2 Utah high school students suspended from football team after posting video of burning LGBT flag

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  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 26, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    I didn't even know it was football season. Yes, a real bad thing these students did but let's remember they are young so I hope an avenue for redemption is there.

  • Not another naysayer Lehi, UT
    June 22, 2019 6:56 p.m.

    We have a double standard in this country. Burn the American flag and you get praised. Burn a gay flag and you get bullied and shamed.

    The liberal left is all for free speech... as long as it coincides with their agenda. Otherwise, they will vilify you.

  • Nichol Draper West Jordan, UT
    June 22, 2019 6:59 a.m.

    If that's all it takes to get suspended from school these days, I surprised that any kids go. Taking away sports is the real punishment. Speech is regulated in the United States. What you say can get you barred from public and private schools and from large companies. The only recourse for subversive people is the black market. We need to crack down on the black market so that our regulated speech laws are enforced everywhere.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    June 21, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    The district did the right thing!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2019 11:41 a.m.

    @Laura Bilington

    "No gay community is pushing to name streets, ships, or parks after Roy Moore."

    Cute; but whenever i submit the actual name - the DN news moderator bans it, which ironically enables abuse.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    June 21, 2019 7:03 a.m.

    @NoNames:

    "I won't promote any message I find offensive."

    -- Then you agree that churches should not be tax-exempt and Mormon Missions should not be tax deductible, right? If you have the right to "not promote any message you find offensive", the I should also have that right; and giving tax deductions and tax-exempt status *forces* me to support that behavior which I find offensive. Fair and equal.

    "And immorality by any other name won't get my support."

    -- Immorality is in the eye of the beholder (subjective). For you guys, anything having to do with "sex" is a "moral" issue. But, you won't even follow your own god's commandment to do unto others as you'd have them to do to you. That, imo, is the "moral" issue.

    In this case, I would expect these kids to be kicked off the team if they did the same thing towards a religious organization. But you can't agree that such behavior towards LGBT people is offensive? Pathetic, imo.

  • Burn-Man Willard, UT
    June 20, 2019 7:54 p.m.

    This article is very concerning to me the same way many other articles have concerned me. What happened to free speech? These boys did something completely wrong, but it was not on school ground, or an official school activity. If the school wants to talk with them that would be fine, but I recall talking to my friend growing up about various dumb teenage ideas. Today's world simply records and posts these dumb teenage thoughts for the world. If we begin punishing people for their beliefs that is a slippery slope we should not go down. Whether I agree with someone or not what they do on their own personal time is their business and should not be regulated unless it is directly against an established law, or would cause harm to another individual. This is a dangerous slope I hope the US does not progress down.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    June 20, 2019 5:28 p.m.

    @PP wrote,

    "The prosecution concluded that Matthew Shepard was killed in a drug deal gone bad and that the alleged homosexual advances had nothing to do with the case. In fact Sheppard and the killer had an on and off relationship - so the killer was gay as well. ...I prefer to stand on facts."

    Then you will correct what you wrote. Shepard was killed in 1998 and the trial was soon after. The idea of a "drug deal gone bad" did not surface until 2013, when a sensationalist book by Stephen Jimenez was published.

    I'm reasonably sure that Shepard's killers would have brought up this alleged drug deal during the trial if it had actually existed.

  • utah1893 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 20, 2019 3:11 p.m.

    It's surprising how many people here focus on the flag burning. I don't think that's the problem - burning a gay flag isn't friendly behavior, but it could be considered a form of free speech or protest that should be protected.

    The problem is high school students using the expression "All gays die". That's a potential threat and any school should take it seriously. Just like they should if someone posted a video that said "All Mormons die", or "All Americans die". It's scary that we are at a place where we can't disagree politically without it coming down to thinking people who think differently agree with us should die.

    As a Mormon and Christian their behavior is highly offensive. As a member of a civil society that language is highly offensive. As an American who believes in the Constitution this is highly offensive. We can disagree without being disagreeable, and that's what we should be teaching our kids. How to stand for what you believe in while loving your neighbor and being a Christlike example. These kids weren't standing up for Christian values or choosing the right with this behavior - they were rejecting it.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    @Ranch:

    "They're using taxpayer money to operate."

    As is Harvard and all but about 2 other colleges in the US. You defend Harvard, attack small non-profit adoption agencies.

    "It's a celebration of a marriage not "behavior"."

    As your side argued in Obergfeld, Marriage sends a powerful message of social acceptance. It legitimizes what would otherwise be illegitimate, makes moral the immoral. You can't claim powerful message one day and then claim no message the next.

    I won't promote any message I find offensive.

    "It's a business."

    So is higher ed. You support Harvard's values. You support Pyzer not selling drugs for executions. You support Citibank refusing service to gun stores.

    "isn't the same thing as the act of discriminating."

    You defend "No guns" signs. I've never supported "No gays" signs.

    I won't promote any message I find offensive, no matter who pays. No discrimination.

    "A rose by any other name."

    And immorality by any other name won't get my support.

    "Hopefully yes."

    Hardly. And you'd scream to high heaven in the moment if they did. You've made your disdain for all things religion quite clear, and attack every religious institution at every opportunity.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    Some of you have asked why these students are in trouble, even though it's legal to burn a U.S. flag. The Supreme Court has ruled that although public high school students have certain First Amendment rights, those rights are limited by the school's need to protect the educational environment. That's why school administrators can exercise some censorship control over student newspapers without violating the Constitution.

    Here, the school is saying that the anti-gay video (which includes the statement "All gays die") qualifies as cyberbullying that could make gay students feel unsafe and threatened in violation of school policy. Under current case law, the school is legally entitled to weigh the cyberbullying threat and educational disturbance against the First Amendment rights of the students who posted the video.

  • PostLimitCapped Rio Rancho, NM
    June 20, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    Gotta love that Utah love.

    @PP
    "So in the official record there is no case made for hate crimes because [...]"
    because neither the state or fed had a hate crime law that included sexual orientation at the time?

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 20, 2019 1:04 p.m.

    @ kug

    "Why, if one can burn an American flag and it is 'free speech' is it not 'free speech' to burn any other flag in America?"

    The parallel would be if these kids had burned the American flag and someone had uttered, "All Americans die." I strongly suspect the consequences would've been similar. If they weren't, THEN some of the posters here would have good reason to complain.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 20, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    We give billions of dollars to countries who burn the American flag.

    Illegals who burn the American flag receive benefits?

    Football players are paid millions even thought they take a knee for the "Pledge of Alligiance"?

    Does gay pride over ride American patriotism?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    June 20, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    @NoNames;

    "I mean, nobody goes to jail for getting gay married. But if an adoption agency doesn't want to place a child with the couple....."

    -- They're using taxpayer money to operate.

    "Or if a baker doesn't want to bake a cake for the celebration of homosexual behavior..."

    -- It's a celebration of a marriage not "behavior".

    "If a photographer doesn't want to attend the party and promote it via her artistic talent..."

    -- It's a business.

    "
    The only consistency is the left pushing their values on everyone, while not respecting anyone's rights to disagree."

    -- Disagree all you want; isn't the same thing as the act of discriminating.

    "I think referring to anyone's sacred religious beliefs as "superstitions" "

    -- A rose by any other name.

    How would anyone react if a" kid were kicked off a public high school football team for posting a video making fun of religious people? Would the high school take action if homosexual student posted that he hated all religion or all bigots?"

    -- Hopefully yes.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 20, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    Laura Bilington - The prosecution concluded that Matthew Shepard was killed in a drug deal gone bad and that the alleged homosexual advances had nothing to do with the case. In fact Sheppard and the killer had an on and off relationship - so the killer was gay as well. Even the gay protest groups have admitted that the drugs may have had something to do with the murder.

    So in the official record there is no case made for hate crimes because the facts of the case don't support it. This information is easily found in public records. But the media certainly didn't bother reporting the truth. All they did was fan the flames of gay hatred.

    I prefer to stand on facts.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 20, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    Either we have freedom of speech or we don't when it comes to government.

    This a government run, taxpayer funded school. If the boys can be kicked off the football team for posting a video completely unrelated to school that the homosexual community finds offensive, then the next kid can just as easily be kicked off the football team for doing something that the religious community finds offensive. Say, maybe marching in a homosexual pride parade, descrating a Bible, or saying something about religion that is hurtful to men of faith.

    While private entities are fully entitled to take a position based on content, government may not.

    The GOP convention doesn't have to let Democrats speak. The Catholic Church can preach against apostate protestants.

    But the government doesn't get to pick sides. If pro-homosexual messages are ok, then anti-homosexual messages must also be permitted. Dems and GOR must be given equal access to government property. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and atheists must be treated equally.

    Those who support the school imposing punishment for content today, will sing a very different tune when it is content they like drawing punishment tomorrow.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 20, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin: "I don't see the inconsistency ."

    Job is likely in the private sector where employers supposedly remain free to impose certain standards.

    Football team is a government sanctioned, sponsored, funded event where the 1st amd must be respected.

    I mean, nobody goes to jail for getting gay married. But if an adoption agency doesn't want to place a child with the couple.....

    Or if a baker doesn't want to bake a cake for the celebration of homosexual behavior...

    If a photographer doesn't want to attend the party and promote it via her artistic talent...

    The only consistency is the left pushing their values on everyone, while not respecting anyone's rights to disagree.

    I think burning a rainbow flag, making a general statement about all gays dying, is offensive. I think referring to anyone's sacred religious beliefs as "superstitions" or comparing them to "Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny" is offensive.

    How would anyone react if a kid were kicked off a public high school football team for posting a video making fun of religious people? Would the high school take action if homosexual student posted that he hated all religion or all bigots?

    Double standards.

  • Mark Van Kekerix Omaha, NE
    June 20, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    I wonder how all of the commenters defending the "free speech" rights of the two suspended students would feel if the video had been burning a MAGA hat and saying "Kill all Republicans"?

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 10:04 a.m.

    Everywhere you look in what our founding fathers wrote about religion in this new country they formed, it is evident that while they had a belief in God, they did not have Christianity as the religion of prominence. They knew that any time you merge government and religion it leads to “bigotry and superstition.” All one has to do is look at any country that has merged the two and what you will see is intolerance and lost freedoms. Then look at countries where they are, by law, separate and you will see freedom.

    This country was not founded as a Christian nation. It was founded on a belief in God. That god is the same god for Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, and any other god you want to “worship according to the dictates of his own heart.” So says George Washington. And all you have to do is to look it up to verify it.

    "In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.” – George Washington,

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    Good, the actions of these two punks is not a reflection of an inclusive public or for that matter private school system. LGBT people have been around since the beginning of time. The days of discrimination, marginalization, exclusion, harassment and accepted abuse of our LGBT youth and population are over!

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 20, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    The school should have reported this to the police. It was kind of threatening. It was hate speech. But it is protected.

    People saying that you are free to do this but you aren't free from consequences. Then that can apply to anything. Freedom of religion, but not free from getting fired,
    Freedom of assembly, but not free from the police breaking up the meeting with rubber bullets and billy clubs, etc, etc. And some people argue that this is liberal?

    Political correctness is a morally bankrupt ideology. It preaches tolerance and diversity and it practices the opposite.

    During the Obama administration a lot of the PC nationalists on this site were arguing that there were no moral absolutes. At the time I said that they had negated any moral authority to condemn slavery and human rights abuses.

    Now in the Trump administration, PC has swung back the other way along the political spectrum and conservatives and liberals are questioning if this new found morality is sincere. Or is it just another political fashion that will change in a few months or next week if the situation changes?

  • Petersbro Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    I think the more important conversation deals with the fact that these teens made a video to bully the LGBTQ+ community, and a lot of people support that decision.

    What lessons do we want our children to learn? What lessons do we want to reinforce? What message do were want to send to the marginalized?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:35 a.m.

    @CI;

    The phrase “All gays die" is a bit more than "insensitive".

    "But children doing stupid things as children is not."

    -- Just because they're children - who really do know better - doesn't excuse them.

    @Jim & Powerdown, and others;

    You can use the 1st Amendment for your free speech, but that doesn't give you an out from the consequences of that speech. I would expect that if the students burned an American flag, they would suffer the same consequences.

    @Confused;

    "Does it say these "Students" said that? NO! they said "Someone" said."

    -- Posting the video is an endorsement of the video - and the things said in the video.

    @CentralcoastUte;

    The phrase is clearly a threat to *all* gays.

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    Some people are saying its doesn't matter because it was off school grounds but the reality of today is anything you post on social media is public. You list your employers and schools etc on those sites. You are representing those organizations and will be held accountable for things you post. I think what's more troubling than burning a flag is what they said during that "All gays will die" It is troubling that people are okay with that. I may not agree religiously with homosexuality but no body has the right to threaten or harm another.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:06 a.m.

    Students don’t have free speech in school. Ask any student.

    All though I question the suspension the football coach has every right to dismiss the to students from the team.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    June 20, 2019 7:27 a.m.

    Ask yourself this. If the students burned the American flag while simultaneously saying, "All American will die" do you think there would have been no consequences? They would probably have been banned from the football team and investigated, the same as this. I fail to see any inconsistencies here, other than the ones shown by the comments in this thread.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:58 a.m.

    If they had burned an American flag, it would have been defended as "Constitutionally protected free speech".
    I guess it depends on whether the flag represents a cause celeb for the liberal Left.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    June 20, 2019 5:59 a.m.

    @Counter Intelligence wrote,

    "The video may have been been insensitive; but it is far less insensitive than the gay community pressing local government to name streets, ships, parks, etc after an icon with a self admitted history of exploiting high school students (with substance abuse problems). But the DN wont talk about that because it is not civil."

    Possibly also because it may not be true.

    No gay community is pushing to name streets, ships, or parks after Roy Moore.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    June 20, 2019 5:52 a.m.

    @PP - Eagle Mountain, UT wrote,

    "A good example - and a case that was used to push hate crimes legislation - is the gay kid in Wyoming that was dragged to death. The media all said he was killed because he was gay and that was the story for a long time. Then the facts came out and it turns out he was killed because of a bad drug deal. "

    Absolutely not true. That was a made-up excuse to try to mitigate the guilt of the two who tied the gay victim to a fence and left him to die. There was zero evidence of drug involvement by the victim or either of his killers.

  • 1Reader Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2019 11:31 p.m.

    The comment made was the problem. He is just 15 years old, and simply still learning; hopefully he'll be given some slack and will improve.

    The American flag can be burned, the Confederate flag 'should' be burned, but the rainbow flag must not be burned--as that is hate speech?
    Yes, it represents a people or a movement, but so do the other two flags.

  • J2 Riverton, UT
    June 19, 2019 11:09 p.m.

    Clearly, we now live in an authoritarian nanny state.

  • Doug Ex-Fat Guy Fair Oaks, CA
    June 19, 2019 11:05 p.m.

    These students should sue the school district for invasion of privacy and infringement on their free speech rights. Whatever one may think of their boorishness, no laws were violated as no specific threats were made or reasonably could be inferred thus. Nor, from what I can tell, did they tie it to any Kearns school or extracurricular functions. Furthermore, these boys were not using school resources, on school property nor did they make or post this video while school was in session. Put simply, as an agency of the Government (the State of Utah, via Salt Lake County and the Kearns School District), they overstepped their bounds and need to be put in their place. What a couple of lads do, even in (perceived) bigotry and/or hatred, is not the business of a school bureaucrat.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    June 19, 2019 10:41 p.m.

    People do not go to jail for burning the American flag under the mantle of free speech. Why hen is it criminal to burn a gay pride flag? Is one more important than the other? Just a thought.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:33 p.m.

    Utahnareapeculiarpeople - the schools have long been considered "the government" by the courts and so getting kicked off the football team is in fact the government punishing someones free speech. Schools are not private institutions, they are government legislated.

    You forget the other particulars as well. The event has no connection to the school at all and no crimes were committed. The fact that the school board superintendent thinks he has any authority at all here is horrible beyond belief. He does not have any law enforcement authority regardless of school or not. If I am an 18 year old senior and I have a beer at home with my dad do you think the superintendent has the authority to kick someone off a sports team? Even though drinking is not permitted by students? This is the same - non criminal, not school related - not the superintendents business at all.

  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:32 p.m.

    If there are consequences to speech by a government entity (the school),
    Then there there is NO freedom of speech.

    Every time the left uses words like consequences or not absolute or sensible control (among other words and phrases they have used) it is quite clear they have no idea what freedom means, but an opportunity to curb your rights and freedoms, to limit them, or take them away.

    Freedom means there are no consequences.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:22 p.m.

    Passepartout - "You are arguing semantics" - which is one of the prime reasons that hate crime laws are ridiculous. If a law can be charged and prosecuted on "semantics" it's arbitrary and capricious - and given to the political winds of the day.

    You are interpreting their motivation. That has always been a big no no in courts of law. You need to try facts - not what you assume a person was thinking. People always confuse intent with motivation. Intent can be criminal because - for example - your actions had the intent of causing harm. What a persons motivation was is irrelevant because it's not fact based and requires the impossible of the courts - to read someones mind.

    A good example - and a case that was used to push hate crimes legislation - is the gay kid in Wyoming that was dragged to death. The media all said he was killed because he was gay and that was the story for a long time. Then the facts came out and it turns out he was killed because of a bad drug deal. But the idea that "Hate" killed him was too ingrained by that point.

    How about just prosecuting the facts and not peoples assumptions.

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    June 19, 2019 9:05 p.m.

    @ Spalding,
    No one was threatened. There were no names used, there was no direct threat made to a certain individual and there was no means by which it was said. I hate spiders, they have always terrified me. If I said they should all die, that doesn't mean I'm going to try to kill them all. Your assessment of their "threat" is wrong.

  • drich Green River, UT
    June 19, 2019 7:49 p.m.

    Wasn't done on a school activity...had nothing to do with the school.
    Law enforcement will handle it.

    For now the students should represent the school.

  • Utahnareapeculiarpeople Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 6:00 p.m.

    To all of those who are talking about "freedom of speech," once again, it doesn't mean freedom from consequences. It's only supposed to protect speakers from governmental action if no other laws were broken (the suppression by the government of free speech during WWI, for example, never gets talked about much, for some reason).

  • Passepartout Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 19, 2019 5:45 p.m.

    Confused - Sandy, UT - "Saying "All gays will die" is not a threat, it is a comment, saying "Death to all gays" is a threat."

    Both are threats. Both are hate speech. You are arguing semantics. The context of it being yelled - whether "All gays will die" or "Death to all gays" - while burning a Pride flag clearly emphasizes the intent to wish harm upon the LGBT community. It is worrisome to me that one could see that as a simple, harmless comment.

  • Spalding55 Placentia, CA
    June 19, 2019 5:14 p.m.

    @PP - Eagle Mountain, UT
    I did not call it a hate crime, I called it hate speech. Do you really want to argue “All Gays will die” is hate speech or not? I’ll leave it up to the police to determine whether it raises to the level of a crime. It’s certainly something to be investigated.
    @Confused - You might argue that the statement is not a threat, I question that alone. When added to a burning flag, this “comment” becomes more menacing, and definitely something to be concerned about.

    The school’s actions were not Draconian. These students were suspended from the football team, an extra curricular activity. Schools routinely have additional standards tied to activities like these. Example: Coaches have suspended and kicked athletes off teams for actions that occurred off campus and after school such as drinking, fighting and hazing or posting something inappropriate on social media.
    As of now, nothing academically has happened to these students.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 19, 2019 5:13 p.m.

    @kug

    "Why, if one can burn an American flag and it is 'free speech' is it not 'free speech' to burn any other flag in America?"

    Did I miss something? Did the kids go to jail? Last I heard they were still free, and still able to exercise all the freedoms they were able to exercise yesterday.

  • Kug Big Arm, MT
    June 19, 2019 4:29 p.m.

    Simple question, another commenter mentioned it. Why, if one can burn an American flag and it is 'free speech' is it not 'free speech' to burn any other flag in America? If that is still where I live?

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:59 p.m.

    Not on school property - not anything to do with the school at all - not a criminal activity. Why did Horsley "have any reason - or right - to take action"? Fail a test, vandalize school property, tease someone at school - all justifiable reasons for suspension from the team. Commit an actual crime - also justification. Do something unlinked to the school at all - not justifiable no matter how you feel about the "issue".

    It's chilling to me the draconian state measures that are being taken here. Someone on here mentioned "hate crime". So if burning a flag isn't a crime, and saying mean things isn't a crime, and 'hate legislation" is only supposed to strengthen the sentence of another crime - what crime do you want to charge them with?

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:55 p.m.

    Impartial7 - "You purposely left out the "All gays will die" part of the story."

    Does it say these "Students" said that? NO! they said "Someone" said.

    Saying "All gays will die" is not a threat, it is a comment, saying "Death to all gays" is a threat.

    Definition of a threat: "a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace:"

    So me the "intent to do harm" in that comment?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:38 p.m.

    Wow! To all you clueless "patriots" conflating burning a pride flag to burning the US flag. You purposely left out the "All gays will die" part of the story. "Death to America" chants would hopefully help you see. That could be taken as a threat. Kids, especially gay kids, at school have enough challenges. They don't need football players making videos for the rest of the school kids to see, advocating harm to them. What is wrong with you?

  • Passepartout Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. I applaud the high school for taking a stand in a state where LGBT suicides soar far above the national average.

  • Spalding55 Placentia, CA
    June 19, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    The PC argument became moot the moment the threatening comment was made at the end of the video. The comment at the end of the video made it hate speech and a threat. Speaking from experience, once school officials saw the video and comment, they were obligated to report it to the police and do a threat assessment. They wouldn't Be doing their job if they didn’t. With all the incidents that have happened the past year, this type of thing has to be taken seriously. You may try to argue that burning the gay pride is symbolically the same as burning the American flag, but the moment the threat is added, that argument is moot, and the seriousness of the incident goes up several notches.

  • Bigger Bubba Herriman, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:01 p.m.

    Would the same thing happen if students burned a Bible? Probably not.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 19, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    Burning an American flag won't get you sent to jail, but it may very well cost you your job.

    Burning a rainbow glad won't get you sent to jail, but it may very well cost you your spot on the football team.

    I don't see the inconsistency some of you do.

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    It’s not affecting their rights as students. It’s affecting the choice to be part of the football team.

  • Powerdown Farmington, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    I do find their actions inappropriate for a school setting. However, if some students have a right to fly a flag, other students should have a right to burn it. The LGBT flag is not untouchable nor should be extraordinarily protected.

  • Jim Mesa, AZ
    June 19, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    Would this come under 1st amendment rights? You can burn the US flag and it is considered to be a 1st amendment right. But you can't burn a LGBT flag under the same amendment?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:21 p.m.

    The fact that a gay flag is more sacred than an american flag is why gay activists are viewed as being so hopelessly hypocritical.

    The video may have been been insensitive; but it is far less insensitive than the gay community pressing local government to name streets, ships, parks, etc after an icon with a self admitted history of exploiting high school students (with substance abuse problems). But the DN wont talk about that because it is not civil.

    Every time i see a certain name on buildings and streets; I am reminded that adults abusing children is deemed OK when done by the PC people. But children doing stupid things as children is not.

    We live in a truly messed up era.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    Tolerance needs to be taught, Love one another...

  • zgomer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    If the American flag is burned, the gay flag most surely can be burned also.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    You can’t burn those flags , but you can sure hang them up on Main Street.