ESPN contract, Zach Wilson's shoulder among topics to be addressed during BYU Football Media Day

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  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    "The PAC 12 presidents were not smart enough to ask for an exemption to stay at 10 teams."

    coog & white:

    Hahaha!! We haven't heard that old coog-fable chestnut for a while, particularly since Utah's Nielson TV numbers have been much higher than BYU-P's.

    Clearly, Utah added value to the league's TV rights negotiations at the time, simply by adding desirable content and the Salt Lake TV market. Indeed, the Pac12 presidents were smart enough not to invite the coogs, as the Big12 later found out, since BYU-P has always wanted to be treated, and paid, for what they THINK they are worth, not what they are ACTUALLY worth.

  • blue & white , 00
    June 19, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    @ Arizona Ute
    The PAC 12 presidents were not smart enough to ask for an exemption to stay at 10 teams. I bet they have second thoughts about adding Utah. ESPN knows the value BYU has and the TV contract will extend. If Utah was Indy they would get an inferior deal probably like New Mexico State. Does NMS even have an ESPN deal? ESPN helps to set up games with big time programs and bowl games for the Y. They don’t do that to loose money. The Cougs are for real and any P5 conference would benefit having them. Go Cougs!

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 18, 2019 6:41 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin,
    Your question is a perfect example of Utah "fans"/ BYU haters sitting on the edge of their seats, eagerly digesting every word and announcements to comment on as soon as possible! Thanks for your everlasting interest and attention to all things BYU!!!!!!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    @ Laxman,

    The reason whY they start early is because that hype sells t-shirts. It is all about money to BYu's owners since day 1.

  • Laxman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    I don’t understand why BYU holds their media day in June? Wouldn’t it be better closer to the season? Somebody enlighten me.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    “How many times do we Ute fans have to post those numbers...
    ...AND show them where to access that information for themselves...
    ...before it all finally sinks in?”

    Naval Vet:

    Never happen. While they know, deep down, they’d rather repeat myths and tall tales instead of publicly admitting the truth.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    I love BYu Media Day! All the whY "sugar ants" coagulate in their frantic effort to consume a stale doughnut. They really are the "gift" that keeps on giving.........a "spectacle like no other!" HAHA!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    CDM1525:

    I know, right? It’s as if they think that ESPN and/or the Big 12 have some sort of department within their research ranks, whose purpose is to walk around the “Magic Kingdom”, recording the number hats, T-shirts, and diaper bags bearing collegiate licensed logos, in order to determine an institution’s net worth.

    And they wonder why everybody thinks they’re a bunch of “uneducated” weirdos.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    JohninSLC:

    "The total viewership of Utah’s 7 Nielsen games was 11.188 million, an average of 1.598M per game. And contrary to coog folklore, 10.012 million watched BYU-P in 10 games, an average of 1.012 per game."

    How many times do we Ute fans have to post those numbers...

    ...AND show them where to access that information for themselves...

    ...before it all finally sinks in? It's not like Utah's Nielsen Ratings outdrawing the indy-WACers' is a new phenomenon. We've been doing it for YEARS!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    WOW??????? BYu football is in a serious state of demise after I just watched BYu Media Day. Listening to the Y Holmoe concerning NO CONTRACT with ESPN, the lame coaches and then seeing how really tiny and unfit Wilson, Bushman, Gwakumole' and Anderson appeared.......no wonder they are always hurt!!!! I'm an older guy and I'm in far better shape than those cream puffs! Good heavens.......? very sad........indeed.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 18, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    @blue & white - , 00

    I bet the PAC President’s have second thoughts about inviting Utah when they could have stayed at 10 and get more money per team with 10 teams like the Big 12. Which ever P 5 gets the Y will see a revenue increase.
    Go Cougs!

    --------

    Why would the have second thoughts of adding a Top 25 football program and a top 4 PAC-12 basketball program?

    Actually, the PAC-12 had second thoughts of adding Texas and Oklahoma which is why they rejected them in 2012.

    No P5 wants the bottom feeding BYU's baggage.

  • JohnInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    “Even better when they talk trash about fake nielsen ratings with no basis in fact. BYU beats Utah every time in similar game Nielsen ratings”

    Terrycoog:

    Hahaha, more coog folklore!

    Obviously, you didn’t actually check the available 2018 Nielsen ratings for TV games both schools played in last year (byutv, SECN, B1GN, Pac12N, CBSSN, etc are not Nielsen rated). Utah played in 7, BYU-P in 10. Funny thing is, MORE Nielsen people watched Utah in 7 games than watched BYU-P in 10 games!

    The total viewership of Utah’s 7 Nielsen games was 11.188 million, an average of 1.598M per game. And contrary to coog folklore, 10.012 million watched BYU-P in 10 games, an average of 1.012 per game. Utah’s lowest rated game was against the coogs, at 646K, while BYU-P had 4 lower-rated games (including a paltry 295K viewers for that barnburner against New Mexico State).

    Epic, EPIC fail!!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 18, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    @blue & white - , 00

    "I bet the PAC President’s have second thoughts about inviting Utah when they could have stayed at 10 and get more money per team with 10 teams like the Big 12."
    ---------------------------

    You do know that at the time of PAC12 expansion, the NCAA had a rule that you had to have 12 teams for a conf. to have a CCG, right?

    The BigXII petitioned the NCAA for a special ruling to be allowed to have a CCG with only 10 teams. They were granted that like 2-3 yrs. ago is all.

    That rule approval is probably a big reason why the BigXII didn't take any team last round. It happened right about the same time.

    Please provide actual proof of the PAC12 Presidents having second thoughts about adding specifically Utah.

    Yet another "BYU narrative" that has no foundation. But whatever. Keep it up. We will just go win the rivalry game and let that speak for Utah.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 18, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    @blue & white - , 00

    "Which ever P 5 gets the Y will see a revenue increase. "
    ----------------------------------

    This is a classic "BYU narrative" that has no foundation when looking at facts.

    In the last 5 yrs. Utah has averaged 3mm more viewers per season than BYU. And BYU has had exactly 1 more game televised on a major network in the same 5 yrs.

    So, maybe want to tell ESPN to step it up some on better slots and better match-ups or something.

    Last yr. Washington v. BYU featured two top 20 (at the time) teams, but Washington v. Utah still had more viewers by a few hundred thousand.

    Explain how that fits into your narrative.

    When the latest BigXII expansion talks happened, they chose nobody. Why? Their media partners, who did the analysis for them, let them know there were no teams they evaluated who moved the revenue needle.

    Again, going contrary to the popular "BYU narrative" of bringing more revenue to a conf.

    How? How much more? What metrics can you point to for proof? It's a nice saying that has no foundation. Like most "BYU narratives".

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    It is beyond arrogant, a YBu trait in every way, to state that ESPN is a "partner?????" The reality is that the whY is merely a "yappy lap dog" to ESPN. I see ESPN paying for a couple games due to BYu's opponents, then pick up a few others on ESPN3 and ESPN+ based solely on ad sales percentages. BYu doesn't sell folks.......tiny fickle fanbase that is cheap.

  • CDM1525 West Point, UT
    June 18, 2019 6:19 a.m.

    I’m just curious if there will be a session on gear count numbers at amusement parks throughout the country. We know how much byu fans like to reference these when the smack talk starts up.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    June 18, 2019 3:00 a.m.

    The Football Media Day revelations should be interesting.

    From the limited view provided by the Twitter posting, it appears that Wilson's recovery is going very well.

    I am not a fan of Holmoe's experiment with independence, but 2019 should be a good year for BYU football -- of our 4 P5 opponents, one (Utah) will be playing its first game with a new offense, one will have a patchwork OL (Tennessee just lost its fifth offensive lineman), one (USC) is in chaos that probably won't be settled by the 3rd game of the season, and one (Wash) will have a lot of new starters (but likely still beat us for our only loss). [2020 with 6 P5 teams and an 8-week stretch without a bye and 2021 with 7 P5 teams and a 9-week stretch without a bye will be brutal by comparison so we better do well this year.]

    Regarding the ESPN contract -- it is interesting that the longstanding partnership between BYU and ESPN has survived in view of the potential political considerations and other options available to ESPN. ESPN management apparently has perceived significant value in supporting our football future to a degree that seems out of proportion to what ratings would justify. We'll see if this lasts.

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:57 a.m.

    Love it when Utes troll BYU articles to prove they are more BYU hater than Ute fans. Even better when they talk trash about fake nielsen ratings with no basis in fact. BYU beats Utah every time in similar game Nielsen ratings and attendance both. Utah has one of the smallest Stadiums in the Pac12, 20K lower than BYU, just sad. Utah could never get an ESPN contract like BYU, they don't have any national draw and a small local fan base and TV market. When they do have decent ratings its only when people turn in to watch the Other teams they play like USC, UCLA, Oregon etc, only a fraction are there to watch Utah, evidenced by lowest ever rated Pac12 title game with Utah in it last year. The Pac 12 network is a joke with very few viewers compared to ESPN making the Pac12 a laughing stock among all the other P5 conferences. It should be the P4 as the Pac12 has fallen behind the American Athletic in both Football and Basketball success. The Utes could only dream about getting similar national exposure and viewers that BYU gets on ESPN and ABC even on one of BYU's down years vs. one of Utahs best.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:09 p.m.

    blue & white "Which ever P 5 gets the Y will see a revenue increase."
    The last Big 12 study expansion study showed that adding teams -- including BYU -- would not increase revenue. ESPN paid the Big 12 not to expand. They didn't want to pay BYU more money. With partner's like that, who needs enemies?

  • blue & white , 00
    June 17, 2019 8:59 p.m.

    Several positive things will come out of the state of the program tomorrow. A few Ute fans like to spin it another way. The Y is improving and should have an amazing season. Can’t be so positive for the Utes since their conference championship is the lowest attended out of all P5’s when Utah is there. I bet the PAC President’s have second thoughts about inviting Utah when they could have stayed at 10 and get more money per team with 10 teams like the Big 12. Which ever P 5 gets the Y will see a revenue increase.
    Go Cougs!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 17, 2019 8:53 p.m.

    A philosophical question: If a media day happens and there's no one around to hear it, did it really make a sound?

  • Free Ice Cream=WAC Invite Seattle, WA
    June 17, 2019 8:41 p.m.

    " ESPN has a longer range view of what BYU football is about. "

    LOL!
    Yeah I'm sure they do know what BYU football is about.
    The ratings are not worth a contract. Plenty of evidence to support that.

    How cute. BYU relies on ESPN for independence.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2019 6:50 p.m.

    “They beat the tar out of utah-slc’s Nielson ratings in an apples-to-apples comparison.”

    Untrue—We annihilate byu-p in Nielsen Ratings, across-the-board, period.

    byu-p’s ratings don’t even remotely reflect their “national following/exposure” rhetoric.

    So sad for you, Sunshine.

    Kind of like byu-p can’t sellout RES-South unless we hit town.....Not even offering discounted/free tickets brings about a sellout.....It literally takes us hitting town & filling out the stadium.

    Go Utes!

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 17, 2019 6:37 p.m.

    AZUTE1 - “What’s up w/BYU’s.... Nielsen Ratings?”

    They beat the tar out of utah-slc’s Nielson ratings in an apples-to-apples comparison.

    ESPN execs are smart to ignore the snake oil utah fans are constantly trying to peddle.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2019 6:03 p.m.

    What’s up w/byu-p’s paltry Nielsen Ratings?

    Go Utes!

  • Highlight WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 17, 2019 5:27 p.m.

    Thanks Navel Vet - Knew we can always count on you for some snarky, biting, and oh so thoughtful commentary. Keep up the good work. Thanks for excelling in eloquence.

  • BYU Sports Nut Heber City, UT
    June 17, 2019 4:43 p.m.

    I appreciate the job that Tom Holmoe is doing and has done. He came in after a controversial time, has had to deal with the raising of the bar, tighter honor code and academics etc. Thank you for doing a great job. I see all of BYU athletics on the upswing and it is exciting.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    “The contract with ESPN is the linchpin of BYU’s independence. ESPN provides the Cougars with relevance by showing games to a national television audience, assists in the scheduling of games with storied opponents, and secures bowl game destinations.”

    Do they? Then what’s up with their annual pillow-soft schedules, and 6-figure bowl games? You’d think that assistance from the “worldwide leader of sports” could yield better matchups than an average of over 7 midmajors per season, and at LEAST a 7-figure bowl game. And with ESPN's assistance, the indy-WACers couldn't do much better than THAT?

    How midmajory.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 17, 2019 4:17 p.m.

    I think that Brigham Young has just enough home games with quality opponents to make 3 or 4 , 10PM East Coast ESPN broadcasts worth it. Of course they never start broadcasting at 10 PM. There is usually another game still in progress. The rest will be relegated to ESPN Plus.

    And speaking of contracts.. how is that Notre Dame contract working out? Will we get an annual report about that?

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 17, 2019 2:24 p.m.

    During media days:

    - BYU and ESPN will announce a new contract beginning in 2020
    - BYU will announce a contract extension for Kalani Sitake
    - BYU will announce that Zach Wilson will be ready to practice when fall camp opens

    The future is bright for BYU football, basketball, volleyball, T&F, golf, softball, and all of BYU's other sports.

    Go Cougs!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 17, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    Not to be too snarky, but since this article touched on the subject of contracts - when does Holmoe's contract expire? I'm more interested in that contract that Sitake's.