There sure a lot of people worried about the loss of Crowder. He was a better
than average defender but more often than not he would shoot the Jazz out of a
game. He was not a good shooter and he has very poor form on his jumper. Royce
will walk right into his spot and no one will know the difference.
Phineas,You have some good points; I didn't realize that the trade
was only for two years, with the attendant push for going for it all now. So I
can agree with most of your reasoning. The problem still biting the
Jazz is that they still need another big star along with Conley if they are
going to really try to win it all. The Lakers have two huge stars now, though
one is on his downslope, and are trying to get a third. The Jazz need another
top notch star (besides Mitchell-Conley-Gobert) to be a real championship
contender. And they need that player now to make what you are taking about work
as a reality. Sure would be nice.....
PhineasGauge.......The Jazz are not winning a championship in the next 2
As a Trailblazer fan. Even our sports pundits say this is a good trade for the
Jazz. To the doubters out there. You rolled the dice and landed a key player.I hope we are healthy enough to keep up. Golden State will take a step back.
Houston is stuck in place. OKC and the Spurs who knows. The Lakers I can't
stand. But Portland, Utah, Denver and the Clippers are moving up.
To all teh individuals questioning this move based on Conley's age.....
This is a two year deal. The Jazz are taking a run at a title over the next two
years. There is really no risk to the Jazz making this deal. Gobert and Mitchell
are not going to wait forever for a shot at a title. The Jazz gave up dime a
dozen role players and draft picks they cannot sign anyway (due to the cap spend
they will have to use to resign Mitchell after his rookie contract). This is a
great move for both teams. Memphis got next to nothing in return in terms of
players but they shed payroll and picked up a couple future assets. Utah has put
themselves in contention in the West without taking on a long term contract.
The Jazz had ZERO chance to land a star (better than Conley) through free
agency. This is the perfect two year gamble for them.
Giving up Crowder is a bad move unless there is another move on its way. The
Jazz can't function with Favors at the 4. Great backup to Gobert though.
There was no reason to include Crowder in this deal. Just taking Conley's
huge contract off the books for Memphis should have been enough. But giving up
2 1st round picks is bad bad bad. The Jazz don't know how to negotiate a
good deal for themselves. At least now we won't have to listen to the Kevin
Love blabber.Grayson was way too early to know his potential. I
actually liked his style of play. Thought he might be a good fit down the road.
I don't care for Exum at all. He can't shoot and he can't stay
on the court. Korver couldn't help in the playoffs so you move
on from him.
I find it odd that so many posters think Crowder will be a big loss. I liked
Crowder, he worked hard, but he isn’t a special player. Every team has
several Crowders, and the Jazz can find another Jae anywhere.The
Jazz’ problem is they can’t scor.e. True scorers are hard to find.
Deal whatever you need to to get them, even if you have to give up a dozen role
players. You can go fill your roster out with role players at the end.
After 35 years as a Jazz fan, I have never criticized management, coaches, or
ownership; only player I did not like was D-Will. But losing Rubio to trade
for Conley looks like this:The point guard position just got almost 5
years older, 4 inches shorter, and cost twice as much. I like Conley but, at
this stage, would rather have Rubio. I am probably wrong but we will see in
about February. I just hope Exum can stay healthy. The jazz are going to need
him, I think. Despite this criticism, I think the Millers have provided great
entertainment for a long time. They have run a good business; kept the team
here; and stayed away from knucklehead players. I don't care about a
championship; just want to have a good show. The Millers have provided that and
avoided the nonsense that we see in New York, LA, Houston and New Orleans.
Good trade for the Jazz. Only had to give up three bench players, although Jae
Crowder is a spark and will be missed. Kyle Korver may not have played next year
anyway and Grayson Allen has a way to go. The #23 pick is not that much to give
up and the next pick is protected.In return the Jazz get a proven
defender, shooter, playmaker and difference maker coming off his best season
statistically ever. The $33 million is a drag, but what we gave up for him makes
up for that.Ricky Rubio is a class act. He was great for Utah but he
is not a Mike Connelly. Jazz fans will remember him fondly.
This is a great trade for the Jazz. It may not be all that is needed for a
championship but the team is better on July 6 than it was yesterday. Why is the trade good? Traded Crowder, Korver (who likely will retire), and
Allen. Gave up 23rd pick and a future pick. Kept Favors and Exum. A
shout out to Ricky Rubio. You are a class act. Best of luck wherever you land.
We will remember you fondly.
And finally, to the armchair experts who thought Exum and Rubio should have gone
instead...really? Get with the program, get informed, please, so we don't
have to waste keystrokes getting you that way. Rubio's contract is expired,
and nobody is going to take Exum. Now, just sit back and enjoy as
one of the best teams in the NBA hits its stride due to this shrewd move. The only questions anybody should really have is why Memphis did it.
There must be some side-deal sweeteners on the side or something.
To the armchair experts on this board who think it's a bad move: I laugh in
your face. To the armchair experts who aren't showing up to own up to their
assertions that the Jazz won't spend the money: I laugh in your face. Now
for b-ball.It's a pivotal move, no question. I think a big part
of the gravity of the move was to boost the Jazz appeal for above mid-level guys
to think seriously about the Jazz's chances in the West, with all the
disarray. But even the mid-level availability is impressive, like Aminu, Ariza,
Thaddeus Young, Rudy Gaye, Jeremy Lamb. Lamb would be a great addition and would
keep them under the soft cap, and they'd be able to pick up Favs'
option. If they decided to waive Favs, they could go after Horford, Harris, etc.
I personally think they should go over the soft cap and sign a big name for a
year while keeping Favs. Horford would be a dream to get, and they'd still
be well under the hard cap if they waived Favs. I'm a huge Favs fan, but if
Harris or Horford wanted to come aboard? Thanks for all you've done,
Great move by the Utah Jazz! The Jazz must of thought that they we're not
going to land a big name in free agency and they knew they had to grab
somebody good and they did. They didn't have to give up much to get Conley
which is a good thing. Most of those guys traded had no future with the Jazz
anyway. Now they need to find a new home for Dante Exum. I would love to see
the Jazz go after Isaiah Thomas from the Nuggets and try to get him as a backup
The case FOR the trade: • The Jazz losing Jae Crowder is a
big loss to be sure, however the Jazz are deep at that position. They are
hurting for an efficient guard. • Conley ranks as one of
the league’s most efficient scorers in the pick-and-roll, and the Jazz
have Gobert, Favors, and Ingels to benefit by that. •
Conley is efficient, and Donovan Mitchell is dynamic but inefficient. Conley is
sure to be an influence, and to take backcourt defensive attention off of
Mitchell to help him grow. • The Warriors will be without
Thompson and Durant next season, whether because of free agency or because of
injury. • The Rockets are breaking up. It's reported
the animosity between James Harden and Chris Paul is irreparable, and they are
looking to trade CP3. • The Lakers look great and they
aren't even done yet, but that franchise has been imploding every season
since they let Phil Jackson go. I'm not convinced their super team can beat
a stable, well-coached Jazz team in a 7-game series. In short,
with Conley the Jazz are better for 1 to 3 seasons, and maybe the West is
diminished just enough to let the Jazz sneak through the window.
Over-all, not the best trade. If Conley turns out to be a great player, that
will barely account for all the Jazz gave up to get him, that remains to be
seen.But he is 31. How many good years does he have left in top
form. Many NBA players start to tail off at 32-33. I think the Jazz
made a foolish trade and will pay for it. In the meantime, if he plays at a high
level for a year or two and the Jazz can make a good deep run into the playoffs,
great; I will enjoy that.
Unless the Jazz have some plans to really strengthen the bench, they'd
better hope they have zero injuries to Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Favors, and
Gobert and that they can each play 38 minutes a game. All of those players other
than Ingles (arguably the weakest of the lot) have missed time dur to one injury
or another. What do you do then?The bench is Exum, Neto,
O'Neale, Niang, and Bradley. (Everything assumes they guarantee the
contracts of Favors, Neto, O'Neale, and Niang.) That is not a lineup that
is going to strike fear into anybody. The Jazz need at least two
more solid rotation players or their depth is gone. And they didn't leave
themselves any financial flexibility. They have $2M in cap space. They have a
$9.2M exemption.Tobias Harris is out. Malcom Brogdan is out. Khris
Middleton is out. D'Angelo Russell is out. Heck even guys like Mirotic are
out of the picture. And they emptied their stock of assets so it is going to be
very hard to make a trade that will improve the team. Draft picks? Forget it.
They gave those away also.So here they are with a talented starting
five and nothing behind them and no way to get anything behind them. Scary
Hopefully Favors is safe, unless they get a three point shooting big man, this
hurts. Milsap is too old and his game has slipped, I loved Paul but we need a
lot more. Jae defended three positions, his shooting was down last year, but I
considered him as good for the team as Conley straight across. Allen and two
more first rounders is ridiculous. Those mentioning Ricky need to remember he is
a free agent and could not have been dealt unless a sign a trade was created.
This doesn’t make sense unless something else is in the works.
The Jazz should have asked me. The chemistry lost in this trade is a sad
thing for Utah.
Jazz are not done. As fans we get attached to much to players, and I loved
Crowder and hos tooughness but he was not a great fit and shot below average.
Favors will be the next piece to fall as well. Even if Jazz pick up hs option
it will be to make a trade either now or at the deadline. Jazz REALLY WANT a
stretch four. If Denver does not pick up Milsap's contract Jazz could go
get him on the cheap. The modern NBA stretch 4 is coming to Utah, likely this
year, and it will be at the expense of fan favorite Favors.Sorry
Favors fans, it is the expense of winning a championship.For those
not thinking the Jazz will be deep though this is huge.PG - Cnnelly, Exum,
NetoSG - Mitchell, O'NielSF - Ingles, NiangPF - TBD or
Mike is a good player but this is too much, loosing Jae will hurt the Jazz. The
money would have been better spent on a wing. I hope they have something going
for an upgrade at the wing. The Jazz loose depth.
I am usually a supporter of the Jazz and their personnel moves, but I don't
like today's transactions, not yet anyway. There are only 10
players in the entire NBA with a worse 3-point percentage than Rubio; I thought
sure we'd move him on.As for Grayson Allen, he is CHEAP and his
productivity spiked at the end of the season and in the playoffs.To
close out last season, Allen had a:• 14 point game against the Suns
on April 3, • 23 point game against the Kings on April 5, and a • 40 point game against the Clippers April 10.Allen looked
like he'd be ready to play meaningful minutes this coming season. Allen is
a committed defender, a developing 3-point shooter.But losing Jae
Crowder is big. Beyond his numbers, Crowder's HEART inspires teammates and
the crowd alike.Conley will make $32.5 million next season and $34.5
million in 2020-21. For perspective, that's more than James Harden, Kevin
Durant, Blake Griffin, Kawhi Leonard, etc. I love Conley, but he is
too expensive and we gave up WAY too much for him.On the other hand,
what a WONDERFUL mentor for Donovan Mitchell he could turn out to be.
Anybody who doesn't like this trade will be proven wrong.
This is a big move, especially to still finish 5th in the conference.
I like the trade. However, Crowder was their enforcer and Koerver was their 3
ball. That needs to be addressed. It looks like "run and gun" to me.
This is not the disciplined offense of Malone and Stockton. It looks like
something out of Dodge City with two shooters and a rebounder. ----If they can
get the Serb with the expired contract, then maybe it can work out. The setup
now leaves a lot of holes without the skills of Crowder and Koerver. The Jazz
of Malone and Stockton had plenty of spear carriers to fill in with special
skills just like the Bulls did. You cannot have a team with just three stars
without spear carriers.
As an additional thought on Conley, he should excel in Utah. I haven't
watched him play, but I hear he has a great lob (Gobert gonna love him) and he
has a great floater - could be wicked dangerous combo. Drive the lane on a
Gobert screen and roll and then lob if the D switches onto Gobert, or float it
if they both drop on Gobert.I would like the Jazz O to do a little
of what Toronto did in the finals - had multiple players drive and kick followed
by another drive and kick. Between Conley, Mitchell, and Ingles all being able
to get to the rim and finish really well + Gobert playing the lob, that strat
could work wonders. Favors is a really nice passer as well. The last
question is who is the bench for the Jazz besides O'Neil?
Trading Crowder away is going to haunt the Jazz. Sad to see him go.
Solid trade, we really didn't give up all that much for a solid PG who will
greatly improve the team. Sad to see Crowder go as he was one of my favorites on
Excited about Conley. Sad to see Crowder go, but I think the Jazz made out
pretty good with this trade. The 23rd pick isn't much and next year their
pick is likely to be around the same. So 2 20+ draft picks and Crowder plus
potential in Allen for a near all star. Crowder was best for his emotion and
edge he brought, his shooting lacked anything special. Now if the
Jazz can just dump Exum mid season after he heals in favor of a quality backup
to Conley. Then use the last 9+ mil on a good shooter off the bench.With Durant most likely gone (and surely next season) and Klay Thompson out
next season with his ACL, the Warriors are not even the top 3 teams in the west.
Houston has an ever aging Chris Paul who is injury prone. If Conley can stay
around 20/6/4 at near 40% 3pt shooting, the Jazz could easily be a top 3 team in
the West. (Probably behind Denver and Lakers-assuming they pick up their last 1
or 2 pieces this offseason).
Time to get Klay Thompson and complete the Jazz Dream Team! Wow,
this is exciting news.
t-money.....rubio is a free agent. he couldn't have been a part of the deal
@DavidMillerHe did call Utah a city, but he must have updated his tweet.
Given the upcoming available free agent pool, I'm actually glad the Jazz
made this deal. Rather than risk swinging and missing for Tobias Harris, Kemba
Walker, Malcom Brogdon, etc., the Jazz decided to go the surefire route with a
trade.I get the concerns about his age, but I believe he's
still a fantastic point guard and will fit very well with Gobert, Mitchell,
Favors, and Ingles in the starting lineup. This gives the Jazz a two year
window to try to compete for a championship. The summer of 2021 will be a big
year for the Jazz as Conley, Mitchell, Gobert, Ingles, and Exum are all
scheduled to be free agents (pending any future extensions that may be offered).
Another effect of this trade is that unless further moves are made,
it will also free up more time for Niang and O'Neale, which I'm
perfectly fine with. We may get to see if Tony Bradley will be worth keeping as
Welcome to SLC Mike!Sad to see Jae and Kyle go. Jae is a big, mean and
passionate player who turned around many games last season. Who will be our Jae
Crowder? This should be interesting.
@timidsparrowBecause your a Ute fan and that makes you all knowing in
everything. Haven't even threw it up at center court yet and you know where
Now who are the Jazz likely to target with the 9 mil left in cap space?
Shrewd trade. The Jazz just went from the 5th-best team in the west to the
6th-best team in the west.
Not sorry to see the ticking time-bomb Grayson go.
@Yokohamaboy & @MDJazz62 - He didn't call Utah a city. He said
"Excited to give all I have to The Jazz and Salt Lake City!"I'm okay losing Korver and Allen but I will miss Crowder. They all
deserve nothing but respect when they play in SLC in the future.
"I bet we trade Ricky Rubio for something." - H8RedThe Jazz
can't trade Ricky Rubio because he is a free-agent. He is not coming back
to the Utah Jazz but could end up playing for the Indiana Pacers.
I'll miss Crowder and Korver, but Korver is old and Crowder is
inconsistent. I hope the crowd gives them a huge cheer when they visit the Jazz
this coming season, as both have given it their all while here. Allen showed a bit of potential but I am fine losing him. Hopefully losing the
picks won't hurt too bad. Conley is a perfect fit for the Jazz
alongside Donovan and Rudy. Especially in taking offensive pressure off of
Donovan. Hopefully Conley can stay healthy. Go Jazz!
I would have like to have kept Jae and Grayson for sure. Kyle is about done. What are we going to do with all of these PG's? I bet we trade
Ricky Rubio for something. Hopefully another wing to fill for Kyle & Jae.
I'm hoping he quickly figures out the Utah is the state and SLC is the
city....haha.....glad to see the JAZZ are upgrading, but sad to see Jae Crowder
No bueno IMO. The Jazz gave up too much, in particular draft picks (young
talent) for a 12 year veteran. Cross your fingers that Conley has at least 4
good years in his legs and wants to stay in Utah.
He called Utah a city in his twitter post on the article haha
I like it, hopefully this will re-energize Conley and he'll play like
he's 3-4 years younger, now the Jazz just need to find a new "junkyard
dog"...at least the Jazz did something!!
Hmmmmm . . I don't know. Crowder will be missed, and I feel like he's
probably bummed himself. He seemed to be a great fit here. If we got a 27 or
28-year-old Conley, I'd be more stoked, but at 31 you just never know what
he has left in the tank. I guess we'll see. Few trades to upgrade your
roster are risk-free.
With the warriors crippled this is the season to go all in. Glad too see they
will keep Favors unless they can get someone better in free Agency and waive
Should have been Rubio/Exum instead of Crowder or Korver. Conley will fill a
deep hole in the team but Crowder and Korver were big offensive assets.
Hopefully Conley will get in a good offensive groove with Mitchell and Gobert.
Undoubtedly, we are in a better position now than we were this time last year.
Well, the Jazz finally pulled the trigger on the trade. I'm certain Memphis
wanted more but keeping Favors on the team was high my list of being an absolute
must. The rest of the deal I'm okay with since this year's draft pick
and even the future pick will be in the 20s.
Crowder was guaranteed energy off the bench. He will be missed. Otherwise,
let's go Jazz!