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  • Phu Loi Apple Valley, UT
    June 26, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    Petrol fuel vehicles are close to equating the same gas mileage as hybrid vehicles; ie comparing the Honda Civic to the Prius. Given less gas mileage results in less tax; track and tax all motorcycles, skateboards, scooters, etc since they obtain less mpg than the clunkers UDOT favors.
    When has a Prius or Tesla spilled thousand gallons of oil, gas and chemicals that damaged the highways and caused fires and evacuations; left deep ruts in the paved roads, left slabs of rubber tires on the road for other vehicles to hit and become damaged and potentially fatal.
    Adding 0.015 to each mile driven equals (for a vehicle averaging 45 mpg), an additional 67 cents per gallon for tax and DOES NOT EQUAL lost revenue but EXCEEDS lost revenue.
    The Prius and other late model cars have high performance engines that demand a quality gas NOT FOUND in Utah at 85 octane with Ethanol Alcohol, thereby not obtaining the advertised high mpg. Even 87 Octane contains ETOH that lowers the flash point, degrades the mpg.
    Additionally, this fee is punishing those on Social Security, Disabled Veterans and disabled in general, the low income driving old hybrids.
    But I believe Wayne Harper & et.al DON'T CARE!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 21, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    DebiM and strjfs obviously did not read the article. They complain about charging rich people who drive electric cars more than they are being charged now.

    That is not the case.

    The legislature previously added a fee to these cars so they could help pay for the roads they use – if debi and str did not like the fee, they should have complained then.

    This new scheme offers those wealthy folk a way to reduce what they pay to use the roads.

    Let me repeat that, Debi and stj, this has the potential to REDUCE what the wealthy people in their Teslas pay. You should be celebrating this idea.

    Meanwhile, the single mom continues to pay her gas taxes as she drives her ’93 Civic to her 3 jobs.

    next time read the entire article before ranting about it.

  • DebiM West Jordan, UT
    June 21, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Wait just a minute. Don't we have some of the worst air in the nation? So now they're going to penalize people who drive electric or hybrid vehicles because of the gas tax ... completely overlooking the benefit for the environment/air that we are breathing....which is known to be causing all kinds of respiratory problems and diseases in the valley? Penalize people for trying to be conscious of the environment? That will hurt electric cars sales. I think it's a horrible idea and sounds like they have connived a way to charge people for what they're NOT using. That would be akin to restaurants charging people if they're fasting or eating at home...or the Real stadium charging people who don't attend their games. It just doesn't make logical sense. Great way to discourage the 2% that are actually concerned about our air enough to ante up the extra $$ an electric vehicle costs them.

  • strjfs Orem, UT
    June 20, 2019 3:54 p.m.

    Some Utah law makers STILL don't understand the negative health effects of the dirty air along the Wasatch Front! The state should give incentives for driving electric and hybrid vehicles rather than singling them out for excessive taxation. Hybrid drivers will be double-taxed under this new proposal--once at the pump and again with the per mile fee.

    Heavier, gas-powered vehicles should be taxed more to compensate for the damage they do to the roads and to our health. Raise the gas tax and registration fees for gas-powered vehicles instead of punishing those who drive cleaner vehicles. The heavier and dirtier a vehicle is, the more it should be taxed.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 20, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    quackquack
    you obviously did not read the article. this is no new tax, but a VOLUNTARY replacement for the flat fee previously imposed. The amount the state collects is capped at the existing flat fee, so it could actually be less than what they are getting now, depending on how much someone VOLUNTARILY entering the program drives.

    While I do not like this scheme, at least I know what they are talking about before prattling out an anti-Utah rant.

    BTW, it's "you're for the people...", not "your for the people..." the former is the contraction for "you are", which is what you meant; the latter is the possessive form of "you"

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    Got love it Utah taxing everything and anything they can, Whats next a tax for passing gas ... People start voting these incumbents out of office they've run unopposed for so many years they pretty much can do what ever they want. Let them know if your not for the people you will be voted out of office.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    Whoever came up with this cockamamie scheme should be fired.

    It will replace the annual flat fee, and be capped at that fee, so people rich enough to afford electric cars will conceivably be paying even less for the roads they drive on than they are now.

    Mountainlocal
    The legislature already imposed a flat fee on these vehicles so they can help pay for the roads they are using. There is nothing wrong with expecting someone to pay for something they use.

    Or would you rather the single mom driving her ’93 civic to her 3 jobs continue to pay gas taxes so the guy making $589,000 can drive his Tesla on roads he doesn’t pay for?

    Imp7
    I don’t like this idea, either, but as you can see from above I have stated why. You provide no such support for your continual attack on state government. Please tell us why you think this is a bad idea. I guess you missed where it said Oregon is also doing this in your typical anti-Utah rant.

    I’ll reiterate why I think it’s bad – it potentially reduces the amount rich people will pay for the roads they drive on, roads you (I suspect) and I pay for with our gas taxes. Or are you one of those taking advantage of the single mom and her ’93 Civic?

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:41 a.m.

    If it is fair for hybrids, or electric cars, it would be fair for all cars. But it isn’t fair. It is a punishment tax on owning a type of motor.

    Most Hybrids get about the same mileage as small cars, but why punish large SUV owners? They use more gas. Why not charge larger vehicles and semies more for their increased damage to the roads?

    Utah isn’t serious about reducing Utah’s hazardous air... the State just wants to placate the oil industry...

  • iHoag Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    I drive an EV and I think this makes good sense. Yes, EV owners are doing a lot to reduce pollution, but the expansion of road surface is also bad for the environment. I would be happy to see even higher road-use taxes to discourage driving if the increased taxes were used for free or very-low fares for public transportation, faster and more convenient public transportation, and improvements for bicycles and pedestrians.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:43 a.m.

    Unbelievable. Only Utah. There's a reason Utah is the only state to do this. The other 49 states don't have UDOT.

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    June 19, 2019 8:58 p.m.

    So UDOT is going to tax people making a conscious decision to reduce pollution in the smog filled Wasatch Front? That is so backwards.

    US News just ran a compilation of metrics and ranked Utah as the 4th best state in the country to live. One category Utah finished second to last in the country was called "Natural Environment".

    This puzzled me as Utah has great access to the outdoors, parks, and amazing landscapes. I looked to see how this could be and the explanation was, "The natural environment ranking looks at the quality of air and water in a state, as well as exposure to pollution and toxins." Utah ranked second to last in the country. Only Louisiana was worse.

    Louisiana that is still feeling effects from Katrina and dealing with lead poisoning, high rates of asthma, and other environmental hazards. Let that sink in.

    And UDOT and state legislators are targeting a taxation for methods that reduce pollution? Not smart policy. It's completely backwards. Raise gas taxes or start charging tolls per number of interstate exits passed while commuting to work.

  • MapleMountain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 8:00 p.m.

    I'm actually in favor of a usage tax based on miles driven for ALL vehicles... but ONLY if they would drop the state taxes on gasoline/diesel when they do it. To keep both taxes would be unfair to gasoline/diesel cars. I also wonder how they would collect a usage tax fairly from all vehicles that use Utah roads - including those from out of state. With a fuel consumption based tax you at least get some revenue from the vehicles that purchase fuel while they are in the state but just passing through. I think it would be very difficult to charge all vehicles a "miles-driven" based tax unless you had a toll booth at the state line on every road in and out of Utah where they record your odometer when you enter the state and charge you based on miles driven when you leave the state. Not very practical.