These people want you to be ashamed of flying. Should you change your vacation plans?

A Swedish movement to reduce air travel is getting worldwide attention as the summer vacation season begins. What's the most ethical way to travel, and could 'flight shame' become a thing here?

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  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    June 17, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    It seems ironic to me that these protestors are traveling by any means from one country to others to protest. Don't they know that travel by train (or any means) is environmentally unfriendly as well? Why not just stay home and protest on facebook, twitter, etc? After all, actions speak louder than words.

    The same goes for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and company. While Ocasio-Cortez champions the “Green New Deal” and wants to ban hamburgers, air travel and cars, during a recent appearance in New York, she traveled just a few blocks in a gas-guzzling SUV instead of taking the subway.

    Apparently only regular Americans are the ones who are supposed to make diet and lifestyle sacrifices to combat so-called “climate change.”

    Elites like Ocasio-Cortez have no problem generating a larger carbon footprint if it means not being inconvenienced.

  • SBT Payson, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    Carbon Dioxide is it is an absolutely essential nutrient for all plant life on earth and at 400 parts per million of the atmosphere it is much closer to causing all plant life to be malnourished than the levels high enough for optimal plant growth.

    Why should anybody believe what the 16 year old daughter of an actor has to say; especially one who is protesting by skipping 20% of school each week. Stop skipping school and start learning some actual facts, especially facts about physics and chemistry that describe that is actually happening in a greenhouse situation.

  • SBT Payson, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    I have to wonder if these scientists have ever actually been in a greenhouse and have the slightest clue as to why they get hot inside.

    A greenhouse gets hot because it allows the energy from sunlight to enter it where the photons strike the contents, which then heat up and transfers that heat to the air molecules inside. The transparent covering of the greenhouse then PREVENTS the air inside from mixing with the air outside by blocking the convection currents. The greenhouse covering also minimizes heat transfer by conduction because of the insulating nature of the transparent covering and dead airspace between multiple layers of that covering.

    The entire atmosphere only contains about 4/100th's of a single percent of Carbon Dioxide and although that CO2 does absorb energy from the sun, it then re-radiates it back out just like every water molecule, every speck of land or anything else other than the nitrogen and oxygen that the photos pass through. There is no way it can create a greenhouse effect because it can't block convection currents in the atmosphere, nor does it create an insulating barrier to block the conduction of energy between other molecules.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 17, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    It's funny to see the O3 "hole" referenced. I mean if we are going to talk about bad science I guess talking about O3 is fine. Some claim that the O3 problem is solved. some claim it's not. Some claim that the results of the Montreal accords are actually causing global warming - oh the humanity! Our environmental solutions are causing environmental catastrophe.

    A few fun facts:
    - Chlorine (Cl) is the O3 destroying demon.
    - for every Cl Molecule released by a CFC atom 60,000 O2 Molecules are released according to NAOAA
    - Mt Eberus spews 100 times more Cl than all man made sources in the world. Unlike heavier than air CFCs the super heated gas goes high into the atmosphere. Eberus is only one of many active volcanoes. Hmm...
    - O3 is only a byproduct of UV radiation from the sun hitting the O2 in our atmosphere. If all the O3 was gone today, it would be back tomorrow.
    - O3 does not protect us from UV radiation. O2 interacting with UV does. So if all the oxygen goes away then the UV rays from the sun will kill us - except that we will all be dead from O2 deprivation.

    Point - bad science abounds. Warming is not even proven, much less man made warming.

  • rexwhitmer , 00
    June 17, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    Isn't it wonderful that so many persons dwelling on planet Earth are so wise? Each one of these "experts" is certain that earth is on it's way to extinction, and only THEY know how to save it from it's horrible fate! It's so sad that that number is so very small, percentage wise, and it is left up to them to run through our streets screaming, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" What's even sadder, is that this malady has been occurring since mankind began it's existence on Earth! Thirty years ago the oceans were frozen, or had swelled up, wiping all our costal habitations off the earth! A few years later, there would be no "Ocean Front Space" on any of our sea coasts, because the oceans were dried up! What genius's! We must all reveer them and seek their counsel!

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    June 17, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    Good thing I don't have to worry about flying, I can't afford to fly anyway.

    That said I get tired of Europeans thinking the rest of the world is like their country. The United States is huge with a lot of vast and empty landscapes. Rail travel is simply not a viable alternative for us here. It's the same thing as when Europeans talk about how American don't travel to other counties enough. That's an easy stance to have when you can drive for half a day and be in another country in Europe. In the United states you can drive for 4 solid days and not leave the country.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 17, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    In Europe, people have a clear choice to take a train instead of an airplane, and trains work well too. Would be nice if we in the US could take more note of how well European transit works. Our stinks. Her message is mostly for those who have a choice.

    No need to be snarky about the Swedes. They do a lot of things better than we do.

    Interesting how we want to be great missionaries but when we get on comments boards we lose our manners.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 17, 2019 10:31 a.m.


    'If more gullible people buy into this nonsense....'

    I don't know who's being gullible here - seems like common sense that planes and automobiles put out carbon which isn't good for our lungs or the thin atmosphere all life depends on.

    Gullible are the people who won't believe science and who put their heads in the sand and say we can do whatever we like to our planet, without consequence.

    I don't think the answer is to not ever fly, but it is good to be protective of this precious planet we've been given (which I would think people of faith who read this paper would be in favor of).

  • Wyo_Jake Casper, WY
    June 17, 2019 10:26 a.m.

    The only permanent solution will be to reduce the human population of the Earth by 80-90 percent.

  • H. Fullmer Springville, UT
    June 17, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    I was just I’m Sweden. I thought the people were delightful. I must not have met her.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 17, 2019 8:08 a.m.

    I will fly more, and avoid Sweden.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    June 17, 2019 7:02 a.m.

    Interesting Actors are only educated in acting so they should not speak about climate change yet, you speak about the "Forests" an "Lake Bonneville " are you a scientist ? So whats the difference inwhat your doing to what Actors are doing ?

    On that note actual scientists who've dedicated there entire careers studying climate change. Have already spoken. Some who have moved to Greenland and study the polar ice caps melting, and factual evidence that global temps going up even NASA has confirmed this but some how the average person here is the expert.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:06 p.m.

    The last time activists wound up children this tight was the Children's Crusade in the early 13th century. The results were not good for the children. Thousands died trying to save a world they did not fully understand. There is a reason to finish school and learn to make your bed before you try to change the world.

  • cdj Delta, Ut
    June 16, 2019 10:01 p.m.

    here we have a 16 year old girl who has no clue about the cyclical nature of our planet. To think that mankind has caused global warming is a joke. What caused the end of the ice age and the ice to recede from the northern parts of the United states to where it is now? We are on the end of a cycle and at some point, it will begin to cool down again, and we will be complaining about all of the ice forming. It's cyclical... although we wont be here when it cools. Think about the forests that used to be in Wyoming, Montana, Utah that is now coal. What happened? What about lake Bonnevile which is gone now? There must have been some major climate change to cause that? Did man cause that? NO. So consider the source. Any Actor or celebrity is just that. An Actor or Celebrity. It doesnt make them an expert on climate change. They have money and get air time. But consider the source, their job is to ACT. What did they study before acting? ACTING. They are not scientists and have no credibility when it comes to climate change. Their job is to entertain, and sell products. PERIOD. Why do we listen to them? So keep on flying and consider the source...

  • cdj Delta, Ut
    June 16, 2019 9:31 p.m.

    swartzy1 - Weatherford, TX - stated the problem the best when he mentioned the ice age, and where we are at now. What caused the ice age, and what caused the global warming that melted the ice age and put us where we are right now? we are at the tail end of an ice age, and man kind had nothing to do with it....

  • Frozen Fractals Paducah, KY
    June 16, 2019 8:32 p.m.

    "I, personally, think that meaningful environmental impact is made on a micro level"

    Well it's not. It'd be nice if it were but the problems are too big for that. It's only through systemic change that we can accomplish things like dealing with the ozone hole problem (by banning CFCs) or dealing with urban air pollution (not completely but major progress compared to the frequent smog in decades past) with regulations and cleaner technologies.

    Yes, the sun has been quiet... and yet we are warming. Why do you think that is? And no, the claim isn't that we control the weather (wouldn't that be nice? the forecast would never be wrong and Utah could never have a bad ski season), it's that the warming of the planet in modern times, which is virtually all attributed to human causes, is resulting in shifting odds of various weather phenomena occurring like heat waves and floods.

  • fp88ren Providence, UT
    June 16, 2019 6:45 p.m.

    And we give news coverage and credence to the opinions of 16 year olds because...?

    Unfortunate. All this story does is fan the flames of false outrage for every marginally informed and educated youngster “activist” out there who has been told how “awesome” he or she is to inflict more insufferable dogma on the rest of us.

  • Jonsur Cibolo, TX
    June 16, 2019 4:32 p.m.

    It seems like this article is a subtle way to pick an extreme example and go see, people who think all of this climate change non-sense are crazy. They'll do things like shame you for taking a flight and let's make them look bad so we can see just how crazy climate change is. Forget the data and evidence that supports the idea of human activities impact climate change, look at these crazies we found in Sweden, and let's dismiss climate change solely because of one extreme example.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 16, 2019 4:28 p.m.

    And why should we listen to Greta anyway--thinking she's so smart just cuz she comes from a country that actually teaches their kids to understand science. Well, my kids were educated in the good old USA where we are entering the third decade of being one of the worst industrialized nations in the world at teaching our kids math and science and my kids want to fly to Disneyland!!!

  • cwwvc salt lake city, UT
    June 16, 2019 4:12 p.m.

    Virtual travel??? How do I get the job of going to all the beautiful places in the world and filming them?

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 16, 2019 2:54 p.m.

    Watch and see how people travel to the next convention on climate change. We'll know the moment it gets serious.

  • Justinstitches American Fork, UT
    June 16, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    That goal is fine for Europe. After all, it takes very little time to drive across Europe -whether by car or train. But in a places like the US, Canada, Russia, and Brazil those modes of transportation across the country just aren’t feasible. Of course, what’s the least environmentally impactful when traveling across oceans? Duh: air travel. Even if tourism stopped, there would still be necessary reasons for flying over vast oceans.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 16, 2019 1:52 p.m.

    Sometimes it's hard to roll your eyes enough...

  • eigerjoe Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    It is a very interesting irony. On one hand, many of the people who strongly believe that climate change is man-made also love to travel via air polluting airplanes. It creates a situation for them in which they have to make a difficult choice between two equally undesirable alternatives.
    Time to cancel the airline tickets or give up the climate change theories. You can't have it both ways.

  • Thinking_Clearly Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    Ummm, commercial airlines now use less energy and create less emissions per passenger mile than driving does.

    This kind of talk is pure insanity and has little to do with reality.

    But... if these people would rather walk I would be perfectly happy to have the seats open up so I never have to sit in the middle again!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    Just this week, my husband booked airline tickets to Paris to celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary this fall. Am I supposed to feel ashamed now? Guess I should have asked him to book the train to France. Oh, wait...

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    I've been following "the future of food" and other campaigns through the media for some time. There's a concerted effort to push us into a future where we eat a standardized diet consisting of highly processed vegan kibble with insect burgers and other "alternative proteins", live in shared small sized housing and never travel. Many of these ideas are being pushed by jet setting activists and celebrities, many of whom are extremely wealthy. Most of these campaigns involve lavish conferences all over the world, for instance, the 40 or so "Eat Lancet" events. The jet emissions from all the travel involved in all the conventions where they plan the bleak totalitarian future for the lower classes of the world would probably offset any benefit from shutting down all the world's food traditions to institute the mandatory "Planetary Health Diet." The hypocrisy is staggering, and yet those of us who do not want to march submissively into this dark uniform highly controlled existence are labeled as "selfish."

  • Tennislady SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:32 a.m.

    1700 lavish private jets flew participants to this Switzerland conference where Greta spoke.

  • Eli Tesecular PhD Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    To maintain a sufficient level of humiliation for my air travel, I fly only Southwest.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    June 16, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    These people won’t be happy until everyone is embarrassed to be alive, or having a healthy economy...

    Their logic is faulty. What are the alternatives for around 200+ people to flying?
    - 100+ cars.. worse
    - cruise ship.. much worse
    - electronic train.. just as bad.. slower.. more expensive to build... ask California..
    - greyhound bus.. 6 days of unwashed people... Hollywood will never do it.. why should I?
    - not go on vacation, or travel... and be as narrow minded as these people... they stay there and see if we care.. better..

  • wishiwaswrong Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    My last flight, with ridiculous airfares, 2 layovers, a missed connection from a late flight, endless lines and jumping through hoops for TSA, a lost bag, and 3 solid hours of a screaming 2 year-old, made a convert of me. I'll never fly again. And it has nothing to do with carbon dioxide.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 16, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    Scrolling through the vitriol and anger I wondered why. These people, the story goes, want you to be ashamed of flying. They're young and idealistic and concerned about manmade climate change; that's great.
    But you or I don't have to get all worked up about it. I'm not going to be ashamed of flying, or quit enjoying a burger, or whatever just because someone else wants me to. Their admonitions come with nothing that compels me to agree or comply. In a world where everyone gets a big stage we have to remember that we still get to interpret what we see on that stage. We're still actors on that stage, as well.

  • Red Smith , 00
    June 16, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    Leisure travel that pollutes and kills should be considered in a moral context as selfish.

    Burning a 100 gallons of gas to get a burger and fry over there instead of over here has health consequences and costs for all.

    Jet pollution is real nasty.

    We do travel too much. We entertain ourselves too much. We eat too much. Why aren't we living where we live?

  • swartzy1 Weatherford, TX
    June 16, 2019 9:49 a.m.

    I am amused by all the people that think they can control the weather here on earth Yes it makes me laugh. we need to keep the earth clean and neat where we can, but changing the weather is a joke. The sun controls much of what happens , it has been quiet, from spots etc, for quite a while, so how are you going to change that? Then we have El Nino and La Nina, Oh the winds, hurricanes and storms How do you stop wind? 2 questions, How did man cause the last ICE AGE? How did man cause the Shara Desert before the industrial revolution and fossil oils ? 1 more, How do we control volcanoes from spewing WE DON"T ,we have to learn to live with it than try to control it. It is a Hysterical Panic not a real issue. Clean up what you can, and get ready for change. The Fear of Climate Change is a way to control much of the world, and I don't agree with it, Lets get real and first get things all cleaned up, trash in the ocean, trash in our yards, and learning how to do it better, then we can attempt to ease our Panic by doing weird things to change the weather Yep that will be a fun thing to attempt and learn we aren't as strong as we think we are.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 9:11 a.m.

    “What's the most ethical way to travel...”

    The correct answer is neither. No self-respecting warm-Armageddonite would travel at all for leisure because they would recognize that any means of travel has a unacceptable carbon footprint. And destroying the planet for leisure is hypocritical.

    June 16, 2019 8:43 a.m.

    Global warming is a post-modernist wolf wearing the sheep's clothing of pseudo-science.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 16, 2019 8:24 a.m.

    No Flight Shaming! Flying is a shameful enough experience itself.

  • ideasnstuff Orem, UT
    June 16, 2019 8:12 a.m.

    The next step: "travel shame". Stay within walking distance your village. Virtual reality will offer you plenty of opportunity to "see the world." No, thanks.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 16, 2019 7:40 a.m.

    I agree with her. Finally someone is talking about what really needs to be done.

    I don't like Al Gore and the Dems, but I consider man-made global warming to be credible. (And I would be so happy if proven wrong). For decades all we've got is that we need have efficient refrigerators, ride bicycles more, etc. People are finally saying that we have to make drastic changes.

    Air travel is one of them. We can laugh at her and say, "pre-Wright days" and yes, it is drastic. But one thing that we can say about her is that someone is being truthful for once. She may not be realistic and she may propose some crazy idea tomorrow. But today, at least, she has come up with something that opens our eyes to what is really required and is kind of in the right direction.

    (But, yes, I would hope that all you naysayers about global warming are correct and I am wrong. And don't think that I think less of you because you may disagree with me.)

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 7:34 a.m.

    Reading these comments proves, once again, how resistant humans are to change--or even the suggestion of change.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 16, 2019 5:04 a.m.

    This business of energy use has a thousand implications. Leave people alone

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    June 16, 2019 4:30 a.m.

    Some people have way too much time on their hands

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2019 3:49 a.m.

    Even better, travel by books and internet and television.

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 16, 2019 2:51 a.m.

    If I didn't know better I would think this was a script for Saturday Night Live.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    June 16, 2019 12:46 a.m.

    "Oh man, we better do something before she takes another Friday off of school again, guys," said no one ever.

  • zgomer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 11:20 p.m.

    Gotta go catch a flight.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:51 p.m.

    Free country and environment is beautiful and has been for 6,000 years. Effort to control us, take us back to pre-Wright brothers days, and restrict missionary travel, of course. Religions let people live as they choose to, why not the same for us? Sweden hurts environment by not having more babies, one of whom will grow up to solve environmental problems; family solves all problems.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:40 p.m.

    I hope the movement catches on. Simply economics: Less demand = lower prices for those of us who refuse to care about being shamed.

  • Latter-daySaintForever St. George, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:26 p.m.

    A 16 yr old will never make me feel ashamed of anything.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:12 p.m.

    How do we get food to people in starving countries without carbon emissions?

  • Oh, please! St. George, UT
    June 15, 2019 8:50 p.m.

    Malena Ernman, maybe people should just stop traveling to your concerts!

  • tblack7070 Idaho Falls, ID
    June 15, 2019 7:22 p.m.

    Soon as I can drive to Hawaii I’ll consider it. Otherwise she can be ashamed and I’ll keep flying!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:19 p.m.

    Lead by example then. Don't let us catch you flying.

  • SpÄter73 Hughson, CA
    June 15, 2019 6:43 p.m.

    I’m glad my ancestors left Sweden when they did.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 6:38 p.m.

    My kids/grandkids will be fine because we’re affluent. They’re educated and will be able to migrate to hospitable climates. I feel bad for the global poor who will be displaced. I foresee an immigration disaster in 20 years.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 15, 2019 6:20 p.m.

    Man-caused climate change is a complete farce.

    It’s interesting how the environmental gestapo switched from “global warming” to “climate change” when the scientific data didn’t support their global warming claims.

    The truth is, man can affect air quality, but man is completely powerless to change the climate or the weather.

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    June 15, 2019 6:11 p.m.

    Imagine "viking cruises' setting up booths by major airlines and offering discount tickets for people to abandon their flight plans and row across the Baltic sea or Atlantic ocean in dragon ships.

  • jack1066 Burley, ID
    June 15, 2019 3:20 p.m.

    I have been trying to find a car or train route to Sweden, I can’t find one.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 15, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    Oh, puh-leeze! We are going down the political correctness slide of death at a rapid rate. Perhaps Ernman should completely eliminate all travel except for walking to be on the safe side. After all, that electric car was created using a lot of materials that cause pollution, let alone an internal combustion engine. And the shoes she wears also were created in a factory that generated pollution as well as her clothes and the food she eats. If it were not for carbon dioxide emissions, this planet would be brown and devoid of life.

  • 112358 Alpine, UT
    June 15, 2019 3:11 p.m.

    I'm ashamed of a culture that devotes coverage to such extremist sentiment.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 15, 2019 3:11 p.m.

    Another "great" benefit of social media.

  • geekusprimus Little Elm, TX
    June 15, 2019 2:10 p.m.


    I couldn't agree more. I think wanting to take care of the planet is a good thing, but the solution is to improve things, not demand we stop using them and revert to living like cavemen. Because it's about power and control rather than making things better for everyone, every new viable source of energy technology is buzzed about for ten minutes and then vilified as the next worst thing.
    "Hydroelectric dams disturb delicate ecosystems!"
    "Wind turbines kill birds!"
    "Solar panels are produced with toxic chemicals!"
    "Nuclear reactor equals radiation equals Chernobyl equals bad!"
    If it were really about saving the environment, we'd be building next-generation nuclear reactors right now instead of trying to convince people to stop flying in planes.

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    June 15, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    Hmmm. I have not flown for 5 or 6 years, but do these people realize what they are asking? Shame on them for not using common sense.

  • northland55 Provo, UT
    June 15, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    This campaign actually encourages me to fly more. I was actually planning not to fly this summer until reading this.

  • MabelPines Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    My eyes won't roll back in my head hard enough to express how I feel about this campaign. I feel like the problem with environmentalists and activists is that they want to tell others WHAT to do (or not do), instead of find realistic solutions. Actually helping the earth seems secondary to 'change' or having power.

    I, personally, think that meaningful environmental impact is made on a micro level, instead of major campaigns (which all usually contradict each other anyway). Do you want to use less plastic? Then, by all means, get some cloth grocery bags and re-usable silicone straws. Find one of those humanitarian groups that is weaving old grocery bags into sleeping mats for the homeless. Use less fuel? Then walk places and take your bike. Ask your company to consider a 4-day work week, or more use of telecommuting. Start a carpool in your neighborhood or office. Use encouragement, instead of protesting and telling everyone what to do.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    These people have obviously never traveled in the U.S. If they had they would have realized that train service in the United States is nowhere as efficient as it is in Europe. You can't get anywhere on the train here, unfortunately.

  • Kristjhn Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    As soon as the people telling me climate change is a crisis, start acting like it’s a crisis, then I’ll believe there is a real crisis. Till then I’ll fly every chance I get. To infinity and beyond!

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    It's a difficult issue. Although flying is a form of mass transit (good), it burns enormous amounts of fossil fuel (bad).

    Before long I think we'll start transitioning to what might be called "virtual tourism." That is, instead of flying 16,000 miles roundtrip to Italy, we'll stay home and let Rick Steves take us on a video tour instead. Of course, by incorporating video-game technology and AI it will be more "personal" than just watching Rick do his thing.

    "Virtual tourism" will be a lot kinder to the planet than real tourism, and a lot more affordable and comfortable, too!

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    June 15, 2019 11:40 a.m.

    How do you take the train to Yellowstone? Of does some press attention from a 16-year old Swedish girl prevent you from visiting? What about Zion's? What train goes there? This whole thing is just foolishness on steroids.

    For the record, I once checked on going to San Diego and back to SLC on the train (Amtrack) and it was 2 days to get there and 5 days coming back, as the southern return route went through Texas and Kansas before going west through Colorado. That's really efficient, isn't it? Plus the cost was reflected in the mileage, too, being much more expensive than flying. And if you have a 9-day vacation, spend 7 of it on a train....way beyond silly, ludicrous and ridiculous.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:49 a.m.

    OK, Elon Musk, when can we expect the release of your electric passenger airliner?!

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    A 16-year-old and an opera singer. The green movement needs some serious help.

  • cmbennett1 Stafford, VA
    June 15, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    There is no train from the US to Europe.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    It's already uncomfortable, intrusive, expensive and impersonal. I'm not going to be ashamed of it, too.

  • windsor Logan, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:17 a.m.

    Well if more gullible people buy into this nonsense, that could mean more empty center seats on flights this summer, which would be a true joy to the rest of us that are flying.

  • California Steve Hanford, CA
    June 15, 2019 8:10 a.m.

    Well, cancel my flight to Sweden.