What the Mike Conley trade means for the Utah Jazz's quest to win an NBA championship

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  • fortydam OREM, UT
    June 20, 2019 4:53 p.m.

    Obviously the Jazz have high hopes for O’Neal or they wouldn’t have done this deal. They must have another move or two coming because the hole left by Crowder is huge. Do they honestly think Exum is going to pan out? His shooting mechanics aren’t worthy of that many minutes.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    cyruszuo

    You must not watch the NBA.

    Name a team that would not pay Mitchell to play for them?

    Name the teams that would pay for Rubio?

    Mitchell is so far superior to most every NBA player. Comparing and saying Rubio is better than Mitchell is nuts. Mitchell should shoot more, not less.

    If you wanted to complain about something, you should have complained about how bad Crowder was at shooting 3's and saying he should have shot a lot less.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    This gives the Jazz an even better team, but the West is strong. In the East, the Jazz would be top 3. In the West the top 6 are all really good teams. I’m looking forward to next year. Do I think the Jazz are gonna win the championship? No, but I really like the Jazz over the last two years. Addition via subtraction. Thank you Boston

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    June 20, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    Ya gotta love the arrogance of Laker fans who think they are now in contention for a title. James was injured a significant amout of time last year and is only getting older. Davis has yet to play a full season and with the trade the only significant other player they have is Kuzma. They may yet do something, but the management has already screwed up the trade costing themselves millions in cap space and hindering their options moving forward. The warriors and Rockets seem to be coming apart at the seams.

    That leaves Portland, OKC, Denver, Clips and the Jazz in the west. Still a lot of shuffling to do, and I agree with some that I'm not sure that Conley is that much of an upgrade to push the Jazz over the others. The key will be the development of Mitchell and Gobert as well as if the Jazz can find additional help in the off season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 20, 2019 10:26 a.m.

    CJ Miles - Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 6:27 p.m.
    Uteology

    Big 3? Not sure I would call them the "Big 3". Not compared to other team's "Big 3's".

    Conley is aging. Mitchell is still too young and Gobert can't shoot.

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    I said "big" 3, no where did i say they were equal to the 3 in Golden State and Houston.

    But our "key" 3 do make us a title contender, a top 3-4 team out West, KL will change that if he joins the Lakers/Clippers.

    Gobert doesn't need to shoot, he needs to dominate the paint on offense and defense. Mitchell does, his performance must improve.

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    June 20, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    @Sunday Mailman - you obviously are not aware of when the Jazz traded the rights to Magic Johnson for cash.

  • AJCfan Roy, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    Brave Sir Robin - "You're not even a top 5 team in the West! Lakers, warriors, Portland, Denver are all better."

    You must not be able to count. You say the Jazz are not a top 5 team in the West, then you proceed to only name 4 teams that are "better" than the Jazz, essentially saying that the Jazz are the 5th best team. If my math is correct, being the 5th best team means you are a top 5 team.

    With the warriors down (Durant and Thompson injured free agents), championship contention is wide open this year. The picture will become more clear in a few weeks when the free agency storm settles, but I imagine that around 6-7 teams will have a legitimate shot a the title this year. As it currently stands, I don't think it's that far fetched to think the Jazz can include themselves on that list.

  • Sunday Mailman ,
    June 20, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    I feel bad for Rubio, he's a good guy and he gave his all to the Jazz. Rubio will go on to play for another team and he will probably come back to bite the Jazz whenever he faces them on the court. The future will tell how this trade works out, but I think the Jazz made a mistake letting Grayson Allen go and they will end up regretting making this trade.

  • iluvnz Vernal, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    We need to keep in mind that all of these comments are just opinions; opinions of people who don't get paid the big bucks to make these decisions. Also, the use of the phrase "what they're worth" (@utah valley guy), should never be used when referring to professional athletes. No athlete is worth even close to what they get paid. I love sports, but it's ludicrous what they get paid to play a game. Which I admit is just another opinion.

    Go Jazz!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 20, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    Are Jazz fans really talking about a championship? You're not even a top 5 team in the West! Lakers, warriors, Portland, Denver are all better. It's like I fell asleep and woke up on BYU-P media day...

  • AJCfan Roy, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    I can't believe all the people doubting this move, thinking "Conley's too old" or "we gave up too much" or "Mitchell was the problem, not Rubio".

    This was a fantastic move to allow the Jazz to take a crack at title contention for the next two years while we still have Mitchell on his rookie scale contract. Conley is a great player that has never been an All-Star or made it past the conference finals. He still has juice left and he's clearly still hungry. The Jazz will undoubtedly be better because of this trade. If you don't believe, just wait and see.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:48 a.m.

    ..... besides, if the front office hadn't made a big move this off season next season probably would have ended up being more or less the same. Then all of these same fans criticizing the trade would have crucified the front office for not doing anything. Remember last season when we were struggling and everyone was so upset with Dennis for making no moves and relying on "continuity" to carry us forward. Yeah lets not do that again.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:45 a.m.

    Gave up too much for the trade. LOL. We gave up 3 players. One was a rookie who struggled all season long with 3 good games at the end of the year. One was a guy who was talking about retiring. Then Jae Crowder, while valuable, also took the 2nd most shots on the team with a rather low shooting percentage. We also gave up two very low 1st round picks. What did we get in return, one of the better point guards in the league who is a significant upgrade over Rubio. Conley just came off the best season of his career. We won 50 games with a point guard who couldn't shoot, it's not unreasonable to think we could win 55+ now, which puts us in the 1st or 2nd seed in the West.

  • erwad whoville, UT
    June 19, 2019 10:58 p.m.

    Agreed. Guessing outcomes is of these trades is nearly impossible but this probably gets the jazz exactly where they were this year. I hardly think Conley was worth all 3 of those guys. Rudy is great but he is the difference maker or breaker. He must get better if the Jazz are to stand a chance.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    June 19, 2019 10:34 p.m.

    Even if Conley pans out, this was far too much to pay for him. Ricky will be on a top team and the Jazz will regret loosing him, and his contract. Allen had promise and Jae defended three positions. Who picks up all the minutes? Exum is a bust and Conley has been injury prone. What were they thinking?

  • Sunday Mailman ,
    June 19, 2019 8:54 p.m.

    Wow what a terrible trade the Jazz just made, probably the worst trade in the history of the team. Conley's best playing days are already behind him and he will do nothing to help the Jazz championship chances. Since Rubio seems to be out of the picture, the Jazz should be giving the PG spot to Grayson Allen instead of trading him for over the hill Conley. The Jazz drafted Allen in the 1st round last year when Donovan Mitchell was quoted as saying he'd rather play with him than against him. I guess that quote no longer has meaning to the Jazz organization. The Jazz never gave Grayson Allen a fair chance and Quin Snyder handled him very poorly. Allen will end up coming back to bite the Jazz when he faces them on the court and Jae Crowder will too. Donovan Mitchell won't be a career long Jazz man, he will leave whenever he gets the chance.

  • cyruszuo Lake Forest, CA
    June 19, 2019 7:37 p.m.

    I love the Jazz, but you have to ignore the stats to see Rubio as the problem.

    Mitchell was the reason the Jazz lost to the rockets.

    He shot, and shot, and shot, but he mostly missed. Remember the horrible no assist first game where he shot terribly? Or the 12 point 1 assist clincher where he was 4 for 22?

    The issue is Mitchell is a poor shooter who won't pass. Ingles is open, and Mitchell is forcing up shots. Conley won't change that though he's great.

    The Crowder, Rubio, Gobert, Ingles line up was top 5 statically last year and two of those are gone.

    Rubio had a great series against the Rockets. In the clincher while Mitchell was 4-22, Rubio was 7-15 for 17 points and 11 assists.

    Love the Jazz, and I hope this works out.
    The data says that to win the Jazz need to stop having one of their worst shooters, Mitchell, take by far the most shots.
    Having another shooter won't help if Mitchell won't pass the ball.

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    June 19, 2019 6:47 p.m.

    Utah doesn't have a 3 to 5-year window, since Donovan will certainly command a max contract extension when his rookie years are up, and it's really difficult to have 3 max contracts on the books AND pay glue guys like Derrick, Joe, Royce, Dante, etc. what they're worth individually.

    Biggest part of the reason Utah's team is so good and so deep is that both Mitchell and O'Neal have proven to be far, far better than their team-favorable contracts would lead one to expect of them. A big part of winning games and championships is having at least a few very team-friendly contracts and not having any seriously burdensome player-friendly contracts.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 6:27 p.m.

    Uteology

    Big 3? Not sure I would call them the "Big 3". Not compared to other team's "Big 3's".

    Conley is aging. Mitchell is still too young and Gobert can't shoot.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 19, 2019 5:22 p.m.

    Utah has a 3-5 year window to contend for the title, assuming the big 3 all resign with the Jazz.

    Go JAZZ!