3-star recruits Sol-Jay Maiava, Devin Downing commit to BYU football

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  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 22, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    NV:
    I've responded but they haven't posted...

    In a nutshell: there's no respected researcher who would describe 11 warriors as independent. Independent means no association or affiliation with the subject of the research (in this case, college football players, and college football recruiting). 11 warriors is associated with both, therefore isn't independent and will be biased to whatever data support their brand.

    The anecdotal, "case study" U presented had no efficacy because the panelist who talked to friends drew from a very small sample. Thank U. U illustrated what every good researcher, mathematician, and scientist already know....a more robust, larger, and more diverse sample will always be more reliable and predictive of reality (in other words, higher probability of accuracy). I understand what U are trying to say- higher probability from a larger sample doesn't mean they WILL be more accurate but research isn't done that way...it will always follow higher statistical probability provided by larger, diverse samples.

    Now at this point, I've lost interest...follow Rivals and believe whatever U want about them, it's a free country (and I sincerely thank U for your service).

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 3:22 p.m.

    DN, where's my first post?

    Essentially it describes why 11 W is about as "independent" from CFB recruiting research as Pfizer is from epidemiology research lol. An "independent" study is one done by an entity that is not affiliated with or associated with the subject (in this case CFB recruiting). 11 W's is very much affiliated and associated...busted. Anyone that's actually done research understands this. So every time U call them "independent" it wrecks your credibility with those of us who have actually done research.

    Second, I address the fact that your meandering 'friends who might know friends' salaries' hypothetical could happen in a small, anecdotal case study, but wouldn't happen in a large robust and diverse sample. That's exactly why small samples aren't reliable...thank you for demonstrating it. And it's exactly why REAL researchers recognize that larger and more diverse samples are more representative and predictive of reality (in other words, more likely to be accurate).

    Like I said, if U want to believe Rivals is #1, no one will stop U. I choose to follow the more robust sample and the man who started Rivals, at 247. Pretty sure, no one else here cares anymore.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 21, 2019 2:14 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    247 and Scout merged, so there IS data there. Do you have an independent study that ranks 247 ahead of Rivals? Because we both know that I have one that ranks Rivals ahead of 247. So UNTIL an independent study emerges that knocks Rivals off it's perch...

    ...Rivals wears the crown. Rivals is the "industry standard". Rivals is the "most accurate" of all recruit rating sources. And you KNOW this! Your failure to even ADDRESS (much less answer) the question I'd asked you at the conclusion of my June 20th post at 6:04 p.m. is your tacit admission that you know I'm right.

    Look little bro -- I understand how badly you want 247 to overtake Rivals, because UNTIL then, your recruiting classes will continue to emerge as some bush-league 2-star bonanza, and leave you scrambling to find some other team's bandwagon to jump onto. But "wishing" 247 to be the "industry standard" won't work.

    And for what it's worth, neither will jumping onto some other SEC team's bandwagon help the indy-WACers either. How miserable for you.

    Wrecked indy-WACer.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 21, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    Blue Navel:
    cont-
    3) Have you looked at the "study" you're clinging to as "accurate"?
    - Eleven Warriors only evaluated the 1st round of the draft...what about rounds 2-7?? So they simply, inexplicably removed 6/7 (86%) of the sample.
    - Did U also know that the 1st of the 5 years they studied, seniors that were drafted weren't even evaluated by 247 because they didn't exist (keep in mind the final difference between Rivals and 247 over those 5 years was only 2).
    - Eleven Warriors only evaluated NFL draft picks. They didn't even evaluate college performance which is what recruiting services are for: College Football, not the NFL. I recognize that most of them evaluate their top 32 (5 stars) by trying to project their NFL draft status, but recruiting is about CFB...where's the analysis for accuracy on how players performed in college?

    THIS is not good, independent research that will have any efficacy whatsoever in predicting how accurate an evaluation is of a player's collegiate potential.

    Now, if U want to continue following Rivals, be my guest. I will follow the more robust, diverse meta-analysis that everyone else follows: the 247 composite.

    Have a good weekend.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 20, 2019 6:04 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB (2 of 2):

    Example: John Doe is a Computer Scientist who earns $120K per year. Two panelists who have never met Joe -- but know what he does for living -- are trying to guess his salary. Panelist #1 guesses $115K. Panelist #2 on the other hand guesses he makes about $100K, but opted to ask a few of his friends what THEY think John makes, and those buddies guess $90K, $85K, and $80K respectively. Panelist #2 averages both his and his friends' salary estimates together, and thereby concludes that $87.5K would be his best guess.

    So who was the “most accurate”? The guy who’d guessed $115K? Or the guy who’d averaged together 4 even MORE wrong numbers?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 20, 2019 5:59 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB (1 of 2):

    “I was mocking your erroneous idea that 11 W was "independent" by using a biased "study" from 247.”

    Except that you failed to point out “how” the study by “Eleven Warriors” was “biased”. What difference would it make to Ohio St that would inspire them to favor Rivals over 247?

    Answer: It wouldn’t make any difference to them at all. Ergo, they ARE an “independent” study.

    “..why didn't U address the other reasons I gave for 247 being the industry standard”

    Because I didn’t NEED to. I’d already pointed out that the most recent “independent” study dubbed Rivals as the “most accurate”. So until somebody can provide me a more recent “independent” study, then there’s no evidence that Rivals had been bumped from atop its perch. And the “industry standard” isn’t the 2nd most accurate source. It’s the 1st, aka “Rivals”.

    And since you don’t know how “research” or “analysis” works, I’ll help you.

    1.“More analysts” does not automatically mean “more accurate”.’
    2.Averaging a composite of multiple scores does not automatically mean “more accurate”. And this is a point you indy-WACers always get stuck on, so I’ll illustrate that even further for you.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 20, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    NV:
    First of all, it's Eleven Warriors, not "Elite Eleven". Step 1 in suggesting your source is credible is getting their name right.

    Second, I wasn't suggesting either 11 W or 247 were "independent" sources. I was mocking your erroneous idea that 11 W was "independent" by using a biased "study" from 247. When I said-- "but as long as we're calling BIASED sites "independent", 247 did a..." --it should have been perfectly clear I was suggesting neither site as "independent". Who's the "sucker"...the one who pretends a biased source is "independent" (using the wrong name) or the one that mocks them using a biased source of their own? "Whoops"!

    Third, your quote from Eric Winter is over 5 years old and he is no longer the "head of Rivals"...He's a has-been, just like them. But it got me thinking...

    ...why didn't U address the other reasons I gave for 247 being the industry standard now (more analysts, operated by the man who made Rivals great in the 1st place, uses a composite of all 4 recruiting services, etc, etc)? Then U quoted Winter, and I realized U just don't know or follow recruiting now. So...

    Welcome to 2019...we've been expecting U (for about 5-6 yrs)! Lol

  • ColoradoCouger Parker, CO
    June 20, 2019 6:21 a.m.

    Even Utah really wanted Sol-Jay

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 1:05 p.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    Are you suggesting that 247 did a study and determined that 247 was the most accurate? And you BELIEVE them?

    Sucker!

    What about THIS...

    "Rivals is the definitive leader when it comes to the rankings for college football." -- Eric Winter, head of Rivals.

    Whoops! Rivals graded THEMselves as the most accurate. There can't be TWO "most accurate" sources, unless they're both saying the same thing. But they're not! So whom should we believe?

    Answer: How about an "independent" source?

    If two studies are performed to determine who between Rivals and 247 is the most accurate…

    …and those two studies were conducted by “Elite Eleven” – who’s affiliated with Ohio St, and the other was by 247 themselves…

    …are you SERIOUSLY suggesting the “247” study was the least biased?

    #CougarLogic

  • one liner Dallas, TX
    June 19, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    What's the definition of "accurate" for recruits anyway?

    Both teams have had highly recruited players go to the NFL, and both teams have and nobodies do very well also.

    So accuracy is for what - to prove your point that your team is best?

    Be realistic - nobody knows anything until the players either impress fans or just blend into the background on the sidelines which depends on the players, coaches, and some dumb luck. I guess I'm just not that petty to make recruiting a rivalry issue.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 19, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    NV:
    "You are mistaken little bro. Because UNLESS some other independent study had been done to unseat Rivals, then they ARE the "most accurate" recruit rating service."

    First of all, stop calling people little bro, old man (well chronologically anyway lol).

    Second, Eleven Warriors isn't "independent", they are the site for O$U (the equivalent of DawgNation for UGA). Fail.

    But as long as we're calling biased sites "independent", 247 did a more statistically sound and robust analysis in 2017 (using top 100 NFL picks, not cherry-picking first round only numbers like 11 Warriors) and found that 247 and 247 composite rated out the most accurate.

    247 also has the largest network and more recruiting analysts on the ground than any other service (and it isn't even close). They were formed by the original Rivals founders which is why they're probably so good now and Rivals has been sinking into oblivion since they left to form 247 Sports in 2010.

    Go to any forum of big time programs and ask them. Go to the reddit thread referred to here, and most say 247 composite.

    Fail again!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    "Rivals is NOT the most accurate, or most regarded recruiting service...unless you're still living in 2013"

    You are mistaken little bro. Because UNLESS some other independent study had been done to unseat Rivals, then they ARE the "most accurate" recruit rating service.

    Just as an FYI for ya...it's NOT a "coincidence" that Whittingham always out-recruits you guys, and then never loses. Just because you don't WANT it to be true that you're a haven for unheralded 2-star kids (with 8 of your 9 guys all "2-starry" kids), that doesn't mean that it ISN'T!

    How miserable for you.

    P.S.: I just LOVE how embarrassed you are of your bush league, indy-irrelevant, WAC-wannabe, "midmajor forever" program. Haha!

    kaysvillecougar:

    Let WHAT go? All your fellow indy-WACers' straw man arguments? Because that doesn't make any sense. Shouldn't you be telling those "straw man" cougies who just make stuff up that? Typical hypocritical coug.

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    June 19, 2019 6:03 a.m.

    Three star recruits are fine and dandy... but when is BYU going to bring in the five star recruits on a regular basis... if at all?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 18, 2019 10:14 p.m.

    Rivals is NOT the most accurate, or most regarded recruiting service...unless you're still living in 2013 (and no, Eleven Warriors is not an independent and unbiased "source" or "study"...and calculating recruiting accuracy using only first round draft pick accuracy is far too simplistic and only takes NFL drafting into account rather than college stats and efficacy which is what players are actually recruited for).

    247 Sports Composite (founded by the original founders of Rivals ironically) is the most quoted and highest regarded recruiting service because their composite ranking includes all the major recruiting services' analyses (including Rivals). 247 Sports replaced Rivals in 2013 as the official online recruiting partner for the Army All American game.

    Sol Jay Maiava is a 3 star QB with a slightly higher composite rating (.8663) than one Mr Tyler Huntley (.8640).

    Devin Downing is a 3 star WR with a slightly lower composite rating (.8093) than one Mr Britain Covey (.8167).

    A little perspective goes a long way...

    Good luck to both these young men in their future careers!

  • WalkerTexas Ranger Greeley, CO
    June 18, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    CougFaninTX....."Does anyone other than me find it interesting that 18 of the 38 comments on this article are from Ute fans?"

    Ha Ha, so true bro......They deny it to the bone but their constant posts without a doubt verify they are obsessed with all things BYU football!

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    Bluto: "Oregon and Michigan offered the kid and yet he wasn't good enough for last place Utah (Directors Cup, Recruiting and Academics in the Pac) ?"

    And like clockwork we have the Director's Cup reference. Ask Sol-Jay what he thinks of the Director's Cup. Guaranteed he's never heard of it, like most of America.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    Blue n gold. "That was simply ONE of the reason Sol-Jay chose BYU over Utah.

    "Only a jealous Ute fan would try to claim that was the sole reason he chose BYU, because the reasons players choose a particular school are as varied as the players themselves."

    He certainly didn't chose BYU-P for their recent QB development. Unless he thinks transforming 4/5 Star QB's into 2 stars is a good thing. i.e. Hill, Mangum and Heaps.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 18, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    @Bluto - Sandy, UT

    Utah offered the kid. NO question. They have offered several QBs this cycle. Don't know where he was on the priority list, but he's not on the list at all now. He chose BYU.

    Good for him and good for you guys.

    Utah will get a QB that fits our program and who we are happy with.

    In the mean time, congrats to BYU for a nice pick-up.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 18, 2019 8:24 a.m.

    Recruiting to tragically boring, nowhere USA Provo, Utah, where you are treated like a toddler.......most young "ADULTS" don't ever consider it. Good luck BYu!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:57 p.m.

    @AZUTE

    Oregon and Michigan offered the kid and yet he wasn't good enough for last place Utah (Directors Cup, Recruiting and Academics in the Pac) ?

    Ahh, jealousy and putting down young athletes has no bounds for Ute fans.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:37 p.m.

    The pants-wetters are out in force. Ute kidz, just let these high schoolers enjoy their day announcing their committments. And Navalvet, really? For a guy in his 60's, you should really just let this go.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:21 p.m.

    On a side note, BYU just added a running back out of Texas to the class of 2020 today.

    Go Cougs!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2019 6:33 p.m.

    On Sol-Jay, per program insiders, we stopped recruiting him a long time ago, as it was determined he didn’t project to being qualified as a PAC-12 QB.

    Don’t know much about the other kid.

    byu-p is always ranked ahead of us in recruiting rankings at this time of year based exclusively on sheer # of commitments, but we ALWAYS end the recruiting cycle by leaving them in our dust.....The end rankings are the only ones that matter, period.

    And FTR, 247Sports Composite ranking is now the new standard, as it incorporates ALL recruiting services & their ratings.

    Go Utes!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 17, 2019 5:38 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    "That was simply ONE of the reason Sol-Jay chose BYU over Utah."
    ------------------------

    Please share the other reasons. And..............Go!

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    June 17, 2019 4:30 p.m.

    Does anyone other than me find it interesting that 18 of the 38 comments on this article are from Ute fans? Thank you for your loyalty.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2019 4:15 p.m.

    wacmidmajor:

    "Are you talking about the same ol' pac12 champs' in July chatter that we have come to expect to hear every single year ? ......."

    Straw man! Ute fans don't have preseason "Pac-12 Champs" chatter. The only person I know of that talks about Utah being a shoo-in Pac-12 champion isn't a Ute fan, but rather an indy-WACer. Don't confuse Ute fans with 65TossPowderPuff's preseason predictions.

    Fail.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    June 17, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    azzy ute,
    Are you talking about the same ol" pac12 champs" in July chatter that we have come to expect to hear every single year ? .......

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 17, 2019 3:54 p.m.

    Bobby Peru -

    re: Cougars Claws: "Sol-Jay is a giant get for BYU. He had a dozen or so scholarship offers, including from the mighty Utes. "

    "He chose BYU for his religious association to the school and they will continue to occasionally get those players; nothing wrong with that."

    That was simply ONE of the reason Sol-Jay chose BYU over Utah.

    Only a jealous Ute fan would try to claim that was the sole reason he chose BYU, because the reasons players choose a particular school are as varied as the players themselves.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 17, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    @pacmidmajor - Springville, UT

    "Current 2020 Colllege Football Rankings ... BYU comes in at # 50 and the u comes in a #106 ... Now i really do not put a whole lot of stock in this as i do realize that last chance u will pick up some very late recruits when recruits exhaust all of their options only to find out that the u is the only school in the nation that they can actually get in to ....."
    ----------------------------------

    Ah, recruiting in July. Just the right time to break out some of the old classic "BYU narratives".

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    June 17, 2019 3:41 p.m.

    Ya know dnews moderators, you should look at your rules and guidelines for posting on threads. Why do you let the same Ute fans post their ilk and hate? And everyone knows who the same 5 to 7 people are.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    June 17, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    Current 2020 Colllege Football Rankings ... BYU comes in at # 50 and the u comes in a #106 ... Now i really do not put a whole lot of stock in this as i do realize that last chance u will pick up some very late recruits when recruits exhaust all of their options only to find out that the u is the only school in the nation that they can actually get in to .....

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 17, 2019 2:12 p.m.

    Congratulations to these young men. Hopefully they are coached up to realize their full potential. BSU has sent a boat load of 3-star recruits to the NFL. It pains this Vandal to admit it, but they do a great job of developing talent. Here's hoping BYU can do the same.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 17, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    @utahby6

    "Apparently my fellow Ute fans didn't read that Utah wanted him too."

    Utah stopped recruiting him about 6 months ago. He didn't develop the way the coaches hoped, so they stopped recruiting. It's OK - happens all the time. Good luck to this young man at BYU-P.

  • utahby6 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    Good pick ups for BYU. Apparently my fellow Ute fans didn't read that Utah wanted him too. Sure the comments would be different if he had picked red instead of blue. I wish you all good luck, glad Kilani is heading in the right direction.

  • Squirtle ,
    June 17, 2019 12:44 p.m.

    @ArizonaUte

    I appreciate your comments. Very honest and fair and respectful. BYU's recruiting has dropped off over the last 3-4 years, but usually hovered in the 40's. I say they need to get back there consistently before we get too carried away.

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    June 17, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    Cougar fan here but one that respects the Utes and look at the rivalry fairly rationally, I think.

    Good pickups for the Y. I hope they both reach their potential on the field and in the classroom. As far as the rivalry, Utah is whipping our tails in every aspect. Until that changes, Cougar fans would do well to just acknowledge that and keep cheering for our Cougs.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    Stay woke and get yoked cougs!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    @Some.BYU.Dude - Mesa, AZ

    "I've read about the difference between ESPN, 247 and Rivals on star ratings, and my favorite was on reddit there was a discussion about it, and someone said.....,

    "I think the most accurate and best is whichever agrees with my preconceived notions.""
    ------------------------------

    That is so "it" for all of us really. After the 5 star and 4 star kids, it's not really super accurate.

    Not sure if you remember the small scandal that happened last yr? Some kids hacked a few services and created fake profiles of players who didn't exist. The fake profiles received 3 star ratings due to reported number. Site unseen.

    i.e. anyone can report numbers that aren't real, and in this case for players who weren't real, and get rated as a 3* rating.

    Utah has their own rating system. I assume Sitake uses it or a modified version of it. They want to see the kids, talk with the kids, then look at film on the kids.

    I trust Whitt and the Utah evaluations and if Utah wants them, I then want them regardless of stars. And, now, so do many other programs once Utah has made an offer. USC chief among them.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 17, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    Well, the truth cannot be told as to whY BYu cannot get the speedy players......

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 17, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    Oh my, the BYu DNEWS mods just nuked many of my posts........they must have gotten a call from the LDS 1st Presidency.......? I don't fit their narrative! That is a sure thing.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    Wow
    BYU haters spewing venom and demonstrating a major BYU inferiority complex on this article.
    These 2 players must be really good.

    The truth is that BYU signs several players each recruiting class who have offers from the chicken hawks up north, including one of the two in this article. They also sign several players who have many other pee 5 offers. BYU is also pretty racially diverse compared to the average football team in all conferences in the West.

    BYU has not beaten Utah for 7 or 8 years. That is why I have a hard time understanding why certain posters are so obsessed with BYU still. Personal problems I guess.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    @bemorefair - , 00

    Sitake is a good recruiter overall. And these could be some good ones too. So, I say congrats. Always nice to get some commits!!

    Don't know if the "winds of change" are indeed blowing through the state, however.

    Let's see how the recruiting classes shape up by the end. It's still early.

    Over the last 5 yrs, BYU has averaged the #68th recruiting class in the nation. with the last two being #78 (2018 class) and #81 (2019 class) in the nation, respectively.

    They did have a #49 class mixed in. And the transfer portal has been a good thing for Sitake it seems.

    Utah averaged #38 ranked recruiting class the last 5 yrs. And Whitt is also taking advantage of the new transfer structure.

    We will see how it all works out. But Hey!! Good new is good new. And BYU just got some.

    So, congrats again.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    June 17, 2019 11:32 a.m.

    Sounds great. Looks like we’re getting some fine young men, with some speed, a nice compliment to the “big uglies” as I think the linemen like to be called.

    That said, this is June. Fans and alums from about 115 college teams see their team winning 90% of their games come the fall. This season’s schedule offers a steep climb for the Cougs. Let’s see how we do against Utah, USC, Wash, Tenn, Boise St and others. With our QB, our O line, our depth at RB, our pass catchers (tho yet unproven except for TE) and our D, we might surprise some people.

    Go Cougs!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 17, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    @ Carpboy,

    9 BYu football losses in-a-row to Utah is truly "embarrassing." But, Utah is a pretty good team these days.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 17, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    @ some BYu dude,

    You are challenging Naval Vet with hypothetical superstitions and dare quote Gary Patterson? That is not brave, rather "disturbed" blather within utter fantasy. Oh my goodness, Y fan?

    Do U know what is "TRUE" dear saint..........when the Y plays against better teams, their athletes are faster and far better. BYu cannot beat okay teams with a winning record/ranked because their players are not good enough. It is that simple......"TRUE!"

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Some.Midmajor.Forever:

    "Jerry Hughes was a two star and he’s been one of the best defensive players in the NFL. Andy Dalton was a two-star..."

    And so were Alex Smith and Eric Weddle. But what does that have anything to do with ybU-p?. I always love hearing from you indy-WACers how a few success stories of former 2-star athletes now playing in the NFL justifies your recruiting strategy of maintaining your "2-star bonanza". Because between Utah, TCU, and your indy-irrelevant, WACish and midmajor, 2-star haven, nobody hauls in more 2-star kids than you guys! So if 2-star kids are such a rousing success...

    ...where are all your NFL guys?

    Good luck with your "2-star bonanza". It's your "brand".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    Gruncle Ralph:

    "Thx Navel for checking in and doing your part to ensure all things BYU continue to dominate the local media market for fan interest, readership and click traffic online in Utah sports."

    Well if THAT's true, then thank YOU for checking in, and doing YOUR part to ensure that I continue to be one of the dominate interest of cougar fans, readership, and click traffic in Utah sports.

    See how THAT works little bro? It goes both ways.

    Good luck with your "2-star bonanza". It's your "brand".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    Some.Midmajor.Forever:

    "Tomorrow if Rivals ranked Utah low, and 247 ranked Utah as #1, 247 would be your most accurate and best resource, I'm sure."

    Then you would be mistaken. I choose rivals because they had been independently rated as the "most accurate" of all recruit rating sources. So until 247 overtakes Rivals -- which will be determined by independent raters, not me -- Rivals it is.

    How frustrating it must be for you to see that I'd never cited any recruit rating source other than Rivals.

    Good luck with your "2-star bonanza". It's your "brand".

  • Carpboy ,
    June 17, 2019 10:56 a.m.

    My gosh ute fans are embarrassing

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 17, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    I checked the facts on these guys too:

    Solid at their position: ✔️
    Love the school they committed to: ✔️
    Star rankings accurate: ✔️
    Riles up all blue-blooded humans: ✔️

    Yep, they're a great fit. Keep it up coaches!

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Nobody is freaking out. It's a good pickup, and that's fine. Nobody is saying he's going to be the next Tom Brady. Chill.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    June 17, 2019 10:42 a.m.

    @Naval_Vet

    I've read about the difference between ESPN, 247 and Rivals on star ratings, and my favorite was on reddit there was a discussion about it, and someone said, "I think the most accurate and best is whichever agrees with my preconceived notions." I think that describes you and most Ute fans the best. Seems to be that with everything. Whichever gives Utah the best and BYU the lowest is the best resource in everything, haha. Tomorrow if Rivals ranked Utah low, and 247 ranked Utah as #1, 247 would be your most accurate and best resource, I'm sure.

    Honestly, there are so many variables that even quantifying "most accurate" is worthless. 2* on Rivals, 3* on 247. Aight, let's move on. He's a player that will contribute to the university and has pro potential. Cool beans. I think Gary Patterson put it best: I don’t care what anybody else thinks; if I’m recruiting them it doesn’t matter what the stars say. Jerry Hughes was a two star and he’s been one of the best defensive players in the NFL. Andy Dalton was a two-star but had we been in the Big 12 they probably would’ve both been four-stars.They were four stars to me but they were just two stars to whoever ranked them.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    As good of a QB prospect as Maiava is he sounds like an even greater young man. Great job to Kalanai and staff (Arod and Fesi) for locking him up. 5 p5 offers currently and with time left before NLI day he will surely get more. Kalani is building quite the QB pipeline at BYU.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    @navel lint

    I just checked. Per Rivals -- the "most accurate" of all recruit rating sources -- Downing only got 2 stars.

    So 9 recruits...8 of whom were deemed "2 star" athletes. It's another "2-star bonanza" down there in the bubble!

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    Thx Navel for checking in and doing your part to ensure all things BYU continue to dominate the local media market for fan interest, readership and click traffic online in Utah sports.

    (haha...and Ute fans wonder why they barely get mentioned by their local media)

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 17, 2019 10:24 a.m.

    As many Y fans boast today after a couple okay recruits, just remember that "Sheriff Sitake" and the alleged "Kalani effect" has proven to be a total recruiting bust so far. Look at the rankings, de-commits, players transferring/retiring, etc.........and all the good ones they get are ardent LDS, few others.

    BYu exhibition games as an "indy," no real decent bowl opportunity, Provo, Utah, poor coaches that nobody else wants........how can they recruit really good players to decent competitive depth?......the Y cannot.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2019 10:18 a.m.

    I just checked. Per Rivals -- the "most accurate" of all recruit rating sources -- Downing only got 2 stars.

    So 9 recruits...8 of whom were deemed "2 star" athletes. It's another "2-star bonanza" down there in the bubble!

    #CougarTradition

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    Cougars Claws: "Sol-Jay is a giant get for BYU. He had a dozen or so scholarship offers, including from the mighty Utes. "

    He chose BYU-P for his religious association to the school and they will continue to occasionally get those players; nothing wrong with that. Jake Heaps and Tanner magnum did the same thing.

  • bemorefair , 00
    June 17, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    Kalani & Co. are really getting it done with recruiting lately. It will take a couple more years to get to where they want to be, but you could see last year that was an upgrade in talent happening along the lines and among the skill positions. Combined with good coaching, the wins will come sooner or later. It's only a matter of time.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    June 17, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    WOW !! The Cougs are Turning the Corner a lot sooner than even i thought that they would ... Huge things coming to Cougar Football in the very near future !!

  • Peaches n Cream Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    BYU's 2020 recruiting class is off to a good start.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 17, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    Sol-Jay is a giant get for BYU. He had a dozen or so scholarship offers, including from the mighty Utes.

    Welcome to BYU! The QB pipeline just got a little better.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 17, 2019 8:10 a.m.

    The 2019 Brigham Young recruiting class ranked 81st. So far, 2020 is ranked 54th, but it's early.

    It looks like recruiting is heading in the right direction based on that snapshot. Still a long way to go to the CFP.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    June 17, 2019 7:00 a.m.

    A couple of really nice pick ups for the Cougs. Quality young men. Let the disparaging comments from certain Ute faithful begin!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    June 17, 2019 6:38 a.m.

    I Love seeing quality young men commit to BYU, and these two look like solid players and good dudes. I hope both of these guys have success on the field and earn their degrees. Congrats to both for earning D-1 scholarships to a great school!

  • bemorefair , 00
    June 17, 2019 6:22 a.m.

    BYU keeps getting one big recruit after another. Kalani is getting it done off the field. It sure feels like the tide is turning. I don't know at what point the recruiting efforts will turn into actual wins on the field, but the winds of change are indeed blowing through the state. Welcome to the band of brothers, Sol-Jay and Devin.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 17, 2019 4:33 a.m.

    Two good pickups for BYU! Welcome to the Y!!!!!!!!

    Rise up!
    Go Cougs!
    Roar of the ROC!!!!!!!!

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    June 17, 2019 12:02 a.m.

    Terrific! Good news.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:40 p.m.

    More quality young men giving us fans more things to cheer for. Welcome to Provo.