'Why not now?' Lawmakers debate reparations for slavery

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  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    June 23, 2019 5:37 p.m.

    Many are "owed" reparations that will never come; given human history!!

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2019 5:22 p.m.

    We are helping the black population already.

    There are a wide range of scholarships, grants, and other programs available to help African Americans to get ahead with education and skills.
    5.7 million Medicare beneficiaries are African American, 10% of all beneficiaries.
    In 2017, African Americans accounted for 20%of Medicaid enrollees.
    37.5% of the population in federal prisons are black. We pay for their housing, health care, meals, and other services they need.
    In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population.
    African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
    The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women.
    Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested,
    42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially
    waived to criminal court.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    June 20, 2019 2:52 p.m.

    How about the 620,000 men who died in the Civil War? Does that count for anything? How about trillions spent on welfare programs? How about affirmative action? None of that counts? Really? We don't do anyone any service by playing along with the absurd idea that their economic struggles have anything to do with slavery at this point. It's nonsense and everybody knows it. The Democratic party should pay us all reparations for the myriad of ways they have wrecked this country with their racist identity politics.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 20, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    Is this the Democratic Party's way of saying they want four more years of Trump? Must be, because issues like this will guarantee four more years of the Trump debacle.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    June 20, 2019 2:13 p.m.

    Reperation's

    Reperation's were paid for in blood, hundreds of thousands of americans died to preserve this country and to eradicate slavery fighting against the southern Democrat states who wanted to preserve it.

    Now it's the democratic party wanting pay money to descendants who have never experienced slavery. I think the time for reperations has come and gone over 150 years ago, those who actually experienced slavery were the true victims and it is awfully tiring hearing about victimhood for a class of people just to buy their votes.

    Think about it folks, the democrat party is the true party of slavery, jim crow laws and segregation and they constantly use promises of free money to subjigate them which translates into votes, when all they recieve from the govt is meager welfare checks and govt slum housing.

    The dem party will lie about anything to win a vote, as for example trump russia collusion, trump helps the rich when oblama bailed them out, tearing down confederate statues when they are the ones who erected them in the first place...etc

    The dems are trying to rewrite history with lies and corruption its right in front of us all, why can't some see it.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    June 20, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    I agree with wrz. We are fortunate to have in our population descendants of slaves, and they are fortunate to be here. We need to move on with issues of today!

    I have been interested in family history nearly all my life. I have had hundred of contacts with distant cousins, many meetings, many visits and much more. However, I could have had many more distant cousins had their fathers not died in the War Between the States. Uncle Elias died in a "hospital," victim of war disease. His only daughter had already died. Uncle Robert died in a "skirmish" over horses the Confederates were trying to take from his father. He was 18 and serving in a local unit. Several other uncles (generations back) survived the war, but went home physically and mentally spent. Shouldn't I have reparations for their suffering, and for the cousins I don't have?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 20, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    Reparations have been made several times over. Billions of dollars.

    It's called benefits.

    Are Democrats colluding for tax payer money to influence the next election?

  • wrz Springville, UT
    June 20, 2019 11:30 a.m.

    The descendants of slaves in America should not be complaining or asking for more. They live in America, the richest, freest, and powerful country in the world. As for wealth, take a look at some of the "slaves" descendants... they're millionaires enjoying wealth running up and down basket courts and football fields. Some sit in the US Congress with big wages helping to make America continue to be the great. Couldn't ask for a better life for almost all of them... much better than back in native Africa.

  • Neanderthal Springville, UT
    June 20, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    @No One Of Consequence, Salt Lake City, UT --- "One could visit Civil War cemeteries and ponder how the debt was paid in blood by so many thousands who died to end slavery."

    It looks like it might have been a mistake to end slavery with a devastating war since so many American lives were lost in the war. Perhaps the best action for all would have been to return the 'slaves' back to the country of origin.

  • Alfred Springville, UT
    June 20, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    Reparations have already occurred. It's called the "Emancipation Proclamation." If there's to be a cash payment, hand it to the recipients as they board the boat back to the land of origination.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    June 20, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    A case of blatant vote buying and dishonesty by Democrats.

    It shows how completely terrified they are that even a additional small percentage of blacks would start to vote for Republican rather than to continue to live a life of victim-hood.

    As the article said, American is far better off "continuing" to put money into services for todays safety net covering Blacks and other poor groups.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:16 a.m.

    Even though this utterly nonsensical and unjust scheme will never pass, the mere attempt to give more "free stuff" will absolutely win the votes of potential recipients. And, they will be told repeatedly that if they don't get the promised "free stuff" is it all the fault of the evil racist Republicans.

    Good politics, for Democrats who always seek to divide voters into separate victim groups and target them with outrages and promises that only voting Democrat will fix. (They claim.)

    Ask the inner city populations dependent on the Democrat welfare plantation how much better off they are after 60+ years voting Democrat.

    Compare the multi-generational poverty of urban Democrat voters with the prosperity of first and second generation immigrants from other countries who arrived with nothing, not speaking English, and no experience in American culture. Their success seems to be initiative, hard work, yearning for education, and rejection of victimhood.

    "Reparations" will only make the recipients even more dependent and less self supporting.

    Shame on Democrats for this race-baiting pandering!

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    June 20, 2019 5:41 a.m.

    Reparations will NEVER happen. This is simply a gimmick, and a very disingenuous one, to get the Black vote.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    June 19, 2019 10:26 p.m.

    Lou montanya

    "Republican's support all things that keep our wages low and cost of living high"

    Oh you mean the failed attempt to make the U.S. more green by eliminating coal mining and oil drilling that makes up the largest source for generating electricity without replacing those resource's with a cost effective alternative forcing the electric companies into using more expensive methods, our utilities have never so high thanks to Oblama.

    "Republicans support debt slavery and supported president who makes racist comments"

    Oh you mean the trillions spent bailing out all of the banks that keep us in indebted servitude that help cause the great recession - again Oblama, and the true cause of the recession was the recinding of the glass steagal act of 1933 - thanks B Clinton, another dem.

    What "racist comments" ?, if you're referring to the charlottesville comments, then watch the whole recording in context where Trump clearly stated he was not referring to white supremacist's.

    One should really stop watching rachel maddow and the rest of the taploid worthy main stream media.

    P.S. Banks don't discriminate between party lines, they'll lend to anyone willing to sign up.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    June 19, 2019 6:36 p.m.

    Democrats: Let me teach you a word. 'No'. It is an empowering word when used to help those who feel like victims wanting to blame their indebtedness on the Republicans, Capitalism, or anyone selling a product. Go ahead. 'No'. 'No, I don't want the big screen tv, the brand new car, cable, netflix, and 100% lean ground beef. You can do it! 'No'. Try it a few times. After you learn that word, go to work rather than sitting around saying that other people are putting you in debt. You can do it.

  • Frozen Fractals Paducah, KY
    June 19, 2019 5:04 p.m.

    @RiDal
    "I understand that the Republican Party was formed specifically to promote abolition.
    Prior to the Civil War, not a single Republican in the USA owned a slave."

    That latter statement is false. There's always exceptions when we're talking about millions of people.

    @lost in DC
    "reduced rates from 15% to 10% for lower wage earners, cutting their rates by 50%"

    33% cut.

    @RiDal
    "We are very well aware of the "Southern Strategy", which was an attempt to improve Republican support in the urban South"

    Urban south? That's like the one area Democrats still controlled after their massive decline. The Southern Strategy wasn't looking to scoop up urban support, Republicans were looking to scoop up Dixiecrat support. The ones who fled the Democratic party to back a segregationist third party bid in 1968.

  • No One Of Consequence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:37 p.m.

    One could visit Civil War cemeteries and ponder how the debt was paid in blood by so many thousands who died to end slavery. Volunteers and conscripts, they stood up and did what had to be done. And on their shoulders stand those who fought, and sometimes died, in the Civil Rights movement. Demanding reparations be paid taxpayers of all races for the sins of the ancestors of a few of them is disrespectful to those who fought the fights of the past and will cause further racial divisions when instead we should be working to lift our fellow human beings regardless of color.

  • deseret pete Springville, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:18 p.m.

    Another Junk study that the Democrats would surely try to legislate into law no matter how the study went. Just add this to all the junk legislation they have already passed that will never see daylight . They are a political party looking for something to run on that will pass muster, but unable to do have lost their way amid the land mine of small thinking and Socialism.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2019 4:08 p.m.

    We are very well aware of the "Southern Strategy", which was an attempt to improve Republican support in the urban South, just as both parties were doing. The idea that it caused a "reversal" of the parties is as preposterous myth created by Democrats, desperately trying to dissociate themselves from the party's racist history. It is a silly as claiming that the NAACP and KKK completely "reversed" their positions.

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    I find it interesting — and sad —to see how ignorant some commenters here are of the history of our country’s two major political parties. In particular, they seem unaware of Nixon’s infamous “Southern Strategy” and how it triggered a virtual reversal of the two parties’ political orientation during the past half century.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 2:20 p.m.

    LOU
    I’m talking about the Bush tax cuts that reduced rates from 15% to 10% for lower wage earners, cutting their rates by 50%, removing income tax liabilities for millions of others completely and doubling the child tax credit to help families. That’s more than just a one-time check that was part of a stimulus package

    Your selective and partisan memory is again rearing its head. I’m sorry it’s affecting your ability to recall real events.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:47 p.m.

    LOU,

    Apart from the goal post shifting going on in your post, if a check for $360 if a joke to you, then you don't need a tax break.

    And contrary to what you'll hear in the MSM, Trump's tax break did lower the tax burden of most middle class Americans.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    @LOU Montana

    "Don't be fooled, the wealthy are the true benefactors of American socialism. "

    and the only people pushing socialism in America are far left democrats; so what's your point (if the point is that you don't understand facts - then the point has been received)

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    Being abused is terrible: however making victimhood ones basis for power virtually guarantees that you will always be a victim ( because to reject victimhood is to give up power).

    Slavery was despicable: but all racial groups have their own sordid history with the issue.

    remaining in self imposed intellectual slavery cannot be solved with reparations.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 19, 2019 1:24 p.m.

    lost in DC - West Jordan, UT

    "Those tax cuts eliminated income taxes for millions of people. Dems have never let so many people keep so much of their own money."

    The Bush tax cut? Are you talking about that one time check for $360.00?
    LOL! I gave that one to my kids it was such a joke! If Bush's tax cuts amounted to anything I would have noticed. Bush doubled the number of government employees and threw this country into a national debt with his government spending. Nice try though.

    Keep it real.

  • BlueMoonOden Hinckley, IL
    June 19, 2019 12:51 p.m.

    Speaking for myself, I feel I don't owe anyone reparations. My ancestors came to this country from the slums and workhouses of London in the late 1800s. My other side were alcoholic, low wage workers from Hamburg who came to America around the same time. Obviously none of my people ever owned slaves or were even in the country when it was legal.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    This is pure nonsense. No one alive today is responsible for something that happened and ended over 145 years ago. I am surely not responsible. I'll not have my tax dollar used for this.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    LOU
    Your inability to remember the Bush tax cuts speaks of your partisan view and your selective memory. Those tax cuts eliminated income taxes for millions of people. Dems have never let so many people keep so much of their own money.

  • Husker2 , 00
    June 19, 2019 12:10 p.m.

    What happens after the reparations are paid? Seriously. Does that mean there is no more racism? Do we eliminate quotas based on race such as Affirmative Action?

    Reparations are a silly idea and will solve nothing. In fact, I could see them making race issues in this country worse.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    June 19, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    About 620,000 Americans -- mostly White -- died in the Civil War over slavery. The debt is paid in full.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    June 19, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    All those full of self pity. You have a choice. Only those who think they can be pushed around by every whim or doctrine would believe that they have no choice but to go in debt and blame their debt on the wealthy, Republicans, or any other group! What a farce. Take responsibility for your life.

  • Puukko Orem , 00
    June 19, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    n8ive american - Shelley, Idaho

    AWHFY - Pleasant Grove, UT

    Awesome comments!

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 19, 2019 10:56 a.m.

    Asking grump old white men to understand anything outside of their own wallets is nearly impossible.

    Don't be fooled, the wealthy are the true benefactors of American socialism.

    We live in a world of debt slavery and the Republicans are motivated to keep the American workers in their place.

    I cannot remember one time when Republicans fought hard for tax breaks for the working class.

    Republicans support all things that keep our wages low and cost of living high.
    SLAVERY!

    I do not disagree with the past history of Republicans and Democrats but my how the tables have turned!

    My father's Republican party was a very compassionate group of people. They love their country and they supported the American workers but that is not the case today.

    Republicans support debt slavery and supported president who makes racist comments.

    Have taught my children to work hard, stay out of debt, pay off their homes, and only pay cash for cars. Do not be owned by the system!

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 19, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    Wow! Reparations would be an endless task, and blacks were not the only people used for slavery.

    In American history, many Chinese people were used as slaves as well.

    We continue the slave practice today by purchasing products and creating businesses in countries exploiting super low paying labor.

    Shame! Shame! Shame!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 19, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    Let's recommit ourselves to vigorous enforcement of equal employment opportunity and to laws to ensure equality, prevent discrimination of any person, and protect human rights for those now living and for future generations.

    Reparations for wrongs inflicted on past generations do not bring about retroactive justice. The past is past. Understand it for what it was, good and bad, but look to the future to build a better world. That's the legacy bequeathed to posterity by the founders of our great country.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    June 19, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    I am of Irish and Cherokee ancestry and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Where's my check? All 3 of my groups have been subjected to injustices for many many years. It's only fair that I get reparations.
    Seriously, this is only a further attempt by Democrats to buy votes.

    We all know who owned slaves, who worked to free slaves and that there were hundreds of thousands of White people who fought and died to free the slaves from their democratic owners. So, who should actually pay the reparations? You got it, Democrats.

  • AWHFY Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    Why stop with just African-American slavery? Let’s remember the Native Americans; they were slaughtered and pushed onto what was considered at the time the worst possible land in the nation. Or what about the Japanese Americans who were imprisoned in internment camps during WWII? How about the Mormons who were driven from Missouri and Illinois during the 1830s and 1840s with an Extermination Order signed by one of the governors? And let’s not forget the Hispanics who were pushed out of the states that now border Mexico.

    I am sure without much thought we could find a myriad of other examples of injustice. Let’s get real, none of us today had anything to do with those atrocities of the past. Wouldn’t it be better to learn from those mistakes and try to ensure that we all have a better future?

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    @Shaun: "Do you not understand the history of the parties?"

    I understand that the Republican Party was formed specifically to promote abolition.
    Prior to the Civil War, not a single Republican in the USA owned a slave.
    The Republican Party gave us the Emancipation Proclamation.
    The Republican Party gave us the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (Senate Democrats staged a 54-day filibuster against its passage.)

    All the Jim Crowe Laws were passed in Democrat-controlled States.
    All the notorious Southern racist politicians were Democrats.

    Today, the Republican Party is still the party emphasizing personal liberty (with responsibility) while the Democrat Party is the one emphasizing racial division and pandering to groups specifically due to their race, by offering affirmative action, reparations, and preferential treatments.

    Yes, I understand the history of the Parties pretty well, because I actually studied it.
    Thank you for asking.

  • 3grandslams Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    Another veiled attempt to buy votes. So since this is political let’s keep tax dollars out of this and have the political party that promoted and fought to keep slavery pay up.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    Vote buying, grandstanding, and class warfare and divisiveness from the dems. But that’s what we’ve come to expect from them.

    LOU
    Tax breaks do not GIVE anyone anything. Taking less from someone is not giving, unless you believe everything belongs to the government in the first place, which would not surprise me.

    If you feel guilty about slavery, write a check to the United Negro College Fund or the NAACP.

    Shaun
    Do you? it was democrats who started the civil war to protect their “peculiar institution” of slavery.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    It amazing, the foolish ideas. Get off your rears and get to work on something real.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2019 8:55 a.m.

    Why are people who didn't have slaves being asked to pay for the sin of slavery that ended 150 years ago?

    This isn't fair to me, my family or anyone living today, because newsflash, we didn't have slaves.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    @ridal

    Do you not understand the history of the parties?

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 19, 2019 7:40 a.m.

    Republicans shower the wealthy with billions of dollars in tax breaks, ignore our first responders, have done nothing to improve the VA, done nothing about healthcare for hardworking Americans and now they are asked to make reparations for slavery?

    Saturday Night Live could not make up a parody this funny.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2019 7:09 a.m.

    I would like reparations from the Democratic Party for my ancestors who were killed in the Civil War while fighting to end slavery.