Brad Rock: Going away from a conference didn't mean going away for BYU, as its flashiest schedule ever awaits

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  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    June 22, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    Look, not everyone is upset with Tolmoe for keeping BYU an independent team. I for one, have loved watching BYU play a smorgasbord of teams over the years. They can keep doing this till the cows come home as far as I am concerned.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 10:43 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "2017 Auburn was #2 in Week 13, not the final poll. They were also a fraud and didn't deserve a CFP berth. They proved it by losing to UCF in the Peach Bowl."

    They were #2 in week 14, not 13, just before the SECCG...they didn't make the CFP because UGA beat them...had nothing to do with UCF or being a "fraud" (did U forget they were the only team to beat the national champion...probably). But honestly, your continual labeling of frauds after the fact is interesting. So is it your assertion then, that every highly-ranked team that lost in a meaningless "also-ran" bowl was a fraud...despite all their success over the entire season?

    If so, congratulations on beating a "fraud" in the pinnacle of your CFB history (2008-09). How sad. And how do we know they were a fraud? "They proved it by losing to (U) in the (Sugar Bowl)". So now, you're biggest accomplishment in your entire history was only because U played a "fraud". Good to know...I never thought much of that fluke either. Lol!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 8:56 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "Let me guess, Auburn was also not motivated in the Peach bowl?"

    Exactly! Lol

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 7:20 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 4:11 p.m.
    Uteology:
    You're asking about AUB? See, this is the frustration...trying to have a discussion with fans that live under the bubble on the hill. Auburn- 2017- 2 losses and ranked #2 in the CFP...they beat UGA in the SECCG which, much as I hate to admit it, was a big possibility going into the 4th qtr, and they're in the playoff.

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    Yes a 2 two loss SEC Champion has a good chance of getting a CFP berth, assuming the other 1 loss CC have a much weaker SOS.

    2017 Auburn was #2 in Week 13, not the final poll. They were also a fraud and didn't deserve a CFP berth. They proved it by losing to UCF in the Peach Bowl.

    Let me guess, Auburn was also not motivated in the Peach bowl?

    SMH

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 4:11 p.m.

    Uteology:
    You're asking about AUB? See, this is the frustration...trying to have a discussion with fans that live under the bubble on the hill. Auburn- 2017- 2 losses and ranked #2 in the CFP...they beat UGA in the SECCG which, much as I hate to admit it, was a big possibility going into the 4th qtr, and they're in the playoff.

    And it's more possible than "fantasy"...stop it. I've given 2 examples where it was pretty darn close. Move on...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    P.S.- Thanks for pointing out what I already said, no 2 loss team has ever made it...but it is POSSIBLE (it's almost happened twice now- AUB & UGA). It used to be that no freshman had ever won a HT...no team down 3-0 won a playoff series...need I go on? Saying something so plausible is impossible is just nonsense...move on.

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    Auburn? When was Auburn ever ranked #5 in the final CFP poll?

    I never said is was impossible, the probability is not zero. But claiming it's possible is fantasy, just like BYU finishing 2nd in State.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 3:27 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 12:23 p.m.
    Uteology:
    Stop maneuvering about and talking about a bowl game that came AFTER the CFP was decided (before that UGA did have a top 10 SOS with both losses against top 10 opponents- those are real data points I used in my parameters, not my "fantasies" lol). Let's see, UGA was beating Bama in the 4th qtr and lost a nail-biter again, while OU was curb-stomped bell to bell (Bama was up 28-0 before OU even found a pulse)...but to U that suggests the CFP got it right? Sound analysis as always. The only "fraud" is the Pac12 champion who couldn't beat our 11th place team, but beat U twice! Ouch!

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    What?

    In 2014, it was CFP season one, 11-1 TCU missed out the playoffs but thumped mighty SEC 9-4 Mississippi in the Peach Bowl.

    * Oklahoma was 1-1 vs Texas, 3 points from undefeated, and got the CFP berth.

    * Georgia got thumped at LSU and against Bama got thumped in the 2nd half 21-7, just like your Team A did at RES (35-7). OUCH!

    2018 Georgia was a fraud and lost to 9-4 Texas to prove it.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 12:23 p.m.

    Uteology:
    Stop maneuvering about and talking about a bowl game that came AFTER the CFP was decided (before that UGA did have a top 10 SOS with both losses against top 10 opponents- those are real data points I used in my parameters, not my "fantasies" lol). Let's see, UGA was beating Bama in the 4th qtr and lost a nail-biter again, while OU was curb-stomped bell to bell (Bama was up 28-0 before OU even found a pulse)...but to U that suggests the CFP got it right? Sound analysis as always. The only "fraud" is the Pac12 champion who couldn't beat our 11th place team, but beat U twice! Ouch!

    Now that we're done with the "niceties"...let's try and stick to the point, shall we? U can't prove a 2-loss SEC team would NEVER get in over a 1-loss Pac team. So it is possible. So why are U still arguing?

    P.S.- Thanks for pointing out what I already said, no 2 loss team has ever made it...but it is POSSIBLE (it's almost happened twice now- AUB & UGA). It used to be that no freshman had ever won a HT...no team down 3-0 won a playoff series...need I go on? Saying something so plausible is impossible is just nonsense...move on.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 10:11 a.m.
    ute-mythologist:
    "Maybe they were just unmotivated to play in the Sugar Plum bowl after losing a CFP berth."

    Good to see U are capable of answering your own question. Everyone expressed concern and frustration leading up to that game because it was a let-down. It's hard to get up for a game when U expected to play with the best (ask any coach). And please save your breath about UGA vs HI in '07...I think everyone can agree that HI isn't TX. HI was the biggest pretender of the BCS era.

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    SMH

    In 2014, TCU expected to play with the best.

    Peach Bowl:
    11-1 TCU 42
    9-4 Mississippi 3

    Again, 2018 UGA was a fraud. Making excuses doesn't change that fact.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    "Is it possible that a 2 loss SEC/B10 team gets a CFP berth over a 1 loss PAC-12 Champion? Not according to history:"

    ...then U proceed to lay out a case that isn't reflective at all of the parameters I gave for a situation where it could be possible. None of your examples had SOS in the top 10 (UGA last year), neither Penn State, Michigan, or Miss St lost both games to top 10 competition ((UGA again last year). And then U use a whole 2 years of history to suggest it isn't possible? Lol

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    Where do you want your SOS trophy mailed to?

    My examples used actual data points. Your parameters are from your fantasies.
    In the BCS/CFP era, no 2 loss team was yet to ever been given a title game/playoff berth.

    The CFP got it right, 2018 UGA was a fraud it didn't deserve a CFP berth as proven by them losing to 9-4 Texas.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    ute-mythologist:
    "Maybe they were just unmotivated to play in the Sugar Plum bowl after losing a CFP berth."

    Good to see U are capable of answering your own question. Everyone expressed concern and frustration leading up to that game because it was a let-down. It's hard to get up for a game when U expected to play with the best (ask any coach). And please save your breath about UGA vs HI in '07...I think everyone can agree that HI isn't TX. HI was the biggest pretender of the BCS era.

    "Is it possible that a 2 loss SEC/B10 team gets a CFP berth over a 1 loss PAC-12 Champion? Not according to history:"

    ...then U proceed to lay out a case that isn't reflective at all of the parameters I gave for a situation where it could be possible. None of your examples had SOS in the top 10 (UGA last year), neither Penn State, Michigan, or Miss St lost both games to top 10 competition ((UGA again last year). And then U use a whole 2 years of history to suggest it isn't possible? Lol

    And FWIW I said it was possible. Did I say "probable", "most-likely", "sure thing"? No

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 21, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    Only 1 team ever, who wasn't a conf. champ, made the CFP. It was Bama and they won the title that season.

    UGA doens't make it if not a champ. And a 2 loss SEC champ definitely makes it. A 2 loss B1G champ won't make it over a 1 loss PAC12 champ. Period.

    Kirk Herstreit isn't on the CFP committee. He is welcome to his opinion but they have final say.

    And have they ever had a 2 loss team in the CFP? Ever?

    The PAC12 isn't even though of as the worst P5 conf. The ACC is overall. They just happen to have Clemson, who is very good.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2019 6:21 a.m.

    @coug-with-a-team-b

    I think it's true that no SEC/B1G team with 2 losses gets in over an undefeated Pac team...but a 1-loss Pac team? That's possible. Depends on who the SEC/B1G team is, their SOS, and who they lost to. If a 1-loss 30th SOS Pac team is up against O$U, UGA, Michigan, LSU, etc, with SOS in the top 10 and losses to top 10 competition? I could see them getting in over the Pac (sans USC). Many (including Kirk Herbstreit) argued for just that with UGA over OU just last year (and OU's SOS was 12, not 30s like U will probably be. So it's definitely possible.

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    Didn't 11-2 Georgia prove that they didn't deserve a CFP berth by losing to 9-4 Texas?

    Maybe they were just unmotivated to play in the Sugar Plum bowl after losing a CFP berth.

    Is it possible that a 2 loss SEC/B10 team gets a CFP berth over a 1 loss PAC-12 Champion?

    Not according to history:

    2016
    #4 11-1 Washington 53 SOS
    #5 11-2 Penn State 34 SOS
    #6 10-2 Michigan 43 SOS

    2014
    #2 11-1 Oregon 20 SOS
    #7 10-2 Mississippi State 17 SOS

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 20, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    “If BYU starts winning 9+ games against these schedules”

    You’re joking, right?

    byu sits at 5-13 against PAC-12 opponents, never beating one at or above .500.....They’ll move to 5-16 this year, since all 3 are against opponents expected to finish the year w/a winning record &, as stated, byu doesn’t ever beat that sort.

    9+?

    Bwhahahaha

    Go Utes!

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 20, 2019 5:09 p.m.

    He doesn't get it.

    A group of people rank the teams based on whatever they feel like and then they select 4 teams for a playoff, which has always shown heavy east coast bias.

    Unless NV is actually the entire CFP comitee I'm not sure how he's so sure of his convictions.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 20, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    Navel:
    "Wrong! While it's possible that a 1-loss SEC/BigTen team gets into the CFP, it's NOT possible that one of those teams would ever bump an undefeated Pac-12 Champion out."

    And where in my post did I say that a 1-loss SEC/B1G team would get in over an undefeated Pac champion? Go ahead and show us, take your time...

    "It can't be stated any plainer than that."

    I agree, it can't. U accuse me of being wrong for saying something I never said...and it's plain for everyone to see. And you accuse others of strawman? They should put your post next to the word as the quintessential example. Lol

    And FWIW I relish your comments that reveal your utter frenzy over me being a Dawg! Woof! Haha

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    June 20, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA - June 19, 2019 11:46 a.m. - "You’re welcome BleedCougarBlue! ….blah, blah, blah, blah......How lucky you all are to have such awesome big brothers!"

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    Big brother? I don't know what you're talking about. MY big brother is a junior high history teacher in Wood Cross.

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 20, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    "I think it's true that no SEC/B1G team with 2 losses gets in over an undefeated Pac team...but a 1-loss Pac team? That's possible."

    Wrong! While it's possible that a 1-loss SEC/BigTen team gets into the CFP, it's NOT possible that one of those teams would ever bump an undefeated Pac-12 Champion out. Again NOT possible. An undefeated Pac-12 Champion will NEVER finish lower than 4th in the final CFP poll.

    Never.

    Not even once.

    It can't be stated any plainer than that.

    Have fun being a "midmajor forever" who's so embarrassed by his team that he has to desperately glom onto some other program, from a relevant P5 league.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 20, 2019 2:08 p.m.

    one liner:

    "Are you suggesting that it's an automatic if Utah wins the PAC and goes perfect?"

    Yeah. What part of "If Utah goes undefeated in the regular season, then wins the Pac-12 Conference Championship game......the Utes WILL receive a bid to the College Football Playoff. Guaranteed! Period," was too hard for you to understand? I couldn't have said it any plainer than that.

    "It's not a lock if Utah goes undefeated."

    Wrong little bro. It is an ABSOLUTE LOCK if Utah goes undefeated. It's a lock if ANY P5 school finishes the regular season undefeated, and then wins their title game. Just because YOUR WACish and midmajory, small-ball team can't get in, that doesn't mean that your P5 big brother on the hill can't.

    #TruthBomb

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 20, 2019 1:06 p.m.

    Top of the world:
    "Sooner Ute, I put a 'like' on that comment. I think you supported your view very well."

    SoonerUte usually does, it's why I respect his opinion even when we don't necessarily agree, and even though he's OU (don't hate them either, just don't like that they flipped Haselwood).

    ArizonaUte:
    "It's very, very rare for a 2 loss team to make it...The only one that could is the SEC and even then, if they aren't a champ, they aren't getting in over a 0 or 1 loss PAC12 champ."

    First, it's not just "rare" it's unprecedented...never happened, YET.

    I like the discussion @one-liner is having with U and I agree with U partially. I think it's true that no SEC/B1G team with 2 losses gets in over an undefeated Pac team...but a 1-loss Pac team? That's possible. Depends on who the SEC/B1G team is, their SOS, and who they lost to. If a 1-loss 30th SOS Pac team is up against O$U, UGA, Michigan, LSU, etc, with SOS in the top 10 and losses to top 10 competition? I could see them getting in over the Pac (sans USC). Many (including Kirk Herbstreit) argued for just that with UGA over OU just last year (and OU's SOS was 12, not 30s like U will probably be. So it's definitely possible.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    UteBusters: "U at Ute nation are laughable in your complete obsession with all things BYU."

    And your screen name is???? And when is the last time BYU-P "busted" any Utes?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 20, 2019 10:42 a.m.

    The whY has Khyris Tonga on the on the D-line and injured Isaiah Kaufusi at linebacker and everyone else are unequivocal scrubs at best........and ZERO depth on that defense. The whY offense has an injured QB that hasn't beaten anyone, a HORRIFIC O-line, no playmakers other than Marshmallow Matt Bushman that is so out of shape it is a "TRUE" crime.......no depth or speed to even remotely mention.

    Good luck YBu-Provo!

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 8:16 a.m.

    Reading all the comments dissing the UTES chances because their schedule is soft. Only brings smiles to my face. These same "experts" would be extolling the schedule if their favorite Provo team was substituted for the UTES!

    Utah has zero control over who it plays in conference and the status of those programs. Nor does it have control over who from the North rotate on to its schedule. All the UTES can do is beat whoever their opponent is. Then all is up to the selection committee and all the computerized ranking services. If the UTES play up to expectations and avoid injuries to key players, then this year will be a special year!!

    Of one thing UTES can be sure of is that their first opponent is not going to help the difficulty level of their schedule this year. Coming off a poor recruiting year, with a quarterback who has yet to test his surgically repaired shoulder, with no real run threat and a defense that has yet to prove it can beat a P5 opponent, our little brothers will need yet again help from ESPN to secure a third tier bowl game like last year.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 20, 2019 3:42 a.m.

    The last 3 powderpuff opponents are for "bowl practice"????

    If you need three games against Liberty, UMass and Bo Diddley Tech to fine tune you for the Famous Potato Bowl, something is wrong.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2019 12:04 a.m.

    top of the world "remember the guys down south work just as hard. Hope you give them a little love this season."
    Really not picking on them. I believe one of the great short comings of independence, is no path to better bowls. People assume there must be, because other teams have a path.

    Undefeated P5 and G5 schools know they're going someplace good. Undefeated BYU? No guarantees. Either Tom Holmoe forgot to negotiate a path, or (more likely) the CFP didn't want to make a "BYU rule".

    They don't give the best teams the best bowl games. Bowls have agreements and contracts. NY6 sounds like a lot -- 12 teams, right? Except 2 NY6 Bowls are used in the playoffs. 3 NY6 bowls have contracted match ups (Rose Bowl, Orange, Sugar). That only leaves one bowl game -- this year, the Cotton -- to host the top G5 school vs an at large P5.

    To get the Cotton, either BYU is declared G5, or a P5 has to graciously step aside. And give up NY6 money? Not likely.

  • BYUSU , 00
    June 19, 2019 8:28 p.m.

    I always have a hard time deciding which I like best, a USU win, a BYU win, or a utah loss.

  • top of the world ,
    June 19, 2019 6:53 p.m.

    Sooner Ute, I put a 'like' on that comment. I think you supported your view very well. It's good to be a Ute voice but remember the guys down south work just as hard, they have the same dreams and have the same goals...win games. Hope you give them a little love this season. As for me, I will be especially pulling for the Utah defense. Give the new coordinator as much help as possible. He's probably a sharp coach, but it takes a little time to get all of the pieces in the right place. As of now, there is only one team I very much want to win against the Utes. That, of course, is the Y. Then there is the WSU game (in SLC this year), a school I attended. Then there is the Husky game, a school I rooted for for over half a century, being a Seattle boy at birth and loyal to the Huskies thereafter.

    I don't think the Utes will lose three games this season. It's very possible they won't lose any. But those are the three opponents I will be rooting for. Frankly, I don't see the Utes losing any of those three games. I'll be shocked if the WSU Cougars win in SLC. The Huskies are rebuilding while the Utes are loaded. And the Y...I hope we don't get blown off the field.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 5:29 p.m.

    one liner - Dallas, TX "This year BYU actually would have a chance if the stars aligned"
    The biggest challenge is nobody knows how the committee views BYU, since they've never been ranked in that poll. If they view BYU as G5, then we know how that ends. UCF could only earn a #8 spot after a 25 game winning streak.

    At a time when everyone is trying to impress the committee, BYU showcases Liberty, Idaho State, UMass, and SDSU. As you say, the CFP is rigged to favor P5, and BYU's November schedule is enough for the committee to look away. Long gone are days of 1984 when a good record got you a good bowl game. BYU goes to Hawaii, 6-6 or 12-0.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 19, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    @one liner - Dallas, TX

    My counter to your argument is that Clemson is the ONLY good team, by most any metric, in the ACC.

    The PAC12 is ranked higher than the ACC overall. The ACC is terrible And even in yrs. Clemson loses a game, they are in. Because individually they are good.

    It's very, very rare for a 2 loss team to make it and a 2 loss team who isn't a CC won't make it when there is a 1 loss CC. Period.

    It's a big stretch to suggest a 2 loss team from the Big10 would make it in over a 1 loss PAC12 champ. The Big10 haven't made it every yr. either. The only one that could is the SEC and even then, if they aren't a champ, they aren't getting in over a 0 or 1 loss PAC12 champ.

    If they all have 1 loss, I see your point. But every time the PAC12 has had a 1 loss champ, they have made it.

    And we don't know how bad the PAC 12 will actually be this yr. They should be better than last yr. Some 2nd yr. coaches, USC with more experience, Oregon was improved last yr. and is the favorite in the North.

    Cal had a great defense last yr. If they can improve offensively they could be good.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 19, 2019 5:16 p.m.

    @one

    For example, in a blue world replace Utah with BYU in the PAC and this year BYU would be expected to finish 2nd only to USC, which is abnormal, and it's not saying how good BYU is, it's telling of how soft the PAC is.

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    The same BYU that while playing only 4 P5 teams is expected to win 5 to 7 games this season?

    The same BYU that has 0 wins vs P12 teams with 6+ wins and is 4-5 vs teams with 5 or less wins?

    That BYU would be picked 2nd in the South?

    SMH

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 3:43 p.m.

    Zona,

    Highly probable if Utah is perfect, but not a lock. It depends on those around you.

    I personally think that Utah wins the PAC-S again but probably not the PAC, let's say that Utah wins the PAC with a single loss. I think that a 2 loss Big10 or SEC team would beat a single loss Utah team. The reason I think so is the reason I think Utah wins the PAC-S - lack of hard competition this year. Utah is expected to win because Utah has some advantages and the other teams don't.

    For example, in a blue world replace Utah with BYU in the PAC and this year BYU would be expected to finish 2nd only to USC, which is abnormal, and it's not saying how good BYU is, it's telling of how soft the PAC is.

    For that reason, even if Utah is perfect there will be some grumblings, not 1984 style but sort of the same thing in a softer tone.

    The rule is that everybody votes, and they watch good games, and if the PAC is soft, that weakens the glory of their best team.

    A lot of "ifs" for any scenario - but it's certainly probable for Utah if they are perfect, and I'd venture to say improbable in any other scenario because the CFP favors eastern time zone legacy teams.

  • blue & white , 00
    June 19, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    A 13-0 Utes football team won’t go to the CFP because they would have payed in a weak conference. No worries the Utes will start 0-1. Go Cougs!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    @one liner - Dallas, TX

    Unless there are 5 CC teams who are undefeated, any undefeated CC will automatically be in the CFP. It's not a rule but it's reality.

    Last yr. was the 1st time ever and Bama and Clemson were those teams.

    Big if.....but if Utah goes undefeated as CC, they WILL be in the CFP. It's not a question. I'd submit that a 1 loss Utah CC team makes it too.

    Those are both hard to do. But IF it happened, they would be in. Again, big if.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:11 p.m.

    @VariedHue - Logan, UT

    It's really just the SEC and specifically Bama and Georgia. A 1 loss PAC12 conf. champ makes it in any other scenario. And a 2 loss Georgia who is a runner up, doesn't get in over a 1 loss PAC12 champ.

    Every yr. the PAC 12 has had that, they have been in the CFP.

  • VariedHue Logan, UT
    June 19, 2019 3:02 p.m.

    It's good to see a lot of hope in fans of the various teams in June but do any U or Y fans really think their teams will go undefeated.

    What you may want to really talk about is how will a 1 loss PAC-12 champion compares to a 2 loss SEC, ACC, or Big10 championship game loser.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 2:45 p.m.

    Navel,

    Are you suggesting that it's an automatic if Utah wins the PAC and goes perfect?

    Both of those criteria, almost certainly Utah would go to the CFP. Where you lose others is your arrogance in making it clear when even under the most ideal (and improbable) circumstances you are stating a rule that isn't a rule.

    PAC South this year. USC is rebuilding and not so dangerous, UCLA is rebuilding and not dangerous. ASU could nip at the Utes ankles, Arizona isn't much to write about, nor is Colorado. You have 3 other PAC games in OrSU, Cal, and Washington, only one of which gets respect and they have some major gaps to fill also. OCC with BYU, Idaho State and Northern IL, none of whom you grant any respect to. So win out and who did you beat?

    It's not a lock if Utah goes undefeated. Utah isn't a big name, nor is BYU, which is why you choose to pump yourself up here rather then looking at reality.

    I suppose you might actually know how they CFP works like the rest of us do - so have some honesty and drop the hubris - Utah stands a very high chance in a perfect world, but it's not a lock even if they go undefeated.

    It would be nice to see any PAC team make it in again!

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 2:28 p.m.

    ThunderingHerdDrumline,

    It could be like Texas where they still wince a bit when they hear the name "Taysom". In which case church members win respect.

    It could be like LSU when e didn't cross the 50, in which case church members earn sympathy.

    In either case, I think the game will be a good one, I'm probably going to go to it, should be a good time.

  • ThunderingHerdDrumline Balko, OK
    June 19, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    I believe that 2022 game at Arkansas should be reconsidered. Members of the church are still physically assaulted just for being members of the church there. Playing a game there is a mistake.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 1:10 p.m.

    There sure are a lot of those "uneducated" fans mendenmidmajor was talking about posting here, so let me be crystal clear here...

    If Utah goes undefeated in the regular season, then wins the Pac-12 Conference Championship game...

    ...the Utes WILL receive a bid to the College Football Playoff. Guaranteed! Period.

    Utah plays in a "power" league now. There are 4 teams who will play in the CFP. Can any naysaying indy-WACer out there cite when was the last time more than 5 "power" league teams finished their regular season undefeated, then won their conference championship game...

    ...and DIDN'T finish in the Top 4?

    No. You can't. Because it never happened. An undefeated Utah team is a LOCK for the CFP!

    On the flip side, and undefeated indy-WAC team is a LOCK...

    ...for the Hawai'i Bowl. Haha!

    Edge: Utah

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    uteBusters:

    What are you whining about? All I'm doing is showing my support for ybU-p's program! Just ask BleedCougarBlue! Don't you want that? Don't you want your big brother on the hill to lend you all our support by exposing your lies and weaknesses? Why can't you just be grateful? You should be thanking us.

    What an classless, ungrateful indy-WACer. Shame on you.

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    "When Y fans want to claim the caliber of their degrees to be on par with the Ivy League's, Ute Nation will show our support by pointing out how the 3 most most-widely read university rankings in the world don't even put them on par with the Univ. of Utah"

    Such eloquence - and not one bit of inferiority needing to go to the #3 to avoid feeling like the #2. I'm in awe my friend!

    Your logic does indeed prove that BYU and Utah aren't on par in terms of education - well done!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 19, 2019 12:29 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    U at Ute nation are laughable in your complete obsession with all things BYU.

    It's impossible for our little brothers to ever be satisfied with any accomplishment without first making a comparison to BYU's accomplishments.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    You’re welcome BleedCougarBlue! We of Ute Nation will continue to show our support of your program by exposing the dubious claims to all out lies of cougar nation.

    When Y fans want to invent high Nielsen Ratings for their teams, Ute Nation will show our support by posting the REAL numbers, which would be low. You're welcome.

    When Y fans want to invent $10-15 million ESPN contract payouts, Ute Nation will show our support by quoting ESPN themselves, stating they only give you $4 million. You're welcome.

    When Y fans want to claim the caliber of their degrees to be on par with the Ivy League's, Ute Nation will show our support by pointing out how the 3 most most-widely read university rankings in the world don't even put them on par with the Univ. of Utah. You're welcome.

    When Y fans want to claim that their fans crush the gates at all their roadies, Ute Nation will show our support contrarily by pointing out the exact number of fans who'd actually attended, and then follow that up by exposing your inability to even crush the gates at LES. Or at least in games where Utah doesn't play in. You are SO welcome!

    How lucky you all are to have such awesome big brothers!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    You’re welcome BleedCougarBlue! We of Ute Nation will continue to show our support of your program by exposing the dubious claims to all out lies of cougar nation.

    When Y fans want to invent high Nielsen Ratings for their teams, Ute Nation will show our support by posting the REAL numbers, which would be low. You're welcome.

    When Y fans want to invent $10-15 million ESPN contract payouts, Ute Nation will show our support by quoting ESPN themselves, stating they only give you $4 million. You're welcome.

    When Y fans want to claim the caliber of their degrees to be on par with the Ivy League's, Ute Nation will show our support by pointing out how the 3 most most-widely read university rankings in the world don't even put them on par with the Univ. of Utah. You're welcome.

    When Y fans want to claim that their fans crush the gates at all their roadies, Ute Nation will show our support contrarily by pointing out the exact number of fans who'd actually attended, and then follow that up by exposing your inability to even crush the gates at LES. Or at least in games where Utah doesn't play in. You are SO welcome!

    How lucky you all are to have such awesome big brothers!

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    Nobody outside of an eastern time zone get's the nod for the CFP.

    Some years BYU has no chance, they'd basically have to go back to back perfect seasons or finish in the top 10. This year BYU actually would have a chance if the stars aligned and if ND didn't blow it last year - which only hurts the outsider argument. BYU's wins would need to be big against the major teams and those teams would have to do well. I'll conceded that BYU can't do it without outside help.

    Utah would get a lot of consideration, however Utah is far from a lock, it's heavily biased and a perfect Utah could easily sit out - to a lesser degree Utah depends on other teams.

    The CFP game is rigged to favor the 3 most eastern conferences and throw enough scraps to the BigXII and the PAC to allow it's own survival. Spots 1, 2, and 3 all go to 3 P3 conferences with spot #4 going to whomever from the P5 they need to in order to keep their monopoly alive without revolt.

    Lloyd Christmas would reply about BYU's chances "so you're saying there's a chance!" and I'd agree, a very tiny chance with Utah certainly not a lock but in envious position especially this year.

  • top of the world ,
    June 19, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    ArizonaUte...I appreciated your comments up until the final silly remark. Being Indy does, indeed, have huge drawbacks. Please don't think the Y wouldn't much rather be in a conference such as the PAC. You can gloat all you want about where you are, it is what it is. As to the remark about the Y playing a college exhibition schedule...well, let me put it this way, do you not believe the so-called board of experts who decide who will be in the CFP take into consideration every team the final six teams played? Including the marginal programs such as BYU, UCF, the Arizona schools, the lower tier Big 10 schools, Utah, Boise and on and on? BYU plays as tough a schedule as they can find agreements for, and it is most certainly not merely one of exhibition caliber. Don't ruin a good comment with bias-driven drivel.

    I do appreciate one aspect of one of your comments...the Y better start winning more games against the better, established programs, teams that actually win their conferences and are mainstays year after year. There is only one PAC this season that has any chance of getting into the championship picture...that is Utah. This could be a very, unusually good year for the Utes.

  • top of the world ,
    June 19, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    TomahawkRed...very good comment. I'm adding my positive vote for it.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    Not sure why any pac 10.2 team would be listed as a strong team when they rank lowest of all 5 so called power conferences.
    Pac is a joke as should no longer be considered a p5.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "If Utah goes undefeated in a season, winning the CCG (and I am not saying they will) they are in the CFP, without doubt."

    You're really saying that an undefeated Utah would be a lock to get in the CFP over an undefeated Ohio St or Michigan, an undefeated Clemson or Florida St or Miami, an undefeated Texas or Oklahoma, an undefeated Alabama or Georgia or Florida or LSU, and an undefeated Notre Dame?

    The truth is, there's not a single team on that list that Utah would get the nod over if both teams were undefeated.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 19, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    @Lone*Star - Austin, TX

    "Utah fans have been saying that for nearly a decade."
    -------------------------

    It's because it's true. Utah CAN make it. There is a path to get there.

    BYU has no path to make it. Period. It's literally impossible for BYU to make it.

    If Utah goes undefeated in a season, winning the CCG (and I am not saying they will) they are in the CFP, without doubt.

    If BYU goes undefeated for 5+ yrs. they wouldn't ever make the CFP and in most yrs. not make a NY6 bowl.

    It's about access. BYU has no access, even if they win like they have never won before.

  • Cbsqt Kelso, WA
    June 19, 2019 8:24 a.m.

    Regards the statement in article that this may be the toughest schedule ever. Look back at the year after the 84 championship and where those teams ranked at the end of 84. Great schedule this year but some of these teams are in recovery mode, such as Tennessee, one of my favorites in the glory years. Washington had ended up 84 as #2 and some #1. Boston College and UCLA were top 10 and I do not remember the other. Did lose to UCLA by 3 and to Ohio State in the bowl game by 3. But that was the year UTEP gained notoriety for innovative use of sideline communications devices.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 19, 2019 5:29 a.m.

    BleedCougarBlue - Enid, OK
    June 18, 2019 4:33 p.m.
    Gee, I am shocked....

    9 out of the first 15 comments are from BYU haters. So here ya go, people, you've earned it:

    "We at Cougar Nation thank you for your undivided attention. However, we are sad to inform you that we are no longer accepting applications for membership into the elite Cougar Club...

    Best Wishes - Cougar Nation"

    Go Cougars!

    -----

    Hahaha!

    What makes you think we're interested in your "elite" cougar club membership?

    Was it the constant laughter?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 19, 2019 5:19 a.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    June 18, 2019 3:17 p.m.
    utemythology

    How about U focus on not running away from Utah State?

    BYU’s tiny, fickle fanbase will still outdraw Utah for every single home game.

    -----

    Unlike Weber State, your Team A couldn't even sell out your 3,000 allocated tickets to your Super Bowl game at RES last year.

    Next!

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 18, 2019 11:15 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “Utah at least has a chance to go/make the CFP. Many national pundits are predicting the Rose Bowl this yr.”

    yawn

    Utah fans have been saying that for nearly a decade.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 18, 2019 10:14 p.m.

    @Lone*Star - Austin, TX

    Utah at least has a chance to go/make the CFP. Many national pundits are predicting the Rose Bowl this yr.

    It's impossible for BYU to make the CFP. Literally, that is what Independence brings to BYU.

    UCF went undefeated twice in a row and didn't make it. They are in a G5 conf. and the highest ranked G5 has an auto bid to a NY6 bowl.

    If BYU goes undefeated, they may not make a NY6 bowl. For real. They have no auto bid, and no bowl ties to any of those bowls, etc.

    BYU could go undefeated 5 yrs in a row and would NOT make the CFP.

    They have no conf. to be champion of, they don't play a minimum of 9, P5 opponents in any season, past or future, and their SOS is very pedestrian.

    The committee would always look at what Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, USC, Penn State, Washington, Utah, Oregon, Florida, Clemson, etc, would have done v. BYU's schedule.

    And BYU would never get the sympathy vote to make the CFP.

    BYU now plays exhibition college football. Sorry, it's true.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 18, 2019 9:36 p.m.

    the fake ND

    “BYU isn't going away and they are also not going to the CFP.”

    Neither is Utah.

  • Seldom Seen Smith Orcutt, CA
    June 18, 2019 8:26 p.m.

    by U s football schedule has all the coherence and continuity of a K-Mart blue light special, i.e., a made up cobbled together mess. Inpedence is a failure. On the other hand, go ahead, keep pretending.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    June 18, 2019 7:54 p.m.

    Yeah the next few schedules ramp up a tad in difficulty, but byu sure better hope they start winning some of those games.

    Lining up good schedules doesn't do a thing in the world for you if you lose them all.

    In fact, that would be regression.

    Lots of pressure on byu this season. Will be fun to watch.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    June 18, 2019 7:52 p.m.

    A "biggie size chunk" of the PAC 12?

    Three games?

    Someone ought to tell Bradley what "biggie size" means

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 18, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    BJMoose,
    Where can I find the video and transcripts from the Pac 12 TV rights negotiations? It was all done out in the open correct?

  • top of the world ,
    June 18, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    HS Sports Dude, how can you say the upcoming schedule is not legit? And how would you change it were you in a position to do so? Would you have a bunch of major players scheduled for later in the year? Let me clue you in on something...the major players can't schedule the Y later in the year because they are in the thick of conference and conference playoff games. Do you not think, given all of the circumstances, and refraining from viewing/answering this question with the eyes of a probable Ute fan (good on you if you are) that this is a pretty challenging and very legit schedule? Utah, Tenn, USC, Wash, Boise...all pretty good programs over the years. Throw in USU (the team Utah won't play) at the Logan site and then two supposedly easy games, one away at USF and the other away at Toledo (either one of these teams could take down most PAC teams at home (that from a PAC fan for about 70 years, given that I was rooting for them at 10 years of age). Yes, the tail end is not great, but it's no fault of the Y...it comes with the territory of being indy.

    Not legit? I am glad I don't wear blinders when I look at the other programs in the great state of Utah.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 18, 2019 6:31 p.m.

    BYU isn't going away and they are also not going to the CFP. But neither is Idaho State, Liberty, Toledo or UMASS. So, they have a lot in common.

  • HS Sport Dude Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 5:30 p.m.

    Playing 4 P5 Schools in a year is a MEGA Schedule. Give me a break. Utah plays 9. Any P5 will play a minimum of 8.

    Take a good look at the schedule. It is not legit at all.

  • imdocrob1 , 00
    June 18, 2019 5:10 p.m.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night!!

  • top of the world ,
    June 18, 2019 5:09 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum...everything that you offered is totally false. Come on, man. Lend some truth to what you say about the school you dislike so much. You lose credibility with your input.

    I love the schedule this season, as well as the seasons on the near horizon. I would rather be in the PAC (I think most Y fans would) but I like what we have over membership in the Mt West. And I don't think those few (very few) Ute fans who side with the Aggies as a way to show their bias have any room to talk when they continually avoid playing Utah State. Play they or find another avenue to blow off steam. We'll do better this year, though I won't go so far as to say we'll have a substantial change in the win-loss column. This will be a tough season. I, for one, will not look past Toledo or UMass when those games arrive, let alone the games against the big-time programs.

    Regarding our first game, there is a reason the Utes have such a strikingly good bowl record during the past decade. The reason is Coach Whit. When he has time he is all but unbeatable. And guess what, he has all summer to prepare for game number one. And despite some comments, that is one he wants, badly.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    June 18, 2019 5:02 p.m.

    Holmoe isn't at Media Day and the Ute trolls seem to know why and want to critizise him. I suspect the trolls have no clue what he was doing. And the coaches and others can perfectly well answer questions about the football team.
    A troll says there is and never was a rivalry between the Utes and the Cougs? Gee, I did not know that!
    Playing for a conference championship is a big deal. BYU has been there and done that. A lot!! But can Independence suceed? I LIKE that independence allows the Cougs to play all over the country and to play teams that they would not likely to have been able to schedule. BYU is far, far from being a Nortre Dame. But Nortre Dame has shown what can be done in Independence and the excitement that can happen when they come to town. But it comes down to winning. If BYU starts winning 9+ games against these schedules, then they will approach the ND model and have a chance to do some very good things in the future.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:47 p.m.

    To Pugman - Tremonton, UT concerning your comment:

    “Oh look honey....another BYU article with the Ute masses chiming in. See son......this is what it looks like when you have no life.”

    It appears your life consists of reading Utah fans comments on a BYU article. At least the Ute fans are having a little fun ‘talking’ some harmless trash.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:45 p.m.

    Hey Ute fans, I thought you guys were "so over BYU"???

    Whatever happened with:

    "We don't even think about BYU anymore."

    "BY - who?"

    "Our new and improved main rival is Colorado. The Holy War is now a relic of the past."

    You keep saying the BYU-Utah rivalry is dead and buried, but you keep proving the exact opposite.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    Definitely a rah-rah homer article but nothing wrong with that. It was written for their fanbase. I am MOST curious, however, on the holdup on the supposed new ESPN contract. It appears to me their are going ons behind the scenes that aren’t being reported.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    June 18, 2019 4:33 p.m.

    Gee, I am shocked....

    9 out of the first 15 comments are from BYU haters. So here ya go, people, you've earned it:

    "We at Cougar Nation thank you for your undivided attention. However, we are sad to inform you that we are no longer accepting applications for membership into the elite Cougar Club. This is America, though, and you are free to respond with another post to tell us all how little you care about us.

    Best Wishes - Cougar Nation"

    Go Cougars!

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    Some eastern broadcasters? Or simply BYU fans upset they got left out in the cold. Why didn't Holmoe announce what you claimed today by showing the evidence by these so called eastern broadcasters. That's right Holmoe didn't even show up today to do his job.

  • Mack2828 Kenton Vale, KY
    June 18, 2019 4:13 p.m.

    As someone who loves to root against BYU, this fall is going to be a joy.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:11 p.m.

    @ Utah-Hawaii Alum

    WhY (sic) does the Rockmonster claim Boise State as a "rival?" BSU has stated many times that YBu (sic) is no rival of theirs, not even a thought in fact. We Utes have NEVER considered BYu (sic) a "rival" in football EVER, never will!!!!! (sic) Utah State nowadays consider (sic) BYu (sic) a "rival" and will cream them in Logan this season.

    Jealousy morphed into anger...lol

    Amazing!
    Absolutely nothing in your snarky rant, remotely resembles the Truth.

    Chill baby...Chill..

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:02 p.m.

    The major college contenders are always looking for a punching bag opponent...

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    Oh look honey....another BYU article with the Ute masses chiming in. See son......this is what it looks like when you have no life.

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    June 18, 2019 3:58 p.m.

    I hope the indy thing makes you money, cause it's got to suck for fans. The reality for byu-p football fans for the foreseeable future is go 2-2 (at best) over your first 4 against good P5 opponents, then finish out the rest of your schedule with nothing more to play for other than a couple rivalry games against USU and BSU. I can't imagine sitting in the cold playing Idaho St or UMASS for literally nothing. I'm not saying the MWC is the greatest, but fighting for that spot in the MWC championship game and a possible NY6 bowl game is great for us Aggie fans. Enjoy the bed you've made.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2019 3:42 p.m.

    @uteology

    "How about you focus on beating Utah State?"

    Utah State? I think for starters they should focus on beating UMASS!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 18, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    utemythology

    How about U focus on not running away from Utah State?

    BYU’s tiny, fickle fanbase will still outdraw Utah for every single home game.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    June 18, 2019 2:45 p.m.

    "tiny fickle fan base??" Really Utah fan? You stadium holds how many??? BYU had 65,000 when Rice Eccles still had wood benches. Rice Eccles was still a small stadium until the 2002 Olympics came and helped them renovate. It was the olympics, not some overwhelming fan base demanding more seating. I remember the days when the only reason Rice Eccles sold out was because of the BYU fans. A few years ago when BYU played Idaho State for the last game of the season in snow, we still had 45,000 fans. That would have sold out Rice Eccles. Whenever I find a "life-long" U fan, I always say, "life-long since 2004". ESPN would not sign the contract or pay the money for a "tiny-fickle fan base". Money talks. "It's a nice little stadium" Look it up.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    “you can’t accuse Holmoe of hiding.“

    One question, Brad.
    Did you write that before, or after, Holmoe hid from his own “media day”?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    Holmoe “It looks like this time around, maybe we have some primary (bowl) games, that will be known. But there's some nuances that we could try to get out of — maybe some of those primaries — and if we have an opportunity, to get into a secondary bowl.”
    Brad Rock "His point is that if one of the power conferences can’t fill a slot at a larger bowl, BYU might slip in."

    Kind of a weird thing, but when a power conference can't fill a bowl slot, they aren't giving up their big money money bowls. Instead they give up their bottom feeder bowl -- ACC Birmingham Bowl, Big Ten First Responders Bowl, Big 12 Armed Forces Bowl, PAC 12 Cheez-It Bowl, SEC Independence Bowl. That isn't much different than BYU's choices today. Don't expect BYU to swap in for the Alamo Bowl, the Outback Bowl, or others. Those are contractually obligated to the P5s. Out of ESPN's control.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    Holmoe: “...we try to put a great team on the field. You talk about top 25 — that's where it used to be, we used to start at top 20. And if you could get into the top 15 or the top 10, then at one point, you can end up No. 1 — which we did in ‘84.

    -------

    Top 25, Top 10, #1?

    How about you focus on beating Utah State?

  • water rocket , 00
    June 18, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    Some eastern sportscasters have speculated that with ESPN losing so many customers to other media that they won't be able to renew the huge contracts they have with the P5 conferences. In addition, due to the dynamics of supply and demand,there will be a major shake up in conference alignments, possibly creating one major conference.

    Nothing ever stays the same for ever, but for BYU to be in any discussion involving major changes to the national football scene, they simply must win games. After their last bowl game, it should be crystal clear to the BYU coaches that the passing game must become a much bigger part of their game plans.

    In a game there may be 5 or 6 running plays that go for more than 10 yards. I the last bowl game BYU averaged just over 4 yards per run play, whereas they averaged 18 yards per pass play. Since they only had 19 pass plays, that means that more than half of their pass plays went for more than 10 yards. Moving the ball up and down the field is the name of the game, and the pass does it better than anything else.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    WhY does the Rockmonster claim Boise State as a "rival?" BSU has stated many times that YBu is no rival of theirs, not even a thought in fact. We Utes have NEVER considered BYu a "rival" in football EVER, never will!!!!! Utah State nowadays consider BYu a "rival" and will cream them in Logan this season.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 2:20 p.m.

    Yeah, 4 P-5 teams is a "TRUE" test for BYu in 2019. But, 2020 and2021 will be sorta close to a "big boy schedule" and the whY will get absolutely CREAMED.....and their tiny fickle fanbase won't show up to view that carnage.