change? Lol

    Let's analyze that for a sec:

    If the "churchislature" won't allow U to get rid of BYU, than why do you insist that your many BYU-obsessed posts are only to get Harlan's attention so he will drop them (or do U not remember providing that excuse)? Seems his hands are tied by the "churchislature". So either you're smart and know that, in which case U really aren't doing this for Harlan but because U are obsessed with and care about the "rivalry", or you're not very bright and think by posting your opinion ad nauseam Harlan and the U will still somehow have power over the "churchislature". Of course, there is a 3rd option where you're just making stuff up about the "churchislature", and blaming them for not getting your way.

    So which is it?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    “I do understand why reality is painful for U...and I'm very sorry for your suffering lol.”

    Wait…what? In what way is thoroughly routing a Top-10 Alabama team in a New Year’s bowl game deemed “painful”? For US I mean! I know how painful it’s been for you and your indy-WACey brethren, but you were talking to Uteology, as though it’s a miracle he can still go on in life.

    I’m sorry you’re so WACish and midmajory, but you brought that on yourself. You should have gone to UGa and been a REAL fan/alumnus, rather than just pretending to be one because Utah hadn’t embarrassed your “Team B” yet. And since you still think you can fool anyone here, let me point out – again – that you’re not. Utah isn’t UGa’s rival. We’ve never even played each other. We’d beaten Ga Tech twice, but hadn’t played any other “GA” teams in the history of our program. Yet the way you constantly obsess over the Utes, you’d think that we were.

    Epic fail. How embarrassing it must be, to be so WACish and midmajory.

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    June 24, 2019 4:35 p.m.

    This should be a barn burner. BYU fans will be rocking Lavell Edwards Stadium, but the Utes will be at full strength, with the one of the best running backs in the nation back, and a defense that may surpass even last season's. Huntley will be back at QB, and is a Senior. BYU will have its hands full. Wilson will be running for his life...

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 4:21 p.m.

    Scores:

    I see that you were unable to defend your position of WMU's super slouchy 2018 season having any correlation whatsoever with Utah's 9-win season -- 18th ranked SOS notwithstanding! So that pretty much amounts to your cowardly, tacit admission that there was none, and that you now know that the '18 WMU Broncos were indeed a "slouch".

    Just as I'd suspected.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 24, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    utemythology

    "Let us worry about getting a CFP berth with one loss in the PAC-12."

    There's nothing to worry about.

    Utah is the Indiana of the PAC 12,
    a P5 conference member that is nothing but a punching bag
    for the big boys of the PAC 12.

    The only way Utah was able to win the PAC South title in 2018, was because the entire division was a dumpster fire:

    Utah 9-5 (6-3)
    ASU 7-6 (5-4)
    USC 5-7 (4-5)
    Ariz 5-7 (4-5)
    UCLA 3-9 (3-6)
    Colo 5-7 (2-7)

    The PAC 12 South was a combined 34-41 in 2018 and averaged
    -- 5.6-6.8 overall
    -- 4-5 in conference

    The PAC 12 South "standard bearer" trailed most of the game versus BYU on their home turf,

    was swept by the two best teams in the PAC 12 North,

    and was humiliated in their bowl game.

    In fact, the PAC 12 South didn't win a single bowl game in 2018.

    This is what happens when you entrust the keys to the shiny red sports car,

    to a program that is used to driving a beater.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 24, 2019 3:53 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "You don't think Georgia > BYU?"

    Sigh...so U don't want to stick with reality then? Makes sense. When reality includes no real accomplishments, you have to make up delusional equations with U on top. Sad

    I'm at peace being a red, black, AND blue, and in the firm knowledge your trophy case will never have what their's contains regardless how much time has gone by or will go by. As stated on the other thread, you're biggest accomplishment came against a "fraud" in the '09 Sugar Bowl (your words using your logic). I do understand why reality is painful for U...and I'm very sorry for your suffering lol.

    And please have the self-respect and dignity to avoid the temptation to mention your Obscure Sports Quarterly "natty". Don't be UCF 2.0 lol.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 24, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    @BlueCoug -

    The angst is building.

    You can feel it in the water.

    You can feel it in the earth.

    You can smell it in the air.

    The streak is coming to an end.

    💙 🤙 🏈

    ---

    So true!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 3:35 p.m.

    blue n gold:

    “When has Utah EVER beaten a then Top 6 regular season opponent on national TV?”

    You DO realize that the more filters you have to apply in order to squeeze out our superiority, the more desperate you look, don’t you?

    What difference does it make if the win over a Top-6 opponent occurred in the “regular season”? Why couldn’t it occur in the “postseason”? Is beating a Top-6 Alabama opponent in the POSTseason somehow less prodigious?

    And why Top-6? Shouldn’t it be “Top-5 or Top-10”?

    And why must the win be over a team who ranked “at the time”, but later proven to have been “vastly overrated”? How is Utah beating the 2016 USC Trojans – who were unranked “at the time”, but finished 10-3, and #3 “for the season" – less notable than beating the 1981 Pitt Panthers – who were #3 “at the time”, but proven substantially overrated by winning only 3 games all season long?

    Nobody cares that you all had beaten the ’84 Panthers, ’09 Sooners, or the ’18 Badgers, as none of those teams finished ranked in the Final polls. All you did was beat an overrated team. So don’t bore US with spin about opponents that don’t meet “RELEVANT” criteria.

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 11:15 a.m.
    utemythology

    "Lose to BYU in August, then a "one loss" PAC-12 Champion Utah gets a CFP berth over "2 loss" SEC Georgia."

    A one-loss Utah team doesn't have a prayer of getting a CFP berth over ANY of these one-loss teams:

    Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida St, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Michigan St, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Penn St, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, or Wisconsin.

    All but THREE of the big name teams would have to finish with 2 or more losses in order for a one-loss Utah team to get a CFP berth.

    The Utes need to learn and accept their place in the national college football hierarchy.

    Utah will NEVER be one of the big boys.

    ------

    We already are!

    You need to accept your place at the little kids table, 3rd in State.

    Let us worry about getting a CFP berth with one loss in the PAC-12.

  • MesaAZCoug Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    @ 1 liner, spot on analysis.

    I have this one firmly in the "winnable" category for BYU. The games are always (almost always, ahem) close. Being the first game, and returning so much of last year's team helps BYU more than Utah. I expect our O-line to have improved significantly over the off-season, and Utah's front 7 will definitely show us whether or not that's true. BYU tends to fire out of the gate in our first game, whereas Utah seems to start a little slowly, adjust, and really roll by the end of the season. Also, depth is less of a factor in the first game than later on in the season. Starter vs starter is better for BYU than 3rd string vs 3rd string. Should be an interesting game.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 24, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    John in the City

    re: "When has Utah EVER beaten a then Top 6 regular season opponent on national TV?"
    . . .

    "All you’ve admitted is BYU has been incredibly lucky at beating mediocre teams that were over-ranked at the beginning of their season."

    ---

    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

    Try again:

    "When has Utah EVER beaten a then Top 6 regular season opponent on national TV?"

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 24, 2019 2:30 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "BYU has no such accomplishments since going independent."

    Utah has no such accomplishments EVER!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 2:30 p.m.

    blue n gold:

    “FACTS:…Utah opens the season against any other team on the planet...barely a peep from Utah fans directed to or about Utah’s first opponent…Utah opens the season against BYU...and endless stream of Utah fans claiming that the game means “nothing” to them, while constantly posting how many times in a row Utah has beaten BYU.”

    FACT: No other opponent that Utah could possibly open with, have alumni in the state churchislature mandating that game on us. Therefore, irrespective of WHEN that game is played, Utah fans will continue to complain about playing you IF that game is scheduled to be played. You mean nothing to us. WE mean something to YOU, but you still remain nothing more to us than our jealous, WACish and midmajory, ankle-biting little brother.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    June 24, 2019 2:28 p.m.

    ut-HAW

    @Lone*Star: "When has Utah football EVER been relevant?

    0 - Consensus National Championships
    0 - Heisman Trophies
    0 - National HOF Players
    0 - Best QB, Best Passer, Best RB and Best Interior Lineman Awards
    Only EIGHT AP Top 25 finishes
    Only TWO 11+ win seasons
    Only SIX conference championships in the last SIX DECADES

    Utah has NEVER been a serious contender for either

    a Consensus National Championship (top team achievement)

    or

    a Heisman Trophy (top individual achievement)

    Despite your absurd, childish, pejorative labeling of all things BYU,

    BYU has already been to where

    Utah can only dream of going.

    ---

    "The lonesome one had to mention all the WAC era awards yet again?"

    ---

    LOL at your complete dodge of the question.

    BYU's "WAC" era awards dwarf anything Utah has EVER accomplished in it's entire history.

    That' s why there's a ZERO in front of every single national achievement.

    Proof, that despite your hysterical spin,

    Utah football has NEVER been relevant!

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 24, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    I fixed it:

    Despite the fact the Utes fans say that they have a decided edge in talent, speed, depth and coaching it is historically a very close game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    Uteology:
    Enough of the "1-loss" Utah gets in over (insert SEC team here, though everyone here knows why u chose UGA), and the "Utah>Georga>BYU" fantasies...or did u call that a "nightmare"? Doesn't matter because here's the thing about fantasies and nightmares...they aren't real or credible. That made up scenario isn't a nightmare for me, it's comedy...please wake up from it and join me in reality.

    ------

    You don't think Georgia > BYU?

    SMH

    No, everyone here knows why YOU chose UGA! Because Utah is a nightmare for your Team A.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 1:49 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68:

    “Washington beat you twice last season and finished ranked #14…Boise State also finished ranked in the final AP poll”

    But by that standard, Utah > USC. After all, didn’t we beat them last season, and finish with more votes than the Trojans? Edge: Utah.

    “USC always has better recruiting classes than Utah, remember that stars matter…I stand by my statement that Utah is not the best team on BYU’s schedule next year!!!!!!!!”

    Wait a minute! Now head-to-head matchups DON’T count anymore? But rather recruit class rankings? Okay then…Utah always has better recruiting classes than Boise St. #StarsMatter. And we didn’t even lost to the Broncos last season. Edge: Utah.

    Utah is the most important opponent on your schedule next year. Just as it is EVERY year.

    Midmajors forever.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 24, 2019 1:37 p.m.

    No Nav....
    I was right. You know, along with all other u's that live on BYU articles 24/7.

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    June 24, 2019 1:05 p.m.

    Other than the fact the Utes have a decided edge in talent, speed, depth and coaching it should be quite a game.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX "When has Utah football EVER been relevant? 0 - Consensus National Championships, 0 - Heisman Trophies, etc, etc"

    BYU has no such accomplishments since going independent. Some say "Independence is great", but as you bravely and honestly point out, BYU-Indy is no longer relevant.

    Given two irrelevant programs, Utah and BYU-Indy, how do we break the tie?
    Seems like "ranked by College Football Playoffs" is a good modern measure.
    So that score is... Utah is one of the most often ranked teams in the CFP, while BYU has never been ranked in the CFP. Ever.

    No wonder so many fans wish BYU could be Utah.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    The angst is building.

    You can feel it in the water.

    You can feel it in the earth.

    You can smell it in the air.

    The streak is coming to an end.

    💙 🤙 🏈

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    “When has Utah EVER beaten a then Top 6 regular season opponent on national TV?
    . . .
    Don't bore us with spin about opponents that don't meet all of the above criteria.”

    coog’n’teamB:

    Hahaha at YOUR artificial spin!! “Then” Top 6! Really!?!?

    All you’ve admitted is BYU-P has been incredibly lucky at beating mediocre teams that were overranked at the beginning of their season. Now tell us how many FINAL Top 10-ranked regular season opponents the coogs have beaten, on ANY tv network.

    Don’t bore us with reciting old trophies.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 24, 2019 12:29 p.m.

    @ Lone star,

    U just had to......... aye? HAHAHA! The lonesome one had to mention all the WAC era awards yet again??? Oh my heavens folks..........break out the moth balls, CLR and Lime Away and start polishing those ol' meaningless relics.......... HAHA!

    In conclusion cowboy Y fan, the whY is really old news and not in the 21st century game pards! Nobody cares about struggling BYu at all!

  • Lester L. Wester Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 11:50 a.m.

    SaneFan: "Didn't know Sitaki was making those kind of decisions as an assistant. I've seen some goofy post, but that one tops the list."

    No one else did either. Also, no one else knows who Sitaki is.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 24, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    When has Utah football EVER been relevant?

    0 - Consensus National Championships
    0 - Heisman Trophies
    0 - National HOF Players
    0 - Best QB, Best Passer, Best RB and Best Interior Lineman Awards
    Only EIGHT AP Top 25 finishes
    Only TWO 11+ win seasons
    Only SIX conference championships in the last SIX DECADES

    Utah has NEVER been a serious contender for either

    a Consensus National Championship (top team achievement)

    or

    a Heisman Trophy (top individual achievement)

    Despite your absurd, childish, pejorative labeling of all things BYU,

    BYU has already been to where

    Utah can only dream of going.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 11:33 a.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "It has nothing to do with the BYU fan base and state legislature freaking out when Utah decided NOT schedule BYU. OR the ensuing "punishment" audit that cost tax payers $500k for no reason whatsoever."

    LOL at your made up scenario.

    Utah decided to replace BYU with Michigan on their 2014 and 2015 schedules because:

    "BYU and Michigan were both "really, really difficult" non-conference opponents and Chris Hill felt that one such opponent was enough for a team with nine challenging conference games."

    So Hill chose Michigan.

    The Michigan FOOTBALL 2014-2015 series was scheduled more than TWO YEARS before 80k cancelled the December 2017 BASKETBALL game at BYU.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Lose to BYU in August, then a "one loss" PAC-12 Champion Utah gets a CFP berth over "2 loss" SEC Georgia."

    A one-loss Utah team doesn't have a prayer of getting a CFP berth over ANY of these one-loss teams:

    Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida St, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Michigan St, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Penn St, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, or Wisconsin.

    All but THREE of the big name teams would have to finish with 2 or more losses in order for a one-loss Utah team to get a CFP berth.

    The Utes need to learn and accept their place in the national college football hierarchy.

    Utah will NEVER be one of the big boys.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 24, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    Again, I totally agree with Cougsndawgs! This time of year is fun........keeping up with recruits. This BYu-blow-hard-babble as it relates to Utah is ridiculous..........AGAIN!.........like every darn year.

    When fall camps get going, then we'll be able to develop a reasonable opinion. One constant is "TRUE"...........BYu football is no good or relevant, rather merely strugglers that talk too much and don't deliver the W against any good team in this second decade of the 21st century!

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    BlueHusky:

    “If BYU were in the Mtn again, Utah would have an excuse to never schedule BYU. Now, at least, Utah will play in at least one nationally televised game.”

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. Did you know that over the past 5-yrs, the indy-WACers have only played in 1 more nationally televised game? It’s clear that we don’t need YOU guys to get there. And especially considering the fact that despite the 1-game deficit in total number of nationally televised games, Utah’s audiences drew several million more viewers.

    HUGE edge: Utah.

    How miserable for you.

  • Flipphone , 00
    June 24, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    Always a lot of big talk from BUY Fans until the game is over then their talk turns to, Wait till next year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    Scores:

    What are you talking about little bro? You’d said “WM is no slouch”, and I just proved that they were. Any team who goes 7-6 vs. a triple-digit SOS is indeed, very “slouchy”. So what does the fact that WMU was a very “slouchy” team last year, have anything to do with a 9-win P5 program who’d won its Division, despite playing a SOS Phil Steele ranked as the 18th toughest in the nation? That’s not a rhetorical question. That’s a serious one. Because it sure does sound like a dumb, desperate, disingenuous reach – all done in order to avoid admitting that you were wrong about whether or not WMU was a “slouch” last season.

    Failure to address this post will be your tacit admission that you were desperately trying to change the subject because you now know that you were wrong.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    As for popularity/fan base/attendance:

    BYU is typically ranked around #45th nationally for size of fan base, while Utah usually ranks around #65th.

    In 2017 Utah averaged 45,913 fans at home games and 52,489 on the road.
    Rice-Eccles holds a maximum of 45,807. So, the stadium was always over 100% capacity and utilized standing-room-only areas.

    BYU averaged 56,267 at home and 35,019 on the road.
    LEStadium holds 63,470. So, LES averaged only 88% of capacity.

    Do we get wins for fan attendance? For fans watching on TV? For "exposure"?

    No.

    Again, Cougs, we have no reason to be arrogant. Some humility is in order. Chill.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    Wild Ute

    "They learned Utah is the top program of the State again."

    LOL about how clueless that statement is.

    #22/#21 Utah State was the top team in the State in 2018.

    The Utes weren't even ranked in the Final AP or Coaches polls.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    @Scores - Idaho Falls, ID

    Yeah, BYU is really on the national scene. And that's why Utah schedules them. Yep.

    It has nothing to do with the BYU fan base and state legislature freaking out when Utah decided NOT schedule BYU. OR the ensuing "punishment" audit that cost tax payers $500k for no reason whatsoever.

    It would be refreshing if "national BYU" stopped scheduling Utah. My guess is that not one Utah fan would complain.

    Utah wins #9 in a row on 8/29/19. Score will be something like 35-10, 42-13, somewhere in that range. i.e. it won't be close.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 24, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    ArizonaUte

    BYU has beaten then #3 Pittsburgh, then #1 Miami, then #3 Oklahoma, then #6 Wisconsin, plus Nebraska in their home opener for the first time in 30 years...

    ALL on national TV!

    When has Utah EVER beaten a then Top 6 regular season opponent on national TV?

    Take your time... we'll wait.

    Don't bore us with spin about opponents that don't meet all of the above criteria.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    The best predictor of the future is the past. Everything else is rampant speculation with no basis in reality (frequently called "hype")

    That little axiom does not bode well for us at BYU:

    - 8 losses in a row against Utah.
    - Overall series record: UofU 61; BYU 34
    - Series record THIS century: UofU 18; BYU 5

    Any intelligent Cougar needs to be very, very humble going into this game! A Coug who is not humble in light of this glaring statistic is very likely just an obnoxious troll. Let's try not to continually embarrass ourselves, Cougs. Earn the right to brag by winning FIRST and then talking trash!

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:41 a.m.

    They learned Utah is the top program of the State again. That they do not have talent. That once Utah reverted back to their defense Wilson had no questions to the onslaught.

    Utah is more talented even with back up QB RB they took 16 minutes to dismantle BYU.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 24, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    Uteology:
    Enough of the "1-loss" Utah gets in over (insert SEC team here, though everyone here knows why u chose UGA), and the "Utah>Georga>BYU" fantasies...or did u call that a "nightmare"? Doesn't matter because here's the thing about fantasies and nightmares...they aren't real or credible. That made up scenario isn't a nightmare for me, it's comedy...please wake up from it and join me in reality.

    ArizonaUte:
    "What do you do in June, if not look at those things?"

    Well, most major programs are getting excited about recruiting this time of year. I'm looking forward to seeing Noah Sewell fly from Utah to make his OV to Athens, and steeling other freakish athletes from Pac12 country like Kelee Ringo and Darnell Washington, maybe even flip Avantea Williams from Oregon. That stuff is more exciting than preseason hypotheticals, don't U think?

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    utemythology

    "We removed BYU from our schedule so we could open with Michigan at RES in 2015!!!
    You guys went ballistic and started threats of audits."

    That's a complete lie and U know it!

    The "audit" was conducted because Utah squandered $80k to cancel a BASKETBALL game that had already scheduled for 2016-17 because of bogus "safety" concerns.

    It had absolutely NOTHING to do with FOOTBALL.

    Chris Hill didn't schedule BYU in football in 2014 or 2015 because he didn't think Utah could handle playing both BYU and Michigan out of conference in the same season.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 24, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    Flipphone - , 00
    June 24, 2019 9:45 a.m.
    Other than regional entertainment there's absolutely no reason why Utah should play BYU.

    You've got that right. It's regional entertainment is why BYU schedules utah. BYU is a national team...has been for decades. Utah plays BYU to help give them some relevance outside the region.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    @BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT

    The myth of being on TV more:

    In the last 5 yrs. BYU has been on national TV, for football, exactly 1 more time than Utah has.

    In that same 5 yr. span, Utah has averaged 3 million more viewers per season, than BYU. Yes, that is 15 million more viewers than BYU over the last 5 yrs. You can look this up. It's true.

    Utah has never been shut out on national TV that I know of.

    BYU has been not only shut out but didn't cross the 50 in 2 different nationally televised games. Michigan and LSU respectively.

    But don't let facts stop your "BYU narrative". The library of "BYU narratives" is vast and well worn. But they are always entertaining. Thanks.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 24, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    I'm not sure that Utah has all of the advantages - from Utah fans I see that, but it's not exactly the case.

    BYU's OL vs Utah's DL is a brutal match as Utah's DL is tough, but Utah's OL is rebuilding and BYU's DL could give a match up back.

    I like moss and covey, Huntley has grown up, but it's the first game with a new OC and BYU returns a qb who ended with some phenomenal games. With a new offense nobody knows where Utah will land.

    Utah's got a huge amount of replacement in the mid and back of the defense - Kyle always has the defense going, but a pass-happy BYU could throw some fits to Utah who's first chance to see defensive gaps is against BYU.

    Last, and most weird, kicking. This year BYU actually has the advantage because Utah is an unknown. Utah has a great kicking tradition, but you can't call that in favor of Utah until Utah proves a good kicking team again (most likely).

    I don't see the teams as lopsided, it's going to be an interesting game.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    “Nobody outside of Utah cares a whit about UofU. They might not like or ever care about BYU, but they see BYU on TV every week”

    BlueCoogie:

    Another coog fan still in denial about Utah’s Pac12 invitation, and about Utah’s Nielsen ratings squashing BYU-P’s.

  • CyCarloUte slc, UT
    June 24, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    Will be interesting game. If you are a byu fan, of course you have hope, but looking at the starting Defense and Offense, the only advantage I have is at Tight End for the cougars. Huntley has grown into a man, and Moss, well, we talk after the game about his 200 yards. The Utes have a senior laden team with lots of experience: it's hard bet against them in LES. Should be good for the cougs until second half. Check back on 8/30.

  • Flipphone , 00
    June 24, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    Other than regional entertainment there's absolutely no reason why Utah should play BYU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    June 24, 2019 8:45 a.m.
    FACTS:

    Utah opens the season against any other team on the planet...

    barely a peep from Utah fans directed to or about Utah’s first opponent.

    -----------

    We removed BYU from our schedule so we could open with Michigan at RES in 2015!!!

    You guys went ballistic and started threats of audits.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 24, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    These comments are amusing. But lets get real here.

    The myth of P5:

    Is anybody wowed by Oregon State, WSU, UA, ASU, Cal, Utah? How about Iowa, Iowa State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern? What about Kansas, KSU, Oklahoma State? Missouri? How about Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, etc. How about Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke ...

    P5 is so designated because each conference usually has a big bowl team or a long history. These used to be called the Major conferences. They are traditionally the big money leagues with big stadiums.

    But BYU has played and beaten many of those teams over the years. You know, Oklahoma, Texas, Notre Dame, Miami, Nebraska, Michigan, etc.

    Utah doesn't venture out of the PAC 12. Except to play BYU or a BCS team. . Nobody outside of Utah cares a whit about UofU. They might not like or ever care about BYU, but they see BYU on TV every week, often beating their team.

    Mendenhall left the cupboard bare. BYU will bounce back.

    None of your "frantic and emotional" responses matter. BYU is going to be BYU. Like it or not. They play anywhere. That gets notice.

    Cheer up, Utes. You'll be on national TV at least once this year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 9:03 a.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    June 24, 2019 8:22 a.m.
    utemythology

    “According Phil Steele, #8 Utah "is" the best team on BYU's schedule next year...”

    Preseason polls are absolutely

    M-E-A-N-I-N-G-L-E-S-S !!!!!

    Utah won’t even sniff a final Top 10 ranking.

    --------------------

    About 70% of preseason ranked teams finish in the Top 25 final poll.

    Top 25 rankings are only M-E-A-N-I-N-G-L-E-S-S at BYU.

    Utah has a good chance of finishing in the Top 15.

    BYU has a great chance of finishing 3rd in State.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 24, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    And if Utah were playing any other team, BYU fans wouldn't constantly be talking about Utah's 1st game either. It's their 1st game too.

    The media wouldn't be writing articles about the upcoming season opener, etc.

    Starting the season with your in-state rival? It puts a different focus on that 1st game locally. For the media and for both sides of the rivalry.

    Heck, BYU coaches and players are being quoted in June about the upcoming game in August.

    This is hardly just a Utah fan thing. But glad to see you are sticking with the "BYU narrative" on this. So typical.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 8:48 a.m.

    Scores - Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2019 11:18 p.m.
    Ute....

    We don't know that. I give a nod to Washington, because they're going to be really good. It will be a tough game going to Toledo, a rising program. But every other team is beatable, including utah.
    If I were you, I'd be more concerned about where the u is going. A lot of teams on their schedule is better than u.
    Thanks again, kind sir.

    -------------

    Kind sir, my team, after finishing #28 despite having major injuries, returns talent that is predicted as a Top 15 team by ESPN, Athlon, Phil Steele, SI, CBS, etc.

    Your team, after going 7-6, returns talent that is predicted to finish 3rd in State.

    If I were you, I'd be more concerned about the dumpster fire that is spreading down south, your talent has dropped from 60s to 100s.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 24, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    FACTS:

    Utah opens the season against any other team on the planet...

    barely a peep from Utah fans directed to or about Utah’s first opponent.

    Utah opens the season against BYU...

    and endless stream of Utah fans claiming that the game means “nothing” to them, while constantly posting how many times in a row Utah has beaten BYU.

    We all thought that “de-nial” was a river in Egypt,

    but, it obviously gushes freely from a hill in Utah.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 24, 2019 8:41 a.m.

    @Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI

    Preseason polls are just that. And they really don't mean anything. We stand by that. But there are a lot of folks, nationally, that think Utah will do something. Hence the polls and other accolades/predictions.

    We don't have anything but those polls/accolades/predictions to go off of right now.

    What do you do in June, if not look at those things?

    According to some national pundits, Utah will be the best team BYU plays this season. Phil Steele being one of them, putting Utah as the highest ranked PAC12 team in his poll.

    He also has Utah's DL ranked as the highest DL BYU will face. Huntley is the 2nd highest ranked QB BYU will faces this entire season. Etc.

    We will find out the truth as they play the season. Preseason polls are rarely right. But, again, it's what we have to go on right now.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    People claiming to know Washington is better or USC is better etc...based on last year with so many changes on their teams...don't really have a clue. Let's just wait until we suit up this fall...I am excited for this year because of Ludwig...Troy Taylor was a great guy, but the offense was so messed up with him...it hasn't been reported a lot, but graduating seniors from last year will tell you that half the time, the O-Line didn't even know their blocking assignments and just had to wing it because of the way the system was run. Ludwig will be much more buttoned down and people will know their assignments...he will leverage the teams individual strengths to make the offense to work. Taylor was too concerned about proving to the world that he was an offensive genius and was more concerned about looking innovative than moving the sticks...SO EXCITED!!! #goutes

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    June 24, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Nothing to be gained by playing byu in any sports; it is all downside. Stop it all. Harlan seems to be a sucker, but perhaps he will eventually wise up when he finds they are not as nice as he seems to think they are. . .

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 24, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    utemythology

    “According Phil Steele, #8 Utah "is" the best team on BYU's schedule next year...”

    Preseason polls are absolutely

    M-E-A-N-I-N-G-L-E-S-S !!!!!

    Utah won’t even sniff a final Top 10 ranking.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    June 23, 2019 9:04 p.m.
    A BYU-obsessed Utah fan’s worst nightmare:

    Losing to BYU in August, then winning the Rose Bowl in January.

    BYU > Rose Bowl champion Utah

    -------------

    Utah-obsessed BYU fan's worst nightmare:

    Lose to BYU in August, then a "one loss" PAC-12 Champion Utah gets a CFP berth over "2 loss" SEC Georgia.

    Utah > Georgia > BYU

  • brian of ohio Kent, OH
    June 24, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    blue & white - , 00
    .
    The Y 2 deep are every bit as talented starting the season.

    ---
    I don't argue that BYU could play a good game and win. You never know which is why you play the game. I really like Wilson and think he could be NFL talent after another few seasons. HOWEVER, to claim your two deep is as good as Utahs (at best 1 deep):

    Huntley and Shelley vs Wilson and ????
    RB Moss, Green/Whitmore/Henry-Cole/Brumfield take your pick as our backup vs ?? Moss is likely a 2nd round pick.
    Utah's Dline is picked by some as the 2nd best in the country behind Clemson or Auburn. Max Tupai who might be the first guy off the bench could start at just about every team in the country.
    WR: Utah doesn't even excel at this spot, but lets face it, with Pua likely gone at least for the first game, who does BYU have? Edge Utah Covey,Nacua, Enis, Dixon vs ??
    D Backfield: Johnson Blackmon both are expected to be first 4 round talents. BYU ???
    LB: Bowen and Bernard and Lund (from Stanford) vs ??? BYUs best went to NFL

    Sorry, Utah likely has 10 NFL guys on their roster leaving end of year.

    Note ?? just means i don't know your team so you fill in the blank...

  • rfrmac South Jordan, UT
    June 24, 2019 7:07 a.m.

    I continue to be on the side of not playing BYU in anything. Playing BYU doesn't do Utah any good in any way. Harlan, I hope you realize that you're being played.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI

    Utetology,
    Washington beat you twice last season and finished ranked #14 in the final AP poll and Boise State also finished ranked in the final AP poll! USC always has better-recruiting classes than Utah, remember that stars matter, that is something else that is also a favorite Utah talking point! So I stand by my statement that Utah is not the best team on BYU's schedule next year!!!!!!!!

    -------

    You can stand or sit, no one cares about your fantasies.

    According Phil Steele, #8 Utah "is" the best team on BYU's schedule next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2019 11:18 p.m.

    Ute....

    We don't know that. I give a nod to Washington, because they're going to be really good. It will be a tough game going to Toledo, a rising program. But every other team is beatable, including utah.
    If I were you, I'd be more concerned about where the u is going. A lot of teams on their schedule is better than u.
    Thanks again, kind sir.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 23, 2019 11:14 p.m.

    Utah-HI-Mike:
    I responded back to you brother...yes let's talk ball. I am so glad it's almost here, because yes all this talk is getting old lol. It's time to strap it up and play!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 10:22 p.m.

    Scores - Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2019 9:44 p.m.
    Uteology:

    I would have to say Washington for sure. Boise State and Utah State are better than u. And maybe even Toledo.

    ------

    And they with Utah are all better than BYU.

    Thanks for playing!

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2019 9:44 p.m.

    Uteology:

    I would have to say Washington for sure. Boise State and Utah State are better than u. And maybe even Toledo.

    BTW, #28 doesn't count. If you read the polls, everybody only counts the top 25 and u weren't there. lol.

    Everybody in uteville is considering the u a winner of the pac conference. That sets u for defeat already. Probably a 5-7 season for u.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 23, 2019 9:04 p.m.

    A BYU-obsessed Utah fan’s worst nightmare:

    Losing to BYU in August, then winning the Rose Bowl in January.

    BYU > Rose Bowl champion Utah

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 23, 2019 8:14 p.m.

    Brigham Young has "nothing to lose". And they readily admit that.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 7:42 p.m.

    RedRockUte - St George, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:26 p.m.
    Michigan Cougsfan68:

    Here are some of Utah's pre-season rankings

    Anthon Sports - Utah #13. Washington at #12 is the highest Pac-12 ranking
    Phil Steele - Utah #8. Highest rated Pac-12 team.
    Lindy's Sports - Utah #12. Highest rated Pac-12 team.

    Is BYU ranked anywhere besides Cougarboard?

    -------

    On Dick Harmon's Twitter feed BYU is ranked #5, a "2 loss" team just missing a CFP berth.

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    June 23, 2019 7:30 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68

    "For years Utah fans have been telling us that pre-season polls don't count and only final polls rule but here you are chest thumping about the Utes pre-season rankings!!!!!!!!!

    So when was the last time you had a preseason ranking? Or a postseason one?

    See U on Aug 29th for NINE in a row!

    BTW, how many of the last eight were you confident in a win?

    Aug 29th will just be another Groundhog Day for you. 😁

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2019 7:25 p.m.

    “Go ahead & detail for us where our final 2 opponents finished ranked [2 games we narrowly lost] & where BYU’ final opponent was ranked.”

    LOL at a Ute celebrating margin of defeat.

    The Utes once again proved that they can’t handle playing a ranked opponent in a bowl.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    Utetology,
    Washington beat you twice last season and finished ranked #14 in the final AP poll and Boise State also finished ranked in the final AP poll! USC always has better-recruiting classes than Utah, remember that stars matter, that is something else that is also a favorite Utah talking point! So I stand by my statement that Utah is not the best team on BYU's schedule next year!!!!!!!!

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2019 7:00 p.m.

    RedRockUte,
    For years Utah fans have been telling us that pre-season polls don't count and only final polls rule but here you are chest thumping about the Utes pre-season rankings!!!!!!!!! So as far as I am concerned Utah has a two-game losing streak and BYU has a one-game winning streak so see you Aug. 29th!

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:55 p.m.

    "then why did he allow Whittingham to cancel the game when he was at Utah." Really, did you really write that. Didn't know Sitaki was making those kind of decisions as an assistant. I've seen some goofy post, but that one tops the list.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:53 p.m.

    What a humorous article. While BYU will eventually win one of these games, it is highly unlikely to happen this upcoming season. Dream all you want brothers in blue but eventually, you will have to wake up for #9.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:38 p.m.

    Of course BYU is getting amped up for this game... in June.

    This is the most important game for BYU in the era of independence. Everyone knows it.

    Utah's goal is to win the PAC-12 and go to the Rose Bowl. For BYU this game puts Sitake's legacy, and the future of BYU football on the line.

    Because of the rivalry - and the embarassment of getting down 27-7 last year - Utah will be ready to play. Utah has unfinished business from last year, starting with showing up to play against BYU.

    With the stakes involved, BYU's players being pumped up for the game with over two months to go, and the talent differential... BYU will be out of their minds nervous when the ball is kicked off.

  • blue & white , 00
    June 23, 2019 6:33 p.m.

    Maybe Utah has more depth as P5 teams have and should withstand the onslaught of BYU as in years past but this year the Y prevails. The Y 2 deep are every bit as talented starting the season. It comes down to coaching. Utes will be 0-1 in a few weeks. Go Cougs! Looking forward to the Utes playing in the pac 12 championship in front of the least attended championship game and low TV ratings like last year.

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:26 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68:

    Here are some of Utah's pre-season rankings

    Anthon Sports - Utah #13. Washington at #12 is the highest Pac-12 ranking
    Phil Steele - Utah #8. Highest rated Pac-12 team.
    Lindy's Sports - Utah #12. Highest rated Pac-12 team.

    Is BYU ranked anywhere besides Cougarboard? 😁

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 6:26 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2019 6:19 p.m.
    Uteology,
    I will answer the question that you posed. Washington, USC, and Boise State are all better teams then Utah!

    ------

    I don't doubt they are in your fantasies.

    We are not here to debate your fantasies.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 6:23 p.m.

    “Yeah, let’s go. Can’t wait. It’s a big game,” he said. “It’s a huge game. It always will be. It’s not just another game. Doesn’t matter where it’s played on the schedule. It’s a big deal to them and it’s a big deal to us. I’ve been on both sides. It’s fun."

    If it's so fun, then why did he allow Whittingham to cancel the game when he was at Utah?

    It's only a BIG game for the cupcake down south.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2019 6:19 p.m.

    Uteology,
    I will answer the question that you posed. Washington, USC, and Boise State are all better teams then Utah!

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    Win or lose, this is going to be one great game for both teams and fans! The anticipation is awesome.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 5:58 p.m.

    Scores - Idaho Falls, ID

    BYU must be playing a "slouchy" schedule this year. Only four teams they play this year finished last season with a winning record in their last 6 games....and u wasn't one of them.

    ------

    We finished AP #28, without 85% of our offense.

    With everyone returning, we are projected as a top 15 team.

    Who on your schedule is better?

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    June 23, 2019 5:55 p.m.

    This would be a good year for BYU to start the new streak against Utah. Sure... let Utah win the Pac-12 and go to the Rose Bowl as long as BYU wins Utah thus becoming the Rose Bowl winner vicariously with its win over Utah. Let Utah ever go to the Play Offs... just as long as BYU is there also... with its win over Utah... In fact... let Utah go to the national championship... just as long as BYU, with there win over Utah, is there on the other side of the ledger. Dream on you say... No not really. It's all dependent on Utah being as they say... "really good". My only hope is that when BYU wins Utah this year... that they don't row over and reveal the true nature of their team with zero's on the win column when it comes to teams like Colorado and such.

  • KimmyP Skull Valley, UT
    June 23, 2019 5:27 p.m.

    LOL😂 It's only June, but the preseason NC predictions by the blue faithful ,usually reserved for August, has begun early.

    This must be based on the fact that they beat some directional team from Michigan in the famous funeral potato bowl. 😂

  • KimmyP Skull Valley, UT
    June 23, 2019 4:34 p.m.

    I love how the little blue brothers make certain their world revolves around what happens on the Hill. It's hilarious to watch each year 😂😁😆

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 23, 2019 4:25 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2019 3:00 p.m.

    ArizonaUte,
    The same question can be asked of Utah and its fans. With the results of their last two games, what gives the Utes and their fans reasons to be optimistic about the coming season?

    ——-

    Go ahead & detail for us where our final 2 opponents finished ranked [2 games we narrowly lost] & where byu’s final opponent was ranked.

    Then detail for us our final W/byu’s final L.

    Crickets.

    Then detail for us the missing players we have returning from injury.

    There’s a reason PS has us ranked #8/winning a PAC-12 Championship.

    Go Utes!

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    June 23, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI
    "With the results of their last two games, what gives the Utes and their fans reasons to be optimistic about the coming season?"

    You mean besides the pre-season Top 25 rankings (including one Top 10) and being the favorite to win the Pac-12 South again?

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    June 23, 2019 4:04 p.m.

    After Utah had played 9 power five conference teams, having to play BYU at seasons end is not as motivating for Utah. The team is beat up, having played a tough schedule, and mentally they had to play Washington for a chance at the Rose Bowl. Utes had key starters out with injuries. It only took Utah 16 minutes to put the Cougars away. Meanwhile, Provo is playing the most important game of the season, having played cupcakes in November, BYU is not worn down like a power five team is. Same with the bowl game in Vegas. It took Utah all of 6 minutes to put that game away. But BYU believes they had Utah on the edge. Utah for three quarters played a basic defense, and ran the ball up the middle for the rest of the game. But listen to Provo, they think they had a chance. Kyle had called the dogs off, BYU was so bad that if he had continued to call big plays and blitzes, fans would have cried foul, they'd say Kyle ran up the score, but instead, he showed class and let the clock wind down. This year, BYU has little to go off on what Utah will run on offense. Utah's defense will prevent Wilson from completing every pass. When you try too hard, things don't work. Utes will win again!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 23, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    @Cougforever

    "Utah with a new offense" ------------- When doesn't Utah have a new offense? Won't matter.

    "Tennessee rebuilding and struggling to put a workable OL on the field"------------BYU doesn't have a great DL. Tonga is good but that's 1 guy. Wakitaki is gone so is C. Kaufusi. Tenn has a 2nd yr. HC and they are getting national press about their improvement.

    "USC in chaos"-----------Not as bad as you think. Some of the players that left even came back. They are also thrilled at Graham Harrel at OC.

    "Washington replacing large numbers of starters"-----------Replacing or 'reloading'? Also Coach Pete.

    "BSU lost its offensive leaders"-----------I think you win this one.

    "USU also needs to replace multiple starters"------------Pretty good shot to win this one too.

    "Unfortunately, even we are undefeated this year, I suppose we still would play in Hawaii on Dec 24."
    ---------------------------
    BYU lost 15 games in the last 2 seasons alone. BYU IS NOT GOING UNDEFEATED in 2019. But it is the off season so some BYU fan had to predict it.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 23, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    @CougarForever - Holladay, Utah

    "We are loaded at every position -- no positional deficits this year, and our players know the offensive and defensive schemes from last year so no challenging learning curve for us. Superior QB and OL play (plus revenge) will swing the game to us this time."
    -------------------

    I am honestly glad you think that. There should be no excuses when Utah wins #9 in a row then.

    Utah by 3 scores. This one won't be close.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 23, 2019 3:01 p.m.

    @SoCalCougar1985 - Santa Ana, CA

    I agree that BYU isn't Weber St. but they aren't USC either. And yes, I know USC didn't have a great season last yr. when I make that comment.

    BYU isn't better than USC. Even last yrs. USC.

    Not too worried if Utah has to use more plays. Ludwig is a great play caller. Bama had all of Utah's plays for the entire season. Still be them in the Sugar Bowl.

    The "holding plays back" business is just soooooo overrated.

    But Utah won't need to use the whole play book v. BYU. Rest assured. Ludwig will find what works and do it until they stop him. Then he'll find the next thing, etc.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2019 3:00 p.m.

    ArizonaUte,
    The same question can be asked of Utah and its fans. With the results of their last two games, what gives the Utes and their fans reasons to be optimistic about the coming season?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2019 2:43 p.m.

    Article: "In last year’s collapse against the Utes, depth was a factor. The Cougars lost two key players to injuries in the second half".
    That is a pretty simple view of depth. Having depth isn't just "we can replace the injured". Depth is the ability to rotate in players without much drop in performance. Corbin Kaufusi had to play injured for the rest of the Utah game, because the Cougars lacked depth. There was another player ready, but not as good as the injured Kaufusi. Has that situation improved?

    Suppose you're a lineman in BYU's offense. You're doing well, but towards the late 3rd quarter you are tired. Utah is rotating players, and even the 3rd string guy is making you work. Fourth quarter and time to make the famous winning drive and you are gassed. The coach puts in your backup for one play, and he gets rolled over by the rested Utah starter to sack the QB. That's depth.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2019 2:43 p.m.

    Naval:

    BYU must be playing a "slouchy" schedule this year. Only four teams they play this year finished last season with a winning record in their last 6 games....and u wasn't one of them.

    I loved watching utah's meltdown in Northwestern's 28-0 drubbing of the utes in that second half of their bowl game. If utah was so good last year, why didn't they win more than 3 games out of their last 6?
    "Slouchy" indeed!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 23, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    I believe it was coaching in the last quarter that doomed BYU. If they had not "gone conservative" after having a 20 pt lead, I think the Utes would not have been able to come back. True there were injuries to some key players but BYU should have played the same game they played in the first half.

  • BlueAgBone Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    @CougarForever

    Your comment is highly amusing and caked with naivete about BYU's opponents.

    Tennessee has 16 returning starters and are vastly more experienced than last year. Knoxville is not an easy place to win at. They're QB is also underrated.

    USC is vastly more talented than BYU. Clay Helton may not be a great coach, but his QB is more seasoned now and won't have a steep learning curve with their offense. Their receivers are much better then you're giving them credit for.

    Lastly, both Boise and USU are better than BYU right now. None of those games are easy to win this season.

    Washington is a borderline elite program with Chris Petersen. BYU got absolutely embarrassed by these guys last year. It helps you get them in Provo without Jake Browning, but Sitake will be taking a lot of lumps before he ever gets to Petersen's level.

    BYU is NOT loaded at every position. With Pau'u likely getting booted from the team, BYU is suspect at WR. Quite frankly, that position hasn't played well for the Cougs since 2016. Your special teams unit also has some question marks. Southam is not an impressive kicker. And if Zach Wilson gets hurt? Who reasonably takes his place and can win?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 23, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    SoCalCougar1985 - Santa Ana, CA
    June 23, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    At the very least, Utah will have to open their playbook for the world to see which could come back to haunt them in conference play. This will NOT be the first game scrimmage that Utah has grown accustomed to.

    ——-

    Only in your wildest fantasies do we need to be anything other than ultra vanilla to beat byu-p convincingly in RES-South.....Think ‘11 style.

    We in fact actually open w/3 scrimmages before starting w/our first real game against USC.

    Beware!

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    @SpaceNoodle

    As for Utah, they would lose to Boise too, but luckily, they don't schedule them.

    -------

    We might lose to Boise, what we don't do is lose to the cupcake down south.

    Then again Utah is capable of beating Boise since the last time Utah lost to an unranked G5 team was in 2007.

    @ #16 Utah State
    @ #12 BYU
    @ #2 TCU
    #6 TCU
    #15 BYU

  • MRM Layton, UT
    June 23, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    “What about the simple fact that BYU has lost 15 games in just the last 2 seasons...”

    What about the simple facts that...

    BYU has only had ONE losing season in the last FOURTEEN years,

    while

    Utah has had TWO losing seasons in the last SEVEN years?

    BYU has won two bowls in a row.

    Utah lost their last bowl.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 12:30 p.m.

    SoCalCougar1985 - Santa Ana, CA
    June 23, 2019 9:30 a.m.
    At the very least, Utah will have to open their playbook for the world to see which could come back to haunt them in conference play. This will NOT be the first game scrimmage that Utah has grown accustomed to.

    -------

    It's still a scrimmage that we are accustomed to winning, even when we play poorly:

    * 6 TOs, we still win
    * 8 minutes of football in Vegas, we still win
    * Backup QB and No RBs, spot you 20 points, 16 minutes of football, we still win

  • blue & white , 00
    June 23, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    The only comment that matters is Utah is 0-1 after the first game. Go Cougs!

  • NORCALUTE Modesto, CA
    June 23, 2019 12:10 p.m.

    The TDS is so delusional...not to many teams nationally can compare to the depth and talent of the Utes this year. The Utes will play mercilessly and run up the score on the TDS...this will be the biggest beat-down in rivalry history. Go Utes...take it to the TDS...this will be so fun and refreshing to watch.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 23, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    opinion 47 - SOUTH JORDAN, UT

    “BYU lost last year to Utah because Grimes started getting conservative (playing not to lose) BYU should never had lost that game. Turn Wilson loose for all 4 quarters.”

    TRUE!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 23, 2019 12:08 p.m.

    The nervous angst on the hill is palpable.
    💙 🤙 🏈

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 23, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    I sincerely believe this will be a well-played exciting game. I sincerely believe Zach Wilson is a great quarterback that BYU can be proud of! I sincerely believe that Zach's team will rise up and give it all they've got!! (queue fight song) I sincerely believe that Cougar Nation will arise as one and rend the sky with their cheers!!! I sincerely believe that this game will be one for the ages!!!!

    I also sincerely believe that nine in a row is coming anyway...

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    Per Matt Bushman: "....we have nothing to lose. They have everything to lose."

    Exactly; but not just this year, that's the situation every year for Utah. Drop this meaningless game.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    June 23, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    I doubt the byu team has learned very much. After nearly a decade, they haven't learned that you have to outscore your opponents by the end of the game.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 23, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    Hey Cougsndawgs,

    I left you a note on Facebook messenger. Are ya ready to talk ball? Fall camp starts in just over a month from now. I saw that UGA lost their top receiver.......that is not good, but that team has all sorts of talent! What do U think about BYu fans and players talking "glory" vs Utah this season? I think......if ya can't play, ya gotta talk smack all the time.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    June 23, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    You can talk till you’re blue in the face (!) about the 8 consecutive losses pockmarked by close calls, referee mistakes or injuries; you can grumble about impolite or even insulting commentary from Utah fans; and you can conjecture about a perceived advantage the Cougs have with this year’s being the first game. Truth is, Utah’s had bad calls, opportunities to win by larger margins, injuries and there are many questions about our team (LBs? RBs? Zach’s arm?) that make the first game an “adventure” for us too.

    Kyle Whittingham has built a powerful program, a reputation, attracting extraordinary talent in all phases of the game. It won’t surprise me if the Utes win their conference. Utah has more money than ever—aside from its on-field success, owing to its membership in the PAC 12—and the Honor Code doesn’t restrict recruiting like it does BYU.

    We can beat Utah, of course. I think our O line will give him time to throw and our running backs can cause trouble. But I don’t know how our D will perform. The Utes are formidable. Winning will be tough.

    Go Cougs.

  • CO Ute , 00
    June 23, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    Same old comments from the Y fans and Y players.

    For Utah to come back and win was frustrating. Well sure it was frustrating to lose a lead late in the game but sounds like the players had chalked up a victory.

    We don’t want to lose to those guys again. Well that is something a team that has won several in a row should say after a loss. I think a more realistic comment would be that ‘we would like to be the team that broke the string’.

    If only (insert excuse about injuries, coaching, officials, or some other reason) had or hadn’t happened, BYU wins. Well all I know is both teams have injuries and play with the same officials on the same field. One team wins every year and one team loses. For 8 straight meetings the same team has won.

  • 8 in a row! Ogden, UT
    June 23, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    Soon it will be 9 in a row!

    Then 10 in a row!

    In the meantime we get to hear from the AB poster...

    A = cougar or blue
    B = any other team from the Pac-12 besides UTAH

    Times surely have changed.

    Go Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 23, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    BYu will lose.......could get CREAMED again!......All things YBu can talk 'til y'all are "blue" in the face...... it simply doesn't matter! Utah is a better team in EVERY way.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 23, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    BlueHusky

    “Independence is the best place for BYU to be. If BYU were in the Mtn again, Utah would have an excuse to never schedule BYU. Now, at least, Utah will play in at least one nationally televised game.

    I'm tired of the "go back to a conference" rant from BYU fans. I'm pretty sure that the MTN would condemn BYU to getting beat by Boise every year with no good wins to offset that yearly loss.

    As for Utah, they would lose to Boise too, but luckily, they don't schedule them.”

    Totally agree. The television contract hair Thompson negotiated for the MWC is a joke.

    Fans outside of Utah wouldn’t be able to watch half of BYU’s games if the Cougs were in the MWC,

    and playing 4 to 6 P5s every season would be impossible.

    Both revenue and television coverage are MUCH, MUCH better as an Independent,

    and the minority of BYU fans who spout off about returning to the MWC are totally clueless about the real impact that would have.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 23, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    SoonerUte:
    "Getting Jalen Hurts from Alabama doesn't seem fair somehow, but you win 2 Heismans in a row..."

    Can't blame them for wanting the keys to Lincoln's "Ferrari". Hands down the best offense I've seen, and people get lulled into thinking they just sling it everywhere, but it's actually 50/50. Jalen has improved as a passer imo, it will be fun to see how he does there.

    "How about the Bulldogs? They have a top 10 QB...
    Was it the commit from Georgia, Vandergriff? Ooooh, yes... same thing... that (recent) Heisman hardware is hard to resist."

    I'm always optimistic, and Jake Fromm is just a cool customer (you know that from the Rose Bowl). But after our WR1 was kicked off the team this week, I'm a little concerned about WR (lots of talent there, just raw). Defense is also young and I'd like to see more stability on the DL. Again plenty of talent just lacking in game experience.

    And I was referring to Jadon Haselwood (5* WR). We had him committed for over a year and he flipped to OU (2019 class). Vandergriff is 2021, so we still have time to return the favor with him haha! Hope your Sooners have a great year, it would be fun to play against each other in the CFP again.

  • SoCalCougar1985 Santa Ana, CA
    June 23, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    At the very least, Utah will have to open their playbook for the world to see which could come back to haunt them in conference play. This will NOT be the first game scrimmage that Utah has grown accustomed to.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    June 23, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    38-24 Utah.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    June 23, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    -- "Utah...still will be figuring out the new offense in this game."

    And BYU won't be figuring out their offense? With a young, unproven QB fresh off shoulder surgery on his throwing arm?

    -- "our players know the offensive and defensive schemes from last year..."

    Ineffective schemes that resulted in a very disappointing season!

    -- "Superior QB and OL play (plus revenge) will swing the game to us this time."

    And prayers? What do they call those "prayers"? Oh that's right, Hail Mary's! Naive optimism will not make the football team better! Why don't my fellow Cougs get that?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 23, 2019 9:03 a.m.

    @CougarForever - Holladay, Utah

    Do BYU fans ever look at their own team in a way opponents might?

    We hear the "reasons" BYU has a shot against their opponents. From rebuilding, to new offensive schemes, etc.

    What about the simple fact that BYU has lost 15 games in just the last 2 seasons? An OL that, statistically, is well into the bottom half of D-1 with 'sacks allowed' and 'tackles for loss allowed'.

    And BYU didn't play a great schedule last yr.

    Your QB has ONLY won against teams ranked worse than #100.

    What about your new RBs? Do they know the BYU scheme? NOPE! Is Zach Wilson going to be ready to go physically? He didn't participate in spring.

    ETC. etc, etc. Literally, what, from last yr, makes BYU fans think they are going to be light yrs. better than last yr?

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 23, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    I'm laughing at the inane comments posted here. History does not guarantee a win for Utah. That was then. We'll see what now will be.

    Independence is the best place for BYU to be. If BYU were in the Mtn again, Utah would have an excuse to never schedule BYU. Now, at least, Utah will play in at least one nationally televised game.

    I'm tired of the "go back to a conference" rant from BYU fans. I'm pretty sure that the MTN would condemn BYU to getting beat by Boise every year with no good wins to offset that yearly loss.

    As for Utah, they would lose to Boise too, but luckily, they don't schedule them.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    June 23, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    Let me me the first to congratulate BYU on another great off-season. Is there a chance you can bring it to the field during the season? I'd love that. Go Cougars!

  • Idaho forever South Jordan, UT
    June 23, 2019 8:19 a.m.

    more "coulda, shoulda, woulda" from Provo

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 23, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    @wahului - Stockton, CA
    @opinion 47 - SOUTH JORDAN, UT

    The "Grimes going conservative" narrative is also a great "BYU narrative".

    Look at the the play by play. Grimes throw to run ratio was the same in the 2nd half as the 1st. Wilson just had to dump to outlets instead of throwing to covered WRs down field. He made the right reads, just didn't have the same effect. Utah's defense stepped up in the 2nd half. Period.

    Also love the "injured players for BYU was a game changer", narrative.

    This one is why I love that BYU will have ZERO injured players for game 1. No excuses.

    I also don't think this game will be close.

    Finally, BYU's OL v. Utah's DL? Watch the 2nd half of the game last yr. It will be much more of the same. But from play one. Utah isn't going to wait a half or longer this time.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2019 7:17 a.m.

    The lessons our little blue brothers should learn from last year’s loss to the UTES is that even when the UTES were without the starting about, running back, slot receiver and other defensive stars, they were still the better team!

    Given that the UTES have all their key offensive players back, and are loaded defensively, the UTES, given their Rose Bowl goal, will look at the opening game as the first step on their trip to Pasadena! Last year’s game was an ill timed event before the PAC12 championship game.

    Coach Grimes didn’t lose the game for the school down south, the UTES woke up and played to their capabilities even with their two most explosive players out with injuries! I expect four quarters of that same effort on Thursday, August 29th. The UTES are simply the more talented team with better coaches! Three years of weak recruiting have left our little blue brothers as not even the second best team in the state!

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 23, 2019 6:37 a.m.

    @Brave

    I just knew somebody would take issue with that. LOL

    But the fact remains that almost all of those games were thrillers. They weren't decided until very late in the game, sometimes on the final play. These teams have indeed proven to be very evenly matched and it should be a great game once again in August.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:18 a.m.

    Now that you have our full attention be prepared for loss # 9 in a row little bro’s.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2019 5:38 a.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    June 22, 2019 10:30 p.m.
    timid sparrow

    “I dunno...typically when teams are evenly matched, one of them doesn't win 9 straight against the other.”

    That’s exactly why Utah’s streak is in such jeopardy.

    It’s very unusual for one team to win so many extremely close games in a row against the same opponent.

    ------

    Since 1993, BYU has 7 wins, with only one win in double digits in 1996.

    The other 6 wins, your margin of victory is 4.1 points per game.

    You are record: 7-18 (28%)

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    June 23, 2019 1:12 a.m.

    @worf

    “Rivalries promote ill feelings and bitterness.”

    My wife (a BYU alum who adamantly wants BYU to eliminate football) agrees with you.

    As I revealed in a post to a prior article, I was so devastated by seeing the Utah comeback live at RES that when I returned home that evening my wife demanded that I never watch a BYU-Utah game again. Unfortunately, she will need to live with the fact that I am going to violate her mandate and will be at LES on Aug 29. Let’s hope it goes better for us in Provo.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    June 23, 2019 1:08 a.m.

    Utah may be the better team by mid-season but they still will be figuring out the new offense in this game.

    We are loaded at every position -- no positional deficits this year, and our players know the offensive and defensive schemes from last year so no challenging learning curve for us. Superior QB and OL play (plus revenge) will swing the game to us this time. A 14-point win would not surprise me. [Doubters should watch the bowl games for each team -- one dominated and the other collapsed.]

    When I initially read Austin Lee’s provocative goal to “… make a New Year’s Six Bowl” I thought about how unrealistically he views the gap between BYU football and the current college football powers. However, if there ever is a year to beat 4 P5 teams and BSU + USU and finish undefeated then this would be it because all the P5 teams we face have problems (Utah with a new offense, Tennessee rebuilding and struggling to put a workable OL on the field, USC in chaos, Washington replacing large numbers of starters), BSU lost its offensive leaders, and USU also needs to replace multiple starters. Unfortunately, even we are undefeated this year, I suppose we still would play in Hawaii on Dec 24.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2019 12:57 a.m.

    Scores:

    "BYU's win over Western Michigan was a good win. WM is no slouch."

    Yes they are. Per Phil Steele, WMU played the 104th-ranked SOS, and only went 7-6 against it. That's VERY "slouchy"!

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    June 22, 2019 11:48 p.m.

    Utah has one of the top rated defensive lines in the nation. And they earned that ranking. BYU might have one of the overall best offensive lines they have had in maybe decades. I think that the game will be lost or won based on this match-up of very good O and D lines.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 22, 2019 11:46 p.m.

    Swoop - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2019 6:30 p.m.
    BYU was using their 6th string RB by the 4th quarter and injuries to both Kaufusi’s slowed BYU’s pass rush and opened up the middle rushing lanes,

    or the Utes wouldn’t have had a prayer of getting back into the game.

    ----------

    Is that why Wilson only had 65 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 pick 6 in the 2nd half?

    Your fantasies are cute, but the fact still remains Utah wasn't "motivated" and was overlooking BYU to the PAC-12 CG.

    According to Anae, Utah took BYU lightly. You will have our full attention the enitre game this year.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2019 11:19 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs "I think getting up on Utah would lead me to believe we let it get away"
    On the flip side, a great confidence booster for the Utes. Their offense traditionally does not overcome a large deficit, but they were also down by 14 to USC and came back strong. Now they know they're capable, which can be a mental edge.

    "How are you feeling about Boomer Sooner this year?" A bit skeptical, but curios. Getting Jalen Hurts from Alabama doesn't seem fair somehow, but you win 2 Heismans in a row, and kids want to head to "Quarterback U". Intrigued to see what the former Ohio State DC can do for the defense, because that has been flat out awful. Would love to see a Whittingham defense paired with a Lincoln Riley offense. That is a 'Bama beater.

    How about the Bulldogs? They have a top 10 QB. Who was it you asked about the other day? The Georgia player headed to Norman. It wasn't Justin Fields... he's headed to Ohio State (also not fair). Was it the commit from Georgia, Vandergriff? Ooooh, yes... same thing... that (recent) Heisman hardware is hard to resist.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 22, 2019 10:30 p.m.

    timid sparrow

    “I dunno...typically when teams are evenly matched, one of them doesn't win 9 straight against the other.”

    That’s exactly why Utah’s streak is in such jeopardy.

    It’s very unusual for one team to win so many extremely close games in a row against the same opponent.

  • opinion 47 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    June 22, 2019 10:23 p.m.

    BYU lost last year to Utah because Grimes started getting conservative (playing not to lose) BYU should never had lost that game. Turn Wilson loose for all 4 quarters.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 22, 2019 10:09 p.m.

    What I love about articles like this and the ensuing comments are:

    Evidently BYU is preparing for Utah, and they have almost an entire yr. to do so. But no mention of Utah also preparing for them? Doesn't Utah have the exact same amount of time and you don't think they are preparing for BYU?

    I love the "these teams are evenly matched" narrative too. I guess it makes BYU fans fee better?

    Finally, yes, these games often have a close score. This yr. won't be one of them.

    Utah is a better team, they have better players and coaches, they will be prepared and will win by 3 scores. I don't think the game this yr. will be close.

    And what will BYU do with that loss? The season will basically be over after game 1. It's a 1 game season for BYU.

    Austin Lee makes a comment about going to a NY6 game. BYU has lost 15 games the last 2 yrs. And haven't finished ranked in the AP in a decade.

    1st things 1st. Just finish a season ranked. Once. Then re calibrate the goals.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2019 9:25 p.m.

    Swoopy:

    I’m truly sorry your cougs were the “ONLY” ones suffering from injuries during that game. Utah had every one of their starters in, including Moss AND Huntley.

    Maybe this year, you can blame it on there being too much trash on the field, after the coug fans throw it at the officials again.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    June 22, 2019 9:10 p.m.

    Lesson #1 don't quit playing after halftime.
    Lesson #2 BYU doesn't have the quality of athletes to fail #1 and win.
    Lesson#3 Tom Holmoe is driving BYU athletics into the ground; like every other organization he has mismanaged.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 22, 2019 8:42 p.m.

    "Having Utah come back and win was very frustrating and left a very bitter taste,” said BYU senior safety Austin Lee, who played one season at Utah as a freshman in 2015. “It was something you don’t want. But it’s motivated us to have a very good game for Western Michigan and it’s put more motivation into the season".

    I sure hope so. This game is a chance for utah to win their 9th in a row in this series. This game is a chance for BYU to start the season with a good win and move fast to game two. BYU's win over Western Michigan was a good win. WM is no slouch.

    As I was watching BYU's media day one of the announcers said they beat Central Michigan in their bowl game. Central Michigan isn't even close to the caliber of Western Michigan. Maybe it was Eastern Michigan who tied Western for 2nd place in the division in their conference, one game behind Northern Illinois. It couldn't have been Central...the Chippewa's didn't even win a conference game last year.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 22, 2019 8:14 p.m.

    9 straight & counting is unequivocally soon upon us!

    Go Utes!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 22, 2019 7:49 p.m.

    SoonerUte:
    That's a good point...never really thought about that. Honestly, being on the losing side either way wasn't fun. As a player, I dunno...I think getting up on Utah would lead me to believe we let it get away, while coming up short on a comeback would make me feel that they let us back in. Not that either thought is accurate, just how I would think of it as a player, and why I think BYU players are chomping at the bit to get back at it. It'll be interesting, it always is regardless the circumstances of this game it seems.

    How are you feeling about Boomer Sooner this year?

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    June 22, 2019 7:42 p.m.

    Yes, BYU has had a lot of time to prepare for this game. But so has Utah. The difference is Utah has a Conference and possible championship to look forward to beyond that.

    Since we went independent, we don't have anything to look forward to.

    I hate independence.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2019 7:29 p.m.

    Anxious to see this game, should be a great opener.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 22, 2019 6:46 p.m.

    @Max

    "You just can't find two teams more evenly matched than BYU and Utah."

    I dunno...typically when teams are evenly matched, one of them doesn't win 9 straight against the other.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 22, 2019 6:41 p.m.

    Teams represent their state better if they weren't playing each other.

    Rivalries promote ill feelings and bitterness.

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 22, 2019 6:33 p.m.

    You just can't find two teams more evenly matched than BYU and Utah. One thing we know for sure, it is going to come down to the wire. What a great game to look forward to each year!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2019 6:30 p.m.

    BYU was using their 6th string RB by the 4th quarter and injuries to both Kaufusi’s slowed BYU’s pass rush and opened up the middle rushing lanes,

    or the Utes wouldn’t have had a prayer of getting back into the game.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2019 6:20 p.m.

    BYU coach Kalani Sitake knows the challenge that Utah poses. “You have to give Utah a lot of credit for coming back. "
    Or you could criticize Utah for falling behind in the first place.

    Last year's 35-27 score was eerily similar to the Las Vegas Bowl 35-28 score. I am not sure which is more satisfying... jumping out to a 35 point lead and watching the Cougar comeback fall short, or letting the Cougars believe for 44 minutes before quickly snatching victory. Similar scores, but having the lead taken away has really really messed with their heads.

    Looking forward to how the Cougars do against the Ones.

  • Guido Pescatore Layton, UT
    June 22, 2019 5:38 p.m.

    "The Cougars lost two key players, linebacker Isaiah Kaufusi and running back Matt Hadley, to injuries in the second half, which was game-changing for BYU."

    Yeah. Thank heaven Utah wasn't dealing with injuries to any key players like, say, the starting QB and RB.