Amid urgent climate warnings, EPA gives coal a reprieve

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  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    June 20, 2019 6:02 a.m.

    Electriq-Global has a new hydrogen liquid fuel for internal combustion engines invented by a Nobel prize winner in chemistry from Israel. The claim is that is costs half as much and you go twice as far. The emission is good old H20. The fuel contains 60% water. If successful this is likely to obviate the need for electric cars. Nations dependent on oil sales will suffer. The fuel is recharged at a special facility. Sort of exciting if it works and they claim it does.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2019 11:53 p.m.

    @nonames
    "No one is propping it up. But there is no need to artificially kill it off before alternatives are ready for prime time."

    Actually, the Clean Power Plan had clearly documented goals showing the 'need' for it in health, community and environmental capacities, with supporting data.

    "But the same folks who celebrated Obama's executive order pen are not horrified that Trump can undo those orders with EOs of his own."

    The CPP was not enabled nor revoked using Executive Order, so your argument is moot. These were EPA regulations that were implemented and rolled back, not EOs.

    "Follow the constitution and pass laws the right way."

    Again, these were EPA regulations that were passed completely legally, no different than hundreds of other regulation changes made every year. They were not EOs.

    The biggest difference is that Obama's EPA produced the data showing the benefits to health of implementing those standards. Trump's EPA claimed that those health benefits were overstated, and then reversed those standards.

    It the end, none of Obama EPA changes had any impact, as lawsuits delayed their implementation. So claiming the CCP killed any coal mines is a false claim.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 19, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    @mcclark: "Coal is a dying industry, trying to prop it up is not going to change that."

    No one is propping it up. But there is no need to artificially kill it off before alternatives are ready for prime time.

    All President Trump has done is reversed an Obama mandate. Had Obama worked with congress to get these standards written into law, Trump would be powerless. But the same folks who celebrated Obama's executive order pen are not horrified that Trump can undo those orders with EOs of his own.

    There is a lesson here for hyper-partisans on both sides of the aisle. Sadly, the self-proclaimed intellectually superior refuse to even admit that lesson.

    If the standards for pollution were not sufficient under Obama, he should have taken the science to the congress (Democrats held both houses by fillibuster proof margins for a full year) and persuaded congress to change the law. Instead, he used an executive order that could be reversed by the next guy. Never assume the other side is consigned to the ash heap of history and won't win another election, maybe the next election.

    Follow the constitution and pass laws the right way. Or, don't complain when the other side undoes them.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    mcclark
    you are correct. so why all the consternation from you libs? if this industry is dying, you should not get so excited about a decision that does not change that.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:20 p.m.

    Coal is a dying industry, trying to prop it up is not going to change that.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    I ride my bike to work but I’m tempted to stop taking one for the team if the team is determined to go down in a heat-choked mess. Here’s the thing though: my personal ethics will get me up early, fixing flats, stopping to help those along the way. I learned a long time ago that we’re all in this together. Seeking money and lucre won’t make us happy or fulfilled. I just hope that humanity gives up its love of money in time.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic - Orem, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:07 p.m.
    Coal, the fuel of the future, for backward thinking anti-science pro-pollution republicans everywhere.
    I really don't understand the love of filth."It's not the love of filth. It's the love of money. The GOP doesn't care about filth as long as the polluters are ling their pocket. "Family Values" right?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    Disgusting.

    trump has lived all his life in an artificial, gilded world with comforts only imagined by millions around the world.

    Now he wants to trash the world by trashing the progress we've made in cleaner air and water in the past 50 years.

    But it's all okay because he and his wealthy friends will always be able to take refuge in their mega mansions and high rises.

    Disgusting.

  • Doom Turtle SLC/SLC, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    Trump's Environmental Protection Agency has recently released a report showing that air quality in the US has worsened over the last two years, reversing improvement made over the previous decades. They are talking about particulates and ozone. Burning more coal will only worsen this reversion to the past, as will Trump'sreversal of fuel standards for vehicles and other emissions standards. The statement that CO2 is not a pollutant is absurd and contradicts the overwhelming majority of climate and environmental scientists. Perhaps the guy lost in DC could provide links to peer-reviewed studies from reputable journals to back this up. Oh, and I do have solar panels.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    Climate damaging pollution

    What pollution would that be? CO2? CO2 is not pollution. Any scientist who claims CO2 is pollution should have their credentials revoked

    It gives states the leeway. So if blue states want to kill their coal industries, they can do it, but common sense states don’t have to

    love how trump flips nancy’s switch. Her diatribe against this action is comical

    Hey nancy! CO2 is not dirty, it doesn’t choke our skies or poison our waters. Climate change is not our “existential threat”, you meet the definition of an existential threat more than anything else

    “Competition from cheaper natural gas and renewable fuel has continued a yearslong trend driving U.S. coal plant closings to near-record levels last year”

    Don’t need the EPA to speed up the process. Of course, dems and libs have never believed in the market; they want central control of all aspects of our lives

    If nancy would quit hyperventilating, that would reduce our CO2 considerably

    HVH
    The love of filth. I don’t get why maher has an audience, either

    Have you, one vote, and Imp7 put solar panels all over your house? Do you walk or ride your bike to work? Do you pay extra for “green energy”?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:25 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic - Orem, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:07 p.m.
    Coal, the fuel of the future, for backward thinking anti-science pro-pollution republicans everywhere.
    I really don't understand the love of filth."

    It's not the love of filth. It's the love of money. The GOP doesn't care about filth as long as the polluters are ling their pocket. "Family Values" right?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:07 p.m.

    Coal, the fuel of the future, for backward thinking anti-science pro-pollution republicans everywhere.

    I really don't understand the love of filth.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Fake pollution.