Look, not everyone is upset with Tolmoe for keeping BYU an independent team. I
for one, have loved watching BYU play a smorgasbord of teams over the years.
They can keep doing this till the cows come home as far as I am concerned.
Uteology:"2017 Auburn was #2 in Week 13, not the final poll. They were
also a fraud and didn't deserve a CFP berth. They proved it by losing to
UCF in the Peach Bowl."They were #2 in week 14, not 13, just
before the SECCG...they didn't make the CFP because UGA beat them...had
nothing to do with UCF or being a "fraud" (did U forget they were the
only team to beat the national champion...probably). But honestly, your
continual labeling of frauds after the fact is interesting. So is it your
assertion then, that every highly-ranked team that lost in a meaningless
"also-ran" bowl was a fraud...despite all their success over the entire
season?If so, congratulations on beating a "fraud" in the
pinnacle of your CFB history (2008-09). How sad. And how do we know they were a
fraud? "They proved it by losing to (U) in the (Sugar Bowl)". So now,
you're biggest accomplishment in your entire history was only because U
played a "fraud". Good to know...I never thought much of that fluke
Uteology:"Let me guess, Auburn was also not motivated in the Peach
Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJune 21, 2019 4:11 p.m.Uteology:You're asking about AUB? See, this is the frustration...trying to have a
discussion with fans that live under the bubble on the hill. Auburn- 2017- 2
losses and ranked #2 in the CFP...they beat UGA in the SECCG which, much as I
hate to admit it, was a big possibility going into the 4th qtr, and they're
in the playoff.------Yes a 2 two loss SEC Champion has a
good chance of getting a CFP berth, assuming the other 1 loss CC have a much
weaker SOS.2017 Auburn was #2 in Week 13, not the final poll. They
were also a fraud and didn't deserve a CFP berth. They proved it by losing
to UCF in the Peach Bowl.Let me guess, Auburn was also not motivated
in the Peach bowl?SMH
Uteology:You're asking about AUB? See, this is the
frustration...trying to have a discussion with fans that live under the bubble
on the hill. Auburn- 2017- 2 losses and ranked #2 in the CFP...they beat UGA in
the SECCG which, much as I hate to admit it, was a big possibility going into
the 4th qtr, and they're in the playoff.And it's more
possible than "fantasy"...stop it. I've given 2 examples where it
was pretty darn close. Move on...
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTP.S.- Thanks for pointing out what I
already said, no 2 loss team has ever made it...but it is POSSIBLE (it's
almost happened twice now- AUB & UGA). It used to be that no freshman had
ever won a HT...no team down 3-0 won a playoff series...need I go on? Saying
something so plausible is impossible is just nonsense...move on.--------------Auburn? When was Auburn ever ranked #5 in the final
CFP poll?I never said is was impossible, the probability is not
zero. But claiming it's possible is fantasy, just like BYU finishing 2nd in
Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJune 21, 2019 12:23 p.m.Uteology:Stop maneuvering about and talking about a bowl game that came AFTER the CFP
was decided (before that UGA did have a top 10 SOS with both losses against top
10 opponents- those are real data points I used in my parameters, not my
"fantasies" lol). Let's see, UGA was beating Bama in the 4th qtr
and lost a nail-biter again, while OU was curb-stomped bell to bell (Bama was up
28-0 before OU even found a pulse)...but to U that suggests the CFP got it
right? Sound analysis as always. The only "fraud" is the Pac12 champion
who couldn't beat our 11th place team, but beat U twice! Ouch!-----------What? In 2014, it was CFP season one, 11-1
TCU missed out the playoffs but thumped mighty SEC 9-4 Mississippi in the Peach
Bowl.* Oklahoma was 1-1 vs Texas, 3 points from undefeated, and got
the CFP berth.* Georgia got thumped at LSU and against Bama got
thumped in the 2nd half 21-7, just like your Team A did at RES (35-7).
OUCH!2018 Georgia was a fraud and lost to 9-4 Texas to prove it.
Uteology:Stop maneuvering about and talking about a bowl game that came
AFTER the CFP was decided (before that UGA did have a top 10 SOS with both
losses against top 10 opponents- those are real data points I used in my
parameters, not my "fantasies" lol). Let's see, UGA was beating
Bama in the 4th qtr and lost a nail-biter again, while OU was curb-stomped bell
to bell (Bama was up 28-0 before OU even found a pulse)...but to U that suggests
the CFP got it right? Sound analysis as always. The only "fraud" is the
Pac12 champion who couldn't beat our 11th place team, but beat U twice!
Ouch!Now that we're done with the
"niceties"...let's try and stick to the point, shall we? U
can't prove a 2-loss SEC team would NEVER get in over a 1-loss Pac team. So
it is possible. So why are U still arguing?P.S.- Thanks for pointing
out what I already said, no 2 loss team has ever made it...but it is POSSIBLE
(it's almost happened twice now- AUB & UGA). It used to be that no
freshman had ever won a HT...no team down 3-0 won a playoff series...need I go
on? Saying something so plausible is impossible is just nonsense...move on.
Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJune 21, 2019 10:11 a.m.ute-mythologist:"Maybe they were just unmotivated to play in the
Sugar Plum bowl after losing a CFP berth."Good to see U are
capable of answering your own question. Everyone expressed concern and
frustration leading up to that game because it was a let-down. It's hard to
get up for a game when U expected to play with the best (ask any coach). And
please save your breath about UGA vs HI in '07...I think everyone can agree
that HI isn't TX. HI was the biggest pretender of the BCS era.----------------SMHIn 2014, TCU expected to play with
the best.Peach Bowl:11-1 TCU 429-4 Mississippi 3Again, 2018 UGA was a fraud. Making excuses doesn't change that
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT"Is it possible that a 2 loss
SEC/B10 team gets a CFP berth over a 1 loss PAC-12 Champion? Not according to
history:"...then U proceed to lay out a case that isn't
reflective at all of the parameters I gave for a situation where it could be
possible. None of your examples had SOS in the top 10 (UGA last year), neither
Penn State, Michigan, or Miss St lost both games to top 10 competition ((UGA
again last year). And then U use a whole 2 years of history to suggest it
isn't possible? Lol------------Where do you want
your SOS trophy mailed to?My examples used actual data points. Your
parameters are from your fantasies.In the BCS/CFP era, no 2 loss team was
yet to ever been given a title game/playoff berth.The CFP got it
right, 2018 UGA was a fraud it didn't deserve a CFP berth as proven by them
losing to 9-4 Texas.
ute-mythologist:"Maybe they were just unmotivated to play in the Sugar
Plum bowl after losing a CFP berth."Good to see U are capable of
answering your own question. Everyone expressed concern and frustration leading
up to that game because it was a let-down. It's hard to get up for a game
when U expected to play with the best (ask any coach). And please save your
breath about UGA vs HI in '07...I think everyone can agree that HI
isn't TX. HI was the biggest pretender of the BCS era."Is
it possible that a 2 loss SEC/B10 team gets a CFP berth over a 1 loss PAC-12
Champion? Not according to history:"...then U proceed to lay out
a case that isn't reflective at all of the parameters I gave for a
situation where it could be possible. None of your examples had SOS in the top
10 (UGA last year), neither Penn State, Michigan, or Miss St lost both games to
top 10 competition ((UGA again last year). And then U use a whole 2 years of
history to suggest it isn't possible? LolAnd FWIW I said it was
possible. Did I say "probable", "most-likely", "sure
Only 1 team ever, who wasn't a conf. champ, made the CFP. It was Bama and
they won the title that season. UGA doens't make it if not a
champ. And a 2 loss SEC champ definitely makes it. A 2 loss B1G champ
won't make it over a 1 loss PAC12 champ. Period.Kirk Herstreit
isn't on the CFP committee. He is welcome to his opinion but they have
final say.And have they ever had a 2 loss team in the CFP? Ever?The PAC12 isn't even though of as the worst P5 conf. The ACC is
overall. They just happen to have Clemson, who is very good.
@coug-with-a-team-bI think it's true that no SEC/B1G team with
2 losses gets in over an undefeated Pac team...but a 1-loss Pac team?
That's possible. Depends on who the SEC/B1G team is, their SOS, and who
they lost to. If a 1-loss 30th SOS Pac team is up against O$U, UGA, Michigan,
LSU, etc, with SOS in the top 10 and losses to top 10 competition? I could see
them getting in over the Pac (sans USC). Many (including Kirk Herbstreit) argued
for just that with UGA over OU just last year (and OU's SOS was 12, not 30s
like U will probably be. So it's definitely possible.-----Didn't 11-2 Georgia prove that they didn't deserve a CFP berth
by losing to 9-4 Texas?Maybe they were just unmotivated to play in
the Sugar Plum bowl after losing a CFP berth.Is it possible that a 2
loss SEC/B10 team gets a CFP berth over a 1 loss PAC-12 Champion?Not
according to history:2016 #4 11-1 Washington 53 SOS#5
11-2 Penn State 34 SOS#6 10-2 Michigan 43 SOS2014 #2
11-1 Oregon 20 SOS#7 10-2 Mississippi State 17 SOS
“If BYU starts winning 9+ games against these schedules”You’re joking, right?byu sits at 5-13 against PAC-12
opponents, never beating one at or above .500.....They’ll move to 5-16
this year, since all 3 are against opponents expected to finish the year w/a
winning record &, as stated, byu doesn’t ever beat that sort.9+?BwhahahahaGo Utes!
He doesn't get it.A group of people rank the teams based on
whatever they feel like and then they select 4 teams for a playoff, which has
always shown heavy east coast bias.Unless NV is actually the entire
CFP comitee I'm not sure how he's so sure of his convictions.
Navel:"Wrong! While it's possible that a 1-loss SEC/BigTen team
gets into the CFP, it's NOT possible that one of those teams would ever
bump an undefeated Pac-12 Champion out."And where in my post did
I say that a 1-loss SEC/B1G team would get in over an undefeated Pac champion?
Go ahead and show us, take your time..."It can't be stated
any plainer than that."I agree, it can't. U accuse me of
being wrong for saying something I never said...and it's plain for everyone
to see. And you accuse others of strawman? They should put your post next to the
word as the quintessential example. LolAnd FWIW I relish your
comments that reveal your utter frenzy over me being a Dawg! Woof! Haha
@ Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA - June 19, 2019 11:46 a.m. - "You’re
.blah, blah, blah, blah......How lucky you all
are to have such awesome big brothers!"-----Big
brother? I don't know what you're talking about. MY big brother is a
junior high history teacher in Wood Cross.Go Cougars!
CougsnTeamB:"I think it's true that no SEC/B1G team with 2
losses gets in over an undefeated Pac team...but a 1-loss Pac team? That's
possible."Wrong! While it's possible that a 1-loss
SEC/BigTen team gets into the CFP, it's NOT possible that one of those
teams would ever bump an undefeated Pac-12 Champion out. Again NOT possible.
An undefeated Pac-12 Champion will NEVER finish lower than 4th in the final CFP
poll. Never.Not even once.It can't be
stated any plainer than that.Have fun being a "midmajor
forever" who's so embarrassed by his team that he has to desperately
glom onto some other program, from a relevant P5 league.
one liner:"Are you suggesting that it's an automatic if
Utah wins the PAC and goes perfect?"Yeah. What part of "If
Utah goes undefeated in the regular season, then wins the Pac-12 Conference
Championship game......the Utes WILL receive a bid to the College Football
Playoff. Guaranteed! Period," was too hard for you to understand? I
couldn't have said it any plainer than that."It's not
a lock if Utah goes undefeated."Wrong little bro. It is an
ABSOLUTE LOCK if Utah goes undefeated. It's a lock if ANY P5 school
finishes the regular season undefeated, and then wins their title game. Just
because YOUR WACish and midmajory, small-ball team can't get in, that
doesn't mean that your P5 big brother on the hill can't.#TruthBomb
Top of the world:"Sooner Ute, I put a 'like' on that
comment. I think you supported your view very well."SoonerUte
usually does, it's why I respect his opinion even when we don't
necessarily agree, and even though he's OU (don't hate them either,
just don't like that they flipped Haselwood).ArizonaUte:"It's very, very rare for a 2 loss team to make it...The only one
that could is the SEC and even then, if they aren't a champ, they
aren't getting in over a 0 or 1 loss PAC12 champ."First,
it's not just "rare" it's unprecedented...never happened, YET.
I like the discussion @one-liner is having with U and I agree with U
partially. I think it's true that no SEC/B1G team with 2 losses gets in
over an undefeated Pac team...but a 1-loss Pac team? That's possible.
Depends on who the SEC/B1G team is, their SOS, and who they lost to. If a 1-loss
30th SOS Pac team is up against O$U, UGA, Michigan, LSU, etc, with SOS in the
top 10 and losses to top 10 competition? I could see them getting in over the
Pac (sans USC). Many (including Kirk Herbstreit) argued for just that with UGA
over OU just last year (and OU's SOS was 12, not 30s like U will probably
be. So it's definitely possible.
UteBusters: "U at Ute nation are laughable in your complete obsession with
all things BYU."And your screen name is???? And when is the
last time BYU-P "busted" any Utes?
The whY has Khyris Tonga on the on the D-line and injured Isaiah Kaufusi at
linebacker and everyone else are unequivocal scrubs at best........and ZERO
depth on that defense. The whY offense has an injured QB that hasn't beaten
anyone, a HORRIFIC O-line, no playmakers other than Marshmallow Matt Bushman
that is so out of shape it is a "TRUE" crime.......no depth or speed to
even remotely mention.Good luck YBu-Provo!
Reading all the comments dissing the UTES chances because their schedule is
soft. Only brings smiles to my face. These same "experts" would be
extolling the schedule if their favorite Provo team was substituted for the
UTES! Utah has zero control over who it plays in conference and the
status of those programs. Nor does it have control over who from the North
rotate on to its schedule. All the UTES can do is beat whoever their opponent
is. Then all is up to the selection committee and all the computerized ranking
services. If the UTES play up to expectations and avoid injuries to key
players, then this year will be a special year!! Of one thing UTES
can be sure of is that their first opponent is not going to help the difficulty
level of their schedule this year. Coming off a poor recruiting year, with a
quarterback who has yet to test his surgically repaired shoulder, with no real
run threat and a defense that has yet to prove it can beat a P5 opponent, our
little brothers will need yet again help from ESPN to secure a third tier bowl
game like last year.
The last 3 powderpuff opponents are for "bowl practice"????If you need three games against Liberty, UMass and Bo Diddley Tech to fine
tune you for the Famous Potato Bowl, something is wrong.
top of the world "remember the guys down south work just as hard. Hope you
give them a little love this season."Really not picking on them. I
believe one of the great short comings of independence, is no path to better
bowls. People assume there must be, because other teams have a path. Undefeated P5 and G5 schools know they're going someplace good.
Undefeated BYU? No guarantees. Either Tom Holmoe forgot to negotiate a path,
or (more likely) the CFP didn't want to make a "BYU rule".They don't give the best teams the best bowl games. Bowls have
agreements and contracts. NY6 sounds like a lot -- 12 teams, right? Except 2
NY6 Bowls are used in the playoffs. 3 NY6 bowls have contracted match ups (Rose
Bowl, Orange, Sugar). That only leaves one bowl game -- this year, the Cotton
-- to host the top G5 school vs an at large P5.To get the Cotton,
either BYU is declared G5, or a P5 has to graciously step aside. And give up
NY6 money? Not likely.
I always have a hard time deciding which I like best, a USU win, a BYU win, or a
Sooner Ute, I put a 'like' on that comment. I think you supported
your view very well. It's good to be a Ute voice but remember the guys
down south work just as hard, they have the same dreams and have the same
goals...win games. Hope you give them a little love this season. As for me, I
will be especially pulling for the Utah defense. Give the new coordinator as
much help as possible. He's probably a sharp coach, but it takes a little
time to get all of the pieces in the right place. As of now, there is only one
team I very much want to win against the Utes. That, of course, is the Y. Then
there is the WSU game (in SLC this year), a school I attended. Then there is
the Husky game, a school I rooted for for over half a century, being a Seattle
boy at birth and loyal to the Huskies thereafter.I don't think
the Utes will lose three games this season. It's very possible they
won't lose any. But those are the three opponents I will be rooting for.
Frankly, I don't see the Utes losing any of those three games. I'll
be shocked if the WSU Cougars win in SLC. The Huskies are rebuilding while the
Utes are loaded. And the Y...I hope we don't get blown off the field.
one liner - Dallas, TX "This year BYU actually would have a chance if the
stars aligned"The biggest challenge is nobody knows how the committee
views BYU, since they've never been ranked in that poll. If they view BYU
as G5, then we know how that ends. UCF could only earn a #8 spot after a 25
game winning streak. At a time when everyone is trying to impress
the committee, BYU showcases Liberty, Idaho State, UMass, and SDSU. As you say,
the CFP is rigged to favor P5, and BYU's November schedule is enough for
the committee to look away. Long gone are days of 1984 when a good record got
you a good bowl game. BYU goes to Hawaii, 6-6 or 12-0.
@one liner - Dallas, TXMy counter to your argument is that Clemson
is the ONLY good team, by most any metric, in the ACC. The PAC12 is
ranked higher than the ACC overall. The ACC is terrible And even in yrs.
Clemson loses a game, they are in. Because individually they are good.It's very, very rare for a 2 loss team to make it and a 2 loss team who
isn't a CC won't make it when there is a 1 loss CC. Period.It's a big stretch to suggest a 2 loss team from the Big10 would make it
in over a 1 loss PAC12 champ. The Big10 haven't made it every yr. either.
The only one that could is the SEC and even then, if they aren't a champ,
they aren't getting in over a 0 or 1 loss PAC12 champ.If they
all have 1 loss, I see your point. But every time the PAC12 has had a 1 loss
champ, they have made it. And we don't know how bad the PAC 12
will actually be this yr. They should be better than last yr. Some 2nd yr.
coaches, USC with more experience, Oregon was improved last yr. and is the
favorite in the North. Cal had a great defense last yr. If they can
improve offensively they could be good.
@oneFor example, in a blue world replace Utah with BYU in the PAC
and this year BYU would be expected to finish 2nd only to USC, which is
abnormal, and it's not saying how good BYU is, it's telling of how
soft the PAC is.------The same BYU that while playing
only 4 P5 teams is expected to win 5 to 7 games this season?The same
BYU that has 0 wins vs P12 teams with 6+ wins and is 4-5 vs teams with 5 or less
wins?That BYU would be picked 2nd in the South?SMH
Zona,Highly probable if Utah is perfect, but not a lock. It depends
on those around you.I personally think that Utah wins the PAC-S
again but probably not the PAC, let's say that Utah wins the PAC with a
single loss. I think that a 2 loss Big10 or SEC team would beat a single loss
Utah team. The reason I think so is the reason I think Utah wins the PAC-S -
lack of hard competition this year. Utah is expected to win because Utah has
some advantages and the other teams don't.For example, in a
blue world replace Utah with BYU in the PAC and this year BYU would be expected
to finish 2nd only to USC, which is abnormal, and it's not saying how good
BYU is, it's telling of how soft the PAC is.For that reason,
even if Utah is perfect there will be some grumblings, not 1984 style but sort
of the same thing in a softer tone.The rule is that everybody votes,
and they watch good games, and if the PAC is soft, that weakens the glory of
their best team.A lot of "ifs" for any scenario - but
it's certainly probable for Utah if they are perfect, and I'd venture
to say improbable in any other scenario because the CFP favors eastern time zone
A 13-0 Utes football team won’t go to the CFP because they would have
payed in a weak conference. No worries the Utes will start 0-1. Go Cougs!
@one liner - Dallas, TXUnless there are 5 CC teams who are
undefeated, any undefeated CC will automatically be in the CFP. It's not a
rule but it's reality.Last yr. was the 1st time ever and Bama
and Clemson were those teams. Big if.....but if Utah goes
undefeated as CC, they WILL be in the CFP. It's not a question. I'd
submit that a 1 loss Utah CC team makes it too.Those are both hard
to do. But IF it happened, they would be in. Again, big if.
@VariedHue - Logan, UTIt's really just the SEC and specifically
Bama and Georgia. A 1 loss PAC12 conf. champ makes it in any other scenario.
And a 2 loss Georgia who is a runner up, doesn't get in over a 1 loss PAC12
champ. Every yr. the PAC 12 has had that, they have been in the CFP.
It's good to see a lot of hope in fans of the various teams in June but do
any U or Y fans really think their teams will go undefeated. What
you may want to really talk about is how will a 1 loss PAC-12 champion compares
to a 2 loss SEC, ACC, or Big10 championship game loser.
Navel,Are you suggesting that it's an automatic if Utah wins
the PAC and goes perfect?Both of those criteria, almost certainly
Utah would go to the CFP. Where you lose others is your arrogance in making it
clear when even under the most ideal (and improbable) circumstances you are
stating a rule that isn't a rule.PAC South this year. USC is
rebuilding and not so dangerous, UCLA is rebuilding and not dangerous. ASU
could nip at the Utes ankles, Arizona isn't much to write about, nor is
Colorado. You have 3 other PAC games in OrSU, Cal, and Washington, only one of
which gets respect and they have some major gaps to fill also. OCC with BYU,
Idaho State and Northern IL, none of whom you grant any respect to. So win out
and who did you beat?It's not a lock if Utah goes undefeated.
Utah isn't a big name, nor is BYU, which is why you choose to pump yourself
up here rather then looking at reality.I suppose you might actually
know how they CFP works like the rest of us do - so have some honesty and drop
the hubris - Utah stands a very high chance in a perfect world, but it's
not a lock even if they go undefeated. It would be nice to see any
PAC team make it in again!
ThunderingHerdDrumline,It could be like Texas where they still wince
a bit when they hear the name "Taysom". In which case church members
win respect.It could be like LSU when e didn't cross the 50, in
which case church members earn sympathy.In either case, I think the
game will be a good one, I'm probably going to go to it, should be a good
I believe that 2022 game at Arkansas should be reconsidered. Members of the
church are still physically assaulted just for being members of the church
there. Playing a game there is a mistake.
There sure are a lot of those "uneducated" fans mendenmidmajor was
talking about posting here, so let me be crystal clear here...If
Utah goes undefeated in the regular season, then wins the Pac-12 Conference
Championship game......the Utes WILL receive a bid to the College
Football Playoff. Guaranteed! Period.Utah plays in a
"power" league now. There are 4 teams who will play in the CFP. Can
any naysaying indy-WACer out there cite when was the last time more than 5
"power" league teams finished their regular season undefeated, then won
their conference championship game......and DIDN'T finish in
the Top 4?No. You can't. Because it never happened. An
undefeated Utah team is a LOCK for the CFP!On the flip side, and
undefeated indy-WAC team is a LOCK......for the Hawai'i Bowl.
uteBusters:What are you whining about? All I'm doing is
showing my support for ybU-p's program! Just ask BleedCougarBlue!
Don't you want that? Don't you want your big brother on the hill to
lend you all our support by exposing your lies and weaknesses? Why can't
you just be grateful? You should be thanking us.What an classless,
ungrateful indy-WACer. Shame on you.
"When Y fans want to claim the caliber of their degrees to be on par with
the Ivy League's, Ute Nation will show our support by pointing out how the
3 most most-widely read university rankings in the world don't even put
them on par with the Univ. of Utah"Such eloquence - and not one
bit of inferiority needing to go to the #3 to avoid feeling like the #2.
I'm in awe my friend!Your logic does indeed prove that BYU and
Utah aren't on par in terms of education - well done!
Naval VetU at Ute nation are laughable in your complete obsession
with all things BYU.It's impossible for our little brothers to
ever be satisfied with any accomplishment without first making a comparison to
You’re welcome BleedCougarBlue! We of Ute Nation will continue to show
our support of your program by exposing the dubious claims to all out lies of
cougar nation. When Y fans want to invent high Nielsen Ratings for
their teams, Ute Nation will show our support by posting the REAL numbers, which
would be low. You're welcome. When Y fans want to invent
$10-15 million ESPN contract payouts, Ute Nation will show our support by
quoting ESPN themselves, stating they only give you $4 million. You're
welcome.When Y fans want to claim the caliber of their degrees to be
on par with the Ivy League's, Ute Nation will show our support by pointing
out how the 3 most most-widely read university rankings in the world don't
even put them on par with the Univ. of Utah. You're welcome.When Y fans want to claim that their fans crush the gates at all their
roadies, Ute Nation will show our support contrarily by pointing out the exact
number of fans who'd actually attended, and then follow that up by exposing
your inability to even crush the gates at LES. Or at least in games where Utah
doesn't play in. You are SO welcome!How lucky you all are to
have such awesome big brothers!
Nobody outside of an eastern time zone get's the nod for the CFP.Some years BYU has no chance, they'd basically have to go back to back
perfect seasons or finish in the top 10. This year BYU actually would have a
chance if the stars aligned and if ND didn't blow it last year - which only
hurts the outsider argument. BYU's wins would need to be big against the
major teams and those teams would have to do well. I'll conceded that BYU
can't do it without outside help.Utah would get a lot of
consideration, however Utah is far from a lock, it's heavily biased and a
perfect Utah could easily sit out - to a lesser degree Utah depends on other
teams.The CFP game is rigged to favor the 3 most eastern conferences
and throw enough scraps to the BigXII and the PAC to allow it's own
survival. Spots 1, 2, and 3 all go to 3 P3 conferences with spot #4 going to
whomever from the P5 they need to in order to keep their monopoly alive without
revolt.Lloyd Christmas would reply about BYU's chances "so
you're saying there's a chance!" and I'd agree, a very tiny
chance with Utah certainly not a lock but in envious position especially this
ArizonaUte...I appreciated your comments up until the final silly remark. Being
Indy does, indeed, have huge drawbacks. Please don't think the Y
wouldn't much rather be in a conference such as the PAC. You can gloat all
you want about where you are, it is what it is. As to the remark about the Y
playing a college exhibition schedule...well, let me put it this way, do you not
believe the so-called board of experts who decide who will be in the CFP take
into consideration every team the final six teams played? Including the marginal
programs such as BYU, UCF, the Arizona schools, the lower tier Big 10 schools,
Utah, Boise and on and on? BYU plays as tough a schedule as they can find
agreements for, and it is most certainly not merely one of exhibition caliber.
Don't ruin a good comment with bias-driven drivel.I do
appreciate one aspect of one of your comments...the Y better start winning more
games against the better, established programs, teams that actually win their
conferences and are mainstays year after year. There is only one PAC this season
that has any chance of getting into the championship picture...that is Utah.
This could be a very, unusually good year for the Utes.
TomahawkRed...very good comment. I'm adding my positive vote for it.
Not sure why any pac 10.2 team would be listed as a strong team when they rank
lowest of all 5 so called power conferences.Pac is a joke as should no
longer be considered a p5.
Arizona Ute"If Utah goes undefeated in a season, winning the CCG
(and I am not saying they will) they are in the CFP, without doubt."You're really saying that an undefeated Utah would be a lock to get
in the CFP over an undefeated Ohio St or Michigan, an undefeated Clemson or
Florida St or Miami, an undefeated Texas or Oklahoma, an undefeated Alabama or
Georgia or Florida or LSU, and an undefeated Notre Dame?The truth
is, there's not a single team on that list that Utah would get the nod over
if both teams were undefeated.
@Lone*Star - Austin, TX"Utah fans have been saying that for
nearly a decade."-------------------------It's
because it's true. Utah CAN make it. There is a path to get there.BYU has no path to make it. Period. It's literally impossible for
BYU to make it.If Utah goes undefeated in a season, winning the CCG
(and I am not saying they will) they are in the CFP, without doubt.If BYU goes undefeated for 5+ yrs. they wouldn't ever make the CFP and in
most yrs. not make a NY6 bowl.It's about access. BYU has no
access, even if they win like they have never won before.
Regards the statement in article that this may be the toughest schedule ever.
Look back at the year after the 84 championship and where those teams ranked at
the end of 84. Great schedule this year but some of these teams are in recovery
mode, such as Tennessee, one of my favorites in the glory years. Washington had
ended up 84 as #2 and some #1. Boston College and UCLA were top 10 and I do not
remember the other. Did lose to UCLA by 3 and to Ohio State in the bowl game by
3. But that was the year UTEP gained notoriety for innovative use of sideline
BleedCougarBlue - Enid, OKJune 18, 2019 4:33 p.m.Gee, I am
shocked....9 out of the first 15 comments are from BYU haters. So
here ya go, people, you've earned it:"We at Cougar Nation
thank you for your undivided attention. However, we are sad to inform you that
we are no longer accepting applications for membership into the elite Cougar
Club...Best Wishes - Cougar Nation"Go Cougars!-----Hahaha! What makes you think we're
interested in your "elite" cougar club membership?Was it the
Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CAJune 18, 2019 3:17 p.m.utemythology
How about U focus on not running away from Utah State?BYU’s tiny, fickle fanbase will still outdraw Utah for every single home
game.-----Unlike Weber State, your Team A couldn't
even sell out your 3,000 allocated tickets to your Super Bowl game at RES last
ArizonaUte “Utah at least has a chance to go/make the CFP.
Many national pundits are predicting the Rose Bowl this yr.”yawnUtah fans have been saying that for nearly a decade.
@Lone*Star - Austin, TXUtah at least has a chance to go/make the
CFP. Many national pundits are predicting the Rose Bowl this yr. It's impossible for BYU to make the CFP. Literally, that is what
Independence brings to BYU.UCF went undefeated twice in a row and
didn't make it. They are in a G5 conf. and the highest ranked G5 has an
auto bid to a NY6 bowl.If BYU goes undefeated, they may not make a
NY6 bowl. For real. They have no auto bid, and no bowl ties to any of those
bowls, etc. BYU could go undefeated 5 yrs in a row and would NOT
make the CFP.They have no conf. to be champion of, they don't
play a minimum of 9, P5 opponents in any season, past or future, and their SOS
is very pedestrian.The committee would always look at what Oklahoma,
Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, USC, Penn State, Washington, Utah,
Oregon, Florida, Clemson, etc, would have done v. BYU's schedule. And BYU would never get the sympathy vote to make the CFP. BYU now plays exhibition college football. Sorry, it's true.
the fake ND“BYU isn't going away and they are also not
going to the CFP.”Neither is Utah.
by U s football schedule has all the coherence and continuity of a K-Mart blue
light special, i.e., a made up cobbled together mess. Inpedence is a failure.
On the other hand, go ahead, keep pretending.
Yeah the next few schedules ramp up a tad in difficulty, but byu sure better
hope they start winning some of those games.Lining up good schedules
doesn't do a thing in the world for you if you lose them all. In fact, that would be regression. Lots of pressure on byu this
season. Will be fun to watch.
A "biggie size chunk" of the PAC 12?Three games?Someone ought to tell Bradley what "biggie size" means
BJMoose,Where can I find the video and transcripts from the Pac 12 TV
rights negotiations? It was all done out in the open correct?
HS Sports Dude, how can you say the upcoming schedule is not legit? And how
would you change it were you in a position to do so? Would you have a bunch of
major players scheduled for later in the year? Let me clue you in on
something...the major players can't schedule the Y later in the year
because they are in the thick of conference and conference playoff games. Do
you not think, given all of the circumstances, and refraining from
viewing/answering this question with the eyes of a probable Ute fan (good on you
if you are) that this is a pretty challenging and very legit schedule? Utah,
Tenn, USC, Wash, Boise...all pretty good programs over the years. Throw in USU
(the team Utah won't play) at the Logan site and then two supposedly easy
games, one away at USF and the other away at Toledo (either one of these teams
could take down most PAC teams at home (that from a PAC fan for about 70 years,
given that I was rooting for them at 10 years of age). Yes, the tail end is not
great, but it's no fault of the Y...it comes with the territory of being
indy.Not legit? I am glad I don't wear blinders when I look at
the other programs in the great state of Utah.
BYU isn't going away and they are also not going to the CFP. But neither
is Idaho State, Liberty, Toledo or UMASS. So, they have a lot in common.
Playing 4 P5 Schools in a year is a MEGA Schedule. Give me a break. Utah plays
9. Any P5 will play a minimum of 8.Take a good look at the schedule.
It is not legit at all.
Whatever helps you sleep at night!!
Utah-Hawaii Alum...everything that you offered is totally false. Come on, man.
Lend some truth to what you say about the school you dislike so much. You lose
credibility with your input. I love the schedule this season, as
well as the seasons on the near horizon. I would rather be in the PAC (I think
most Y fans would) but I like what we have over membership in the Mt West. And
I don't think those few (very few) Ute fans who side with the Aggies as a
way to show their bias have any room to talk when they continually avoid playing
Utah State. Play they or find another avenue to blow off steam. We'll do
better this year, though I won't go so far as to say we'll have a
substantial change in the win-loss column. This will be a tough season. I, for
one, will not look past Toledo or UMass when those games arrive, let alone the
games against the big-time programs. Regarding our first game, there
is a reason the Utes have such a strikingly good bowl record during the past
decade. The reason is Coach Whit. When he has time he is all but unbeatable.
And guess what, he has all summer to prepare for game number one. And despite
some comments, that is one he wants, badly.
Holmoe isn't at Media Day and the Ute trolls seem to know why and want to
critizise him. I suspect the trolls have no clue what he was doing. And the
coaches and others can perfectly well answer questions about the football
team.A troll says there is and never was a rivalry between the Utes and
the Cougs? Gee, I did not know that!Playing for a conference championship
is a big deal. BYU has been there and done that. A lot!! But can Independence
suceed? I LIKE that independence allows the Cougs to play all over the country
and to play teams that they would not likely to have been able to schedule. BYU
is far, far from being a Nortre Dame. But Nortre Dame has shown what can be
done in Independence and the excitement that can happen when they come to town.
But it comes down to winning. If BYU starts winning 9+ games against these
schedules, then they will approach the ND model and have a chance to do some
very good things in the future.
To Pugman - Tremonton, UT concerning your comment:“Oh look
honey....another BYU article with the Ute masses chiming in. See son......this
is what it looks like when you have no life.”It appears your
life consists of reading Utah fans comments on a BYU article. At least the Ute
fans are having a little fun ‘talking’ some harmless trash.
Hey Ute fans, I thought you guys were "so over BYU"???Whatever happened with: "We don't even think about BYU
anymore." "BY - who?" "Our new and
improved main rival is Colorado. The Holy War is now a relic of the past."
You keep saying the BYU-Utah rivalry is dead and buried, but you
keep proving the exact opposite.
Definitely a rah-rah homer article but nothing wrong with that. It was written
for their fanbase. I am MOST curious, however, on the holdup on the supposed new
ESPN contract. It appears to me their are going ons behind the scenes that
aren’t being reported.
Gee, I am shocked....9 out of the first 15 comments are from BYU
haters. So here ya go, people, you've earned it:"We at
Cougar Nation thank you for your undivided attention. However, we are sad to
inform you that we are no longer accepting applications for membership into the
elite Cougar Club. This is America, though, and you are free to respond with
another post to tell us all how little you care about us.Best Wishes
- Cougar Nation"Go Cougars!
Some eastern broadcasters? Or simply BYU fans upset they got left out in the
cold. Why didn't Holmoe announce what you claimed today by showing the
evidence by these so called eastern broadcasters. That's right Holmoe
didn't even show up today to do his job.
As someone who loves to root against BYU, this fall is going to be a joy.
@ Utah-Hawaii Alum WhY (sic) does the Rockmonster claim Boise State
as a "rival?" BSU has stated many times that YBu (sic) is no rival of
theirs, not even a thought in fact. We Utes have NEVER considered BYu (sic) a
"rival" in football EVER, never will!!!!! (sic) Utah State nowadays
consider (sic) BYu (sic) a "rival" and will cream them in Logan this
season.Jealousy morphed into anger...lolAmazing!Absolutely nothing in your snarky rant, remotely resembles the Truth.Chill baby...Chill..
The major college contenders are always looking for a punching bag opponent...
Oh look honey....another BYU article with the Ute masses chiming in. See
son......this is what it looks like when you have no life.
I hope the indy thing makes you money, cause it's got to suck for fans. The
reality for byu-p football fans for the foreseeable future is go 2-2 (at best)
over your first 4 against good P5 opponents, then finish out the rest of your
schedule with nothing more to play for other than a couple rivalry games against
USU and BSU. I can't imagine sitting in the cold playing Idaho St or UMASS
for literally nothing. I'm not saying the MWC is the greatest, but fighting
for that spot in the MWC championship game and a possible NY6 bowl game is great
for us Aggie fans. Enjoy the bed you've made.
@uteology"How about you focus on beating Utah State?"Utah State? I think for starters they should focus on beating UMASS!
utemythology How about U focus on not running away from Utah
State?BYU’s tiny, fickle fanbase will still outdraw Utah for
every single home game.
"tiny fickle fan base??" Really Utah fan? You stadium holds how
many??? BYU had 65,000 when Rice Eccles still had wood benches. Rice Eccles
was still a small stadium until the 2002 Olympics came and helped them renovate.
It was the olympics, not some overwhelming fan base demanding more seating. I
remember the days when the only reason Rice Eccles sold out was because of the
BYU fans. A few years ago when BYU played Idaho State for the last game of the
season in snow, we still had 45,000 fans. That would have sold out Rice Eccles.
Whenever I find a "life-long" U fan, I always say, "life-long since
2004". ESPN would not sign the contract or pay the money for a
"tiny-fickle fan base". Money talks. "It's a nice little
stadium" Look it up.
“you can’t accuse Holmoe of hiding.“One question,
Brad. Did you write that before, or after, Holmoe hid from his own
Holmoe “It looks like this time around, maybe we have some primary (bowl)
games, that will be known. But there's some nuances that we could try to
get out of — maybe some of those primaries — and if we have an
opportunity, to get into a secondary bowl.”Brad Rock "His point
is that if one of the power conferences can’t fill a slot at a larger
bowl, BYU might slip in."Kind of a weird thing, but when a power
conference can't fill a bowl slot, they aren't giving up their big
money money bowls. Instead they give up their bottom feeder bowl -- ACC
Birmingham Bowl, Big Ten First Responders Bowl, Big 12 Armed Forces Bowl, PAC 12
Cheez-It Bowl, SEC Independence Bowl. That isn't much different than
BYU's choices today. Don't expect BYU to swap in for the Alamo Bowl,
the Outback Bowl, or others. Those are contractually obligated to the P5s. Out
of ESPN's control.
Holmoe: “...we try to put a great team on the field. You talk about top 25
— that's where it used to be, we used to start at top 20. And if you
could get into the top 15 or the top 10, then at one point, you can end up No. 1
— which we did in ‘84.-------Top 25, Top 10,
#1?How about you focus on beating Utah State?
Some eastern sportscasters have speculated that with ESPN losing so many
customers to other media that they won't be able to renew the huge
contracts they have with the P5 conferences. In addition, due to the dynamics
of supply and demand,there will be a major shake up in conference alignments,
possibly creating one major conference.Nothing ever stays the same
for ever, but for BYU to be in any discussion involving major changes to the
national football scene, they simply must win games. After their last bowl
game, it should be crystal clear to the BYU coaches that the passing game must
become a much bigger part of their game plans. In a game there may
be 5 or 6 running plays that go for more than 10 yards. I the last bowl game
BYU averaged just over 4 yards per run play, whereas they averaged 18 yards per
pass play. Since they only had 19 pass plays, that means that more than half of
their pass plays went for more than 10 yards. Moving the ball up and down the
field is the name of the game, and the pass does it better than anything else.
WhY does the Rockmonster claim Boise State as a "rival?" BSU has stated
many times that YBu is no rival of theirs, not even a thought in fact. We Utes
have NEVER considered BYu a "rival" in football EVER, never will!!!!!
Utah State nowadays consider BYu a "rival" and will cream them in Logan
Yeah, 4 P-5 teams is a "TRUE" test for BYu in 2019. But, 2020 and2021
will be sorta close to a "big boy schedule" and the whY will get
absolutely CREAMED.....and their tiny fickle fanbase won't show up to view