Is Jessica Biel really an anti-vaxxer? Here's a breakdown of the controversy

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Jessica Biel are reportedly lobbying against a California bill that would limit medical exemptions for vaccinations.

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  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    Thinkagain - Salt Lake City, UT
    "California government seems to have gone way to far this time interfering with licensed physician decisions. Sounds a lot like communist China."

    No, it sounds like the religious folks and Trump supporters trying to force their beliefs on the public by exposing everyone to every possible disease.

    Remember the last anti-vaxxer genius that promoted her uneducated, ignorant beliefs on a lot of people? Jenny McCarthy?

    Since you are "pro-choice" on vaccinations that would extend to "choice" for a woman seeking an abortion wouldn't it?

    Occidental Observer - Orem, UT

    "If your healthcare provider will not sit down with you and review the package insert, and discuss the possible harmful side effects, and let you make an informed decision, you need a different doctor."

    "Ask your pediatrician if they get a $ payout for vaccinating you child.

    Don't worry, Doctors work for free, just like you do. Actually, the doctors will make more money when the kids come down with life threatening diseases because they didn't get vaccinated because their overly religious parents didn't want them to get vaccinations.

    They have a right to spread diseases, right!

  • IcemanCometh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:13 p.m.

    @RiDal - understand why there are cases of vaccine-induced polio. It happens when the population is un- or under-immunized for a period of at least 12 months.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    Anti-vaxxers must want an the words “Personal Freedom” engraved on coffins.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    The only reason that some of the people posting on this thread are even sucking air is quite possibly because their ancestors had the good sense to wipe out smallpox, measles, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, typhoid, and a host of other diseases.

    And how did they do that? Vaccines.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:03 a.m.

    Many vaccines seem like "a good idea".
    But seriously: If a person doesn't have the right to decline to be forcibly injected with a foreign substance by a government mandate...then do we have any real liberty at all ??

    And if the argument is that we can forcibly control the behavior of those who might be spreading a serious disease, then why was that argument not valid in controlling the AIDS epidemic, which is actually a far more dangerous disease than measles?

    In the USA, more cases of polio are now caused by the vaccine than from naturally occurring polio itself! (google vaccine-induced polio)

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:56 p.m.

    The fact that so many people are anti-anti-vaxxers tells me where the real problem is:

    People who inherently trust Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Military, Big Agra-Biz, etc.

    Consider the financial incentives for people who advocate for vaccine freedom and education. They're not even selling a competing product. They just want freedom to choose.

    Those who advocate for forced vaccinations have BILLIONS of dollars at stake from a populace who won't line their pockets if people opt out.

    Follow the money. Question those who have the most money to lose.

  • OsmMom Provo, UT
    June 13, 2019 9:40 p.m.

    "Whilst an 'unlikely' outcome is not expected to occur, an 'unlikely' outcome will still occur one in five times (based on a translation of 20%), according to a frequentist perspective." ( Sander van der Linden & Ragnar LÖfstedt (2019): Editorial: The Cambridge
    Risk and Uncertainty Conference (RUC), Journal of Risk Research) People need to shiFt their perspective on who is at risk when vaccinating. I find it interesting that I have family and friends who chose to delay or bypass various vaccinations and their medical professional had no problem with that decision.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    June 13, 2019 7:05 p.m.

    It is fascinating (and appalling) that there are so many people who think if you advocate for exemptions for vaccinations you are a foaming at the mouth anti-vaxxer. I think CA has gone too far with this legislation. There are many reasons for avoiding or delaying certain vaccines, and parents should have the right to make that decision. Our children, grandchildren and greats have had many vaccines, but not all, and the babies have had them spaced more than some health professionals advice.

    I have mentioned this so many times I am tired of seeing the words again, but we had an experience with an MMR. Our physician told us not to ever allow our son (with numerous allergies) to have the MMR. He did not until it was required to live in Russia. He has had health issues ever since. Can I prove the MMR was the cause? I can't but I certainly wish he could have skipped it, as he had done for 19 years.

  • Thinkagain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 4:11 p.m.

    Owl states , "The difficulty is that vaccine deniers are not making educated medical decisions." Owl then goes on to discuss the conspiracy theorists.

    Perhaps adverse reaction deniers are the actual conspiracy theorists to suggest such a thing? For the most part I think we have no idea the severe medical conditions other families are dealing with related to their children and how much effort they have put into getting the best medical advice for their child. Adverse reactions are real and if that is not the case then why can't families sue vaccine manufacturers? If vaccines are so safe and effective, repeal the liability protections and then we might see a total shift in the vaccine debate.

  • Occidental Observer Orem, UT
    June 13, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    I am on board with loveacoralreef.

    Parents who see the list of side effects, and don't want the possibility that their child might be so afflicted by being vaccinated are apparently now out of luck in California.

    If your healthcare provider will not sit down with you and review the package insert, and discuss the possible harmful side effects, and let you make an informed decision, you need a different doctor.

    You can vaccinate later, but you can't un-vaccinate.

    Ask your pediatrician if they get a $ payout for vaccinating you child. Most do, and it can be enough to buy a really spendy (Think BMW, Lexus, Mercedes) car if they innoculate a sufficient percentage of their client pool.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 13, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    If your child is too young to be vaccinated and comes in contact with an anti-vaxxer's kid and is infected - feel free to send an invoice of your medical bills to Ms. Biel and little Bobby. I can't imagine that little Bobby's allowance has been depleted yet.

  • loveacoralreef Highland, UT
    June 13, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    A few of the vaccine adverse reactions, listed on FDA vaccine package inserts for childhood vaccines on the CDC recommended schedule, that will NOT qualify for medical exemptions under California's SB276:

    Encephalitis, Guillan-Barre, seizures, stroke, fever over 105, bacterial skin and tissue infections, blood clots in limbs, autoimmune arthritis, tremors, cellulitis, severe eye inflammation leading to loss of vision, ataxia, vertigo, facial nerve paralysis, apnea, diabetes, spinal cord paralysis, pulmonary embolism, severe nerve paralysis, onset of MS, Kawasaki disease, inflammation of the pancreas, permanent arthritis, Henoch-Schonlein purpura, wheezing and asthma attacks, eczema, pneumonia, pneumonitis, extensive swelling of the injected limb and nearby joints, difficulty swallowing, abscess at injection site, testicular pain and swelling, nerve deafness, thyroiditis, panniculitis, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, vasovagal syncope... .

    Which vaccine adverse reactions qualify for MEs? Anaphylaxis, anaphylactic allergy, encephalopathy, severe immunodeficiency, intussusception. (This means that even the CDC recognizes all of these as vaccine adverse reactions.)

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    June 13, 2019 3:04 p.m.

    I have to respond to this all too common tactic of shouting down discussion via screaming out a condescending label.

    Background/ context. California used to run its school vaccine program via education. It allowed for religious and personal belief exemptions.

    Then came Pans Law, eliminating all exemptions other than medical. Also denied access to all schools, public and private, and denied daycare for those out of compliance. The law also left a blank-check requirement for any and all possible future vaccines.

    As a result, the 0.2% medical exemptions of record jumped over triple (oh my!) to 0.7% !

    Pan decided that some of his unscrupulous fellow MDs were allegedly selling exemptions without even seeing the patient!

    His fix for these crooked doctors is SB276 -- which says that NO medical exemption will be valid until it is submitted (on a specific yet-to-be-designed form) and authorized by some specified someone who definitely has not seen the patient. (Oh, the irony!)

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    Biel said parents "... the right to make educated medical decisions for their children...." The difficulty is that vaccine deniers are not making educated medical decisions. The internet collection of conspiracy theories and disinformation concerning vaccines is not a foundation for evidence-based decisions. California has more than the right to legislate vaccines, they have the responsibility as does Utah.

  • Thinkagain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    Kudos to Biel and Kennedy for standing up for medical freedom and the doctor patient relationship. California government seems to have gone way to far this time interfering with licensed physician decisions. Sounds a lot like communist China.