New York ends religious exemption to vaccine mandates

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  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    June 17, 2019 7:57 p.m.

    @Fubijag: “Notice especially the part about "PROMOTE the General Welfare" not PROVIDE. it may only be 3 letters different but the meanings are very different.”

    Requiring vaccines certainly promotes the general welfare.

    In fact, the correct wording supports my point better than my too-hurried misquote.

    Thanks.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 6:39 p.m.

    doctorguber: “removing a religious exemption in order coerce parents into giving something to their kid they disagree with is not the way to go…”

    I’m all about freedom, parental choice and keeping government out of as much as possible. But some freedoms are mutually exclusive. For example, my freedom to store 10,000 gallons of gasoline on my property (because my religion says a Zombie Apocalypse is coming) conflicts with my neighbors rights to live in a safe neighborhood. I’m still free to store 10,000 gallons of gasoline. I would just have to do it where I don’t put others at risk. .

    Nobody is forcing these parents to vaccinate their children. For example, they may choose to home-school their children. But doesn’t the rest of society have the right send their kids to school with the expectation that they will not be exposed to vaccine preventable diseases? No vaccine is 100% effective. We rely on herd immunity to protect the small percentage of people who don’t seroconvert. But herd immunity only works if a very high percentage of population is vaccinated. Schools are where the kids are and thus where these disease spread.

  • Fubijag West Jordan, UT
    June 17, 2019 2:42 p.m.

    @Ginger
    "As far as so-called Constitutional arguments: Provide for the general health and welfare seems to cover it."

    It has obviusly been awhile since you looked at the constitution so here is the Preamble for you so you will not continue to misquote it.

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Notice especially the part about "PROMOTE the General Welfare" not PROVIDE. it may only be 3 letters different but the meanings are very different.

  • doctorguber salt lake, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:09 p.m.

    Although I frequently get frustrated with the anti-vaccination movement, removing a religious exemption is government overreach. Yes people use the religious exemption inappropriately but doesn’t mean we should get rid of it.
    Even though I think anti-vax parents are poorly informed, removing a religious exemption in order coerce parents into giving something to their kid they disagree with is not the way to go.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 16, 2019 11:39 a.m.

    No freedoms are being taken away. Those with religious objections to vaccinations still have the choice to not vaccinate. It's all about choices, but your healthcare choices for your children shouldn't jeopardize other children's health.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    June 16, 2019 5:32 a.m.

    During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year.

    My mom spent 4 years in rehab learning to walk after contracting polio in ‘52.

    I was born in ‘60, oldest of 6. We all got the polio vaccine... I don’t know anyone my age or younger who got it the disease. Generations have now been protected.

    Go to any older cemetery. Note the number of baby and child graves before the 1960s. Compare to after that divide of providing vaccines.

    Kids aren’t dying of childhood diseases.

    As far as so-called Constitutional arguments: Provide for the general health and welfare seems to cover it.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 2:26 a.m.

    J2: “The government has no role in forcing me to vaccinate either myself or my kids.”

    That’s not happening. As a society we have decided that we don’t want any Typhoid Mary types in the classroom. It just kind of stinks to have an entire school shut down because of an outbreak of something that could have been prevented. And it's even worse if your kid was one of the few who did not develop immunity after getting vaccinated and gets really sick or dies.

    J2: ‘The "right to not get sick" is not a natural right. Therefore, the government has no business trying to protect it.’

    Therefore, anyone has the right to grow Anthrax spores and spread them around like pixie dust?
    There are many things we as a society justly require for participation. We require that you undergo competency training before driving on the roads. We require that you have even more training before flying a plane. Generally speaking, anything that puts all of the rest of us at risk unnecessarily we put restriction on participation. Unvaccinated kids spreading dangerous and preventable diseases around the classroom is just unacceptable (we don’t even let kids spread head-lice if we can prevent it).

  • Frozen Fractals Paducah, KY
    June 15, 2019 10:54 p.m.

    It's like indoor smoking bans because of secondhand smoke issues. This is something that through your action (or more to the point for vaccines inaction) can harm others.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    June 15, 2019 8:54 p.m.

    "I'm not aware of anything in the Torah, the Bible, the Koran or anything else that suggests you should not get vaccinated"

    Jeffrey Dinowitz has apparently chosen ignorance. There are various assortments and formulations of vaccinations by different manufacturers.

    There are widely known mainstream religious principles regarding blood, meat, flesh (both animal and human), and ritual processing standards --- that have direct application to many common formulations.

  • J2 Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:58 p.m.

    Unfortunately, too many think this debate is about health care. However, they are foolishly trying to move the goalposts.

    Like any public policy debate, this one too is based on what the proper role of government should be. This consideration trumps all other considerations, every time. Our Consitution and Bill of Rights help us understand the proper role of government.

    Based on those founding documents, there is simply no other philosophically consistent position to take than this: The government has no role in forcing me to vaccinate either myself or my kids.

    The "right to not get sick" is not a natural right. Therefore, the government has no business trying to protect it.

    Those who are not able to vaccinate due to medical reasons should take responsibility for the risks their health conditions present them with. We expect this of others whose immune systems are weakened (we encourage them not to go out in public), so then, why is it different for the "vaccine-risky?"

    For being the "land of the free," we sure seem to enjoy taking away people's freedoms.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    Instead of forcing vaccinations, some form of quarantine could be an alternative.

  • Nosea Forest Grove, OR
    June 15, 2019 7:09 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron - Salt Lake City, UT:

    Have you ever heard of "The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)?" This government site which tracks injuries and deaths, even with its gross under counting (only like 1% of cases reported), clearer shows at least a death from vaccines weekly, and many experts say deaths daily occurring from vaccines. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund was set up in 1988 and nearly went broke with settlements to 10,000s of autism injury cases per year alone.

    Do you ever wonder why a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), a somewhat secret court, is in place to address vaccine injuries, awarding billions of dollars to those injured from vaccines (10,000s of those autism cases), while vaccine manufactures are ensured immunity from prosecution by law?

  • RedShirt_CollegeofHardknocks Dearborn, MI
    June 15, 2019 6:43 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted

    “Nobody should ever tell a woman what to do with her body.”

    Apples and MMR.

    No one is telling anyone what to do with their bodies. However, voluntarily unvaccinated kids present an unacceptable risk to other children who cannot be vaccinated. If you don’t want to vaccinate your kids because of religious reasons, then don’t. Do so, though, with the understanding that you will be responsible for finding alternatives to educate your kids; they will not be allowed in public school.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 6:42 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted

    “Yet again the lefties prove they are without principles.

    Nobody should ever tell a woman what to do with her body....unless it is to force her to accept medications she doesn't want.”

    You logic is failing. If a woman decides with her doctor to get an abortion, she is not endangering those around her by needlessly spreading measles or polio.

    Try again.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    June 15, 2019 5:32 p.m.

    If you are conducting your research on Google or experimenting on your own kids, you might want to compare your conclusions to the conclusions reached by the American Academy of Pediatrics (a group of also highly educated people who also care a lot about the heath of their own children and their patients) just to see if you are on the same page.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 15, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    Yet again the lefties prove they are without principles.

    Nobody should ever tell a woman what to do with her body....unless it is to force her to accept medications she doesn't want.

    The same people who demand government mandated vaccines for mild illnesses like chicken pox would scream to high heaven if government mandated quarantines or use of condoms to reduce the spread of deadly illnesses like HIV/AIDS or Hep C.

    I'm pro-vaccine. I think the work. I am convinced enough they work, that having been vaccinated, I'm not scared of those who haven't been. I'm immune so I don't worry about whether someone else has the illness.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    June 15, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    IA Law, Do you see any similarities or differences between requiring parents to use car seats for the their children and requiring parents to immunize their children? Both requirements are based on research. Both limit the personal autonomy of the parent. Both can cause risks to a child's health in extreme circumstances. Both are good for society and for individuals.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 15, 2019 3:10 p.m.

    "I'm not aware of anything in the Torah, the Bible, the Koran or anything else that suggests you should not get vaccinated."

    Nor is there anything that says you should vaccinate. People who oppose vaccination are not unlettered, ignorant savages. We are often highly educated, which is why we do our own research and come to the conclusion that we are harming our children rather than helping them.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 3:07 p.m.

    Nosea: “So the government can now mandate that we have to kill and maim our children with vaccines, and the slaves cheer on this ultimate encroachment on our freedoms?”

    You are badly misinformed. Nobody is mandating that children get vaccinated. Children can still go unvaccinated and be home-schooled. You are free to put your own children at risk of these diseases, but you have no right to spread these diseases to others. Your freedom to act irresponsibly ends when it affects me. If people choose to get drunk, that’s their problem. If they choose to drive and hit me, it’s now my problem. Freedom doesn’t give people the right to harm others.

    Nosea: “There is a reason vaccines have effectively no serious safety studies done on them.”

    You could not have made a more uninformed statement. Some of the largest safety studies ever done have been done on vaccines. There is post-approval safety surveillance of every vaccine on the market.

    Nosea: “People are dying everyday [sic] and being made autistic from vaccines…”

    Complete nonsense. Many years ago the CDC completed the largest study ever done and found that if anything vaccines would be considered protective against autism.

  • Birdman1990 Mapleton, UT
    June 15, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    Want to talk rights eh? in the highly religious state I live in, I don’t have the right to walk into a store and buy cannabis like I do just 175 miles to the east. I guess it’s only religious rights that matter.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    June 15, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    These parents are afraid of Big Pharma when it comes to vaccinating their kids but absolutely turn to them when it comes to their own health care.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    The government says you are free to believe the idiotic conspiracy theories, but you cant inflict them on other people.

  • RedShirt_CollegeofHardknocks Dearborn, MI
    June 15, 2019 11:38 a.m.

    Excellent! Now let’s get after hiding behind religion to deny government and for profit services to groups the religiously inclined don’t like. Follow up with denying businesses the ability to use religion to make private medical decisions for their employees.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 15, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    "'People came to this country to get away from exactly this kind of stuff,' Yung said ahead of Thursday's votes."

    People have also come to this country to get away from your kind of stuff, Mr. Yung.

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    June 15, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    I struggle where to draw the line. Religious considerations are important. But religious beliefs have been used to the point of abuse, and I don't think there is much room for "accommodation" with the threat to the rest of the country and world. We should eradicate this disease.

    The Swiss model for military deferments is to impose a very severe tax on those who will not serve. Perhaps that is a model that could be explored for vaccinations. It would separate out those with real religious convictions from those who are focused on discredited "scientists".

  • IAlaw Council Bluffs, IA
    June 15, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    This development and the comments on this article are sad. It's not about whether vaccines are a good thing. This is about personal autonomy and the right to determine what one will or will not take into their body.

    There are many things that I think are for the good of society, but that doesn't mean I think they should be legally mandated. The arrogance (and, truly, the ignorance) of those embracing this is disheartening.

  • Nosea Forest Grove, OR
    June 15, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    So the government can now mandate that we have to kill and maim our children with vaccines, and the slaves cheer on this ultimate encroachment on our freedoms? There is a reason vaccines have effectively no serious safety studies done on them. People are dying everyday and being made autistic from vaccines and the plebes are cheering the masters on in this sinister scheming. We now celebrate our loss of freedom, really? Amazing, what our nation has turned into.

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    Another victory for sanity!

    Let's continue to reign in superstition and gullibility as humanity progresses in reason and education.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    Should read:

    “New York ends time travel to 1300s”

  • drich Green River, UT
    June 15, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    It's proven vaccines work....should end all exemptions for the well being of all children in our schools and work places.