Cougar Insiders: Is BYU optimism to be believed? ESPN contract, Zach Wilson’s shoulder, grad transfer running backs and other takeaways from BYU media day (podcast)

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  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 22, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    Why the party police?

    Utah had parades for beating Alabama - that was a great game and a great season, I cheered for the Utes that whole season. I'm not much of a parade attender, but they can throw the party.

    For the BYU airport thing, they can go to the airport if they want to. Provo airport is tiny, I can't imagine that the crowds were huge - who cares if people had nothing better to do.

    Utah players in 2008/9 must have felt great to get that support.

    BYU players must have felt great to get support after a great win at Wisconsin.

    Does anybody really have an issue with this?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 7:04 p.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    June 20, 2019 4:59 p.m.
    utemythology

    "Most teams put out Perfection t-shirts and congratulate them at Airports after January games."

    Most teams don't throw themselves a parade for finishing 2nd...

    or 4th,

    and then "celebrate" like they actually won something 10 years after the fact simply because they finished at the top of an obscure minor poll that NOBODY cares about.

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    The parade was for Utah finishing as the ONLY undefeated team in the nation, including 4 top 25 wins, 2 top 7, SOS #53.

    Which was on par or better than 2013 National Champion Florida State, 3 top 25, SOS #64.

    So yes the accomplishments were worthy of a parade.

    Airport celebrations in Provo in September, I would argue are not as worthy.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    June 21, 2019 6:34 a.m.

    BYU should be optimistic about this year. They have added depth and talent. They have an exciting young QB. They should be better than last year. The schedule is going to be a bear, so they will struggle to have a winning record, but I think that the team is making progress. I like their chances to beat one of the P-5 opponents, split with USU and Boise, and win 4 or 5 of the rest. That would be a successful year in my opinion.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    June 21, 2019 1:10 a.m.

    @gchris .
    "They [BYU] will play a very challenging schedule featuring some of the best teams in the country."

    Our schedule, while challenging (with 4 P5 teams + USU + BSU), would not qualify as "very" challenging (we play some very weak teams). Typically USC would be a powerhouse but they had a losing season last year and are converting to a new offensive scheme. They will become a very potent team (with some scary WRs) but not by game 3. Playing at Tennessee would be almost a sure loss for us in a typical season but Tennessee is in rebuilding mode so we're catching them at a good time. Washington probably beats us at home (but remember what happened at Wisconsin last year).

    Re: BYU vs Utah:
    Does Utah have the better overall football program at the moment? Yes.
    Is the gap wide? No (see last game at RES).
    Do our 1's compare favorably with Utah's 1's? Yes.
    Is Utah's overall depth generally superior to ours? Yes.
    Would Utah likely beat us in a game played mid-season? Yes, but it would be very close and not a certainty.
    Will Utah beat us on Aug 29? No. It may take half the season for Utah's QBs to master the new offense.

    BTW, our 2020 and 2021 schedules are "very" challenging.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 20, 2019 6:18 p.m.

    I can’t wait to straight kick byu-p’s teeth in on 08/29 & put to rest this nonsense & finally move on to our important games, starting against USC.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 20, 2019 6:07 p.m.

    “I predict a 7-5 season.”

    Please elaborate.....Who do you believe they beat/lose to?

    Go Utes!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 20, 2019 5:29 p.m.

    @estreetshuffle - Window Rock, AZ

    You do know that before independence, BYU never had an individual media day either.

    It's because media days are done by the conferences. The PAC12 media days will be closer to the actual football season. Not in June.

    And the PAC12 Media Days are the days that both Arizona and ASU participate in.

    Arizona does have a day for Basketball called "media day". But it's unique.

    So...... nice try?

  • gchris Rock Springs, WY
    June 20, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    As is usually the case, BYU derangement syndrome reigns supreme among the Ute faithful. Reading the comments on BYU's optimism would lead a stranger to believe the article was about Utah. It isn't. As a BYU fan, I would be disappointed if the coach and his team weren't optimistic. They will play a very challenging schedule featuring some of the best teams in the country. They will have an exciting young quarterback, an experienced O-line and some fresh new faces in the backfield. I predict a 7-5 season. Go Cougars.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 20, 2019 4:59 p.m.

    utemythology

    "Most teams put out Perfection t-shirts and congratulate them at Airports after January games."

    Most teams don't throw themselves a parade for finishing 2nd...

    or 4th,

    and then "celebrate" like they actually won something 10 years after the fact simply because they finished at the top of an obscure minor poll that NOBODY cares about.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    June 20, 2019 4:53 p.m.

    I have never seen a Ute Media Day; is it positive? I've never heard of Ute media day. Heard of Arizona and Arizona State media days but not Utah. Maybe it is because when one thinks of football in Utah, BYU comes to mind bad or good news. And, that is good because BYU gets all the attention.

  • CyCarloUte slc, UT
    June 20, 2019 3:42 p.m.

    Cougar Forever:

    Optimism is always rampant prior to actually playing games and it's good for the soul, ....but yours is definitely unbridled. I don't think there a one informed Ute fan that would say unequivocally the Utes win 10-11 games and they are fielding a much better team than byu. If Sitake wins 7 it will be pretty good, 8 will be off the charts. I don't think you can even count San Diego State and Toledo as wins, solid teams that are at home. Really, think of: "Talk softly and carry a big stick". And make sure you really do have a big stick.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 20, 2019 2:06 p.m.

    one liner - Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2019 11:08 a.m.
    Apparently I own a quest t-shirt and go to airports to celebrate.

    says a fan who might have rushed the field 3 times in the same game to beat a team he doesn't profess to care about but is clearly obsessed about.

    To each his own - most teams put out shirts, wear them if you want. Most teams have family and friends congratulate them after games, join in if you want.

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    Wrong!

    Most teams put out Perfection t-shirts and congratulate them at Airports after January games.

    BYU fans do it in September.

    Nope, I have never rushed a field. Beating a cupcake like BYU isn't an accomplishment.
    I haven't missed a USC game at RES but I have sold by BYU tickets.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:01 p.m.

    mussingaround,
    Our outlandish proclamations have, for the most part, come to fruition. See 8 in a row. See byu 2017, 4-9. See that I don't remember the last time that byu was ranked. See the hawaii bowl as your ceiling. See the hesitation by ESPN.

    If you want to see Utah, look at the national media and their prognostications as opposed to some in your circle pretentiously speaking for everyone around the country, sometimes even around the world.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    The optimism comes from a re-imaging of the entire season where "if we just change this one thing, Cougars win." The changes are always one sided. The other team doesn't get to correct a mistake. You'll never hear "if Wisconsin makes that field goal, the game goes to overtime and Badgers have momentum."

    The Utah game has been re-imagined so many times, it is unrecognizable. In reality, the Utes were favored to win and they won. In fantasy, the Cougars were man-for-man better than the Utes and fell short because "we lost our 5th string RB" (seriously, they say that). Now they're whipped into a frenzy, ready for a do over, not realizing that in August the Utes will have their Ones on the field. Nice job against the Twos, though.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 20, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    Bobby...are you telling me that Naval is a BYU fan?

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 1:10 p.m.
    There sure are a lot of those "uneducated" fans mendenmidmajor was talking about posting here, so let me be crystal clear here...

    If Utah goes undefeated in the regular season, then wins the Pac-12 Conference Championship game...

    ...the Utes WILL receive a bid to the College Football Playoff. Guaranteed! Period.

    if, if, if.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 20, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    What do you expect the coaches and administrators to say during Media Day? "Well, we just looked at the schedule and there's no doubt about it - we're doomed!"

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    What AD is going to say "look, don't get your hopes up guys, it's gonna be a rough ride, tons of injuries, we don't know who but it will be horrible. Some heartbreak ahead, and some meaningless wins - but buy your shirts and tickets, and boosters please make your annual donations!"

    Football is a business.

    Listen to the BYU media day and it's hype - go to Carl's JR and buy the new burger and compare it to the picture and it's nothing close to what the pictures makes it out to be.

    Then go listen to Utah's talk about winning the PAC and the CFP, it's also hype but they can say what they say and I'm not bothered by it - then go to taco bell and you'll notice that your chalupa doesn't look as beautiful and fresh as the picture.

    It's business, they want you to buy, they advertise, any mature person should understand this.

    Literally, every school does this and for good reason, why on earth anybody would be annoyed by it is beyond me.

    I suppose you uties are constantly on forums telling kids that santa doesn't exist - personally I enjoy cheering for my sports teams and think it's great that others find similar enjoyment in their teams.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    Apparently I own a quest t-shirt and go to airports to celebrate.

    says a fan who might have rushed the field 3 times in the same game to beat a team he doesn't profess to care about but is clearly obsessed about.

    To each his own - most teams put out shirts, wear them if you want. Most teams have family and friends congratulate them after games, join in if you want.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 20, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    ekute

    For over the top propaganda machine lead by their athletic department and failing fake news, leading to unrealistic expectations and encouraging their fans to make outlandish proclamations...

    see Utah.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    Scores : "As for u, all I hear is how they will throttle the Cougars and go on to win the Pac 10+2 and advance to the CFP."

    You should qualify that by mentioning your source, BYU-P fans.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 20, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    one liner - Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 9:59 p.m.
    Anybody thinking that BYU is the only optimistic school on media day just shows that they don't follow any other school.

    Utah is always optimistic, Whit has a different style but it's always also a show of optimism - and they need to be because it's to get a fanbase and boosters excited.

    Come on people - all schools do this to varying degrees. At Utah it's talk about a PAC championship and CFP, and I don't blame them but I'll call fans on the hypocrisy.

    Stay in your lane uties!

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    Says a fan wearing a Quest t-shirt of a team that has more September Airport celebrations (2) than CFP rankings (0).

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:48 a.m.

    Their over the top propaganda machine lead by holmoe and the local media leads to unrealistic expectations, encouraging their fans to make outlandish proclamations.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 20, 2019 9:11 a.m.

    @Scores

    "As for u, all I hear is how they will throttle the Cougars and go on to win the Pac 10+2 and advance to the CFP."

    The only person you're hearing that from is 65 Venus Fly Trap, who ironically is a BYU-P fan.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    June 20, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    The first goal of any team is to be bowl eligible. BYU will be that this year. I know they want to win more than that, and they probably will.

    As for u, all I hear is how they will throttle the Cougars and go on to win the Pac 10+2 and advance to the CFP.

    That is unbridled optimism in deed.

  • HeberCougFan Daniel, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:35 a.m.

    For anyone who says BYU has "unbridled optimism" I'm not really sure where it's coming from. This isn't 2008 or 2011 where we're claiming BYU is going undefeated and winning the title. Was there any comment during media day this year where someone said that? Did anyone say we are for sure going to beat Utah or Washington? I didn't watch all of the interviews so maybe I missed something, but everything seemed like reasonable optimism.

    Do you expect Kalani to say

    "Hopefully we win 5 games".

    Or "Hopefully we lose by less than 28 to Washington this year".

    Or "as long as we beat Liberty, Idaho State and Umass it's a success".

    Of course not. Of course he's going to sound optimistic. That's not called unbridled optimism. That's called media day.

    I'm a BYU student right now and I've yet to meet a single person, not even one, who thinks we win more than 8 this year. Most are hoping we make a bowl.

    The whole "unbridled optimism" is simply taking past optimism from 2008 and assuming it still exists, or is one BYU fan's optimism being generalized to an otherwise rational fan base. Or it's just a story for the media to get readers.

  • HeberCougFan Daniel, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    I think BYU wins 7 this year. I wouldn't be shocked with 6 or 8. 5 is a possibility but would be disappointing, and 9 is a possibility but would be a very pleasant surprise. Anything outside of that just isn't going to happen this year.
    Phil Steele has BYU ranked 38th. 38th ranked teams typically win 7 or 8 games. Not to mention BYU is ranked lower by Steele than 5 teams and higher than 7.

    @Cougar Forever
    I don't think that's very accurate. I agree with the certain wins and I would call your virtually certain wins "likely wins" (but watch out for Toledo). Your "probable wins" are mostly either tossups or even likely losses, but I agree with your reasoning of each teams weakness that BYU could exploit. Still, that doesn't make it a likely win.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 7:43 a.m.

    LOVE LOVE LOVE all of the trash talk by BYU players...like Hans said, it will definitely get Utah's attention. As a Ute fan, you always worry about Utah getting ready to play BYU when they are so focused on conference play...but this year, being the season opener and BYU providing plenty of bulletin board material yesterday, I feel very confident that Utah will come ready to play. Thanks you BYU PLAYERS!! Please keep talking smack...the more the better!!

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:06 a.m.

    As a BYU fan let's say mine is cautious optimism.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:25 a.m.

    @CougarForever - Holladay, Utah

    Every fan base should be optimistic. And every fan base has reason to be optimistic.

    I am really surprised by your Probable win category. But then again, optimistic doesn't mean realistic.

    Just to level set. BYU went 6-6 last yr. in the regular season, barely making a bowl game. Zach Wilson went 3-3, pre-bowl, and didn't beat a team (including the bowl game) ranked better than #100. Losing to NIU, who finished ranked #84. That game was at home in Provo.

    The S&P+ by SBNation has BYU favored in 5 games in 2019. Massey Ratings has BYU favored in 5 games, ESPN FPI has BYU favored in 4 games.

    But you have BYU with only 1 probable loss. After losing 15 games in the last 2 seasons.

    Unbridled optimism indeed.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    June 19, 2019 10:36 p.m.

    The optimism definitely is warranted (we are well stocked at every position; BTW, our two grad transfer RBs look impressive). 2019 is going to be great for BYU football (that said, 2020 and 2021 look daunting).

    Predictions:

    Certain wins: Liberty, UMass, Idaho State.

    Virtually certain wins: Toledo, USF, San Diego State (all declined badly during the last half of the 2018 session and have not reloaded).

    Probable wins: Utah (their first game with a new offense), Tennessee (massive loss of o-linemen [including 4 (!) who gave up football just in the past 2 months because of medical problems] with their only star on the OL, Trey Smith, unlikely to play), USC (will still be working on new offense installation well into the 3rd game, home game for us), Utah State (major personnel losses, although they still have the impressive Love at QB), Boise State (lost a huge portion of last year's offensive production, game in Provo)

    Probable loss: Washington (they have lost a lot of key players and will play us here, but Petersen always fields an excellent team).

    A 10-win season is within reach as we catch virtually all of our opponents with significant struggles/challenges this year.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 9:59 p.m.

    Anybody thinking that BYU is the only optimistic school on media day just shows that they don't follow any other school.

    Utah is always optimistic, Whit has a different style but it's always also a show of optimism - and they need to be because it's to get a fanbase and boosters excited.

    Come on people - all schools do this to varying degrees. At Utah it's talk about a PAC championship and CFP, and I don't blame them but I'll call fans on the hypocrisy.

    Stay in your lane uties!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 19, 2019 6:50 p.m.

    "What would a media day — any media day — be without unbridled optimism?"

    It would be a media day at pretty much every other school in America.

  • top of the world ,
    June 19, 2019 6:34 p.m.

    I don't quite understand the question. Should the optimism be believed? Of course it should. I would not be pleased to find the team and coaches down in the dumps, dreading a poor season. Now, is it well-founded, one might even say reasonable, that is another question. There is no question but what those closely involved feel they will be better than last year. All of the pieces are in place. The depth is better. The freshmen of last year are now veterans. There are more games at home, though the competition most of the teams will present is rather scary. I'm glad they are optimistic...now go out and show us what you can do through the first half of the season.

    This is a Y article, but as is generally the case, a footnote regarding the Utes might slide through arbitration. The word about the Utes is sky-high and full of praise. Is that optimism out of focus with reality. I don't think so. They are going to be outstanding...no serious injuries to key players being the caveat. I would say the high level of optimism for the Utes is much more grounded in reality than for the Cougs. I hope I am way wrong!

  • rlsintx Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 19, 2019 6:14 p.m.

    Optimism to be believed ?

    Optimism, sure - hype - not a chance. Too many years running of happy talk without serious results.

    Prove it by winning and get back to us.