Why more Utah teachers are considering carrying guns in the classroom

'It could be me,' middle school teacher says at firearms course designed for educators

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  • Gr8e Lehi, UT
    June 23, 2019 7:32 p.m.

    We’ve been carrying guns in Utah schools forever. Comments about how dangerous it is, how teachers can’t handle it, how they will be shooting students, how it will be the Wild Wild West... all miss the mark completely and have been disproved long ago. In Utah people all around you are carrying... at schools, including teachers, parents, admin, and students over 17, at malls, grocery stores, banks, down the highway, at church, at restaurants, at the park... everywhere, and you wouldn’t even know it. Of course, not too long ago, seeing guns at school was not only common, but we had gun courses at schools. An irrational fear is not a solution to protecting schools, education is, and carrying has been working wonderfully. Utah has been doing it right for decades and is a good example for these gun-free states that leave students with no protection and no hope. We need more guns, not less.

  • Mr Cali Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 23, 2019 6:36 p.m.

    Teachers have carried in Utah schools for decades. It works great. This enables everyone to feel safer knowing that they are t defenseless against evil. More training and education is the key, not hoplophobia and irrational fear lingering. It would be even better if kids got gun safety and awareness training every year.

  • CommonSenseAmerican Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 2:54 p.m.

    How many public mass murders have happened in Utah with our common-sense gun laws? ZERO!!

    Did you know that 97% of all public mass shootings happen in "Gun Free" (aka Mass Murderer Protection) Zones? Yes, Parkland (and all of the others) was a "gun free" zone.

    So, when Moms Demand tries to scare you into believing that encouraging willing teachers is dangerous, push back with the facts!

    Our children deserve to be protected instead of dying on the altar of the anti-self-defense bigots.

  • birwin Herrmian, UT
    June 17, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    How many kids have been killed here in school shootings? How many accidental shootings will this create? From a numbers point of view, I am not sure this is a good idea.

  • MyNameIsNobody Kaysville, UT
    June 17, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    I’m a teacher and would never carry a gun. The chances of breaking up a fight and the risk of that gun coming off my person are statistically far greater than needing it for a school shooting.

  • Tchr@Hrt , UT
    June 17, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    Riodan- they won’t. People do not talk about it when they carry. It may be a deterrent, but it it could also make them a target. Teachers do not have a moral or ethical obligation to inform schools or parents when carrying. Honestly, I would hope you could not find a school in Utah without at least one teacher who would care enough to educate him/herself to protect your child in the unfortunate event of an active shooter. Perhaps homeschool would be your best bet for that option.

  • spenc938 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    @Riodan - Cedar City, UT

    Its none of your business whether or not teachers are carrying guns and you will not be notified. It's none of the school's business either and unless a teacher decides to tell their administration, they won't even know.

    As far as removing your child from any school that allows this, you may just have to move. Carrying a firearm has been legal and allowed in ALL public schools in the state of Utah for those with a concealed firearms permit since 1999.

  • Tchr@Hrt , UT
    June 17, 2019 1:32 p.m.

    I am an educator and have taken this course. I fully support those who carry. As we do lockdown drills in the elementary where I teach, my students are aware of potential danger and want to be prepared. Years ago, I had a student whose cousin was killed at Sandy Hook. At 9-yrs old she knew too much. Heartbreaking! I hope to never have to use my training, but if there is anything I could do to save my students you better believe I would do it, and should be able to without public criticism. In the meantime, there is no community program that is going to solve this problem. The answer is in the home! As parents and grandparents, we need to KNOW our kids and what they’re doing. We need to teach and expect them to be good citizens, monitor their online and phone activities, and limit violent gaming and YouTube time. Kids must to be taught how to manage strong emotions. They need good examples and healthy ways to manage stress. Due to mental illness, tragedies will still occur but our communities will be stronger as our families are stronger. In my experience close, connected families produce kids who are more confident, kind, happy, thoughtful, and more academically successful.

  • Riodan Cedar City, UT
    June 17, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    I hope they let the parents know if any teachers are packing guns in the school. I will be removing my child from any school that allows this. Instead of putting my child around firearms in an environment that should be about learning is not the direction we should be going. How about paying the teachers more and investing in educating our future instead about arming our educators.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    June 17, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    Next up, fed up teacher shoots student for sassing back.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    June 17, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    Being trained like this (as noted by one being interviewed), gives you a reality based understanding of what is /is not there.

    Being allowed to carry gives one the choice to carry or not.

    Carrying a familiar weapon does not come with a requirement to do a banzia attack. It does provide another option for brain-engaged decision making.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 17, 2019 7:01 a.m.

    cjb - Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2019 3:56 p.m.
    Angelsings you said ..

    What a sad commentary about America's education system when teacher preparation includes Weapons 101 as an instructional firearm course.

    :::

    I respond. .

    If we didn't love our kids we wouldn't think of and then implement innovative ways to protect them.

    {{ There's nothing "innovative" about packing a gun. What would be innovative would be to find REAL solutions that don't involve guns but actually prevent the need for anything like that }}

    Utah parents are not not like the parents of Sandihook elementary.

    {{ Is that another slam at those parents? Even Alex Jones of Infowars finally admitted that claims about Sandy Hook being a fakery were lies. }}

    {{ The one thing Utah is doing right is designing and modifying schools to restrict entry for people who shouldn't be there. But even that may not be adequate if the would be shooter is a student. But more guns are NOT the best nor only answer. }}

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 17, 2019 6:49 a.m.

    cjb - Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2019 11:33 a.m.
    Let us not forget that zones designated as gun free are the most dangerous places in the United States.
    ==

    I didn't know our highways were gun free zones. That's interesting.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 5:33 p.m.

    M.Hawke:
    "Arm the teachers. Look at the statistics of the 21 states that have some form of it. Bottom line is zero shootings, accidental discharges, students obtaining a teacher's gun, accidents or deaths. Zero."

    Not true.
    "All told, an Associated Press review of news reports collected by the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive revealed more than 30 publicly reported mishaps since 2014 involving firearms brought onto school grounds by law enforcement officers or educators. Guns went off by mistake, were fired by curious or unruly students, and were left unattended in bathrooms and other locations."
    (CBS News 2018)

    There's a big difference between taking some firearm classes and an active shooter situation.
    Even highly trained police can and do miss their targets.

    Our country is awash in guns. Even if we enacted more stringent restrictions on who, where and when can possess what type of firearm and ammunition it is unlikely to have a significant impact for quite some time--decades. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't move forward to that end.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2019 3:56 p.m.

    Angelsings you said ..

    What a sad commentary about America's education system when teacher preparation includes Weapons 101 as an instructional firearm course.

    :::

    I respond. .

    If we didn't love our kids we wouldn't think of and then implement innovative ways to protect them.

    Utah parents are not not like the parents of Sandihook elementary.

  • fani wj, UT
    June 16, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    It is a choice to carry or not carry a gun. It is a choice for a teacher to increase his/her chances to not become a victim at a shooting incident. To the pro-choice crowd, why are you so oppose to others choosing to protect themselves should a shooting occur?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 16, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    This is one of the most tragic things that has ever happened to us.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    M. Hawke:
    “Look at the statistics of the 21 states that have some form of it. Bottom line is zero shootings, accidental discharges, students obtaining a teacher's gun, accidents or deaths. Zero. “

    False.

    There have been at least 30 accidental discharges in schools in various states such as Texas, Florida, Michigan and others.

    Interestingly, in UT religious institutions—like BYU—can prohibit guns on their premises while all others cannot—such as the U of U and all other state universities.

  • Flipphone , 00
    June 16, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    It should be mandatory that all School personnel including teachers be trained and hold concealed carry permits. Also, All signs stating that schools are gun free zones should be removed with warning signs that stat all school personnel are fire armed trained .

  • Tony1941 Winchester, VA
    June 16, 2019 6:23 a.m.

    It is vital that a firearms owner/user perform the soul-searching necessary to determine whether he/she would be willing and able to take a life in defense of self or others.

    A lack of resolve could result in a delayed response to an attacker, giving that attacker the ability to seize the weapon of the would-be defender. Such also could result in the would-be defender becoming a target or a witness to further carnage.

  • Butch wax , 00
    June 15, 2019 9:39 p.m.

    ERB - Eagle Mountain, UT

    Fantastic comment. I've often wondered the same about SBR.

  • yank Provo, UT
    June 15, 2019 5:28 p.m.

    Comment: Our politicians are protected by armed guards. Our celebrities are protected by armed guards. Our airports and courtrooms are protected by armed guards. But for the most part, our most precious resource of all - our children - have little or no protection.

    Question: Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that guns laws are passed that outlaw and confiscate all guns from civilians. Does anyone really think that our politicians, celebrities, airports, and courtrooms won't still have armed guards?

  • rexwhitmer , 00
    June 15, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    Personally, I began shooting when I was about twelve. Today, I'm well into my eighties, and I've never shot another human being. In Arizona, where gun carrying is legal, I'm not alarmed when I'm in a place of business and see men wearing weapons, and I'm aware that a percentage of the ladies there have a weapon somewhere on their persons. A person not trained on gun use, is actually quite dangerous, and this is the sort of person whom will invade a school or other public place, That person is deranged! Unfortunately they are also cowards whom seek a moment's exaltation for eternity in Hell! Arizona does not however allow weapons on school grounds other than trained officers. Part of the reason is that parents no longer observe their duty to train their children to be acceptable in society, and often do not police their own weapons, or children. Most school shootings can be traced back to this lack. Those opposing civilian arming are actually worse in my opinion. We've seen recently how some persons of political nature will attempt to rule, and in a gun free society this would be America's total end.

  • M_Hawke Golden, CO
    June 15, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    Heidi Matthews, president of the teachers' union says that there should be more emphasis placed on mental health and building relationships, as well as using resources "that have been statistically shown to make an impact." Such pie in the sky. Yes, we should continue and improve mental health issues. Yes, we should always be working on building trusting relationships. But that doesn't stop or prevent or defend against a school shooting, period. You want statistically proven resources that makes an impact? Arm the teachers. Look at the statistics of the 21 states that have some form of it. Bottom line is zero shootings, accidental discharges, students obtaining a teacher's gun, accidents or deaths. Zero. That's a great statistic. Meanwhile another statistic shows that at gun-free ("We're not armed here, come and shoot us") schools, shootings have doubled in the last 10 years. I'm a teacher and this union president's remarks show why I have never been a member of the teacher's union. They just do not have the teacher's welfare to heart, in my opinion, and prefer to glom onto the latest (usually liberal) social issue.

  • M_Hawke Golden, CO
    June 15, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    @hbeckett So you are saying that an unarmed teacher trained in hand to hand combat can even approach a subject shooting a semiautomatic weapon and take him out? That's a fantasy that only works in movies. The best way to take out someone shooting a weapon is by shooting him.

    @Brave Sir Robin 21 states allow teachers and staff to carry arms in one way or another on campus. So far, do you know what the data is? Students intentionally or accidentally obtaining a teacher's gun: Zero % Accidental discharges: Zero % Accidental or intentional injuries or deaths: Zero %. Shootings at gun-free schools 2008 vs. 2018: 100% increase. Your three scenarios are ridiculous, to say the least. You open each with "Wouldn't it be fun?..." What's really fun? Being shot at by a crazy? All the naysayers who say "What if..." and come up with scenarios of accidents or other situations because a teacher was armed. Ridiculous. How about the very real scenario of defenseless teachers and children waiting the precious minutes that police can arrive, while several are being killed in the meantime? Trained staff and teachers on the scene is not only the best defense, but the best *deterrent.*

  • Be Practical Sandy, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    It is my observation that people who are opposed to citizens arming themselves for any reason, teachers or otherwise, usually have no training or understanding of firearms, do not understand the rigorous process of obtaining a concealed carry permit with its related fingerprinting and FBI background checks, and are not familiar with the safety procedures taught in handling or securing a weapon. Having an armed teacher in the classroom actually poses less of a risk to the children than when they ride in their parents' cars. According to a 2017 study by the National Safety Council, you are 83 times more likely be be killed in a car accident than you are by an accidental gun discharge. That study is available online.

  • dski Herriman, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    Most of the gun violences have been done in gun free zones. Criminals avoid places where they know someone will shoot back. I hope teachers are trained to be confident in handling guns. It is sad our schools are getting to this point but we must deal with it. Otherwise, we may have a deputy who refuse to go in and meet the challenge like the one at the Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.

  • Husker2 , 00
    June 15, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    I’m generally opposed to teachers carrying firearms in the classroom because too many things can go wrong. However, when students are giving death threats to teachers and there are no consequences, I can understand why teachers want to carry a gun.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    June 15, 2019 11:50 a.m.

    I taught live classes at Utah Valley University for 9 years. And I was armed (concealed) in class every single day the entire time. I never worried about the possibility of an active hostile shooter because I was prepared. Arming teachers is the most effective way to prevent harm because teachers are closest to the students, wherever a shooter may appear. I encourage all educators to arm themselves and get trained on how handle a firearm. It's the best solution to a growing problem.

  • HowlingDog Ivins, UT
    June 15, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    Do you think NOT arming teachers in the classroom will make students safer?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 15, 2019 11:33 a.m.

    Let us not forget that zones designated as gun free are the most dangerous places in the United States.

  • Angelsings Glendale, AZ
    June 15, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    What a sad commentary about America's education system when teacher preparation includes Weapons 101 as an instructional firearm course.

  • hbeckett Colfax, CA
    June 15, 2019 10:24 a.m.

    how about including a class in self defense or hand to hand combat to remove the threat

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    I was hesitant to support this in the past but I think if a teacher carries, training like this is the best idea. They need to be confident. I also think teachers should have to carry on them versus leaving it in a purse or backpack and what should alleviate fears of accidental discharge is having a two mechanical actions policy.

  • Doug Ex-Fat Guy Fair Oaks, CA
    June 15, 2019 9:51 a.m.

    To: Roarke, from SLC - you seem to forget that the "school resource" officer assigned to Stoneham Douglas High School in Parkland, FL, last year, COWERED behind a concrete wall, "waiting for backup", as the shooter ran rampant. Witness how his boss, the sheriff of Broward County, FL, tried and failed to explain away his deputy's cowardice.

    I do share your concern about classroom safety re: firearms. I'd say that having a C-C permit shouldn't be enough, rather, Any teacher/administrator wishing to "pack", for purposes of protection of the students, faculty, and employees, should be sworn in as a reserve officer/deputy of the applicable LE agency, with suitable training. While on school grounds, the sidearm should be in a hidden holster on the reserve deputy's person, and if there's a need to remove it, either secured, UNLOADED, in either a lockbox in the principal's office, or in the trunk of the reservist's vehicle.

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:48 a.m.

    @timid sparrow
    Take a deep breath and get a grip.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:46 a.m.

    Brave Sir, yeah yeah yeah, all of us know you’re a California liberal. You love to comment in Utah. If you love liberalism so much, why do you a)Live in Utah, but prefer to put San Diego as your address, or b) if you live in San Diego, why do you think Utahns care about your opinion.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 15, 2019 9:40 a.m.

    Yeah won't it be fun the first time a student is killed by accidental discharge of a firearm?

    Won't it be fun the first time a student finds the teacher's gun and uses it to exact playground vengeance?

    Won't it be fun when the cops show up during a school shooting, see the teacher with a gun, and blow the teacher away?

    Won't it be so much fun?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:35 a.m.

    Welcome to the wild wild west!

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:31 a.m.

    Gun activists as usual using kids as their talking point. "What happens if a child is shot? Hence.....the training programs and why they, and other safety programs are so essential when implementing this program. Take it from someone with a very personal experience........when that call comes at anytime, whether it be at your school,or at your home at 3:00 am, I can guarantee that the training will kick in and violence will be stopped or at least curved. I commend this school district for this program and for those who choose to participate. In my case....I'll always be grateful for a father who introduced guns and gun safety to me at a very young age. Not only have I been confident in teaching my sons and daughters, but it has been a recreational vehicle that has provided a lifetime of wonderful memories.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:21 a.m.

    These cowards shoot people where they know they won’t be shot themselves. Gun free zones aren’t gun free when a criminal goes there. Criminals by definition don’t follow the law.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 15, 2019 9:17 a.m.

    In our efforts to keep students 'safe', do you suppose preparing teachers to do active gun battle in the classroom misses the point and fails to address some of the root causes of the problem? How safe are we if we expect our classrooms to be battle zones?

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    June 15, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    I'm reading some brand new gun control arguments and rebuttals on this thread. Oh wait a minute...no I'm not.

  • loweye salt lake, UT
    June 15, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    The problem is that when people have guns handy, they often use them when anything sets them off. Just a couple of days ago some young men were arguing in the front yard when one of them pulled out a gun and shot another one. It was caught on video, and it wasn't even a physical fight.
    It seems that the more guns are available, more people will sometimes get upset with someone else and whip out that gun. It seems they do it automatically without thinking of what they are doing or the consequences.
    What if you have an unstable individual who will just grab an available gun and use it on anybody? This seems to be happening more and more.
    This is just scary.

  • squirt Taylorsville, ut
    June 15, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    To all those pro-gun carrying teachers on this thread, I hope you will remember this when an educator's bullet accidently kills a child in the tragic event of a shooter in a school.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 15, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    The choices editors make determine the narrative.

    This story could have been four or five paragraphs, covering the 5 Ws. With a stock photo of a pistol or a school.

    Or...you can send a reporter/photographer to the class and lead with a photo of the oldest woman in the room. That will have maximum emotional effect.

    Make-a-splash journalism is agitating our country, even local papers in Utah. This story is a great companion piece to the Woods Cross case and the Passerby story in Utah County. These are great examples for a propaganda class.

    And they all involve...guns.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    Another pro-gun story meant to justify the proliferation of firearms in America!

    The headline says more Utah teachers are "CONSIDERING" but the story is about Utah teachers having already made a decision to carry.

    Given that there have been NO DEATHS in Utah schools due to active shooters, there are zero statistics that support the thesis that more guns make people safer, and that the article says nothing about how much more likely gun owners are to shoot someone they know than save an innocent person from being killed. This piece qualifies as pro-gun propaganda and is a non-story

  • lars44 draper, UT
    June 15, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    As demonstrated during the Trolley Square shootings, just the SOUND of a gunshot that is not the active shooter's will very often freeze the shooter in place. That is extraordinarily useful to provide extra time for professionals to arrive. It saves lives.

  • PLM Kaysville, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    I love the kids I teach. If anyone tried to harm them I would go all mother bear in a second. Anyone charged with caring for children, yours or someone else’s, knows you would go to any length to protect them against danger..

    I would have no problem securing the classroom in any way, including shooting an intruder who was trying to harm my cubs.

  • rickmac37 , 00
    June 15, 2019 7:57 a.m.

    The problem begins in the home, you have kids having kids and they expect teachers to do everything because that’s how they were taught,let someone else do it. To me teachers have one job teach, not to be the kids parents.

  • AT Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:25 a.m.

    Anyone who has spend any time in Israel knows that teachers carrying guns is not a problem - for anyone except those intent on harming the kids. In 1974 there was a school shooting in Israel. The state responded by providing firearm training to teachers. Since then, 2 shootings. In both instances the shooter was stopped by armed teachers.

  • AT Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:19 a.m.

    @Be Practical - Your daughter's situation really isn't that different from that of anyone else. Anyone who draws a gun to deal with a potential threat faces, almost certainly: a hostile legal system, thousands of dollars in legal fees, potential loss of employment, etc. That the school district has been so explicit in calling out the implications might sound harsh, but they're being forthright. Anyone, aside from the protected AGWs (armed government workers), is in the same situation.

  • AT Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:12 a.m.

    Wonderful news! As we've sadly learned, "law enforcement" fail to react in a timely manner when murderers show up to harm kids. We've also seen amazing stories of teachers taking heroic actions to protect children. Simply allowing them to be armed does two things. First, it signals to murderers that their desire to kill unarmed people just became significantly more difficult. Second, it allows teachers to combine heroic intent with the means to support that intent.

  • wanderer9641 N.S., 00
    June 15, 2019 7:08 a.m.

    Firearms training is just part of the solution. Knowing your home turf (your school) and how to use exit points. corridors and passageways to get yourself and kids to safety is another. All teachers should be taught close arms training for their floor plan. Knowledge is power.

  • StateTheFacts Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 7:01 a.m.

    Society cubby-holes teachers as only teachers. Let's face the facts; schoolroom teachers have been and will always be more and do more than "just" be instructors that teach the principles of the ABCs. Save the discussion of under compensation for another time; but we, parents, families, and neighbors should demand administrators give every possible tool; training and yes, even guns to the highly qualified and trained teachers in the classroom to assist in the defense of our children. Alternatively to armed teachers; armed marshalls and state-of-the-art security systems for our schools must be implemented immediately. Its time, most likely past time, to become assertive, aggressive and immediately implement an offensive plan; build and FUND a safe environment for our children. Funding and improved training for mental illness and gun laws must be included; however, legislators and administrators can immediately deliver safer schools with arming teachers and marshalls right now.

  • TimBehrend Auckland, 00
    June 15, 2019 6:58 a.m.

    Utah has 995 schools. In the past 30 years there have been 2 school shootings. They resulted in 2 injuries. This seems to be more of a response to irrational fear than a measurable threat. Gun violence in the U.S. robs normal people of peace of mind even in the school environment. It's a pity.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 15, 2019 6:42 a.m.

    Nothing wrong with extensive gun training if you are going to allow teachers to carry them in school. It should be required training along with a license, insurance and registration either carried by the school or individual teacher.

    That being said, we have the most armed society in the world, is there any evidence that we are the most "polite"?

    Our half hearted efforts to make schools "gun free zones" were destined to be failures. If you have been to any major sporting event, concert, or even Disneyworld, you will find that there is much more being done than merely posting a sign banning guns to keep weapons out of these venues. A serious effort to stop guns from entering our schools, similar to what is done at these facilities, ought to be put in place as well.

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    June 15, 2019 6:31 a.m.

    I’m sure most will have their guns unloaded to avoid accidental shootings at school. It only takes a couple of seconds to load up, in case a shooter enters the school.

  • Christmas Carole Hurricane, UT
    June 15, 2019 6:10 a.m.

    Ms. Thompson, I sincerely hope YOU do not have to face the situation of a loved one being 'sacrificed' by an unstable individual because of 'unprepared' school personnel. I'm relatively sure most of us would not appreciate living in the 'wild west' era, but I also believe most people feel a strong desire to be prepared to and accomplish ALL they possibly can for an extremely bad situation...I'm sure if someone grapped your purse you'd grab back, yet if a child is in harm's way you'd desire those with them to 'wring their hands' instead of doing ALL within their power to stop the crime??

    "Guns don’t belong in our classrooms to begin with," said Mary Ann Thompson, head of the Utah chapter of gun control advocacy group Moms Demand Action. "Teachers and staff should be focused on helping our kids learn, not focused on being responsible for stopping an active shooter."

    THIS and other personel are not FOCUSSING on "stopping an active shooter", they are doing all within their power to be the best prepared IN CASE!

    "(Now) this is a real issue. It’s the world we live in," Jacobsen said. "I’m a firm believer that I could be the one. It could be me, and I want to be prepared."

  • Deej Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 5:16 a.m.

    What an absurd idea. How about training teachers to better, you know, teach!

    Because teachers never get stressed out in their jobs, forget to take their meds, or have a really bad day. But sure arm them now with a classroom full of children.

    My around my kids. No chance

  • Aussie Teacher WESTON, VT
    June 15, 2019 5:14 a.m.

    Thank goodness that I live in a country, Australia, where as a teacher I can go to school without the fear thatbthe 2ND Amendment seems to bring intonghe US. I have no worries about being shot whilst in my schoo, or anywhere else for t hat matter. What a sad country where teachers think it necessary to carry a gun in class.

  • The Dark Knight Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 4:56 a.m.

    Teachers carrying guns increases danger rather than decreasing it. More guns is never the solution.

  • Be Practical Sandy, UT
    June 15, 2019 2:13 a.m.

    My daughter is a teacher in the Jordan School District and also a concealed carry permit holder. She was told that while she could bring her weapon to school, if she ever pulled it out, even for a justifiable action, she would be fired. While I have every confidence that she could take whatever safety precautions were necessary to secure her weapon, the loss of her job is to big a risk for her. There will need to be a paradigm shift in people's thinking before teachers having guns in the classroom will be accepted.

  • Roarke Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:47 a.m.

    This is a bad idea. We need to keep guns out of schools unless they’re being carried by law enforcement officers. The article is proposing a 70-year-old P.E. teacher carrying a loaded weapon into a school? No one sees how that can go wrong? Incredible. This ideology ends up getting students shot by teachers in situations where the presence of a gun only escalates the emotion. This ideology ends up arming students when they surprise and overtake armed teachers. This ideology ends badly. Will any adult please step forward and stop this from happening by changing a law? Channel any of these resources to greater law enforcement presence in our schools.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2019 11:43 p.m.

    When guns are involved, there WILL be accidents. The question then is responsibility. What punishment for a teacher for accidentally firing their weapon in class? Are they accountable if they lose control of their gun to a student who then shoots someone? Will the school district be held financially responsible for the actions of their teachers? Accidental death could mean a multi-million dollar settlement.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    June 14, 2019 10:45 p.m.

    This is purely about self-defense. They always say that kids should not be in fear while in school. What about the teachers? Do they not have the same right?
    When I was in school in the 70s and 80s, there were many vehicles with guns in them. I carried a large knife in a sheath every day. No one even thought of using them against another student.
    What changed in the 40 years since then? A lot more kids on mind-altering medication, a lot less respect for other people, a lot less respect for human life.
    You might not agree with this, but an armed society is a polite society.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:24 p.m.

    This is a good program. All volunteer educators, none are being forced to consider being armed against their will. It is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly. They are not expected to be "cops" to chase bad guys, but rather have an option to defend themselves and their students in a classroom if the unthinkable happens.

    The Utah Shooting Sports Council has offered similar courses for several years now and has provided training to hundreds of Utah educators.

    Cowards who would attack innocent victims always seem to prefer unarmed victims, so merely knowing that there might be armed educators is an additional line of defense, as our schools are no longer automatically "unarmed victim zones."

    Besides basic knowledge to legally carry a self defense weapon, educators should get training in firing safely and proficiently. Also, in emergency medical treatment for trauma- even if not carrying a gun.

    But, mental health screening of troubled students really needs to be addressed to ID them and get them away from where they can be a threat.

    Bravo to the educators who participate in these programs, especiay in the face of union and peer opposition.