Democrats assail Trump on being open to foreign election help

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 15, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    "Open to foreign election help"?

    Not nearly as wrong of being "open to main stream media election help"!

    Main stream media has done more to manipulate elections than Russia has ever done.

    Likely,--Democrats have colluded with the media on many occasions. Right?

  • KSC Sandy, UT
    June 14, 2019 3:47 p.m.

    How incredibly refreshing to have a leader who tells the truth!

    If only the media, in particular Jonathan Lemire and Lisa Mascaro of the Associated Press could be so honest. Lemire and Mascaro frequently “colorize” and/or suppress information in order to tell the story that fits their agenda. Buried near the bottom of the article is the rest of the quote: "I think maybe you do both” (listen and give it to the FBI).

    In my opinion Nancy Pelosi is one of the most dishonest and hypocritical people I have ever been forced to listen to. She distorts the facts, tells outright lies, and has supported every negative rumor regarding President Trump that she find or create.

    For her and her fellow outraged colleagues to imply that they have suddenly found integrity and honor such that they would immediately call the FBI, and would not even peek at foreign dirt on President Trump, is the biggest belly-laugh of the week. Anyone who believes that Nancy Pelosi would not jump headlong into a cesspool in search of dirt on President Trump or any other opponent is truly beguiled.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    June 14, 2019 1:18 p.m.

    @unrepentant progressive - Bozeman, MT

    "Real Americans, the ones that make this country work, know that a President who would knowingly conspire with foreign powers to retain power is not worthy of that office. In fact, he may not be worthy of be called an American."

    Real Americans also know that a President who would knowingly authorize the lying to a court in order to wire tap the opposition party's candidate for President should have been impeached if there were enough time. Russia buying ads on FB to sow discord is nothing compared to a President abusing the public trust like that.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    June 14, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    Utefan

    "Fox news admitted it was wrong"

    I watched FOX news last night and not once did I hear "they admitted it was wrong".

    Contrary to popular folkore in today's propaganda culture where anything dirty from a foreign source is bad illegal and treasonous, wrong there is no law making it illegal to get dirt from a foreign source on your political oponent. It is only illegal if Trump does it.

    Yes Hillary Clinton paid for dirt from The Russian's the same russians Trump was accused of conspiring with, it doesn't matter that a third party source compiled the fake dirt, it came from russians none the less, if Trump did that it would make him a traitor, yet Trump hasn't done that and you anti trumpies still think he is a traitor based on no evidence.

    Because of the hyper sensitivity of russian election interference of 2016 is the only thing that makes his comments unwise, other than that Trump is completely right.

    If I'm wrong then please site the law that prohibits anyone from collecting dirt on ones political oponent from foreign sources illegal, I'm waiting...

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 14, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    @ 2 bits

    "Foreign help" is "help from a foreign government." Steele isn't a government nor was he doing his work on behalf of a government. (See the Wikipedia piece you cited, the section titled, "Research funded by Democrats produces dossier.")

    He also didn't cooperate with the Russian government to get his information. (Again, see the Wikipedia piece you cited, the section titled, "Research funded by Democrats produces dossier.")

    With respect to your concerns about "innocence," presumably aka "legality," I would also recommend the section titled, "What the DNC, Clinton campaign, and Steele knew."

    It's actually a thorough, informative piece, IMO. I'd recommend that everyone read it.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    June 14, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    Karen R

    "Much of the dossier remains unverified....think Trump tower"

    It must be awfully confusing for someone who admit's the dossier which "much ...remains unverified" the same dossier used to start an investigation of Carter Page who was supposedly a russia spy, of who recently made public had been working with the CIA and FBI as a undercover informant prior to 2016, and who was never charged with a crime. This same dossier whom Christopher turned over to the state dept gave a statement clarifying it is a political document and it's sources came from the Russian consulate in Miami, except there is no Russian consulate in Miami.

    Mueller clearly stated in his report they did not find evidence that anyone in the trump campaign coordinated with Russia in its election interference activities.

    So why do you and trump haters continue to pettle this lie?

    As for the trump tower meeting, Mueller cleared them in that regard. Also the Russian lawyer was paid by Fusion GPS and met with them before and after the trump tower meeting. That whole thing was a set up.

    Yet you continue to pettle the fake news - FOX news got this whole story right for two years, yet you still believe Maddow

  • Utefan60 , 00
    June 14, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    Trump said exactly what is being reported. Exactly

    Fox News even was appalled by Trump's statements. An no he didn't misspeak.

    His apoligists can not blame the Clintons, Obama, or anyone else but the guy who actually said this treasonous statement. And he did say it.

    His daily lies, and his supporters who continue to enable this treasonous behavior are not going unnoticed. This crime spree will end, and America and it's good citizens will lick their wounds and the world will allow us to heal.

    No Trump supporter can twist this one, even Fox News admitted it was wrong!

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    June 14, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    Unrepentant

    "I am truly saddened by the poor excuses offered by the Trump apologist's....all ridiculous on the face of it".

    Let's see, Trump is currently the POTUS, he currently speaks to foriegn leaders everyday that is part of his job. Is he supposed to become a recluse and stop speaking with foreign leaders? Now that is ridiculous.

    There are no laws about gathering dirt on your oponent, apparently even if you pay for it regardless if it comes from a foreign source or not.

    Take into consideration that in Bill Clinton's reelection campaign they took in millions of donations from the chinese to help him get him reelected, research Johnny Chung, the Riady family and Lippo,Ltd all from hong kong.

    Bill Clinton recieving 750k in speaking fee's from the russian's, the Clinton foundation recieving millions in the Uranium One deal that sold uranium to the Russians.

    Donald Trump has been cleared of conspiracy in four different investigations supposedly conspiring with foreign countries, it seems that Trump is the only one that isnt conspiring with foreign countries,

    I'm truly disturbed that americans support the left and their lies, the same party that supports socialism.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:59 a.m.

    @Karen R,
    Please google "Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia"...
    and read it, if you think it's totally innocent, and not "foreign help" to the Clinton Campaign.

    Wikipedia
    "The Trump–Russia dossier, also known as the Steele dossier, is a private intelligence report written in 2016 containing allegations of misconduct and conspiracy between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Government of Russia during the 2016 election.

    Authored by Christopher Steele, a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (MI6)

    While compiling the dossier, Steele passed information to both British and American intelligence services.

    The media, the intelligence community, and most experts have treated the dossier with caution due to its unverified allegations

    Some allegations of the dossier have been corroborated, however much of the dossier remains unverified. One allegation was rejected by the Mueller Report"...

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 14, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    @ 2 bits and others

    Let me make the distinction even clearer:

    Hiring a private citizen to investigate someone, which all campaigns do

    Versus

    Welcoming/seeking assistance from a foreign GOVERNMENT whose purpose is adversary to your own nation's.

    It doesn't matter that Steele is a Brit. He wasn't acting as an agent of the British government or any other government either.

    Also not relevant: Doing his digging in Russia. Where else would any investigator worth his salt go but where the subject had been? And why would Fusion GPS hire someone without Russian expertise and contacts to do this work? I think some are seeing conspiracy where there's only common sense.

    Also, per the testimony of Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS, he didn't tell Steele what to look for. He doesn't tell his investigators what to look for to avoid inadvertently limiting their scope. He says, "Here's the subject. Go find out what you can."

    @ Lost

    Mueller didn't investigate collusion. But can it be said that Trump colluded with the conspirator Mueller did find? To collude is to cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others. Think Trump Tower meeting.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    Continued...

    They seem equally "Bad" to me.

    Why do you excuse the one, and excoriate the other? It's the same thing! Looking for dirt on your opponent.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    @Karen R,
    I've read it, so you can stop asking that. People read just like you.

    Google "Full text of "The Steele Dossier - Trump Intelligence Allegations"...
    ---
    To read it.

    My feelings after reading it were mostly sadness.

    Sad that Russia had this much dirt on Trump. And sadness that Clinton Campaign would pay a foreign Spy to work their contacts inside the Kremlin to compile this list.

    After reading it I think different people would draw different conclusions (based on their political-bais and their political-agenda).

    There were things that made Trump look good, and bad.

    On good side things like, "So far TRUMP has declined various sweetener real estate business deals".

    On bad side things like "Former top Russian intelligence officer claims FSB has compromised
    TRUMP through his activities in Moscow sufficiently to be able to blackmail him"...

    There's a lot more of course, but I have few words and a point to make.

    The point being... is it worse to go to a meeting where dirt may be discussed.... than to hire a foreign spy to work his contacts in the FSB to get dirt Russia has on your opponent?

    Cont...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    I guess it depends.

    Is hiring a spy from Britain (which is a foreign nation)... to work with his contacts in the Russian CIA (which is a foreign nation)... to compile a Dossier of dirt on your political opponent... considered "foreign help"?

    Hillary Clinton was obviously looking for all the dirt on her opponent she could get. And she didn't care if it came from foreign agents, or Russian agents. But nobody in the media cares about that... why?

    They only care about Trump being OK with getting any dirt possible on his opponents.

    BTW... does it matter if that dirt comes from somebody in a foreign country that has intel on your opponent or if that person with the intel is a US Citizen?

    And if that US Citizen is hiring spys from foreign nations to compile his dirt list... is it not the same as Don Jr going to a meeting where he may get some dirt on Hillary?

    Just wondering.

    I would be careful Dems. Your candidates get dirt on their opponents too. The same way other politicians get dirt on their opponents.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    Don’t know why the dem sycophants would get so upset about this. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a phony dossier concocted by a UK intelligence agent. Since Mueller found no evidence of collusion, the info in the dossier, however inflammatory, was fake

    FT
    who said it was illegal? if it’s OK for the GOP to start and for the DNC to continue, why is it not OK for trump to go the same route?

    Helmsman
    “Glorious Leader”? BO? he's gone

    Fabulous jen
    stolen furniture? funny since the Clintons took the WH furniture when they left

    Moderate
    Russia is supporting him? Where do you get your world view?

    Maverick
    The Mueller reports no evidence of collusion; it contends a vigorous defense is obstruction

    Cancer in the executive? We cut that out in Jan 2017

    GaryObama
    Lying, cheating, thieving makes him VERY much like hilary

    Sportsfan123
    Corrupt DOJ and AG, not just FBI

    Wgirl
    The Mueller report? It said there is insufficient evidence of collusion. How do “insufficient” and “verified” co-exist?

    CNN and others refused to report on the dossier because doing so would weaken their anti-trump narrative.

    Karen R
    The Russians helped trump. Did he collude? Mueller said no

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 14, 2019 5:06 a.m.

    I am truly saddened by the poor excuses offered by Trump apologists. But Hillary!, Everybody does it!, etc. etc. etc. All are ridiculous on the face of it.

    Real Americans, the ones that make this country work, know that a President who would knowingly conspire with foreign powers to retain power is not worthy of that office. In fact, he may not be worthy of be called an American.

    None dare call it treason.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    June 14, 2019 4:46 a.m.

    Democrats are falling for this hook, line, and sinker. This is delicious!

    @Fabulous Jen - Eagle Mountain, UT

    "So someone breaks into your house and steals all your furniture."

    If you remove your front door and put a sign over it reading "Steal from me!' then that's on you. Let's not forget the Russians tried hacking RNC computers too. But failed because Republicans aren't that careless?

    @one old man - MSC, UT

    "I don't know about you, but my Mommy told me that just because "everybody" was doing it that was not a reason for me to do it. But my mother expected her kids to grow up and be honest."

    This is laughable considering Democrats ran Bill and Hillary Clinton for President in 2016.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 14, 2019 4:39 a.m.

    @ NoNames

    Sorry, but there is just no equivalency between:

    1) Retaining a private investigator to get info on your competitor's activities in a foreign country where he has spent a lot of time; and

    2) Welcoming and independently seeking info on a competitor from a foreign country - info that you know to be stolen and the foreign country known to be one that wants to ultimately sink your country.

    I think Trumplicans must have a magnet stored too close to their moral compasses because it seems terribly askew. They seem unfazed that Trump's campaign had dozens of contacts with a foreign adversary; that Trump was actively seeking a business deal with this country while campaigning and didn't tell the truth about this; or that he has gone from saying "no contacts with Russia" to "the contacts with Russia weren't illegal" to "I'd use info from Russia and foreign adversaries against an American competitor." (We know!)

    And, finally - and for the umpteenth time...

    Dossier Not Generator of Investigation.

    Investigation Ongoing For Weeks Before Dossier Provided To FBI.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    June 13, 2019 11:36 p.m.

    Democrats assail to preventing the birth of full term babies.

    Democrats assail to open borders even though thousands of Americans have been killed by drugs crossing in.

    Democrats assail to taking the earnings of hard working Americans and giving it away.

    Democrats assail to open restrooms used by both genders.

    Trump is a great president because Democrats assail to not liking him.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    June 13, 2019 7:54 p.m.

    @Fabulous Jen: "So someone breaks into your house and steals all your furniture."

    I was thinking more like someone breaks into your house and steals all your guns. How much liability and criminal penalties will Jen impose for not keeping the guns better secured? But if it is just the nation's top secret information--the definition of "top secret" is "information, the release of which would cause grave harm to national defense"--she'll compare it to a living room rocking chair.

    Bill Clinton took all kinds of foreign money.

    Obama and Hillary used foreign information--the dossier--to start the whole investigation of Trump. And now the Democrats are all upset that Trump admits that he'd use good intel whatever the source?

    As for "trick questions", do tell us when you stopped beating your wife. Or tell us, if you had to make a choice, would you give the only life vest to your mother or your wife knowing the other would drown without it? There are some questions for which there is no acceptable answer.

    But keep attacking and investigating Trump rather than putting forth solid platforms, plans, and credible candidates. You guys are assuring you get to live with a Trump 2nd term.

  • Californian#1@94131 SF, CA
    June 13, 2019 7:20 p.m.

    I remember presidents back to Eisenhower, and cannot imagine any of them telling the world that winning important enough to compromise our electoral system, national security, and his own principles (of course, most modern POTUS's had at least some of those) by being party to a conspiracy with a foreign source.

    A candidate openly approving and implicitly inviting foreign help to be elected becomes indebted to that foreign country or source. He or she becomes, in effect, an agent of that country or source, subject to influence, pressure, subornment, bribery, threat, or good old-fashioned extortion if that candidate has dirt in his/her closet.

    I do not want an agent of Canada, France, Germany, or Japan as president of the United States. That isn’t what we have to fear. The greater danger, given the entire Trump family’s tangled and mysterious web of relationships with the world’s worst despots, is that the strings that control American government will be pulled in Moscow, Pyongyang, Riyadh, or Beijing. If this does not fit in the category of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” up to and including the potential for treason, then there is no such thing as a high crime or misdemeanor!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 13, 2019 7:05 p.m.

    @ jsf

    "Please show where any of the Steele dossier or any part of the dossier has been verified."

    "The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective," LawfareBlog, 12/14/18, offers a fair assessment. But the primary verification is Vol. 1 of the Mueller Report. The Russians conducted systematic attempts to interfere in the 2016 election, both to aid Trump and to sow division among Americans. The dossier says this too, at several different points. Have you read either?

  • wgirl , 00
    June 13, 2019 6:51 p.m.

    @jsf: "Please show where any of the Steele dossier or any part of the dossier has been verified."

    Sure, the Mueller report.

    You bashed CNN, but remember, CNN and most other news outlets actually refused to report on the Dossier because they couldn't verify it at the time. (Hannity talked about it non-stop). Buzz Feed was the only news outlet, at the time, that would publish it.

    "BuzzFeed never asserted the dossier was true but said the public deserved to be aware of the reports circulating at the highest levels of the U.S. government and believed to be part of a potential effort by Russia to gain leverage over Trump."

    The Dossier included several intelligence reports that documented ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

    At the time, Trump said, "I have nothing to do with Russia," "I have no business with Russia."

    Those were lies. Trump was giving polling data to Russia. Trump was getting information from Russia that they stole from US citizens via a cyber attack. There was a meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians - which Trump also lied about.

    Since then, Trump has admitted to working with Russia. Now he says he would do it again.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 6:27 p.m.

    @jjjdsd:

    It violates federal law for a political candidate to "accept anything of value" (paid for or not) from the citizen of a foreign country, and this applies to all candidates, Democrat, Republican or Independent. I hope you weren't assuming that I thought this law applied only to President Trump. I'm a lot more concerned about the rule of law than about any individual candidate or official.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    June 13, 2019 6:15 p.m.

    Bringing up Hillary Clinton at this point is basically a way of saying that you are okay with Trump colluding with foreign governments to win the election.

  • jjjdsd Centerville, UT
    June 13, 2019 5:56 p.m.

    Well thank you shamrock for the segue. Is it against the law for a candidate to pay a foreign party for opposition research for the purpose of changing the course of an election?

    Please tell me no. Then I can tell Trump all he has to do to make getting the foreign information legal is actually pay cash for it.

    If you say yes, then you condemn the grand duchesse of Arkansas and the DNC of criminally colluding with Russians for the purpose of influencing an election.

    Pick your logic choice.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    June 13, 2019 5:51 p.m.

    Russia, if you're listening . . .

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 13, 2019 5:39 p.m.

    "journalist Nicholas Ballasy asked Scarlett about his former employee, Steele, and the dossier that helped launched the “collusion” theory that Trump colluded with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton. Ballasy asked Scarlett, in a recording released just last week, what the former MI6 chief thought of the dossier and if he believed what was written in it.

    “Well, no,” Scarlett said, “I looked at it and I thought these are commercial intelligence reports; I don't know about the sources -- they might be right, they might be wrong and they'll probably be overrated and they've been overrated.”

    Ballasy then asked if Scarlett thought the dossier could ever be verified, to which Steele’s former boss responded: “No.”"

    Realize people the supposed sources of the Steele dossier were Russian oligarchs with major ties to Putin.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 13, 2019 5:29 p.m.

    Please show where any of the Steele dossier or any part of the dossier has been verified. Steele in an English court testified it was unverifiable. Comey in the white house told the president it was salacious and unverified. This is after he filed the first FISA warrant.
    Brue Ohr met with numerous parties that also included Weissmann was in the meeting and said it was unsubstantiated. So please tell the source of information verifying it. Rachael Maddow nor any others at CNN have verified it so what part other than the title Steele dossier is verified. And that great mark of character Steele, was fired by the FBI for leaking to the press.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 5:02 p.m.

    @jsf writes: "Information is not illegal to obtain."

    That's not true. It's a violation of federal law for a candidate to accept anything of value (including opposition research) from a citizen of a foreign country. That's why even the Republicans are telling Trump that what he said is dead wrong.

  • Mad Hatter Albuquerque, NM
    June 13, 2019 4:04 p.m.

    Where is Donald Trump taking his faithful followers when he make statement that it is OK to violate U.S. law and engage in political activity with a foreign government like Russia. No longer is this a "witch hunt" and "fake news". It has become "legal" in Trump's definition that anything he wants to do is OK. Seeking negative information and actively accepting foreign involvement in our elections is treasonous. Is Trump encouraging his faithful to follow his lead and commit treason?

    Working with a hostile foreign government like Russia to help in an election, now clearly out in the open, is not in the interests of the American people. It is in the interests of Russia and Trump. Perhaps it is a continuation of what has always been, but Trump now is saying it's OK for him to violate the laws since there is no one to prevent him of doing whatever he wants. He has the Senate and Mitch McConnell protecting him from an impeachment conviction. He has AG William Barr protecting him from further investigation and criminal prosecution. And he has the Russians and other despotic foreign players working to help him get re-elected.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    June 13, 2019 3:52 p.m.

    casual observer - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 2:59 p.m.

    "Hillary Clinton's campaign accepted (as in paid for) help from a foreign national, Christopher Steele, for his fabricated dossier. "

    "foreign national" - a private citizen, not a foreign government, involved in producing information for an anti-Trump Republican group. Later, the Clinton campaign was brought in and the information (dossier) was provided to the FBI by a Republican senator.

    "fabricated dossier" - raw intelligence gathered from various sources and compiled into a report identified as the "Steele dossier". None of this was made up although there are some more salacious parts that have not been confirmed. But much of the Steele dossier has been shown to be accurate. "Fabricated" implies "made up and false" which the dossier is not.

    What does this have to do with Donald Trump saying it's OK for him to seek out and obtain negative information on a political opponent from a foreign government? Russia was behind stealing emails, attacking our voting infrastructure, and working with the Trump administration in boosting support for Trump and efforts to alienate Hillary Clinton support.

    Read the Mueller Report.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    June 13, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    Old man
    & anti trumpies

    "Hillary did not violate the law"

    She destroyed her emails servers and whiped the hard drives with bleach bit, and destroyed several media devices to hide the fact she had a unauthorised email server in a bathroom closet of her home.

    She also testified before congress that "I did not have classified emails on my personal email server sent or recieved", and what did Comey say about that publically and to congress, that she had a persnal email server and had well over 100 classified emails on it, that is purjury.

    She violated the espionage act, and obstructed justice by trying to hide it by destroying evidence.

    But she got away with it because a corrupt FBI director refused to recommend prosecution.

    Oh but wait, two Russian olygarch's were more than willing to provide unverified info to Christopher steele and put it in a nice lil' dossier and submitted it to the state dept, paid for by hillary.

    Getting the info from foreign sources is one thing, but paying for it and using it to start a $30 mill investigation based on fake info is a totally different level of corruption not seen since Nixon.

    Sorry anti trumpies your arguments are very hypocritical.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 13, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    Look at it as a gift, Democrats. A gift with an expiration date of the moment one of his aides explains to him what he just said.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 13, 2019 3:06 p.m.

    Hey Scrappy Do -

    Re: "which makes him no different than Hillary Clinton"

    Are you kidding? The lying, cheating, thieving Donald Trump has very little in common with Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary did not violate the law. If you recall, Republicans spent over $100 MILLION dollars investigating Hillary Clinton, which had the duel effect of clearing Mrs Clinton of all criminality while making her Republican persecutors in congress look like liars and bullies.

    Here is an interesting article: "GOP’s fear and loathing of Hillary Clinton cost you $100 million"

    Our own CIA used Christopher Steele's expertise and his services many times to research the Russians. Steele is no joke. He was the top authority on Russian tactics when he served with MI6, and his subsequent career as a civilian contractor added to his credibility.

    Everything Hillary Clinton and Obama did was above board. Face it. It is not Hillary Clinton and the Democrats who habitually attempt to subvert our laws.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 2:59 p.m.

    Hillary Clinton's campaign accepted (as in paid for) help from a foreign national, Christopher Steele, for his fabricated dossier. Most candidates would love to have negative material about their opponents regardless of the source. Trump's problem is not what he said, but that he said it at all.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    June 13, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    which makes him no different than Hillary Clinton

    politics is dirty.. it is pretty simple

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    June 13, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    n8ive american - Shelley, Idaho
    June 13, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    "Steele dossier. Dirt on Trump from a foreign country. "

    Not only do you not know how the Steele dossier came about and was done, you forget who gave it to the FBI in the first place. It didn't come from Democrats, although they had funded it after an anti-Trump Republican group initiated it's creation. It was given to John McCain. He asked Lindsey Graham to provide it to the FBI.

    The FBI looked at it, but the dossier was not what started the investigation into Russian activities. You need to stop believing what you see on Fox News with the partisan talking heads and maybe listen to the news on that network. Opinion is not news? Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram are not journalists. They are partisan shills selling the Fox agenda and appear to be a major source of information for Donald Trump.

    You should acquaint yourself with the Mueller Report and read what they had to say about the Russian troll factory in Leningrad, Internet Research Agency, and the role the GRU had in stealing private property here in the United States? Then you can stop mentioning the Steele dossier as some type of salacious propaganda.

  • Mad Hatter Albuquerque, NM
    June 13, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    n8ive american - Shelley, Idaho
    June 13, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    "Steele dossier . . . "

    Is Fox News the only source of misinformation in Shelley, ID, that people prefer to watch rather than do their homework and exert a little logic in the reading of a story?

    So, may we assume that you are fine with what Donald Trump saying it's OK to get foreign help anyway he can? I guess that the "witch hunt" is behind us now that he has said that it's fine for the Russians to help him. It was the same with Rudy Giuliani saying the " . . . it doesn't matter, collusion isn't against the law." Now conspiracy in an election, according to Trump, is not illegal as long as he is the beneficiary.

    There is a reason we don't want foreign interference and foreign money in our elections. They are our elections. Since Trump has now said it's OK for Russian to help him, what to those who still consider the law to be important, yet voted for Trump in 2016 because of his promises, do?

    That is a question you and your fellow travelers on the Trump Road need to ask yourselves. Is stealing from the DNC and DNCC OK if it benefits Trump? Is the activity of the Russian troll farm with the IRA in Leningrad OK?

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    June 13, 2019 2:06 p.m.

    According to Donald Trump it's OK to get information on one's political opponent from any foreign source. Doesn't matter how they get it or how true it is. As long as it advantages him, it's fine. This is consistant with the covert activities by the Trump campaign in 2016. However, now as 2020 is coming, we can surmise that Trump is basically opening the door and inviting the Russians, North Koreans, Chinese, Saudis and anyone else wishing to gain leverage greater incentive to jump in and help him.

    The Russians are already involved in trying to penetrate our electoral system. Instead of just stealing emails and releasing them at adventageous moments through WikiLeaks, they are moving to gain access to systems that identify voters and contain actual voting results. Such access allowes the Russians (or anyone else trying to interfere) to actually change voting records to disenfrancise voters and/or change actual votes. There's no need to change people's minds when they can change votes.

    Consistant with Trump failure to initiate measures to protect of voting system, he now comes out and says its OK to have these bad players interfere in our election as long as it helps him win.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    June 13, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    Here we go. Now Donald Trump is operating in the open telling everyone that he wants whatever help and from whatever source he can get it. No longer will there be a "witch hunt" and "fake news". It will be all out there because Trump says it's OK just as the thought it OK in 2016. It doesn't matter the form of the "information". He may call it "oppo", but it could be stolen emails, a misinformation campaign, outright lies, deceitful trolls. It doesn't matter for a man who will do anything to get his way.

    Now we all know that when Trump announced "Russia, if you've got the 30,000 emails . . . ", he was not joking as he later said. He was requesting WikiLeaks to release the stolen information that he knew was coming from Russia.

    The Mueller Report stated that people in the Trump campaign were too stupid to know what they were doing was against the law, but we can say with certainty there was a covert attempt to conspire with Russians and others to interfere with our presidential election.

    It's very likely that Trumpies are fine with this. They are fine with everything else Trump says and does. They don't need to dismiss the idea of "conspiracy" anymore. Trump said it was OK.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2019 1:43 p.m.

    @LOU Montana - "So, when embarrassing photos and videos of Trump arrive from Russia are we to ignore it?"

    What would be amusing is some badly doctored photos of Trump's head with a body builder's physique appear.

    *That* would put be a predicament, for DJT.

    "Well, they almost got it right. My arms are actually more muscular and my abs... Melania can tell you, they're unbelievable... but... well, you know, maybe that photo is right. Now the people know how healthy I am! I want this photo on the tail of Air Force One - immediately!"

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 13, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    For those T. supporters who continue to say what about the Steele dossier?
    What was the dossier? It was a legally funded research project started by the Republicans for dirt on Trump. Once they stopped paying, the Clinton campaign funded it. Nothing wrong or illegal about contracting somebody for dirt on your opponent. It's done all the time in almost every campaign. Now, because the dossier had some very damaging, corrupt and criminal activity in it, a Republican passed it to the FBI. The FBI did not base the start of their investigation into the Trump campaign because of the dossier, that had already been started due to a loud mouth employee on the Trump campaign boasting about connections and sources in Russia willing to help them out. In short, if Trumpers would read the Mueller report they'd find how corrupt and criminal our FBI found Trump and several people in his campaign.

  • wgirl , 00
    June 13, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    These admissions by Trump are beyond "unpatriotic." They reveal his complete lack of morality - he only cares about what is good for himself.

    However, it won't change any Trump supporter's minds.

    Some good might come out of it, Pelosi is creating a bill that would make this kind of conduct flat-out illegal. It is about time. For generations, we relied on the President having a sense of decency and duty. We relied on "norms" precedent, and if nothing else, "appearances" that would hurt politically. Trump has shown us that we need more.

    It is time for an entire collection of "Trump laws." Laws banning nepotism in the executive branch. Laws banning public funds going to private businesses (golf resorts) owned and benefiting the President or any other government official. Laws requiring transparency, such as tax returns. Laws requiring Presidents and other elected officials to divest assets, enter blind trusts, and reveal their finances.

    Also, Fusion GPS is not a foreign government. The comparison is desperate and silly. The Republicans first hired Fusion - remember that? The FBI started its investigation because of Popadopolis, not Steele.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    June 13, 2019 12:42 p.m.

    @ jsf

    “Information is not illegal to obtain.”

    Russia hacked into the DNC’s server. Not only did they obtain all of their emails but also voter information. That’s illegal.

    “Pandering false information before the FISA court is a crime.”

    That’s not what happened at all. Turn off Hannity.

    “Currently there is no indicted crime against Trump.”

    Because DOJ rules prevent Mueller from doing that. Barr won’t indict trump, he’s trump’s fixer.

    “Just a lot of hype, slander and libel.”

    That’s not what the Mueller report indicates.

    “But we have Kamala promising if elected she will prosecute Trump. Plus a bunch of other 2020 candidates saying the same thing.”

    The Mueller report shows that trump obstructs justice. Why shouldn’t the law apply to him?

    “Leading Democrat for 2020, if elected we will cure cancer.”

    The cancer that’s growing on the executive? Absolutely! I have no doubt in my mind that none of the leading Democratic candidates would be as corrupt as your boy Donald.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 13, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    FOX hero Sean Hannity, says this is just a "clever trap" for the Democrats.

    "In many ways that was a genius setup because the media mob will fall right into his trap, breathlessly spewing fake, phony outrage over a nonstory for days," Hannity said.

    And then there is RESPECTED conservative George Will who says trump has done more damage than Nixon.

    Why? Because, Will says, Nixon's criminal actions were hidden while trump's are brazenly out in the open and we are in danger that that kind of sewage will become normalized.

    Google Will's comments and listen to them. He's absolutely correct.

    It's long past time to Make America Sane Again

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    June 13, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    I was wondering where the dnews buried this story! Everywhere else it’s front page news. But here, it’s buried! Gee, I wonder why? Would they have buried it if Clinton or Obama had said the same thing?

    @cjb

    Stealing is wrong no matter how much you think you benefit from it politically.

    @ say no

    Maybe your ilk should concentrate on better ideas that are popular among Americans rather than cheating?

    @ repubs everywhere justifying this behavior

    You recognize that there’s an election coming up in 2020, right? So if Mexico helps Elizabeth Warren become president by hacking the RNC’s server and releasing information, you’ll be totally fine with that, right? And you’ll be totally fine with President Warren doing Mexico favors because they helped her to win, right?

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 13, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    "C'mon Democrats, everybody does it!"

    I don't know about you, but my Mommy told me that just because "everybody" was doing it that was not a reason for me to do it.

    But my mother expected her kids to grow up and be honest.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 13, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    Information is not illegal to obtain. Pandering false information before the FISA court is a crime.

    How worried should we be. Currently there is no indicted crime against Trump. Just a lot of hype, slander and libel. But we have Kamala promising if elected she will prosecute Trump. Plus a bunch of other 2020 candidates saying the same thing.

    So goes the constitution under democrat liberals.

    Leading Democrat for 2020, if elected we will cure cancer.

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    June 13, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    Steele dossier. Dirt on Trump from a foreign country. Remind me again who had it? But it's ok for Democrats to do this, right?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 13, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    UtahBlueDevil,
    Blago went to jail, but what were the repercussions for Jarrett? None. No charges of obstruction. No rebuff for her failure to report. No outcry that Obama knew more than he's telling. No cloud of suspicion about Chicago politics in the Obama White House.

    Obama's lawyer did a one week "investigation," and everyone took it at face value.

    That is my whole point here. Trump takes the bait, and the media outlets go wild.

    My comment was not about Blago. To your point, though, how many Russian hackers are in jail? ...or even in court?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    The interviewer should have asked "Would you be upset if foreign nations provided information to your opponents AGAINST you?" It is all fine and dandy as long as Russia is supporting him, but they aren't the only player.

    Now that Trump declared foreign involvement is OK, we should see China, Mexico, England, France, Germany.... all coming forth with information about Trump. He can't declare "executive privilege" against foreign governments.

    I miss the old Republicans that protected America from all enemies foreign and domestic.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    When I read this headline, my first reaction is to shake my head that Trump is needlessly triggering the democrats and the media (but I repeat myself there). But the more I think about it, the more I realize this is deliberate. Trump knows this discussion leads to the democrats not only wanting to hear dirt on him, but actually paying Steele to fabricate dirt on him. This discussion also reminds Americans that the media were co-conspirators in this fraud. Trump also knows there is audio circulating of Russian comedians trolling Adam Schiff as he enthusiastically pursues the chance to get “dirt” on Trump.

    This bait. He wants the democrats/media to go on record and condemn the idea of seeking or accepting dirt on an opponent from a foreign power. Meanwhile, he has declassified documents showing the Obama administration and the Clinton campaigns were guilty of much worse. He knows the OIG and the DOJ are pursuing this. It will be harder for the democrats/media to come back and say: “Well this was no big deal. It’s just the ugly side of political campaigns.”

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    Say No..... Rod Blagojevich is a resident where now? I think something did happen...

    Old Man.... Truth is some very prominent Republicans have rebuffed the President for these comments. Lets have an honest discussion. What the President said is very unPatriotic, what he is asking for is what Assange is being extradited to America for. It's what started this whole investigation and Mueller Report thing. And Republicans are rebuffing the President for his arms deals that circumvented constitutional process - declaring yet another emergency.

    And then today this is released " A U.S. government watchdog agency on Thursday recommended Kellyanne Conway, a senior adviser to President Donald Trump, be fired for repeatedly violating U.S. law with political comments while serving in the White House."

    Where there is smoke, there is probably a fire. Or at least the beginnings of one. I'm predicting there is a fire. And slowly Republicans are smelling the smoke too. Slowly.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    This is the problem with fringe conservatives. They have shouted so long that the government is conspiring against us that people buy in to trumps showmanship of how he is their savior.

    I hope democrats or an independent don’t blow this easy opportunity to beat trump but I am not holding my breath.

  • Craig Frantz Spokane, WA
    June 13, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    Ralph - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    @Say No to BO : "Should I call the FBI? Trump answered candidly, and his enemies blew up."

    So because he actually told the truth about his willingness to betray America, you think that's a good thing?

    He was honest for once! Woohoo!
    ---------
    How's that "betraying America"?

    So glad we have someone fighting for this country while the Liberials fight to give it away.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    And please ATDS were did the Steele Dossier come from? Why was Simson, paid by the DNC and Hillary campaign, meet with Russians and Ukrainians to get dirt about Trump.

    Thou whited walls.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    @Say No to BO : "Should I call the FBI? Trump answered candidly, and his enemies blew up."

    So because he actually told the truth about his willingness to betray America, you think that's a good thing?

    He was honest for once! Woohoo!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 13, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    Should I call the FBI? Trump answered candidly, and his enemies blew up.

    Valerie Jarrett, an unratified Obama adviser for 8 years, had a conversation with Rod Blagojevich about a quid pro quo deal to sell the Illinois senate seat. That conversation was documented by Obama Counsel Gregg Craig.

    Nobody bothered to ask out loud, "Why didn't she report it to the Feds?"

    I guess the press wasn't as curious as they are now. Trump speaks hypothetically, and they go nuts. Go figure.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 13, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    Trump thrives on mudslinging, he is the master of filthy politics.

    So, when embarrassing photos and videos of Trump arrive from Russia are we to ignore it?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 13, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    Wait for it...

    he'll say it was fake news today...

    that he never said that...

    his sycophants will echo his alternative story.

    Another day in Trumps America.

  • Frozen Fractals Paducah, KY
    June 13, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    Remember O.J.'s book, "If I Did It"? This is Trump being "I would do that" about collusion.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 13, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    Trump's comment does not surprise or disappoint me. But what I and the majority of Americans find troubling is that millions of people and most of the GOP still defends and supports this man. It's obvious he is unfit to hold public office. Wake up people! And would the GOP please encourage other people to run for the party's nomination?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Anyone else and the nation would be shocked and disgusted. But, it's Trump, so it's what we've come to expect. The bar has been lowered, so far down, by Trump and the GOP.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    June 13, 2019 8:49 a.m.

    Another instance of the Republican party and "conservatives" working to normalizing the abberant.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:43 a.m.

    cjb wrote 7:36 AM

    "If a candidate for president demonstrated they are sloppy with the nation's top secrets, and put them where the enemies of the United States could easily access them, on a server in their bathroom for example, wouldn't we as voters want to know about that, even if it was foreigners (WikiLeaks) that brought it to light?"

    So someone breaks into your house and steals all your furniture. You see your furniture is being sold at a yard sale just down the street. You call the police and they tell you they cannot do anything. "It's free market capitalism," they tell you.

    Do you just nod your head?

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    Another example of the love foreign powers have for Glorious Leader. They want a Greater America and know Glorious Leader can deliver.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    I know right?

    Remember when Obama got all that political dirt on John McCain from Iranian hackers and then the GOP was totally fine with it?

    C'mon Democrats, everybody does it!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    I love the excuse being touted by Hannity and shrill, that Trump was tricked into answering a question, like how dare a news person ask a question, it's a trick?

    Like the perjury trap, the pundits have to make up clever ways to say that the president is to dishonest to speak for himself and Americans need a translator cause they can't take him at his word.

    cjb, it speaks volumes that you prefer to trust foreign agents who stole or created information over the Mueller report compiled by our top agents. Putin sure got his monies worth, defending criminal activity has become normal for the GOP/Conservative.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:01 a.m.

    So Trump shows his patriotism by hugging the flag, forcing a speech from "your favorite president" at the Lincoln Memorial on the 4th of July, and berating NFL players who refuse to stand during the National Anthem. However, he is more than willing to accept information from foreign governments, not inform the FBI of their outreach, and use such information if it would assure his reelection...unfathomable, yet, sadly, not surprising.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    Trump just admitted he can be your puppet, he can be anyone's puppet if the price is right.

    The reality is if I wanted to sit down with Trump and discuss my thoughts on health care or infrastructure, I could never get a meeting with Trump.

    However, if I were some bad actor for some anti-democratic country, Trump would be eager to sit down with me to hear a lurid story about Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren with altered documents, Trump would take that meeting.

    At some point, it's fair to ask when Trump will stop engaging with the world's most lawless criminal elements.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2019 7:36 a.m.

    If a candidate for president demonstrated they are sloppy with the nation's top secrets, and put them where the enemies of the United States could easily access them, on a server in their bathroom for example, wouldn't we as voters want to know about that, even if it was foreigners (WikiLeaks) that brought it to light?

    Trump is right.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    June 13, 2019 7:17 a.m.

    And Republicans have been completely silent on this.

    Can you imagine the uproar if Hillary had said something this stupid?

    Justin Amash is the ONLY Republican with enough courage to do what must be done.

    That is absolutely shameful.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    June 13, 2019 7:11 a.m.

    Like 2016, Republicans/Trump recognize they need all the help they can get if they want a chance at winning in 2020.

    Why not skip the GOP primary & convention and just ask America's adversaries who they want as their nominee this time?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 13, 2019 6:56 a.m.

    Unfit, there is no defense.