Morning Links: Utah State's Jordan Love and Utah's Tyler Huntley ranked among the top quarterbacks in the country, BYU's Zach Wilson in the top 50

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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    July 5, 2019 1:10 p.m.

    @BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT

    "BYU will be much better this year. Utah, Tennessee, USC, and Washington is a really tough start. Throw in Boise and USU, this schedule is tougher than Utah's."
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    It's never been close to as tough as Utah's, since PAC 12 and Independence happened.

    I would bet a lot of $$ (if I were a betting man), that Utah's SOS will be tougher at the end of the season.

    USU and Boise have massive losses, personnel wise. And who knows about Tenn?

    If it is tougher than Utah's, BYU won't make a bowl game.

    BYU lost 15 games the last 2 yrs. alone. Going 6-6 in regulation last yr. Against a not very tough schedule.

    Zach Wilson talks a big game but has yet to beat a team ranked better than #100. Facts.

    C. Kaufusi and Wakitaki, both gone, were BYU's best defensive players. I don't buy the narrative on the OL this yr. either.

    As typical, BYU will beat the bad teams and lose to the better teams on their schedule.

    It's very likely BYU starts 0-4. And if BSU, USU, USF and SDSU are just good. BYU splits that. And Toledo on the road is an unknown.

    Bowl game? Maybe.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 20, 2019 1:32 a.m.

    Wow. Lots of bragging and predictions. Here are mine:

    Utah will be Utah. Unless the new OC gums things up. 2nd in their PAC12 division. I hope the Utes believe all the hype you clowns are spouting.

    Huskies are unknown, but Coach Peterson is the best coach in the PAC12. They'll be the best in the West. Again.

    Utah State will win their conference championship unless Love gets hurt.

    BYU will be much better this year. Utah, Tennessee, USC, and Washington is a really tough start. Throw in Boise and USU, this schedule is tougher than Utah's.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    "LOL at your wanton jealous angst."
    --------------------------

    Such a "BYU narrative" classic.

    Honest question here. What, again, is giving Utah fans 'jealous angst'?

    That a kid we offered a preferred walk-on to, got a scholarship at BYU and now starts? I think we are saying "good for him".

    That ZW started last yr. v. Utah. Utah still won. #8 in a row to boot.

    This very article has Huntley - Utah's QB - ranked as the #16 QB in the nation. 30 spots higher than ZW.

    These are the things that are giving Utah fans "jealous angst"?

    You sure about that????

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 18, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    I do agree that ZW's bowl game was a great game for him and your team. Don't want to take that away from him.

    But ZW still has yet to beat a team ranked better than #100 in the nation. NIU finished ranked #84 according to Sagarin. And BYU/ZW lost that game. Wilson had a QB rating of 25.9 w/zero TDs and 1 INT.

    I don't care what # start any game was for him. He tore it up against Hawaii in his 1st start. Shouldn't you get better as you go?

    I mean, I think you are saying the bowl game was a culmination of his tremendous improvement, right?

    Wilson may be good but he isn't special. Trevor Lawrence is special.

    The national publication that this article was written about, has Huntley 30 spots better than ZW. Who comes in at #46. They are taking into account his bowl game and the fact they think he could have a "breakout" season. Whatever that means.

    Love #12
    Huntley #16
    Wilson #46

    Utah fans didn't make this list. Some national guy did. We'll just have to wait and see what actually happens now.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 17, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Maybe all the wanton Y fans can erect a new bronze statue of lil' Zachary..."

    LOL at your wanton jealous angst.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NEVER had a QB worthy of having a bronze statue erected...

    and NEVER will.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 17, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    @blue n gold -
    Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 rating
    T. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating

    ---

    "Nice cherry picking. I mean, why pick UCLA?"

    Simple, it was Huntley's last complete game against the worst PAC 12 opponent Huntley played against.

    Of course, if U want to compare
    Huntley's final game of 2018 (17th game started)
    with
    Wilson's final game of 2018 (7th game started),
    it's not even close:

    Z. Wilson 18/18 317 yds, 100.0%, 4 TD, 0 Int, 321.3 rating
    T. Huntley 7/15 88 yds, 46.7%, 1 TD, 2 Int, 91.3 rating

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 17, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    "Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 rating
    T. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating"
    -----------------------------
    Nice cherry picking. I mean, why pick UCLA? Why not USC?

    Yeah, for reasons I think we all know.

    let's take Huntley's last 4 games combined. All PAC12 games: (Stanford, USC, UCLA and Arizona)

    Completion % = 73.3%
    7 passing TDs
    2 INTs
    Rating = 172
    40+ points per game
    Almost 1,000 passing yards
    142 rushing yards
    2 rushing TDs.

    Many BYU fans say Huntley isn't "special". Ok, Zach Wilson isn't special either.

    Wilson went 3-3 in regular season play, only beating teams ranked worse than #100 in the nation.

    Wilson lost to NIU, ranked #84 in Sagarin's final rankings for 2018. ZW had ZERO TDs, 1 INT and a rating of 25, while playing at home in Provo. He lit up #117 Hawaii the week prior.

    Don't want to hear "the 2nd start as a true freshman" excuse. It was a MAC team at home. Who finished #84 in the country.

    Clemson doesn't make that excuse for Trevor Lawrence. In any start as a true freshman. And he played against, overall, harder competition.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 16, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    "Zach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than Huntley."
    -------------------------

    Man, I hope so, Huntley didn't play the last 5 games due to a broken collar bone. I sincerely hope ZW was playing better than him then. Huntley wasn't playing at all.

    But, Huntley's last 4 games, before season ending injury, combined are as follows:

    QB rating 172
    73.3% completion
    7 TDs to 2 INTs
    nearly 1,000 yards passing.
    Utah averaged 40 pts or more per game in Huntley's last 4 last yr.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 16, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    @ND95CA - Lincoln Park, IL

    “Rounding out the state’s FBS quarterbacks was BYU's Zach Wilson, who came in at No. 46 in the rankings. Lassan noted that all signs point to a breakout year for BYU's rising sophomore.”
    ----------------------------

    Yeah, didn't miss that blurb at all. ZW went 3-3 last yr in the regular season. only beating the worst teams BYU played. ZW didn't win a game v. a team ranked better than #100. Including the bowl game.

    The same article that has that "blurb", has him at #46, and they know they said the blurb. The author is taking that blurb into account in his rankings.

    The author also said Huntley will "take a step forward in his final season in SLC."

    ERGO....Both are getting better in his mind. The author clearly thinks Huntley will be the better QB this yr., given the rankings. But whatever.

    In the 4-game stretch before Huntley got hurt, he completed 73.3% of his passes, w/7 touchdowns, and 2 INTs and about 1,000 passing yards. QB rating for the combined last 4 games, was 179.

    He was clearly getting better as he went.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 16, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    It appears that the BYu "sugar ants" are all over lil' Zachary Wilson like a half-eaten doughnut sitting on the kitchen countertop. Actually, when doesn't that ever happen with their new "hero?".......the current BYu QB...... NEVER!

    Maybe all the wanton Y fans can erect a new bronze statue of lil' Zachary next to legendary Jake Heaps at the entrance of LES........they are probably at it as of this very minute........

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 16, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    “Zach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than Huntley.”

    What are you even talking about?

    TH got injured after a spectacular October AND missed our final 5 games!

    ZW literally beat nobody good last year.

    Furthermore, that UCLA game was all about our rushing-attack & the ZM show, given UCLA’s weakness on D.....TH & our passing-attack were never going to be our primary focus in that game.

    Go Utes!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2019 10:20 p.m.

    "Zach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than Huntley."

    blue'n'Team B:

    Man, you coogs forget--your time machine only goes backwards. And a past tense verb doesn't belong to an unknowable future.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 15, 2019 10:07 p.m.

    jonny in the city

    Despite you denials, the numbers don’t lie...

    Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA (3-9)

    Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 rating
    T. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating

    Zach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than Huntley.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2019 1:22 p.m.

    "Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA (3-9)"

    deepcoog:

    Wow! Then the Utes must have lost both games, right?

    Oh . . . wait. Typical coog perspective.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2019 12:59 a.m.

    DeepBlue - Anaheim, CA
    June 14, 2019 5:33 p.m.
    Wilson was clearly playing better at the end of the 2018 season than Huntley.

    Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA (3-9)

    Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 rating
    T. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating

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    Huntley average QB Rating over last 4 games before injury: 172

    Wlison, ignoring the outlier: 136

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2019 12:39 a.m.

    @ND

    You obviously missed this little blurb from the article

    “Rounding out the state’s FBS quarterbacks was BYU's Zach Wilson, who came in at No. 46 in the rankings. Lassan noted that all signs point to a breakout year for BYU's rising sophomore.”

    Ergo, all signs point to Zach finishing MUCH higher than #46.

    Huntley will finish MUCH lower than Love and Wilson.

    ----------

    You obviously missed this little blurb:

    "In addition to leading Utah to its first Pac-12 South title, Huntley was on pace for a breakout year and a place among the conference’s top quarterbacks in 2018...New coordinator Andy Ludwig was one of the offseason’s top assistant hires, and the veteran play-caller should help Huntley take a step forward in his final year in Salt Lake City."

    Ergo, all signs point to Huntley being a Top 25 QB on a Top 25 team.

    Wilson like BYU will finish 3rd in State.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 14, 2019 11:06 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “...the article that you are making your statement in, says Huntley is ranked the #16 best QB in college football. And ZW is 30 spots lower at #46.

    Pundits that do this for a living have Huntley significantly better than Wilson in 2019.”

    You obviously missed this little blurb from the article:

    “Rounding out the state’s FBS quarterbacks was BYU's Zach Wilson, who came in at No. 46 in the rankings. Lassan noted that all signs point to a breakout year for BYU's rising sophomore.”

    Ergo, all signs point to Zach finishing MUCH higher than #46.

    Huntley will finish MUCH lower than Love and Wilson.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:55 p.m.

    @mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA

    Fair points Muss.

    But I will submit that had Wilson taken the walk-on offer from Utah, instead of the scholly at BYU, he wouldn't have played one down for Utah. He would have red shirted, helped with the scout team and held a clip board, if he even dressed for games at all.

    Utah wanted a different type of QB, and had two like Wilson already on the roster.

    In fact BYU added a late offer to Wilson due to missing out on Tanner McKee. It's not like they were on Wilson long, trying to get him to BYU.

    It has been and will continue to be a good call for both Wilson and BYU. Kid is a good one.

    As for being better than Huntley or anyone else? We'll see. They have different styles and play in different offenses.

    If we take total offense and wins. Huntley is better. If we take wins against better teams, Huntley is better.

    Honestly, has ZW won a game against a team ranked better than #100? Real, honest question. I mean, how good is he really? Not very battle tested and one game has all BYU fandom in a tizzy.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:42 p.m.

    @DeepBlue - Anaheim, CA

    "Wilson was clearly playing better at the end of the 2018 season than Huntley."
    -----------------------

    Man, I hope so. Huntley didn't play the last 5 games of the season due to a broken collar bone.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 14, 2019 8:41 p.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    June 14, 2019 4:22 p.m.
    re: “NIU was Huntley's second season as a starter and he had been hurt in the 1st season.”

    2018 was still Huntley’s THIRD collegiate season, his 2nd season as a starter.

    Absolutely no comparison to a True Freshman starting only the 2nd game of his collegiate career.

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    Huntley as a freshman beat out a Senior QB who was comming off a #23 9-4 season.

    Wilson was a backup to Mangum who just led BYU to a #112 4-9 season.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:39 p.m.

    @DeepBlue - Anaheim, CA

    "Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NEVER had a QB as good as TL.

    Sorry to break it to you, but the Utes are stuck with an injury prone Huntley, who isn’t nearly as good as Love or Wilson."
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    Most teams have never had a QB as good as TL. The kid won a Natty as a true freshman, playing out of his mind on the biggest of stages.

    I'd submit that BYU has never had a QB like TL, even with the QB's they have had.

    You are certainly welcome to your opinion about Huntley. As far as BYU narrative goes, you are right on target. It just bounces around the echo chamber.

    But the article that you are making your statement in, says Huntley is ranked the #16 best QB in college football. And ZW is 30 spots lower at #46.

    Pundits that do this for a living have Huntley significantly better than Wilson in 2019.

    My opinion is that Wilson may be a very good QB. But this yr. Huntley will be better than ZW.

    My point about TL is that being a freshman isn't something you need to hide behind with Wilson. He went 3-3 in the regular season, beating only bad teams. Let's see this yr.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 14, 2019 5:33 p.m.

    Wilson was clearly playing better at the end of the 2018 season than Huntley.

    Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA (3-9)

    Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 rating
    T. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 14, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “Evidently Zach Wilson is a super star from snap #1. Trevor Lawrence, wishes he was as good as ZW, right?”

    LOL at your desperation dragging TL into the discussion.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NEVER had a QB as good as TL.

    Sorry to break it to you, but the Utes are stuck with an injury prone Huntley, who isn’t nearly as good as Love or Wilson.

    Keep smiling.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 14, 2019 4:22 p.m.

    re: “NIU was Huntley's second season as a starter and he had been hurt in the 1st season.”

    2018 was still Huntley’s THIRD collegiate season, his 2nd season as a starter.

    Absolutely no comparison to a True Freshman starting only the 2nd game of his collegiate career.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2019 3:50 p.m.

    Mike:
    "We could lose BADLY too! HAHAHA! Look me up on Facebook someday so we can yak on the phone. I hope all is well in your world my friend! Mike."

    Not if I can help it haha! I sent you a request, hope it's the right Mike R...there's a lot of you! Lol

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2019 3:44 p.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    "Trevor Lawrence, wishes he was as good as ZW, right...BTW, Trevor Lawrence isn't hiding behind being a true freshman who started part way through the season. Like you are doing with ZW."

    Let me address this first before your comments to me: Comparing TL to any other freshman isn't fair. C'mon man, Lol! TL is a generational talent, the guy is just filthy. He is as good as his 5* #1 recruit hype, maybe better. So bringing him into a debate about a 3-star freshman's 2nd start vs a 2 yr starter's 2nd start of the season isn't really an apples to apples comparison, is it?

    "Andy Ludwig won't have lapses in play calling, game management, game prep, in game adjustments, overall game planning, getting players ready, etc."

    I disagree. Every OC has lapses, ESPECIALLY with different personnel. Even a good OC like Andy had questionable adjustments and calls against UGA last year...MULTIPLE times, why is Shurmur looking at a primary post/fade route when UGA is in cover 2 rolling their star/nickel? Who knows...but bad plays/adjustments happen to everyone.

    I didn't know Andy was incorporating TT's lingo into his system, so that's encouraging to hear. Is it August yet? Lol

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    June 14, 2019 3:38 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    For frightened, superstitious fan constantly tossing meaningless salad...

    see mirror.

    Love and Wilson will both exceed expectations in 2019!

    Huntley will be a huge bust!

    Mark it down!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 14, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    Hey Cougsndawgs, let us see what happens in fall camp and we'll try to see where we can make some decent wagers......? We could lose BADLY too! HAHAHA! Look me up on Facebook someday so we can yak on the phone. I hope all is well in your world my friend! Mike.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 14, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    I REALLY, am, liking this thread, other than a handful of frightened, superstitious Y fans tossing salad that is entirely meaningless. Cougsndawgs and Arizona Ute are having a great convo that is "meaningful" indeed!!!!! I'm enjoying and learning. Thanks guys!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    Uteology:
    Sorry, I meant to comment earlier because I think your take about the schedule is a good point. But remember that U were 2-0 against Stanford and Oregon, so the best U can do is 2-0 against Cal and OSU to break even...U still play all 3 of the Pac12 teams U lost to last year, so having a softer schedule won't necessarily help your record. It's a good point though, because easier opponents also make for less injury, more PT for 2-3 string players etc so I definitely respect that take.

    As for Bama in the Sugar Bowl it is what it is...the truth is it was probably a combination of Utah being a very good team, and Bama not being ready or motivated for how good Utah really was. It happens all the time, and Utah deserves credit for beating a really good Bama team, regardless how motivated they were...fair?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 14, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    @Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    Gan:
    NIU was Huntley's second season as a starter and he had been hurt in the 1st season.

    But yes, I am making that comparison. Evidently Zach Wilson is a super star from snap #1. Trevor Lawrence, wishes he was as good as ZW, right?

    BTW, Trevor Lawrence isn't hiding behind being a true freshman who started part way through the season. Like you are doing with ZW.
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    Coug:
    Andy Ludwig won't have lapses in play calling, game management, game prep, in game adjustments, overall game planning, getting players ready, etc.

    He's coordinated all of this at a very high level for a long time. Grimes is still learning ALL of that. And he should be a good one but still learning.

    The players will come along and he is using a LOT of the lingo TT used. He changed and learned that lingo and translated it to his system to make it easy for the players.

    There are additional plays that get learned, etc, but I don't think that will be an issue with this team.

    BTW, we are all excited about Cam Rising. Think Baker Mayfield. Future is bright.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 14, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:08 a.m.
    Arizona Ute

    "Let's take NIU. Utah won on the road, BYU lost at home. Huntley's stats were better than Wilson's v. NIU."

    You're seriously comparing

    Zach's 2nd game started as a true Freshman,
    vs
    Tyler's 2nd game in his THIRD season.

    -----------------

    Tyler's 2nd game was at LES and he won, Wilson lost!

    Utah 19 at BYU 13

    27/36 75%
    300 YDS
    0 TD
    0 INT
    145 RATING
    68.5 QBR

    Wilson is an unproven QB, move on.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 14, 2019 11:33 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    June 13, 2019 3:48 p.m.
    Uteology:
    "Brian Johnson's performance of dismantling #4 Alabama was absolutely phenomenal!"

    I'm pretty sure Bama had to dress the scout team because starters' minds were all in Miami and what might have been lol. NO ONE but U fans and gump-haters believe the CT showed up for the Sugar Plum Fluke of 2009. But that's another rabbit hole and dead horse for another day.

    -----------------

    I'm pretty sure it's not Utah's job to have Bama prepared for their biggest bowl game in over a decade. Georgia had no problem being prepared and motivated the year before:

    2008 Sugar Plum:
    Georgia 41
    Hawaii 10

    Utah also didn't want to be in 2015 Vegas, so what? We showed up for 8 minutes and took care of business.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    I understand all that...and I don't disagree with most of it. It is true that Andy has a lot of experience and he's good at what he does, but it still takes time to install and get everyone on the same page regardless how much experience an OC has (usually I'd say about 3-5 weeks into the season and kinks are still being fixed).

    I think he'll be a real difference maker at Utah, but patience will be required. Andy isn't a Lincoln Riley who will have the offense lighting up the scoreboard, he's methodical and tactical. I'm excited to see what he does...and hopefully Utah's offense improves sooner rather than later under his watch.

    I'm also not sold on Huntley...his upside is really up, but I've seen him go from "unstoppable" to inept and back to world-beater again. I think it's just lack of consistency that concerns me with him. My best friend is a U fan (and ND fan ironically lol) and he doesn't think Utah will go as far as they are capable as long as Huntley is QB1 (he's excited about Rising). I don't agree with his take on that necessarily but there are concerns about his consistency and how far he can really take the U. Cheers my friend!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - "U have a new OC, new nuances, new lingo...it takes time for most players to adapt."
    The coach adapts more than the players. We're not talking radical changes, where Ludwig is replacing a spread offense with a triple option run game. Every playbook is going to have basically the same plays. The key is knowing what to call, when. Ute fans aren't worried about a "new" OC, because he's been here before and he's been a D1 OC for many years.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    U-H Alum/Mike:
    "...when it comes to talk'n about ball......... I always respect my buddy Cougsndawgs and his realistic insights."

    Same to ya brother! Looking forward to picking your brain on a couple things also...I'm doing baseball right now which I think you said you don't do, but I've had a decent season there. Looking forward to fall my friend!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 14, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    Sparkley Briefs:
    "My fantasy is that they meet your Dawgs in the CFP, but that’s a pretty long shot for our side."

    Thanks for your honesty as well...I'd love to pick your brain about Clay Helton, but that's for another discussion.

    I think it's everyone's fantasy to be in the CFP lol (they need to expand to 8 already). The only programs where it's not so much a hope but almost a given is Bama and Clemson at this point...the rest of us are hoping for the best, and chasing them (hopefully this is the year we boot one of them...or my fantasy, both of them lol). I wouldn't mind one bit if Utah was one of the teams that helped do that. OU vs O$U, Georgia vs Utah? I'm down with that! It's summer, fantasy is allowed. Cheers buddy!

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    June 14, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "Let's take NIU. Utah won on the road, BYU lost at home. Huntley's stats were better than Wilson's v. NIU."

    You're seriously comparing

    Zach's 2nd game started as a true Freshman,
    vs
    Tyler's 2nd game in his THIRD season.

    "I'll venture to guess that you are better the last game of the yr. than the 1st. OC's try thing they shouldn't early on against cupcakes..."

    Don't kid yourself. The Utes keep everything very vanilla in their FCS warm up games, so as not to give anything away to future opponents.

    Zach's rating versus Utah (9-5) blew the socks off of Huntley's performance versus UCLA (3-9)

    Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 rating
    T. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:57 a.m.

    @blue n gold - Redmond, WA

    "So why were Huntley’s numbers versus Weber St so mediocre compared to Wilson’s numbers versus Western Michigan?"
    -----------------------------

    I'll venture to guess that you are better the last game of the yr. than the 1st. OC's try thing they shouldn't early on against cupcakes, etc. Lot of reasons.

    Let's see how Wilson does against USC this yr. Huntley went 22-29 for 341 passing and 4 TDs, last yr. And was taken out in the 4th to give Shelley some reps.

    I'd venture to say that even a "down" USC team is far better than the WMU team BYU played. But hey, that's just me guessing.

    Let's take NIU. Utah won on the road, BYU lost at home. Huntley's stats were better than Wilson's v. NIU. Can you answer why? Wilson had a great game the week prior, at Hawaii. And Huntley's stats v. NIU still weren't great by any means.

    We'll see game 1 this yr.

    Which may be an unfair comparison as Utah will be the best team BYU faces this yr. BYU won't be the best team Utah faces this yr.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 14, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    Coug, you make some good points, worth debating.

    My thought is this:

    Ludwig has needed experience and knows how to work with Kyle. He was the OC at Wisconsin when Melvin Gordon rushed for 2,587 in 2014, receiving the Doak Walker and #2 in Heisman votes. Ludwig was the OC at Utah in 08', Cal, Wisconsin and Vanderbuilt after that. He's fine tuned his craft. TT was a 1st time OC at the D-1 level.

    Grimes is still a work in progress and learning on the job.

    While Utah was the #72 offense in the nation, BYU's was #101. And BYU faced much easier defenses on the aggregate.

    Huntley had 4 straight games with 40 points or more against good teams, before breaking his collar bone last yr. He's bulked up in a good way and should be more durable. Moss is just good. As are DHC, Green, Brumfield and two really promising RBs coming in as freshman. WR, Covey, Dixon, Nacua, Simpkins, Enis, Thompson, T-Boney Smith, etc. TE, Fatheringham and Kuithe. For Utah, that's loaded.

    USC is truly loaded. So, it is relative, but I'd take Moss over any of their RBs right now.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 14, 2019 7:23 a.m.

    I see many great points by Arizona Ute, but when it comes to talk'n about ball......... I always respect my buddy Cougsndawgs and his realistic insights. We slightly disagree at times, but rarely. I will say that BYu football is not a decent program these days and I believe it will eventually disband.

    I thunk the Y will go 5-7 or maybe 6-6 in 2019. They simply don't have the horses and a horrific coaching staff.

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    June 14, 2019 6:47 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs,

    Okay, I’ll admit it, I was just pulling your chain with Team B stuff and I respect your honest reply and will put that nonsense away. You are correct that the Utes have not been superlative on offense in past years. However, we have seen flashes of excellent play from Huntley, there is no question that Zach Moss is a human bulldozer, Covey can be a gamechanger, and the young receiving core is gaining traction. Sure we haven’t seen the Utes consistently put it all together yet for a long stretch, but they are certainly better at the skill positions than any Ute team since entering the conference. As long as USC (my team B!) is in disarray and UCLA wastes it talent, the Utes are probably the best program in the South right now. With the easiest schedule in the PAC, there is a very good chance that Utah will win the South and have a legit shot at the Rose Bowl or another NY6 bowl. My fantasy is that they meet your Dawgs in the CFP, but that’s a pretty long shot for our side. Regards!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2019 11:58 p.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    Addressing your 2nd post:

    I think the situations with OC's are different. Last year was Grimes' 1st yr as an FBS OC calling plays...his development was interesting to watch and I believe maybe he learned some things to improve on this season. U have a new OC, new nuances, new lingo...it takes time for most players to adapt. But I agree Andy was a great hire...lotta respect for him. Hopefully Kyle gives him a long leash and a lot of leeway (or just stays out of his way).

    I think BYU will be marginally better because Grimes will come in with more experience (both off-season prep and in-game decisions). Zach Wilson will probably have less "deer in the headlights" since he's no longer a freshman being thrown into the fire (those 1st team reps in fall camp matter...didn't get those last year).

    All that said I think BYU is 7-5 if they've truly improved, and most likely 6-6. I've said before, I can't speak for other Y fans but I think they'll be marginally improved but their record may not reflect that considering their schedule. 0-4 is possible to start, but I'm hopeful they get 1, and 2 will only be by divine intervention lol. Cheers, brother

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2019 11:35 p.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    Thank you, as always for being able to have a civil discourse. Let me respond to your points:

    1) More than one U fan on multiple occasions has suggested that the SEC won't schedule Utah because they're afraid of them...if U want it's in the archives. I certainly agree that most reasonable U fans don't think this.

    2) Naval was the author of the "you only chose UGA because Utah beat Bama" nonsense. Hilarious...I don't even remember "choosing" UGA, it's in my blood. But seriously, please don't suggest Bama as "team anything"...makes me sick, we had them TWICE and choked!!

    3) SEC and Utah aren't necessary, as you said...it would be fun, though right?

    4) Utah's defense will be great, the offense will have to be better for this to be a better team IMO. Has the offense had good coaching? They've had no stability or consistency whatsoever, and they'll be installing a new offense...again. We'll see how quickly Andy can get them up to speed. U have the same players from a 71st offense who's experience is only from a different OC...that might be more of a challenge than U fans want to think...and "loaded" is a relative term. USC probably thinks they're more loaded than U.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 13, 2019 10:47 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “So, Weber State finished ranked #110 according to Sagarin. Western Michigan? #106. So, not "MUCH" better.”

    So why were Huntley’s numbers versus Weber St so mediocre compared to Wilson’s numbers versus Western Michigan?

    Player C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
    T. Huntley 25/40 279 7.0 4 1 40.5
    Z. Wilson 18/18 317 17.6 4 0 93.2

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 13, 2019 10:43 p.m.

    Seriously, other than the possibility that Andy can right the ship in one year and/or the south remains a dumpster fire, enlighten me as to why THIS team warrants such optimism. Honest question for all U fans.

    -----

    Utah playing a #26 SOS was ranked #17 before injuries to Huntley, Moss, and Covey. Utah still finished #28.

    Utah plays a softer SOS this year with a better OC and is stacked on defense with 8 NFL prospects. Utah added depth with proven D1 talent at LB and OL.

    Utah just needs a mediocre offense, just hand the ball to Moss 20+ CPG and 10+ CPG to Wilmore and Co.

    The only major question is in the kicking game.

    Which is why EVERYONE from ESPN to Dick Harmon thinks Utah is a potential NY6 bowl team.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:38 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    So, after going 6-6 last yr. and then beating the Sagarin #106 final ranked team in the nation in a bowl game..........why do you think BYU is going to be better THIS yr?

    Same kids, same coaches, same level of recruit. Same results?

    What is going to make them "break out"?

    Ludwig is an upgrade to TT. ESPN called it one of the off season's best hires.

    We upgraded coaches. Is Grimes going to be better than.... Grimes?

    Remember Einstein and doing the same thing but expecting different results? What does that define again?

    Zach Wilson had a brilliant game v. Hawaii. Came home to play NIU and played a stinker, in a home loss to a MAC team. The very next week. No TDs, 1 INT, QB rating of 25.

    ZW may not be consistent. Coming off an injury, missed critical spring reps, and starts the season with no RB experience to speak of in your system?

    Yet, BYU fans predict 3-1 or 2-2 all the time for the 1st 4. What could possibly lead BYU fans to predict that? 0-4 is statistically the most likely outcome.

    But yet.......

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:20 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    I do see the absurdity in what you said, but in all honesty, have never even heard a Ute fan suggest that Utah beating Bama has made SEC teams scared to schedule us.

    Choose Bama as your Team B if you want. Who really cares but Naval?

    Utah doesn't need to schedule SEC teams. They play 10+ P5 as is.

    Why the optimism? I am suggesting that you follow the trail of why national pundits also think this about Utah this yr. They don't think this every yr.

    BYU is returning a lot of players and most every BYU fan thinks BYU will be MUCH better this yr. Crickets from the national guys.

    Players improve with experience and good coaching. Utah returns BIG talent that has experience and is well coached. Utah is loaded at:

    QB, RB, TE, WR and the OL is going to be better than BYU fans want. Huntley will break out!

    DL is ranked #1 in the nation by Phil Steele and has at least 3 NFL draftees THIS yr.
    DBs are stacked and Jaylon Johnson is a potential 1st round pick.
    LB are sort of a question but Manny Bowen, Bernard and Lloyd are complete studs

    Punter will be VERY good again, PK? Utah finds them. Not worried.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2019 7:21 p.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    1) I get what you're saying but let's be honest. Players of that caliber don't sign NLI to play in an "also-ran" bowl. Bama wasn't nearly as motivated as they would have been in a meaningful championship game. In the end though, it doesn't matter, U won, they lost and it was a great accomplishment for Utah football.

    I think the narrative from some U fans that bothers me is that win against Bama somehow makes SEC teams "afraid of U", or "afraid to schedule U". Or my personal favorite, that THAT is the reason I "couldn't choose Bama as my 'team b'" lol. You're a level-headed guy, you can see the absurdity of that right? Fans exaggerate wins and exaggerate losses and use those exaggerations against other fans...we can certainly agree on that.

    2) The "BYU narrative" isn't blocking my view from asking legitimate questions. I'm asking why the optimism...pundits are going to say whatever they think but why do they (and U) think this team isn't going to be more of the same from last year (U finished unranked). It's the same guys only they'll be trying to run a different offense. I know what the pundits are saying, explain why U buy into it and think they're right.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2019 6:49 p.m.

    Sparkley Briefs:
    "Of course we all pause to acknowledge that the Utes are not as good as Team B(ulldog), hence your calling our RB “mediocre” so that you can list out some Team B backs etc when challenged."

    First of all, I apologize for bringing UGA into these threads...I recognize it's annoying to fans who don't care about them here, so I will try and minimize that more in the future. I get it, so that is that (and FWIW BYU and UGA are my guys- hence my screen name, no "team C" especially Bama who I can't stand, but I do respect them).

    Now with that being said, my point was that Utah was 71st in total offense last year. I think we can agree that's mediocre. Not calling any player out personally for that, but it is what it is. How will that improve with essentially the same cast of characters returning?

    My second point is, do U feel the south will be bad again, and allow a "mediocre" Utah offense to get by, or will it be better, in which case Utah's offense will probably have to be better than they were last year (again with same players from last year). And will Andy be able to provide that difference in his first year, or will it take time before he elevates the U offense?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 13, 2019 5:36 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    Two things:

    1) With due respect, the narrative Ute fans hear, from BYU fans, is how bad Utah is, and how bad their conference is and how irrelevant they are. In 2008, while a good team for Utah, wasn't good nationally (MWC team, etc). Bama didn't want to be there, Blah, blah, blah.

    Bama had been ranked #1 for 6 weeks of that season. Had ONLY lost to Florida who won the NC that yr. And hadn't been to a BCS bowl for many yrs. 11 of their starters were drafted in that yr's draft. One RB went on to win the Heisman in a later yr., etc.

    A Saban coached Bama team who didn't want to be there, should be good enough, with enough talent, to have beaten lowly Utah, right? 08" was a very good Utah team. And they proved it on the field v. a very good Bama team. Finished #2, only undefeated team in D-1. They had 16, 1st pl. votes, etc.

    2) Why is there so much optimism this yr.? Ask Phil Steele, the NFL, national pundits who rank teams, position groups, and individual players. Ask the preseason polls, etc.

    So many, nationally, are seeing this is a good team. Perhaps the BYU narrative re: Utah, is blocking this from your view?

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 5:25 p.m.

    Seattle:

    “Ha, keep pretending you're relevant only to get sent to the LV bowl. THAT is what the country thinks of the utes.”

    By that, I guess you’re saying the Utes aren’t relevant, but the Aggies are? Most people know the Utes for their amazing defenses, players sent to the NFL and busting the BCS twice. As well as jumping from G5 to P5. Not to mention, a long tenured coach who is one of the best at development players. “What the country thinks” is something you just made up! LV bowl comment just sounds desperate and weak.

    Also, USU is BARELY sitting above .500 since 2008, at 65-64. You have as many losses as you do wins. With an abysmal overall bowl record of 5-8. They had a good year in ‘18. But let’s see if they can keep it up. Or go back to the norm of 3 and 6 win seasons. The Aggies are not known for much. About as relevant as most of the other Mtn West teams.

    But with Gary, they “should” continue to climb that ladder in the Mtn West, and I hope they do! As a Utah fan, I absolutely do not miss playing teams like Wyoming, New Mexico, AF etc. So enjoy the ride!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    June 13, 2019 4:59 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs,

    I think that there is optimism at Utah because the team is returning a lot of talent on both sides of the ball, probably several future NFL players included. Sure there are question marks here and there, and nobody expects a CFP run, but the Utes should be one of the best 10-20 teams in the country. Of course we all pause to acknowledge that the Utes are not as good as Team B(ulldog), hence your calling our RB “mediocre” so that you can list out some Team B backs etc when challenged. Have at it good sir! And good luck to both of your teams having an above mediocre year. BTW, the Utes hammered the (Team?) C tide at the Sugar Bowl because they were better. Just ask the scoreboard.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 13, 2019 4:33 p.m.

    "Just look at what NW did to them."

    Who is "them" - Utah? Yeah - that was pretty brutal to "them."

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "Brian Johnson's performance of dismantling #4 Alabama was absolutely phenomenal!"

    I'm pretty sure Bama had to dress the scout team because starters' minds were all in Miami and what might have been lol. NO ONE but U fans and gump-haters believe the CT showed up for the Sugar Plum Fluke of 2009. But that's another rabbit hole and dead horse for another day.

    As for this season, I have my doubts about U. You're returning a lot of guys to an offense that was mediocre and somehow U think said offense or QB/RB will magically be less mediocre this season? With the added question marks on the O-line? With how last season ended? With a new offense (albeit a returning offense) to install?

    Seriously, other than the possibility that Andy can right the ship in one year and/or the south remains a dumpster fire, enlighten me as to why THIS team warrants such optimism. Honest question for all U fans.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 13, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    @Elkhorn - Loveland, CO

    "Western Michigan was good enough to play in a bowl and was MUCH better than any of the FCS teams Utah plays every year."
    -----------------------
    So, Weber State finished ranked #110 according to Sagarin. Western Michigan? #106. So, not "MUCH" better. As you claim.

    Weber St. was ranked higher than 4 teams BYU played last yr.

    McNeese State #187
    New Mexico State #166
    UMass #138
    Hawaii #117

    Ouch!!

    So, Utah's ONE terrible FCS team they schedule is better than 4 of the FCS, or terrible FBS teams, BYU schedules? And that's smack?

    Do you hear yourself when you try and talk smack? I'd suggest researching some things before rolling out your next "zinger".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 13, 2019 1:24 p.m.

    Elkhorn - Loveland, CO
    June 13, 2019 11:25 a.m.
    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “It is obvious that the majority of Y fans consider lil' Zachary Wilson the latest ‘golden calf’...”

    And why shouldn’t they?

    Zach had a near perfect game vs BYU’s last opponent, a game that dwarfs any performance by any Utah QB versus any Utah opponent in history.

    -----

    Nick Saban disagrees.

    Brian Johnson's performance of dismantling #4 Alabama was absolutely phenomenal!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 13, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    Marked it Down - Park City, UT
    June 12, 2019 5:01 p.m.
    utemythology

    No confusion here, it’s quite obvious that you’re just as confused as ever.

    ------

    What part of 12 > 16 > 46, eludes you?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 13, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    "Western Michigan . . . was MUCH better than any of the FCS teams Utah plays every year."

    cooghorn:

    Apples and kumquats. The question is, was Directional State MUCH better that any of the FCS teams BYU-P plays every year?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 13, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    @ Elkhorn,

    No matter what I, or others state as fact, that doesn't mean that U and almost all Y fans won't always "hero worship." That will never end, no matter how invalid it is in the REAL WORLD.

    Lil' Zachary Wilson has been totally shut down vs good defenses(No Illinois and Utah) and hasn't beaten a decent team. That is fact. Wilson had a fine game vs almost the worst pass defense in the FBS last year = Western Michigan.

    Two poor teams facing off in the "NOTHING BURGER" Potato Bowl last year doesn't hold any credence with anyone.......a fact.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    June 13, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “It is obvious that the majority of Y fans consider lil' Zachary Wilson the latest ‘golden calf’...”

    And why shouldn’t they?

    Zach had a near perfect game vs BYU’s last opponent, a game that dwarfs any performance by any Utah QB versus any Utah opponent in history:

    Z. Wilson - 18/18, 317 yds, 17.6 avg, 4 TDs, 0 Ints, 322 QBR

    * don’t even bother with your “weak opponent” spin

    Western Michigan was good enough to play in a bowl and was MUCH better than any of the FCS teams Utah plays every year.

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    June 13, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    46&2-
    “Remember, YOU are a lucky, very questionable PI call that went the Aggies way in OT from being 0-3 vs the Utes in your last three."

    OK, fine, both can be true. Rivalry looks close. Utes have outscored Ags by a combined 7 pts in last 3 games. Your admin saw the writing on the wall and did the smart thing. Can't blame them. Can't be losing to little brother.

    "The reality is, J Love beat absolutely nobody impressive last season. The Utes own the Aggies, and it not close and you know it!"

    The Utes needed an onside kick to beat the Ags at home to not lose 2 in a row. In the history of college football exactly ZERO teams that thought they could wind straight-up have used an onside kick. Too funny

    "I am still very curious as to who YOU think Love beat last season that was so “great”. Can’t wait for this response..."

    Again, Jordan can't control the schedule. He can only put up video game numbers on the teams he plays. Oh, and he looked pretty good against a good B10 defense. You know, a similar B10 defense to the one your mighty utes only managed 20 points against. Ha, keep pretending you're relevant only to get sent to the LV bowl. THAT is what the country thinks of the utes.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    Girls girls girls, you are all pretty.

    /But the Utes are the prettiest.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 13, 2019 9:22 a.m.

    "Arizona Ute's" last remark is SO spot on! We Utes, since the PAC invite, have seen our football team evolve with better talent year after year. With that said...........ALL Utes have a sense of "hope," and for many valid reasons. But, we KNOW that "stuff happens" and we gotta stay healthy. I, like most Utes in 2019, are hoping for good things.......let us see how it goes!!!!!!?

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 13, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    It is obvious that the majority of Y fans consider lil' Zachary Wilson the latest "golden calf" that will deliver their JUCO-esque football team to ol' WAC era "glory" again. Well, that ain't gonna happen folks. He is just an okay, unfounded commodity at this point. His gruesomely slow, unfit and untalented supporting cast will surely hamper his efforts......we all saw that last season......vs Northern Illinois as a prime example. I like the kiddo, but BYu is what it "is" these days.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 13, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    @Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA

    "So, who came out on top in the Preseason League?"
    -------------------------

    Clearly Utah is the "preseason winner" with the preseason polls, position group rankings, individual player predictions and rankings, conference and bowl predictions, NFL draft expectations, etc. All from national pundits.

    But great point. All of this means nothing right now. Maybe they got it right maybe not.

    Can't wait for the season and that has nothing to do with preseason hype. I look forward to it every season.

    As Utah fans have long said. Rather have post season (post game) hype than preseason (or pre-game) hype.

    Go Utes!

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    June 13, 2019 6:57 a.m.

    If

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 13, 2019 12:42 a.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii

    What??!!

    You don't consider S'mores and Fruit Punch to be "good nutrition"?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 13, 2019 12:40 a.m.

    So, who came out on top in the Preseason League?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 12, 2019 11:57 p.m.

    @CougarForever - Holladay, Utah

    Preseason rankings are whack but it's nice to get some pub for the local boys.

    "Wilson looks pretty solid"......Well, so did Taysom, until he didn't. You're always just one play away from playing if you are QB2.

    I don't wish injury on anyone. Especially the local QBs.

    Huntley, against strong competition, will do better than any local, non-Ute, fan thinks. He will be very good this yr., should he stay healthy.

    Wilson, frankly has a lot to prove. He went 3-3 in the regular season last yr. Literally beating 3 of the worst teams on BYU's schedule. He lost to NIU, of the MAC, at home, with zero TDs, & 1 INT for a whopping 25 QB rating. After having a good game v. Hawaii the week before.

    Wilson seems like he could be a good. But don't let his bowl performance set your expectations.

    An 0-4 start is likely. And that's a team thing. NOT a Wilson thing. He is going to face some good defenses.

    Utah may well be the best overall team BYU plays in 19'. Even though BYU fan's don't want to believe it.

    Let's play and find out.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    June 12, 2019 10:12 p.m.

    These rankings will change considerably as the season progresses. Wilson has the football IQ (including being able to read defenses well), the ability to make multiple throws and enough mobility to eclipse both Love and Huntley. I would worry far less about Wilson's durability than either Huntley's or Love's. Wilson looks really solid by comparison.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 12, 2019 10:02 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    “USU played against the #113 ranked SOS last year.....
    We played against the #26 ranked SOS.”

    Yet, #22/#21 USU and Love were BETTER than Huntley and unranked Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2019 9:28 p.m.

    SeattleAggie
    Remember, you're a lucky onside kick away from being 1-2 against Ustate in your last 3.

    -------

    Remember, Utah was one unlucky drop pass, kick to a CB, to a pick 6 away from a Rose Bowl.

    Utah was also an unlucky, no-call, in OT in Logan with a D2 QB away from 3-0 vs Utah State.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    June 12, 2019 9:19 p.m.

    PorLibertad - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:37 p.m.
    @Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Now just prove it on the field Utah and then we'll take our hat off to you ...

    ----------------------

    Says a member of a fanbase who, after eight consecutive losses to Utah, still refuses to even entertain the idea that Utah is superior.

    We've been "proving it on the field" for this entire decade. Forgive me if I won't be waiting on pins and needles for that tip of the hat you have no intention of giving.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 12, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    This list seems pretty accurate to me, except I would probably switch Lawrence and Tua. Tua seemed to struggle late in the season, while Lawrence actually seemed to get better.

    As for the local boys I don't have a problem with their ranking either. Regardless who they've played against Jordan Love has the most upside and talent just from watching them play (an opinion shared by NFL scouts). Huntley had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio last year which isn't anything to write home about and Wilson was only a freshman playing against predominantly weaker defenses so he's more an enigma than the other two.

    Hope all 3 have a great season and stay out of the medical tent.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 8:25 p.m.

    SeattleCougie:

    “Remember, you're a lucky onside kick away from being 1-2 against Ustate in your last 3.”

    Remember, YOU are a lucky, very questionable PI call that went the Aggies way in OT from being 0-3 vs the Utes in your last three.

    That game is fun, huh? If 40 years is too much to go back in the rivalry, should we cut it down to 25? Or 15? What do you think Captain Cherry Picker?

    The reality is, Jordan Love beat absolutely nobody impressive last season. The Utes own the Aggies, and it’s not even close. And you know it!

    But...I am still very curious as to who YOU think Love beat last season that was so “great”. Can’t wait for this response...

  • CO Ute , 00
    June 12, 2019 8:24 p.m.

    Typical pre season trash talk. Jordan Love is a talented kid playing a weak schedule. Wish him the best and hope he puts up great numbers. Zach Wilson hasn’t played well against good competition for a full game. Let’s see how he does the opening month of the season.

    Huntley has a ton of talent and at least one talented QB behind him. If he can avoid injury, the U offense will be better than we have seen in years. Despite all the complaining by Y fans, Utah plays a big boy schedule and the PAC 12 will continue to show the Cougars where they fit in the talent rankings.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 12, 2019 6:35 p.m.

    p.s. Michigan State hovered around.500 all year long, finishing completely nationally irrelevant.

    Just look at what NW did to them.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 12, 2019 6:25 p.m.

    Edit—

    “I WANT usu fans to discontinue.....”

    Go Utes !

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 12, 2019 6:11 p.m.

    usu played against the #113 ranked SOS last year.....We played against the #26 ranked SOS.

    TH destroyed Stanford on their home field, which Sagarin ranked highly & which finished just outside the Top-25, significantly higher regarded than anybody JL beat.

    I was usu fans to discontinue their spin and directly answer the following question—

    Who exactly did JL beat against usu’s #113 ranked SOS to warrant such a lofty ranking?

    Again, #113 ranked SOS!

    Even one single good opponent? One?

    Go Utes!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 12, 2019 5:01 p.m.

    utemythology

    No confusion here, it’s quite obvious that you’re just as confused as ever.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2019 4:48 p.m.

    @backpacn - Sandy, UT

    It's amazing how much trouble you're having grasping the very simple concept that preseason position rankings are nothing but meaningless speculation.

    -----

    They are still MORE meaningful than YOUR fantasies:

    "Jordan Love > Zach Wilson > Tyler Huntley"

    If you're still confused, ask one of your Coog buddies.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    backpacn - Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2019 4:06 p.m.
    utemythology

    "12 > 16 > 46"

    are nothing but preseason hype, which you would be totally dismissing if the names attached to those numbers were

    #12 Wilson > #16 Love > #46 Huntley

    -----

    Yes, I totally dismiss your fantasies.

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    June 12, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    46&2- keep talking about the past 40 years (you sure you're not a coug?). Remember, you're a lucky onside kick away from being 1-2 against Ustate in your last 3.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2019 4:06 p.m.

    utemythology

    "12 > 16 > 46"

    are nothing but preseason hype, which you would be totally dismissing if the names attached to those numbers were

    #12 Wilson > #16 Love > #46 Huntley

    which could very well be the case by season's end.

    It's amazing how much trouble you're having grasping the very simple concept that preseason position rankings are nothing but meaningless speculation.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:58 p.m.

    SeattleAggie:

    “Obviously J Love can't control the schedule he plays. He threw for 319 against MSU (better D than Utah) while scoring 31”

    Research is your friend. As of January 2019, MSU had a passing defense of 62. Utah’s was ranked at 53. Since you mentioned ...”He threw”. So how is MSU’s passing D “better” than Utah’s again? He scored 31, and still lost, to a passing defense not even in the top 50. Congratulations? Way to celebrate margin of defeat. Are you sure you’re not a coug fan?

    So basically, losing to MSU was the high point of your 2018 season? I would think it was defeating the mighty cougs of Provo.

    There’s a good chance we’ll be playing USU in the near future. Should we discuss the record between the two teams? Since the Utes are “ too afraid” to play? Utah has lost to the Aggies six times in forty years. Three were in Logan. Scary indeed!

    Good luck to Love, a fun QB he is to watch!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:54 p.m.

    We're still waiting for

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    to regale us with tales of his "much more vast and impressive accomplishments" on the world stage

    than Jimmer has achieved.

    As usual, he's ALL talk, but NO walk.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:49 p.m.

    "This might come as a shock to you, but nobody outside of Utah even knows the difference between USU and UU."

    Wow! Nobody outside of Utah includes all people in metro Seattle. That's kind of interesting that even self-proclaimed Aggie fans there don't know the difference.

  • Rusty Filter ,
    June 12, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    As always the Utes are telling us that they have the rose Bowl in the bag

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    June 12, 2019 3:42 p.m.

    SeattleAggie - Maple Valley, WA
    June 12, 2019 2:58 p.m.
    Haha, ekute says-
    SeattleAggie,
    The Aggies play small ball. Stay in your lane.
    ——
    This might come as a shock to you, but nobody outside of Utah even knows the difference between USU and UU. But keep talking about how big time you guys are
    ___

    As someone who lives on the East Coast, I have NEVER met a person who confused Utah with Utah St. EVERY college sports fan knows the difference. Any real college fan is likely able to identify over 100 schools, can name their mascots and colors, and even name 70-80% of the cities the schools are in. Your narrative is dopey and completely false.

  • PorLibertad Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:37 p.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum:

    My gut still hurts from laughing at your comments. Talk about a fan with a fat head. If Utah goes to the Rose Bowl I'll be very surprised. Utah has hyped themselves up before and still no conference championship to show for it. That said, we all know the PAC-12 is no longer one of the power leagues so Utah might have a better chance than usual this year if they can stay healthy.

    However, things might not look so bright for them if they lose their opening non-conference game in their own state. I like BYU's chances in that game despite all the red hype.

    Now just prove it on the field Utah and then we'll take our hat off to you - especially if you get enough wins in the "conference of champions" games and make it to the Rose Bowl!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    northern_lights - Layton, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:11 p.m.
    Jordan Love > Zach Wilson > Tyler Huntley

    That's just the way it is,

    ----

    Sorry you're having such a hard time with this.

    12 > 16 > 46

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 12, 2019 3:28 p.m.

    Huntley's accuracy would improve if he would grip the ball by the laces - just sayin..........

  • Uteofferouus Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:25 p.m.

    @Forty Six & 2:

    Hmmm. Early in the pre-season for taking cheap shots but that is nothing new. We've heard lofty talk about the Utes now since they joined the PAC-12 but alas they haven't won a conference championship yet after quite a few years.

    Oh, and perhaps we should mention that the "conference of champions" hasn't exactly been viewed as much of a league for the last few years have they? So speaking of great competition, Utah hasn't exactly played giant killers within their own league.

    Let's see how that first game for BYU and Utah goes. I think Utah should be favored, they appear to be a pretty good team this year, so if they are so good, they should have no trouble at all against the boys in blue down in Provo, right?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2019 3:13 p.m.

    SeattleAggie - Maple Valley, WA

    Obviously J Love can't control the schedule he plays. He threw for 319 against MSU (better D than Utah) while scoring 31, so I doubt he would have struggled against the U(or anyone else in P12)

    --------

    Only in your fantasies!

    Passing Yards Per Game
    #52 Utah 213
    #64 Michigan State 230

    Yards Per Game
    #14 Michigan State 312
    #15 Utah 315

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    June 12, 2019 3:11 p.m.

    Jordan Love > Zach Wilson > Tyler Huntley

    That's just the way it is,

    regardless of how many SOS trophies our dear little friends on the hill bestow upon Tyler.

    Love is the best, Huntley has already peaked, but...

    "all signs point to a breakout year for [Wilson] the rising sophomore."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 12, 2019 3:05 p.m.

    Huntley just needs to remain healthy.

    If he does Utah has a great chance at a Top 10 finish and NY6 bowl.

    Go UTES!

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    June 12, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    Haha, ekute says-
    SeattleAggie,
    The Aggies play small ball. Stay in your lane.
    ——
    This might come as a shock to you, but nobody outside of Utah even knows the difference between USU and UU. But keep talking about how big time you guys are

  • NORCALUTE Modesto, CA
    June 12, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    The Utes are stacked everywhere: QB, LB, OL, DL, DB's, S, RB, Receivers...the list goes on and on...if they stay healthy, they'll have a banner year...get your hotel reservations in Pasadena now!

    Go Utes! Gods Team!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    AlwaysAnAggie "If Wilson goes through his first 6-8 games uninjured he should be able to glide through the rest of the season."
    If Wilson goes 0-4, the fans will turn on him and he can sit the rest of the season uninjured.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 12, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    SeattleAggie,
    The Aggies play small ball. Stay in your lane.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 12, 2019 1:21 p.m.

    BYu needs Max Hall to tell #46 Zachary Wilson what it is all about making turnovers to Utah due to fright! I imagine that Joke Hypes, Tanner Whoever, Taysom the "gadget guy," and Rudy Nelson(Nick Emery's new partner).........can all contribute in vivid terms as well.........Utah @ BYu in August = we ALL know........ Gooooooo Utes!

  • fmalad Malad, ID
    June 12, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    If Love was on a power 5 conference team he would be in the top 5. It's a tough road and few make it! As far as the BYU QB he could be hurt by the end of the year as tough as their schedule is. He better pray that his OC line can protect him for the toughest schedule in school history. Huntley is injury prone and Love might be hamburger after the LSU game with an unproven line! I hate giving too many kudos to the QBs. Just a few years back I remember how the media was claiming that Jake Heaps was going to set all kind of records. It will be a mircle if all three QBs can finish the year without a major injury! I hope all three make it in the NFL!

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    June 12, 2019 1:16 p.m.

    Currently, Jack Tuttle is not listed as the starter at IU. Perhaps he can still win the job or transfer again.

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    June 12, 2019 12:42 p.m.

    46&2 says-
    tell us, WHO did Love beat?
    They played 2 good teams last year, Boise and Michigan State. How’d those turn out? Lisk could have put up those numbers with that schedule.

    Obviously J Love can't control the schedule he plays. He threw for 319 against MSU (better D than Utah) while scoring 31, so I doubt he would have struggled against the U(or anyone else in P12). Jordan basically missed 2 full games by not playing in the second half last year. Oh well, I don't know why you and I are arguing, every publication that ranks QBs (you know, the people that really KNOW and get paid to do it?) has JL as the better QB. I'll take their opinion over yours. Good luck trying to reach your title game.

    And please don't tell me that the Ags act like they've been there and done that. The Utes make the p12 title game in a down year but still can't beat a team that lost to the 11th place SEC team. Laughable.

    Oh, and just because it's true, I gotta say it....with you guys weren't scared to play the Ags. Gary is gonna be in Logan for the long haul this time and I think we might be able to pass you guys as we've done the school in provo.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 12, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    I totally agree with Brave Sir Robin's comment. The "Utah narrative," which we ALL are accustomed to, have been for over 40 years, is that BYu's current QB is the Heisman Trophy fave.

    Now, this is no joke and true as of last week.........I'm friends with a few Mormons and I told a LDS bishop who has always been a dear buddy about a t-shirt slogan I thought-up........."The BYU Zach Attack for HEISMAN!" And in fact......those t-shirts have already been printed. And, I have one in my possession now.

    Stuff is kinda different down in Utah County......we all know.....

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    SeattleAggie:

    If it’s “not even close” between Huntley and Love...then tell us, WHO did Love beat?
    They played two good teams last year, Boise and Michigan State. How’d those turn out? Lisk could have put up those numbers with that schedule.

    This is where you come in with “the Utes are too scared to play in Logan” reply.

    FWIW, I’m also a Utah State fan. But don’t act like the Aggies have been there done that. Most years, they’re terrible to mediocre, and playing a terrible to mediocre schedule as well. Be glad GA came back, or it would probably return to the norm up in Logan. It may anyways.

  • AlwaysAnAggie Hyrum, UT
    June 12, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    I think that Utah States schedule this year will show how good of a quarterback Jordan Love is. If he does well against Wake Forest, LSU, and Boise State then I think he will of proved himself. USU's MWC schedule is also upgraded by playing San Diego State, Nevada, and Fresno State instead of San Jose, UNLV, and Hawaii. So better competition, a better test, we will see what kind of quarterback Mr. Love is. Utah has good competition weekly, so if Huntley does well it will be a credit to him and his team. If Wilson goes through his first 6-8 games uninjured he should be able to glide through the rest of the season. It will be an interesting season.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 12, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    @ FT,

    Although not mentioned in this article, I truly think Shelley is a much better QB than Huntley. And, there is "Bad Moon" Rising that could play for Utah this season.......? My sole fear is that Jason Shelley may transfer......that would be a killer for Utah football.

    It ALL remains to be unknown........oh my........

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • SeattleAggie Maple Valley, WA
    June 12, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    Forty Six & 2 - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    I’d like to see how Love and Wilson do against better competition. Both impressive, but haven’t exactly beaten anyone worth talking about
    ------------
    This is terrific. Um, who exactly has Huntley beaten?? A couple very pedestrian Stanford and Oregon teams. Love is the better QB and it isn't close.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 12, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    Good recognition and we're all fortunate to see some great QB's this Fall. One has to wonder where Jason Shelly would fall into this list. As he showed he has as much potential as any of these three when called upon last season.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 12, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    I am a huge fan of Jordan Love and believe that he is potential NFL starting QB material if he continues to mature. Tyler Huntley is a very gutsy, clever player, although undersized and doesn't possess the innate IQ to play QB at the pro level, but if he plays well this season.......my beloved Utes will be very good indeed. As far as lil' Zachary Wilson........I like his abilities and he is a very cagey intellect, throws some nice balls for sure, but he is just not in shape whatsoever and that won't improve at BYu, where they don't remotely prioritize nutrition and fitness. When he does finally take a real solid hit......he'll be badly injured without one doubt!

    I think all we Utes are thrilled about our potential for this upcoming season......stay HEALTHY!

    Goooooooo Utes!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 12, 2019 9:21 a.m.

    These rankings do not fit the local narrative at all. There's only one solution: The article should be taken down immediately!

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    I’d like to see how Love and Wilson do against better competition. Both impressive, but haven’t exactly beaten anyone worth talking about. Yes coug fans, we know, we know...don’t EVER take into account as to who they actually beat. As long as they’re teams that aren’t in the top 100, you’re golden.

    As for Huntley, if he stays healthy, and has a good line to protect him, watch out! And we all know how good Moss is to cut down on Huntley’s runs. Less than three months...Go Utes!!!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 12, 2019 9:04 a.m.

    "Huntley, meanwhile, was ranked No. 16 overall, No. 3 in the Pac-12."

    If, at the end of the season, this prove accurate, Utah will have an outstanding year.

    Consider 5 Utes on the offensive side, and 8 Utes on the defensive side have been ranked as All PAC-12 to All American teams preseason.