Pompeo tries rallying foreign leaders in alleged oil attacks

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  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 4:54 p.m.

    Freiheit: “If Trump's policy is so fantastically successful, how is it that even with the Lincoln carrier group on hand tankers are attacked, and their owners, US allies don't agree with our assessments [sic]?”

    This is a self-contradictory question. If they don’t agree with our assessment that Iran attacked them, then how can it be used as evidence that the policies aren’t working? On the one hand you are asking why Iran attacked ships, but in the next clause questioning that it was Iran.

    Also, the Gulf of Oman and the Persian Gulf are double the size of Utah. A limpet mine is the size of a large turtle. If the only police happen to be in Salt Lake City and you are attacked in Las Vegas would you ask how that could happen?

    Freiheit: “Or that our response to send more troops -- where?”

    Cornered and desperate. Iran is going to lash out. Having a sizable presence there be a deterrent.

    Freiheit: “...Iran thumbs its nose and announces an increase in uranium processing.”

    Proof Iran is cornered. They have never publicly admitted this. It’s a sign of desperation. This is the only card they have and it’s a bad one. If they do work towards a nuke, Israel will hit them.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    Harrison:
    Nice try. If Trump's policy is so fantastically successful, how is it that even with the Lincoln carrier group on hand tankers are attacked, and their owners, US allies don't agree with our
    assesments? Or that our response to send more troops -- where? Or that with all our military and sanctions Iran thumbs its nose and announces an increase in uranium processing. America First and got it alone are hardly strategies that attract allies.

  • wanderer9641 N.S., 00
    June 18, 2019 4:09 a.m.

    Never send warhawks to talk peace. The whole Iranian affair stinks of false flags and banker/MIC manipulations.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 2:59 a.m.

    Craig Clark: “Then pulling out of the treaty was a horrendous blunder to begin with.”

    It was actually brilliant. Iran’s economy is now in a death spiral. The US has caused this all while they have maintained the JCPoA with Europe. Now they have only two choices, abandon the deal, which would put Europe on the side of the US and make the noose even tighter, or beg for a new deal which will be much tougher than Obama’s disaster JCPoA which only emboldened Iran.

    Under Obama, they would charge Navy ships with fast attack craft, buzz fighter jets with drones, and even shine lasers at helicopters operating at sea. The most embarrassing incident happened in January 2016, when Iran’s navy seized two Navy boats with 10 sailors. They broadcast footage across the country of the sailors crying in detention.

    All of that has now stopped. Additionally, they have told their terrorist organizations to look elsewhere for funding, because things are so bad economically. The bully of the Middle East had been punched right in the face and is stunned. They don’t dare pick a fight with the US now, and the more they lash out at others, the more the world will stand behind the USA.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 17, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron,
    "Pompeo is not rallying foreign leaders to attack Iran militarily. He is rallying support for even tighter economic sanctions."
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    Then pulling out of the treaty was a horrendous blunder to begin with. Our closest allies have been left holding the bag and with the U.S. as the prime mover in getting them to sign on, they now don't know how far to trust us anymore. Stupid. Really stupid.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    Pompeo is not rallying foreign leaders to attack Iran militarily. He is rallying support for even tighter economic sanctions. We don't have to go to war with them. Time is one our side. Iran's economy is in a death spiral. As the noose is tightening, Iran will continue to lash out in desperation. As they do, international support will grow, the noose will get tighter and they will become more desperate. This may get uglier before it gets better.

    However, Iran's only real ally, North Korea has also been put in box, so they are left pretty much isolated. If we squeeze long and hard enough, the Islamic Republic will crumble. My fear is Trump will make a new deal before that happens. But either way, Iran is going to be brought to its knees.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    June 17, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    unrepentant progressive - Bozeman, MT
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    IMHO, this all stinks to high heaven. No matter how you slice and dice it, the problems in this part of the world are intractable.
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    The Middle East is a global problem. The oil which it supplies to the world is an essential element in the world economy.

    The US and the Soviet Union filled the power gap left by the evacuation of the French and British from the region in the post WWII era. After the fall of the Soviet Empire, that left the US.

    The antiglobalist sentiment that Trump and Co. have advocated, this is the result that has come home to roost. Nations are not going to ally with the US when they can't be assured of consistent policy. Obama negotiated an agreement with Iran, leading a coalition of nations, and strength in numbers.

    Trump has reneged on that agreement, leading to Iran resuming its nuclear dreams potentially (just like North Korea), and the sanctions that the Trump is calling for or unilaterally imposing, like the tariffs are doomed.

    Trump is incapable of setting realistic policy, and his supporters have apparently no clue about how the US is viewed internationally, and that the US can not 'go it alone'.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 17, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    Freiheit,
    "What's next, WMDs in Iran?"
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    A timely reminder. How soon we often forget.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:05 p.m.

    scrappy do said: "Good luck with that .... appeasement is the life blood of Europe.. if we pulled out of NATO on Monday the Russians would be in Paris by Tuesday. Even if we caught the Iranians red handed Europe would not do a thing.

    Ignorance is strong with the donald fan boys, Europe without question aided America after 911, and fought along side us at their expense in Afghanistan.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    What's next, WMDs in Iran?

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    June 17, 2019 10:59 a.m.

    Good luck with that .... appeasement is the life blood of Europe.. if we pulled out of NATO on Monday the Russians would be in Paris by Tuesday

    Even if we caught the Iranians red handed Europe would not do a thing

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 17, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    IMHO, this all stinks to high heaven. No matter how you slice and dice it, the problems in this part of the world are intractable. This area is quick sand, quick sand that has drained our national treasury and wounded our nation's soul. Yet here we go again, playing favorites with the Saudis and demonizing the Shia dominated countries. Not only that beginning the creation of justification for yet more war here.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 17, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    I hope this isn't a buildup of some kind. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    June 17, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    Does Putin like the activity in the Straits? I would say Trump is his worst enemy. What has Trump done for Putin? I would say let those that use the Strait take care of their own ships.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 17, 2019 8:42 a.m.

    The civilized world has turned its back on this administration. The uncivilized world continues to play and use the Trump administration to destroy the structures and alliances that keep them at bay.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 17, 2019 8:28 a.m.

    Hey worf, you are starting to sound like a liberal.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 17, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    Trump spends 2 years insulting our long time allies, while sidling up to their #1 threat, Putin. He withdraws from agreements and pacts. He lies and goes back on his word. He has zero understanding of diplomacy or global politics. Now, Trump and his flunkies are surprised when our long term allies don't jump on the Trump train against Iran? They told him not to withdraw from the Nuke agreement and that something like this would happen. This is Trump's causing, they'll let Trump deal with it on his own.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 17, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    He's having trouble convincing them because most leaders of other nations are actually intelligent.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    June 16, 2019 10:47 p.m.

    The message from this administration has been one part "if you can't help us, we won't help you" and the other part "If you don't help us, we will use tariffs to make you help us".

    Talking about mutual benefits and cooperation is something for the next administration.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 9:30 p.m.

    “The U.S. Energy Information Administration says 16 percent of U.S. petroleum imports came from the Persian Gulf countries in 20189”

    Why are we spending money we do not have to keep the straits open for the 84% who use it?

    China invests their money in infrastructure and in their economy while we strut around the Middle East using borrowed money.

    We have enough problems closer to home rather than obsessing about the Middle East .

    Look at Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 16, 2019 7:28 p.m.

    Time for other countries to handle these problems.