Biden not apologizing for remarks on segregationist senators

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  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    June 22, 2019 3:34 p.m.

    The Dem party has gone off the deep edge. Once they had a few bits of logic in their ideologies. Now it is pure craziness. That and intolerance of anyone who has a differing opinion.

    That Joe is talking about here is exactly why the Dem party has lost it. There is absolutely zero tolerance of others who have traditionalist views.

    I predict Trump by a landslide in 2020. The majority of Americans can still make decisions on their own without being told how to think and see all this for what it is... malarky.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 21, 2019 12:19 p.m.

    Democrats do not want Biden as a presidential candidate. Just observe how their partner (the media) manipulate his appearance.

    Sorry folks! But media does more public manipulation than actual news reporting.

  • Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan San Diego, CA
    June 21, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    From the article:

    "...long-dead segregationist senators James Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia...."

    Nowhere in the article does it mention the political affiliation of these two men, so I looked it up. Based on the narrative we hear from the left, the south is full of conservative, racists. Care to guess to what party they belonged?

    If you guessed the Democrat party, you are correct!!!

    Why did the author not mention this in the article?

    Why are Cory Booker and Kamala Harris upset that Biden agreed with those within their own party?

    *scratches head*

    I'm really confused.....

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 21, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    I'm glad Biden hasn't apologized. I hope he sticks to his guns. I heard willful misunderstanding of his point and I heard some suggesting that only black people can claim ownership to certain words once used to oppress/injure them. Bill Maher encountered this a few years ago when he used the N word in a non-perjorative way.

    Sorry, my fellow Americans. I understand the sensitivity, but it doesn't entitle you to limit the 1st Amendment rights of others. No one owns a word.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 21, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    Helmsman
    I won’t judge you on one issue as you did me. Your comment about the confederate generals shows a very shallow and incomplete understanding of the complexities and personal conflicts they faced

    Should we demand the Brits destroy their monument to John Andre because he was on the wrong side of the Revolutionary War?

    Did you know at Appomattox many of Lee’s commanders advocated scattering the army and continuing to fight a gorilla war rather than surrender? How costly and long would that have been? How much more horror would it have added to our history? Lee said “no”, and his standing with his men held sway. If for no other reason, that act is deserving of a statue

    It is too complex an issue to look back 160 years later and condemn men you know very little about

    You do not condemn antifa who went to Charlotte looking to start fights. Maybe you like people starting fights. Do I say you are not a good person because of that?

    LOU
    The correction was very needed. So trump is in bed with everyone he does not openly condemn? Really? I guess he’s in cahoots with Queen Elizabeth, too then, isn’t he? But you said he did denounce Putin or NK, no negative in your comment

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 21, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    @The Great Helmsman: "I don’t believe you are “good person” .... those people are bigots."

    This is the problem. You characterize large groups of people over a single issue. Like those who say, "I don't believe you are a 'good person' if you are pro-choice. Such people are callous baby killers."

    As much as I oppose elective abortion and think pro-choiceers are wrong, I think most of them are fundamentally good people...horribly misguided on this one issue, but usually good and decent people.

    Humans are not one-dimensional characactures. Those who insist on viewing their fellow man that way are little better than bigots who judge others based entirely on skin color, religious affiliation, political party, or sexual orientation.

    "The Civil War ended in 1865."

    The Vietnam War ended in 1975. On what side of humanity was the US? Should we honor or not those who did their duty? Civil War was about more than just slavery.

    Communities in the South honor their great grandfathers for doing their duty just as communities in the North. England doesn't have to honor George Washington. But to deny Southerners the ability to remember with honor their war dead damages the nation.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    June 20, 2019 11:57 p.m.

    He’s making the right choice

    Why let Booker get to you
    He is a pretender
    Not a contender

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:50 p.m.

    This is the problem today on both sides of the aisle, this story highlighting it on the left.

    Too many have lost the ability to honestly take stock of another and find good qualities even in those with whom they disagree, or to admit failings in those they otherwise admire.

    The Rev Dr. MLK was a philandering adulterer who at least toyed with communism. Does this diminish his great work of promoting racial equality via peaceful means? Does his great work on civil rights mean we must deny or diminish the seriousness of repeated marital infidelity by a man of the cloth?

    I'm not much a fan of Joe Biden. And I have zero use for racists. But Biden has made a powerful observation here where he says essentially, "Even the much hated segregationists knew how to be civil and we knew how to civilly engage them for the good of the country."

    That is a very powerful condemnation of politics as usual today. With half a moment's thought, Biden's Democrat opponents could have readily agreed and used this against Donald Trump who is clearly less civil than the evil segregationists of a bygone era.

    Instead, PC is more important. Segegationists must painted as one-dimensional devils.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 20, 2019 4:09 p.m.

    Lost in DC, No correction is necessary.

    Trump or his Administration has denounced Putin or North Korea.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    @lost

    I don’t believe you are “good person” if you do not want statues of confederate generals taken down.

    I believe those people are bigots.

    The Civil War ended in 1865. The Confederacy was on the wrong side of humanity.

    Public entities should play no role in distorting history by honoring a secessionist government waging war against the United States to preserve white supremacy and the enslavement of millions of people.

    I’m also against statues of Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro and Pol Pot.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 20, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    Helmsman
    Glorious Leader – I didn’t know BO had anything to say about the mess in Charlotte.

    But yes, there are good people who do not want statues of confederate generals taken down, and there are good people who do. Do you have a problem with that?

    Now as far as those involved in the riots, I cannot see any good coming out of either of those groups. apparently the DN will not allow me to name them. Trump was not referring to them when he made the statement you attributed to BO.

    You are admitting there are dem bigots in the senate? There may be hope for you yet.

    LOU
    Putin again? You appear oblivious to the fact that we are not getting along with putin right now. Let me fix your final statement:

    “We witnessed far worse in the BO/Khamenei Administration than at any point in our history.”

    There, that’s better

    Old man
    Sorry, you are wrong

    There are pro-life GOP and pro-abortion GOP; there are pro-gay and no special rights GOP; there are reach across the aisle GOP and hyper-partisan GOP. To be dem you MUST be pro-abortion, you MUST be pro-gay, and you reach across the aisle only to accept surrender. AOC lenin and her like have imposed very stringent litmus tests.

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    June 20, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    I've worked with people I disagree with, one on one and in a committee setting. Few things get done if we can't talk and build relationships and trust.

    Senator Cory Booker is only adding to the problem of further dividing the county by race by suggesting Biden should apologize for working with people with different views in 1972 who died of old age. Leaders work with allies and opposition to make change.

    From this exchange, Cory Booker is not a leader.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    June 20, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    @one old man.

    You said, “Biden’s biggest problem is that he comes from a generation that believed in decency and honesty and the goodness of people.”

    Agreed. He also comes from a generation where mild and largely benign bigoted comments were the standard everyday fair.

    Also, a generation where a man could put his arm around a woman’s shoulders (not his wife), give her a shoulder massage, and whisper in her ear, and if women were creeped out about it, they were supposed to keep quiet.

    But, we are much more sensitive today (some would say, “touchy”). But, we’ve also learned its probably better and safer to be a little more sensitive. Hopefully, Joe has too.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    When Sleepy Joe is the best you can come up with you're in Big Trouble. After reading these posts I would say the same for the state of Montana. Good Grief!

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    lost in DC - West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:19 p.m.
    Just goes to show how rigid, uncompromising, and intolerant the left has become. Everything has to be their way; they will allow for no diversity of thought or differing of opinion.

    ===

    Lost, you could also write exactly the same thing about the GOP.

    We have lost something very precious in America. The values of decency that once bonded America into the greatest nation on earth.

    We are in serious danger.

    And it comes from both sides.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    Biden's biggest problem is that he comes from a generation that believed in decency and honesty and the goodness of people.

    That doesn't work any more.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Joe Biden once said,
    You cannot go to a 7- Eleven or a Dunkin Doughnuts, without hearing a slight Indian accent.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 20, 2019 8:12 a.m.

    Seriously?

    A slight indifference with in the party because Joe Biden is willing to reach across the aisle to achieve a positive outcome and the Trump/Putin Supporters are jumping on the bandwagon to create a collapse in our great nation.

    You cannot make this stuff up!

    We have witnessed far worse with in the Trump/Putin Administration.

  • MK52 Arlington, VA
    June 20, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    As usual, the Dems have lost substance to style. If the "newer" candidates continue to demonise and dehumanized everyone who disagrees with them, they show no leadership skill, which is the essence of the job of President. Each would have to respect and deal with folks who profoundly disagree in both opinions and values. This is hardly coddling. Commenters here think Obama or Trump were the most divisive depending on their political bent. It would be useful if next years debates were more civil but that's not looking likely here. The newer flavor of progressive Dems will only lead to a beat down to rival the debacle of George McGovern's candidacy in 1972. Which of these candidates has the leadership skills and temperment to be Pres? So far, Joe looks like the only grownup.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    June 20, 2019 7:35 a.m.

    The progressives in the party want him gone. He leads in the polls but they don't care. He just isn't sufficiently radical for them. The media and the Democrat party will do everything they can to destroy him. He won't survive. If not this then it will be the next thing. All the faux outrage from the left will guarantee that he fails in his quest for the White House.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 7:16 a.m.

    What is worse?

    Biden’s comments as a freshman senator in 1972 that he worked in a civil manner with bigots in Congress or Glorious Leader’s comments about “good people on both sides” concerning Charlottesville in 2017, where he assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it?

    No where has Biden said he supported the Democrat bigots in the Senate.

    And for context, bigotry in 1972 American government started at the top. Just listen to Nixon’s frequent use of the N word on the Watergate tapes.

    Comparing 1972 America to 2017 America won’t cut it.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:09 a.m.

    We need the return of civility to our White House, Congress, and country. The far right and far left are destroying our country. We need moderation in all things, to try to get our country back to some form of stability, get all the $ and lobbyists out of our elections and political process. Getting rid of the two party system and electing good leaders who will put our country first would also help.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 19, 2019 10:18 p.m.

    Clark
    Which injury are you referring too record Low unemployment levels, all time stock market levels, high GDP or wanting to secure our boarders ?

    “Injuries”

    These injuries are the best thing that ever happened to the working middle class

    LOL

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    June 19, 2019 6:35 p.m.

    Trump should just sit back and watch the Democrats shred each other. Of course, he cannot hold his tongue that long. Biden will need to hammer the socialists in his party and win or lose on that stance. Biden could give Trump a run for his money - the extreme left will dig their own grave and be buried by Americans who do not like Trump's style but are not ready for socialism.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:19 p.m.

    Just goes to show how rigid, uncompromising, and intolerant the left has become. Everything has to be their way; they will allow for no diversity of thought or differing of opinion.

    Let the left nominate the most far-left, out of touch candidate they can come up with; someone who will connect with only their fringe elements. I’m fine with 4 more years of a trump.

    No one is doing more to divide the nation than the left wing of the dem party. Of course, it worked for them in 2012, so they’ll keep going back to their “divide and conquer” strategy.

    “Some Democrats hammered Biden for arguing that Republicans on Capitol Hill will have an "epiphany" and start working with Democrats again once Trump has left office…”

    To dems, working with democrats means giving in to democrats.

    Craig
    What trump is doing is causing much less injury to our society than BO did with his divisiveness, his thinly veiled hatred of the police, and the attitude of his supporters that anyone who did not agree with him MUST be racist.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 19, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    " . . . . he's infuriating Democrats who say he's out of step with the diverse party of the 21st century."
    ____________________
    This is good. If Joe is getting under their skin by voicing his honest opinions, he might be the one to bring down a few lofty heads lost up there in the clouds. Flakiness is not what the Democrats need to counter the Trump bombastic tirades that are causing so much injury to our society and consternation among America's allies.