@BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT"BYU will be much better this
year. Utah, Tennessee, USC, and Washington is a really tough start. Throw in
Boise and USU, this schedule is tougher than Utah's."----------------------It's never been close to as tough as
Utah's, since PAC 12 and Independence happened.I would bet a
lot of $$ (if I were a betting man), that Utah's SOS will be tougher at the
end of the season.USU and Boise have massive losses, personnel wise.
And who knows about Tenn? If it is tougher than Utah's, BYU
won't make a bowl game. BYU lost 15 games the last 2 yrs.
alone. Going 6-6 in regulation last yr. Against a not very tough schedule.Zach Wilson talks a big game but has yet to beat a team ranked better
than #100. Facts.C. Kaufusi and Wakitaki, both gone, were
BYU's best defensive players. I don't buy the narrative on the OL
this yr. either.As typical, BYU will beat the bad teams and lose to
the better teams on their schedule. It's very likely BYU starts
0-4. And if BSU, USU, USF and SDSU are just good. BYU splits that. And Toledo
on the road is an unknown. Bowl game? Maybe.
Wow. Lots of bragging and predictions. Here are mine:Utah will be
Utah. Unless the new OC gums things up. 2nd in their PAC12 division. I hope the
Utes believe all the hype you clowns are spouting.Huskies are
unknown, but Coach Peterson is the best coach in the PAC12. They'll be the
best in the West. Again.Utah State will win their conference
championship unless Love gets hurt.BYU will be much better this
year. Utah, Tennessee, USC, and Washington is a really tough start. Throw in
Boise and USU, this schedule is tougher than Utah's.
@blue n gold - Redmond, WA"LOL at your wanton jealous
angst."--------------------------Such a "BYU
narrative" classic.Honest question here. What, again, is giving
Utah fans 'jealous angst'? That a kid we offered a
preferred walk-on to, got a scholarship at BYU and now starts? I think we are
saying "good for him".That ZW started last yr. v. Utah.
Utah still won. #8 in a row to boot. This very article has Huntley
- Utah's QB - ranked as the #16 QB in the nation. 30 spots higher than
ZW.These are the things that are giving Utah fans "jealous
angst"?You sure about that????
@blue n gold - Redmond, WAI do agree that ZW's bowl game was a
great game for him and your team. Don't want to take that away from
him.But ZW still has yet to beat a team ranked better than #100 in
the nation. NIU finished ranked #84 according to Sagarin. And BYU/ZW lost that
game. Wilson had a QB rating of 25.9 w/zero TDs and 1 INT.I
don't care what # start any game was for him. He tore it up against Hawaii
in his 1st start. Shouldn't you get better as you go?I mean, I
think you are saying the bowl game was a culmination of his tremendous
improvement, right? Wilson may be good but he isn't special.
Trevor Lawrence is special. The national publication that this
article was written about, has Huntley 30 spots better than ZW. Who comes in
at #46. They are taking into account his bowl game and the fact they think he
could have a "breakout" season. Whatever that means. Love
#12Huntley #16Wilson #46Utah fans didn't make this
list. Some national guy did. We'll just have to wait and see what
actually happens now.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Maybe all the wanton Y fans can erect a new
bronze statue of lil' Zachary..."LOL at your wanton jealous
angst.Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NEVER had a QB worthy of
having a bronze statue erected...and NEVER will.
Arizona Ute@blue n gold - Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2
TD, 1 Int, 143.9 ratingT. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6
rating---"Nice cherry picking. I mean, why pick
UCLA?"Simple, it was Huntley's last complete game against
the worst PAC 12 opponent Huntley played against.Of course, if U
want to compare Huntley's final game of 2018 (17th game started)withWilson's final game of 2018 (7th game started), it's
not even close:Z. Wilson 18/18 317 yds, 100.0%, 4 TD, 0 Int, 321.3
ratingT. Huntley 7/15 88 yds, 46.7%, 1 TD, 2 Int, 91.3 rating
@blue n gold - Redmond, WA"Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD,
1 Int, 143.9 ratingT. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6
rating"-----------------------------Nice cherry picking. I
mean, why pick UCLA? Why not USC? Yeah, for reasons I think we all
know.let's take Huntley's last 4 games combined. All
PAC12 games: (Stanford, USC, UCLA and Arizona)Completion % =
73.3%7 passing TDs2 INTsRating = 17240+ points per
gameAlmost 1,000 passing yards142 rushing yards 2 rushing
TDs.Many BYU fans say Huntley isn't "special". Ok,
Zach Wilson isn't special either. Wilson went 3-3 in regular
season play, only beating teams ranked worse than #100 in the nation. Wilson lost to NIU, ranked #84 in Sagarin's final rankings for 2018. ZW
had ZERO TDs, 1 INT and a rating of 25, while playing at home in Provo. He lit
up #117 Hawaii the week prior. Don't want to hear "the 2nd
start as a true freshman" excuse. It was a MAC team at home. Who finished
#84 in the country. Clemson doesn't make that excuse for
Trevor Lawrence. In any start as a true freshman. And he played against,
overall, harder competition.
@blue n gold - Redmond, WA"Zach was playing MUCH better at the
end of the 2019 season than Huntley."-------------------------Man, I hope so, Huntley didn't play the last 5 games due to a
broken collar bone. I sincerely hope ZW was playing better than him then.
Huntley wasn't playing at all.But, Huntley's last 4 games,
before season ending injury, combined are as follows:QB rating
17273.3% completion7 TDs to 2 INTsnearly 1,000 yards passing.
Utah averaged 40 pts or more per game in Huntley's last 4 last yr.
@ND95CA - Lincoln Park, IL“Rounding out the state’s FBS
quarterbacks was BYU's Zach Wilson, who came in at No. 46 in the rankings.
Lassan noted that all signs point to a breakout year for BYU's rising
miss that blurb at all. ZW went 3-3 last yr in the regular season. only beating
the worst teams BYU played. ZW didn't win a game v. a team ranked better
than #100. Including the bowl game. The same article that has that
"blurb", has him at #46, and they know they said the blurb. The author
is taking that blurb into account in his rankings. The author also
said Huntley will "take a step forward in his final season in SLC."ERGO....Both are getting better in his mind. The author clearly thinks
Huntley will be the better QB this yr., given the rankings. But whatever.In the 4-game stretch before Huntley got hurt, he completed 73.3% of his
passes, w/7 touchdowns, and 2 INTs and about 1,000 passing yards. QB rating for
the combined last 4 games, was 179.He was clearly getting better as
It appears that the BYu "sugar ants" are all over lil' Zachary
Wilson like a half-eaten doughnut sitting on the kitchen countertop. Actually,
when doesn't that ever happen with their new "hero?".......the
current BYu QB...... NEVER!Maybe all the wanton Y fans can erect a
new bronze statue of lil' Zachary next to legendary Jake Heaps at the
entrance of LES........they are probably at it as of this very minute........
“Zach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than
Huntley.”What are you even talking about?TH got
injured after a spectacular October AND missed our final 5 games!ZW
literally beat nobody good last year.Furthermore, that UCLA game was
all about our rushing-attack & the ZM show, given UCLA’s weakness on
D.....TH & our passing-attack were never going to be our primary focus in
that game.Go Utes!
"Zach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than
Huntley."blue'n'Team B:Man, you coogs
forget--your time machine only goes backwards. And a past tense verb
doesn't belong to an unknowable future.
jonny in the cityDespite you denials, the numbers don’t
lie...Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus
UCLA (3-9)Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9
ratingT. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 ratingZach was playing MUCH better at the end of the 2019 season than Huntley.
"Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA
(3-9)"deepcoog:Wow! Then the Utes must have lost
both games, right?Oh . . . wait. Typical coog perspective.
DeepBlue - Anaheim, CAJune 14, 2019 5:33 p.m.Wilson was clearly
playing better at the end of the 2018 season than Huntley.Zach
versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA (3-9)Z.
Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 ratingT. Huntley 13/21 138
yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating-------Huntley
average QB Rating over last 4 games before injury: 172Wlison,
ignoring the outlier: 136
@NDYou obviously missed this little blurb from the article“Rounding out the state’s FBS quarterbacks was BYU's Zach
Wilson, who came in at No. 46 in the rankings. Lassan noted that all signs point
to a breakout year for BYU's rising sophomore.”Ergo, all
signs point to Zach finishing MUCH higher than #46.Huntley will
finish MUCH lower than Love and Wilson.----------You
obviously missed this little blurb:"In addition to leading Utah
to its first Pac-12 South title, Huntley was on pace for a breakout year and a
place among the conference’s top quarterbacks in 2018...New coordinator
Andy Ludwig was one of the offseason’s top assistant hires, and the
veteran play-caller should help Huntley take a step forward in his final year in
Salt Lake City."Ergo, all signs point to Huntley being a Top 25
QB on a Top 25 team.Wilson like BYU will finish 3rd in State.
ArizonaUte “...the article that you are making your statement
in, says Huntley is ranked the #16 best QB in college football. And ZW is 30
spots lower at #46.Pundits that do this for a living have Huntley
significantly better than Wilson in 2019.”You obviously missed
this little blurb from the article:“Rounding out the
state’s FBS quarterbacks was BYU's Zach Wilson, who came in at No. 46
in the rankings. Lassan noted that all signs point to a breakout year for
BYU's rising sophomore.”Ergo, all signs point to Zach
finishing MUCH higher than #46.Huntley will finish MUCH lower than
Love and Wilson.
@mussingaround - Palo Alto, CAFair points Muss. But I
will submit that had Wilson taken the walk-on offer from Utah, instead of the
scholly at BYU, he wouldn't have played one down for Utah. He would have
red shirted, helped with the scout team and held a clip board, if he even
dressed for games at all. Utah wanted a different type of QB, and
had two like Wilson already on the roster.In fact BYU added a late
offer to Wilson due to missing out on Tanner McKee. It's not like they
were on Wilson long, trying to get him to BYU. It has been and will
continue to be a good call for both Wilson and BYU. Kid is a good one.As for being better than Huntley or anyone else? We'll see. They have
different styles and play in different offenses. If we take total
offense and wins. Huntley is better. If we take wins against better teams,
Huntley is better. Honestly, has ZW won a game against a team
ranked better than #100? Real, honest question. I mean, how good is he really?
Not very battle tested and one game has all BYU fandom in a tizzy.
@DeepBlue - Anaheim, CA"Wilson was clearly playing better at the
end of the 2018 season than Huntley."-----------------------Man, I hope so. Huntley didn't play the last 5 games of the season due
to a broken collar bone.
mussingaround - Palo Alto, CAJune 14, 2019 4:22 p.m.re: “NIU
was Huntley's second season as a starter and he had been hurt in the 1st
season.”2018 was still Huntley’s THIRD collegiate
season, his 2nd season as a starter.Absolutely no comparison to a
True Freshman starting only the 2nd game of his collegiate career.-----Huntley as a freshman beat out a Senior QB who was comming
off a #23 9-4 season.Wilson was a backup to Mangum who just led BYU
to a #112 4-9 season.
@DeepBlue - Anaheim, CA"Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NEVER
had a QB as good as TL.Sorry to break it to you, but the Utes are
stuck with an injury prone Huntley, who isn’t nearly as good as Love or
Wilson."--------------------------Most teams have never
had a QB as good as TL. The kid won a Natty as a true freshman, playing out of
his mind on the biggest of stages.I'd submit that BYU has never
had a QB like TL, even with the QB's they have had.You are
certainly welcome to your opinion about Huntley. As far as BYU narrative goes,
you are right on target. It just bounces around the echo chamber.But the article that you are making your statement in, says Huntley is ranked
the #16 best QB in college football. And ZW is 30 spots lower at #46.Pundits that do this for a living have Huntley significantly better than
Wilson in 2019. My opinion is that Wilson may be a very good QB.
But this yr. Huntley will be better than ZW.My point about TL is
that being a freshman isn't something you need to hide behind with Wilson.
He went 3-3 in the regular season, beating only bad teams. Let's see this
Wilson was clearly playing better at the end of the 2018 season than Huntley.Zach versus Utah (9-5) was much better than Huntley versus UCLA (3-9)Z. Wilson 20/29 204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 ratingT.
Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%, 0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating
ArizonaUte “Evidently Zach Wilson is a super star from snap
#1. Trevor Lawrence, wishes he was as good as ZW, right?”LOL
at your desperation dragging TL into the discussion.Unfortunately
for U, the Utes have NEVER had a QB as good as TL.Sorry to break it
to you, but the Utes are stuck with an injury prone Huntley, who isn’t
nearly as good as Love or Wilson.Keep smiling.
re: “NIU was Huntley's second season as a starter and he had been
hurt in the 1st season.”2018 was still Huntley’s THIRD
collegiate season, his 2nd season as a starter.Absolutely no
comparison to a True Freshman starting only the 2nd game of his collegiate
Mike:"We could lose BADLY too! HAHAHA! Look me up on Facebook someday
so we can yak on the phone. I hope all is well in your world my friend!
Mike."Not if I can help it haha! I sent you a request, hope
it's the right Mike R...there's a lot of you! Lol
ArizonaUte:"Trevor Lawrence, wishes he was as good as ZW, right...BTW,
Trevor Lawrence isn't hiding behind being a true freshman who started part
way through the season. Like you are doing with ZW."Let me
address this first before your comments to me: Comparing TL to any other
freshman isn't fair. C'mon man, Lol! TL is a generational talent, the
guy is just filthy. He is as good as his 5* #1 recruit hype, maybe better. So
bringing him into a debate about a 3-star freshman's 2nd start vs a 2 yr
starter's 2nd start of the season isn't really an apples to apples
comparison, is it? "Andy Ludwig won't have lapses in play
calling, game management, game prep, in game adjustments, overall game planning,
getting players ready, etc."I disagree. Every OC has lapses,
ESPECIALLY with different personnel. Even a good OC like Andy had questionable
adjustments and calls against UGA last year...MULTIPLE times, why is Shurmur
looking at a primary post/fade route when UGA is in cover 2 rolling their
star/nickel? Who knows...but bad plays/adjustments happen to everyone.I didn't know Andy was incorporating TT's lingo into his system, so
that's encouraging to hear. Is it August yet? Lol
Utah-Hawaii AlumFor frightened, superstitious fan constantly tossing
meaningless salad...see mirror.Love and Wilson will both
exceed expectations in 2019!Huntley will be a huge bust!Mark it down!
Hey Cougsndawgs, let us see what happens in fall camp and we'll try to see
where we can make some decent wagers......? We could lose BADLY too! HAHAHA!
Look me up on Facebook someday so we can yak on the phone. I hope all is well in
your world my friend! Mike.
I REALLY, am, liking this thread, other than a handful of frightened,
superstitious Y fans tossing salad that is entirely meaningless. Cougsndawgs and
Arizona Ute are having a great convo that is "meaningful" indeed!!!!!
I'm enjoying and learning. Thanks guys!
Uteology:Sorry, I meant to comment earlier because I think your take about
the schedule is a good point. But remember that U were 2-0 against Stanford and
Oregon, so the best U can do is 2-0 against Cal and OSU to break even...U still
play all 3 of the Pac12 teams U lost to last year, so having a softer schedule
won't necessarily help your record. It's a good point though, because
easier opponents also make for less injury, more PT for 2-3 string players etc
so I definitely respect that take.As for Bama in the Sugar Bowl it
is what it is...the truth is it was probably a combination of Utah being a very
good team, and Bama not being ready or motivated for how good Utah really was.
It happens all the time, and Utah deserves credit for beating a really good Bama
team, regardless how motivated they were...fair?
@Gandalph - Sandy, UT@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTGan:NIU was Huntley's second season as a starter and he had been hurt in the
1st season. But yes, I am making that comparison. Evidently Zach
Wilson is a super star from snap #1. Trevor Lawrence, wishes he was as good as
ZW, right?BTW, Trevor Lawrence isn't hiding behind being a true
freshman who started part way through the season. Like you are doing with
ZW.-------------------------Coug:Andy Ludwig won't have
lapses in play calling, game management, game prep, in game adjustments, overall
game planning, getting players ready, etc. He's coordinated all
of this at a very high level for a long time. Grimes is still learning ALL of
that. And he should be a good one but still learning.The players
will come along and he is using a LOT of the lingo TT used. He changed and
learned that lingo and translated it to his system to make it easy for the
players. There are additional plays that get learned, etc, but I
don't think that will be an issue with this team.BTW, we are
all excited about Cam Rising. Think Baker Mayfield. Future is bright.
Gandalph - Sandy, UTJune 14, 2019 10:08 a.m.Arizona Ute"Let's take NIU. Utah won on the road, BYU lost at home.
Huntley's stats were better than Wilson's v. NIU."You're seriously comparing Zach's 2nd game started as a
true Freshman,vsTyler's 2nd game in his THIRD season.-----------------Tyler's 2nd game was at LES and he won,
Wilson lost! Utah 19 at BYU 1327/36 75%300
YDS0 TD 0 INT 145 RATING 68.5 QBRWilson is
an unproven QB, move on.
Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJune 13, 2019 3:48 p.m.Uteology:"Brian Johnson's performance of dismantling #4 Alabama was absolutely
phenomenal!"I'm pretty sure Bama had to dress the scout
team because starters' minds were all in Miami and what might have been
lol. NO ONE but U fans and gump-haters believe the CT showed up for the Sugar
Plum Fluke of 2009. But that's another rabbit hole and dead horse for
another day.-----------------I'm pretty sure
it's not Utah's job to have Bama prepared for their biggest bowl game
in over a decade. Georgia had no problem being prepared and motivated the year
before:2008 Sugar Plum:Georgia 41Hawaii 10Utah also didn't want to be in 2015 Vegas, so what? We showed up for 8
minutes and took care of business.
ArizonaUte:I understand all that...and I don't disagree with most of
it. It is true that Andy has a lot of experience and he's good at what he
does, but it still takes time to install and get everyone on the same page
regardless how much experience an OC has (usually I'd say about 3-5 weeks
into the season and kinks are still being fixed). I think he'll
be a real difference maker at Utah, but patience will be required. Andy
isn't a Lincoln Riley who will have the offense lighting up the scoreboard,
he's methodical and tactical. I'm excited to see what he does...and
hopefully Utah's offense improves sooner rather than later under his watch.
I'm also not sold on Huntley...his upside is really up, but
I've seen him go from "unstoppable" to inept and back to
world-beater again. I think it's just lack of consistency that concerns me
with him. My best friend is a U fan (and ND fan ironically lol) and he
doesn't think Utah will go as far as they are capable as long as Huntley is
QB1 (he's excited about Rising). I don't agree with his take on that
necessarily but there are concerns about his consistency and how far he can
really take the U. Cheers my friend!
Cougsndawgs - "U have a new OC, new nuances, new lingo...it takes time for
most players to adapt."The coach adapts more than the players.
We're not talking radical changes, where Ludwig is replacing a spread
offense with a triple option run game. Every playbook is going to have
basically the same plays. The key is knowing what to call, when. Ute fans
aren't worried about a "new" OC, because he's been here before
and he's been a D1 OC for many years.
U-H Alum/Mike:"...when it comes to talk'n about ball......... I
always respect my buddy Cougsndawgs and his realistic insights."Same to ya brother! Looking forward to picking your brain on a couple things
also...I'm doing baseball right now which I think you said you don't
do, but I've had a decent season there. Looking forward to fall my friend!
Sparkley Briefs:"My fantasy is that they meet your Dawgs in the CFP,
but that’s a pretty long shot for our side."Thanks for
your honesty as well...I'd love to pick your brain about Clay Helton, but
that's for another discussion.I think it's everyone's
fantasy to be in the CFP lol (they need to expand to 8 already). The only
programs where it's not so much a hope but almost a given is Bama and
Clemson at this point...the rest of us are hoping for the best, and chasing them
(hopefully this is the year we boot one of them...or my fantasy, both of them
lol). I wouldn't mind one bit if Utah was one of the teams that helped do
that. OU vs O$U, Georgia vs Utah? I'm down with that! It's summer,
fantasy is allowed. Cheers buddy!
Arizona Ute"Let's take NIU. Utah won on the road, BYU lost
at home. Huntley's stats were better than Wilson's v. NIU."You're seriously comparing Zach's 2nd game started
as a true Freshman,vsTyler's 2nd game in his THIRD season."I'll venture to guess that you are better the last game of the
yr. than the 1st. OC's try thing they shouldn't early on against
cupcakes..."Don't kid yourself. The Utes keep everything
very vanilla in their FCS warm up games, so as not to give anything away to
future opponents.Zach's rating versus Utah (9-5) blew the socks
off of Huntley's performance versus UCLA (3-9)Z. Wilson 20/29
204 yds, 69.0%, 2 TD, 1 Int, 143.9 ratingT. Huntley 13/21 138 yds, 61.9%,
0 TD, 1 Int, 107.6 rating
@blue n gold - Redmond, WA"So why were Huntley’s numbers
versus Weber St so mediocre compared to Wilson’s numbers versus Western
to guess that you are better the last game of the yr. than the 1st. OC's
try thing they shouldn't early on against cupcakes, etc. Lot of reasons.
Let's see how Wilson does against USC this yr. Huntley went
22-29 for 341 passing and 4 TDs, last yr. And was taken out in the 4th to give
Shelley some reps.I'd venture to say that even a "down"
USC team is far better than the WMU team BYU played. But hey, that's just
me guessing.Let's take NIU. Utah won on the road, BYU lost at
home. Huntley's stats were better than Wilson's v. NIU. Can you
answer why? Wilson had a great game the week prior, at Hawaii. And
Huntley's stats v. NIU still weren't great by any means.We'll see game 1 this yr. Which may be an unfair comparison
as Utah will be the best team BYU faces this yr. BYU won't be the best
team Utah faces this yr.
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTCoug, you make some good points, worth
debating.My thought is this:Ludwig has needed experience
and knows how to work with Kyle. He was the OC at Wisconsin when Melvin Gordon
rushed for 2,587 in 2014, receiving the Doak Walker and #2 in Heisman votes.
Ludwig was the OC at Utah in 08', Cal, Wisconsin and Vanderbuilt after
that. He's fine tuned his craft. TT was a 1st time OC at the D-1
level.Grimes is still a work in progress and learning on the job.
While Utah was the #72 offense in the nation, BYU's was #101.
And BYU faced much easier defenses on the aggregate. Huntley had 4
straight games with 40 points or more against good teams, before breaking his
collar bone last yr. He's bulked up in a good way and should be more
durable. Moss is just good. As are DHC, Green, Brumfield and two really
promising RBs coming in as freshman. WR, Covey, Dixon, Nacua, Simpkins, Enis,
Thompson, T-Boney Smith, etc. TE, Fatheringham and Kuithe. For Utah,
that's loaded.USC is truly loaded. So, it is relative, but
I'd take Moss over any of their RBs right now.
I see many great points by Arizona Ute, but when it comes to talk'n about
ball......... I always respect my buddy Cougsndawgs and his realistic insights.
We slightly disagree at times, but rarely. I will say that BYu football is not a
decent program these days and I believe it will eventually disband.I
thunk the Y will go 5-7 or maybe 6-6 in 2019. They simply don't have the
horses and a horrific coaching staff.Gooooooo Utes!
Cougsndawgs,Okay, I’ll admit it, I was just pulling your chain
with Team B stuff and I respect your honest reply and will put that nonsense
away. You are correct that the Utes have not been superlative on offense in
past years. However, we have seen flashes of excellent play from Huntley, there
is no question that Zach Moss is a human bulldozer, Covey can be a gamechanger,
and the young receiving core is gaining traction. Sure we haven’t seen
the Utes consistently put it all together yet for a long stretch, but they are
certainly better at the skill positions than any Ute team since entering the
conference. As long as USC (my team B!) is in disarray and UCLA wastes it
talent, the Utes are probably the best program in the South right now. With the
easiest schedule in the PAC, there is a very good chance that Utah will win the
South and have a legit shot at the Rose Bowl or another NY6 bowl. My fantasy is
that they meet your Dawgs in the CFP, but that’s a pretty long shot for
our side. Regards!
ArizonaUte:Addressing your 2nd post:I think the situations
with OC's are different. Last year was Grimes' 1st yr as an FBS OC
calling plays...his development was interesting to watch and I believe maybe he
learned some things to improve on this season. U have a new OC, new nuances, new
lingo...it takes time for most players to adapt. But I agree Andy was a great
hire...lotta respect for him. Hopefully Kyle gives him a long leash and a lot of
leeway (or just stays out of his way).I think BYU will be marginally
better because Grimes will come in with more experience (both off-season prep
and in-game decisions). Zach Wilson will probably have less "deer in the
headlights" since he's no longer a freshman being thrown into the fire
(those 1st team reps in fall camp matter...didn't get those last year).All that said I think BYU is 7-5 if they've truly improved, and
most likely 6-6. I've said before, I can't speak for other Y fans but
I think they'll be marginally improved but their record may not reflect
that considering their schedule. 0-4 is possible to start, but I'm hopeful
they get 1, and 2 will only be by divine intervention lol. Cheers, brother
ArizonaUte:Thank you, as always for being able to have a civil discourse.
Let me respond to your points:1) More than one U fan on multiple
occasions has suggested that the SEC won't schedule Utah because
they're afraid of them...if U want it's in the archives. I certainly
agree that most reasonable U fans don't think this.2) Naval was
the author of the "you only chose UGA because Utah beat Bama" nonsense.
Hilarious...I don't even remember "choosing" UGA, it's in my
blood. But seriously, please don't suggest Bama as "team
anything"...makes me sick, we had them TWICE and choked!!3) SEC
and Utah aren't necessary, as you said...it would be fun, though right?4) Utah's defense will be great, the offense will have to be better
for this to be a better team IMO. Has the offense had good coaching?
They've had no stability or consistency whatsoever, and they'll be
installing a new offense...again. We'll see how quickly Andy can get them
up to speed. U have the same players from a 71st offense who's experience
is only from a different OC...that might be more of a challenge than U fans want
to think...and "loaded" is a relative term. USC probably thinks
they're more loaded than U.
ArizonaUte“So, Weber State finished ranked #110 according to
Sagarin. Western Michigan? #106. So, not "MUCH" better.”So why were Huntley’s numbers versus Weber St so mediocre compared to
Wilson’s numbers versus Western Michigan?Player C/ATT YDS AVG
TD INT QBRT. Huntley 25/40 279 7.0 4 1 40.5Z. Wilson 18/18 317 17.6
4 0 93.2
Seriously, other than the possibility that Andy can right the ship in one year
and/or the south remains a dumpster fire, enlighten me as to why THIS team
warrants such optimism. Honest question for all U fans.-----Utah playing a #26 SOS was ranked #17 before injuries to Huntley, Moss,
and Covey. Utah still finished #28.Utah plays a softer SOS this year
with a better OC and is stacked on defense with 8 NFL prospects. Utah added
depth with proven D1 talent at LB and OL.Utah just needs a mediocre
offense, just hand the ball to Moss 20+ CPG and 10+ CPG to Wilmore and Co.The only major question is in the kicking game.Which is why
EVERYONE from ESPN to Dick Harmon thinks Utah is a potential NY6 bowl team.
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTSo, after going 6-6 last yr. and then
beating the Sagarin #106 final ranked team in the nation in a bowl
game..........why do you think BYU is going to be better THIS yr? Same kids, same coaches, same level of recruit. Same results? What is going to make them "break out"?Ludwig is an
upgrade to TT. ESPN called it one of the off season's best hires. We upgraded coaches. Is Grimes going to be better than.... Grimes?Remember Einstein and doing the same thing but expecting different
results? What does that define again?Zach Wilson had a brilliant
game v. Hawaii. Came home to play NIU and played a stinker, in a home loss to a
MAC team. The very next week. No TDs, 1 INT, QB rating of 25. ZW
may not be consistent. Coming off an injury, missed critical spring reps, and
starts the season with no RB experience to speak of in your system?Yet, BYU fans predict 3-1 or 2-2 all the time for the 1st 4. What could
possibly lead BYU fans to predict that? 0-4 is statistically the most likely
outcome. But yet.......
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTI do see the absurdity in what you
said, but in all honesty, have never even heard a Ute fan suggest that Utah
beating Bama has made SEC teams scared to schedule us.Choose Bama as
your Team B if you want. Who really cares but Naval?Utah
doesn't need to schedule SEC teams. They play 10+ P5 as is.Why
the optimism? I am suggesting that you follow the trail of why national pundits
also think this about Utah this yr. They don't think this every yr.BYU is returning a lot of players and most every BYU fan thinks BYU will
be MUCH better this yr. Crickets from the national guys.Players
improve with experience and good coaching. Utah returns BIG talent that has
experience and is well coached. Utah is loaded at:QB, RB, TE, WR
and the OL is going to be better than BYU fans want. Huntley will break out!DL is ranked #1 in the nation by Phil Steele and has at least 3 NFL
draftees THIS yr. DBs are stacked and Jaylon Johnson is a potential 1st
round pick.LB are sort of a question but Manny Bowen, Bernard and Lloyd
are complete studsPunter will be VERY good again, PK? Utah finds
them. Not worried.
ArizonaUte:1) I get what you're saying but let's be honest.
Players of that caliber don't sign NLI to play in an "also-ran"
bowl. Bama wasn't nearly as motivated as they would have been in a
meaningful championship game. In the end though, it doesn't matter, U won,
they lost and it was a great accomplishment for Utah football.I
think the narrative from some U fans that bothers me is that win against Bama
somehow makes SEC teams "afraid of U", or "afraid to schedule
U". Or my personal favorite, that THAT is the reason I "couldn't
choose Bama as my 'team b'" lol. You're a level-headed guy,
you can see the absurdity of that right? Fans exaggerate wins and exaggerate
losses and use those exaggerations against other fans...we can certainly agree
on that.2) The "BYU narrative" isn't blocking my view
from asking legitimate questions. I'm asking why the optimism...pundits are
going to say whatever they think but why do they (and U) think this team
isn't going to be more of the same from last year (U finished unranked).
It's the same guys only they'll be trying to run a different offense.
I know what the pundits are saying, explain why U buy into it and think
Sparkley Briefs:"Of course we all pause to acknowledge that the Utes
are not as good as Team B(ulldog), hence your calling our RB
“mediocre” so that you can list out some Team B backs etc when
challenged."First of all, I apologize for bringing UGA into
these threads...I recognize it's annoying to fans who don't care about
them here, so I will try and minimize that more in the future. I get it, so that
is that (and FWIW BYU and UGA are my guys- hence my screen name, no "team
C" especially Bama who I can't stand, but I do respect them).Now with that being said, my point was that Utah was 71st in total offense
last year. I think we can agree that's mediocre. Not calling any player out
personally for that, but it is what it is. How will that improve with
essentially the same cast of characters returning?My second point
is, do U feel the south will be bad again, and allow a "mediocre" Utah
offense to get by, or will it be better, in which case Utah's offense will
probably have to be better than they were last year (again with same players
from last year). And will Andy be able to provide that difference in his first
year, or will it take time before he elevates the U offense?
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTTwo things:1) With due
respect, the narrative Ute fans hear, from BYU fans, is how bad Utah is, and how
bad their conference is and how irrelevant they are. In 2008, while a good team
for Utah, wasn't good nationally (MWC team, etc). Bama didn't want to
be there, Blah, blah, blah.Bama had been ranked #1 for 6 weeks of
that season. Had ONLY lost to Florida who won the NC that yr. And hadn't
been to a BCS bowl for many yrs. 11 of their starters were drafted in that
yr's draft. One RB went on to win the Heisman in a later yr., etc.A Saban coached Bama team who didn't want to be there, should be
good enough, with enough talent, to have beaten lowly Utah, right? 08" was
a very good Utah team. And they proved it on the field v. a very good Bama
team. Finished #2, only undefeated team in D-1. They had 16, 1st pl. votes,
etc.2) Why is there so much optimism this yr.? Ask Phil Steele,
the NFL, national pundits who rank teams, position groups, and individual
players. Ask the preseason polls, etc. So many, nationally, are
seeing this is a good team. Perhaps the BYU narrative re: Utah, is blocking
this from your view?
Seattle:“Ha, keep pretending you're relevant only to get
sent to the LV bowl. THAT is what the country thinks of the utes.”By that, I guess you’re saying the Utes aren’t relevant, but
the Aggies are? Most people know the Utes for their amazing defenses, players
sent to the NFL and busting the BCS twice. As well as jumping from G5 to P5. Not
to mention, a long tenured coach who is one of the best at development players.
“What the country thinks” is something you just made up! LV bowl
comment just sounds desperate and weak.Also, USU is BARELY sitting
above .500 since 2008, at 65-64. You have as many losses as you do wins. With an
abysmal overall bowl record of 5-8. They had a good year in ‘18. But
let’s see if they can keep it up. Or go back to the norm of 3 and 6 win
seasons. The Aggies are not known for much. About as relevant as most of the
other Mtn West teams.But with Gary, they “should”
continue to climb that ladder in the Mtn West, and I hope they do! As a Utah
fan, I absolutely do not miss playing teams like Wyoming, New Mexico, AF etc.
So enjoy the ride!
Cougsndawgs,I think that there is optimism at Utah because the team
is returning a lot of talent on both sides of the ball, probably several future
NFL players included. Sure there are question marks here and there, and nobody
expects a CFP run, but the Utes should be one of the best 10-20 teams in the
country. Of course we all pause to acknowledge that the Utes are not as good as
Team B(ulldog), hence your calling our RB “mediocre” so that you can
list out some Team B backs etc when challenged. Have at it good sir! And good
luck to both of your teams having an above mediocre year. BTW, the Utes
hammered the (Team?) C tide at the Sugar Bowl because they were better. Just
ask the scoreboard.
"Just look at what NW did to them."Who is "them" -
Utah? Yeah - that was pretty brutal to "them."
Uteology:"Brian Johnson's performance of dismantling #4 Alabama
was absolutely phenomenal!"I'm pretty sure Bama had to
dress the scout team because starters' minds were all in Miami and what
might have been lol. NO ONE but U fans and gump-haters believe the CT showed up
for the Sugar Plum Fluke of 2009. But that's another rabbit hole and dead
horse for another day.As for this season, I have my doubts about U.
You're returning a lot of guys to an offense that was mediocre and somehow
U think said offense or QB/RB will magically be less mediocre this season? With
the added question marks on the O-line? With how last season ended? With a new
offense (albeit a returning offense) to install?Seriously, other
than the possibility that Andy can right the ship in one year and/or the south
remains a dumpster fire, enlighten me as to why THIS team warrants such
optimism. Honest question for all U fans.
@Elkhorn - Loveland, CO"Western Michigan was good enough to play
in a bowl and was MUCH better than any of the FCS teams Utah plays every
year."-----------------------So, Weber State finished ranked
#110 according to Sagarin. Western Michigan? #106. So, not "MUCH"
better. As you claim.Weber St. was ranked higher than 4 teams BYU
played last yr. McNeese State #187New Mexico State #166UMass #138Hawaii #117Ouch!!So, Utah's ONE
terrible FCS team they schedule is better than 4 of the FCS, or terrible FBS
teams, BYU schedules? And that's smack?Do you hear yourself
when you try and talk smack? I'd suggest researching some things before
rolling out your next "zinger".
Elkhorn - Loveland, COJune 13, 2019 11:25 a.m.Utah-Hawaii Alum“It is obvious that the majority of Y fans consider lil'
Zachary Wilson the latest ‘golden calf’...”And why
shouldn’t they?Zach had a near perfect game vs BYU’s
last opponent, a game that dwarfs any performance by any Utah QB versus any Utah
opponent in history.-----Nick Saban disagrees.Brian Johnson's performance of dismantling #4 Alabama was absolutely
Marked it Down - Park City, UTJune 12, 2019 5:01 p.m.utemythology
No confusion here, it’s quite obvious that you’re just
as confused as ever.------What part of 12 > 16 >
46, eludes you?
"Western Michigan . . . was MUCH better than any of the FCS teams Utah plays
every year."cooghorn:Apples and kumquats. The
question is, was Directional State MUCH better that any of the FCS teams BYU-P
plays every year?
@ Elkhorn,No matter what I, or others state as fact, that
doesn't mean that U and almost all Y fans won't always "hero
worship." That will never end, no matter how invalid it is in the REAL
WORLD.Lil' Zachary Wilson has been totally shut down vs good
defenses(No Illinois and Utah) and hasn't beaten a decent team. That is
fact. Wilson had a fine game vs almost the worst pass defense in the FBS last
year = Western Michigan.Two poor teams facing off in the
"NOTHING BURGER" Potato Bowl last year doesn't hold any credence
with anyone.......a fact.
Utah-Hawaii Alum“It is obvious that the majority of Y fans
consider lil' Zachary Wilson the latest ‘golden
calf’...”And why shouldn’t they?Zach
had a near perfect game vs BYU’s last opponent, a game that dwarfs any
performance by any Utah QB versus any Utah opponent in history:Z.
Wilson - 18/18, 317 yds, 17.6 avg, 4 TDs, 0 Ints, 322 QBR*
don’t even bother with your “weak opponent” spinWestern Michigan was good enough to play in a bowl and was MUCH better than
any of the FCS teams Utah plays every year.
46&2-“Remember, YOU are a lucky, very questionable PI call that
went the Aggies way in OT from being 0-3 vs the Utes in your last three."OK, fine, both can be true. Rivalry looks close. Utes have outscored Ags
by a combined 7 pts in last 3 games. Your admin saw the writing on the wall and
did the smart thing. Can't blame them. Can't be losing to little
brother."The reality is, J Love beat absolutely nobody
impressive last season. The Utes own the Aggies, and it not close and you know
it!" The Utes needed an onside kick to beat the Ags at home to
not lose 2 in a row. In the history of college football exactly ZERO teams that
thought they could wind straight-up have used an onside kick. Too funny"I am still very curious as to who YOU think Love beat last season that
was so “great”. Can’t wait for this response..."Again, Jordan can't control the schedule. He can only put up video game
numbers on the teams he plays. Oh, and he looked pretty good against a good B10
defense. You know, a similar B10 defense to the one your mighty utes only
managed 20 points against. Ha, keep pretending you're relevant only to get
sent to the LV bowl. THAT is what the country thinks of the utes.
Girls girls girls, you are all pretty. /But the Utes are the
"Arizona Ute's" last remark is SO spot on! We Utes, since the PAC
invite, have seen our football team evolve with better talent year after year.
With that said...........ALL Utes have a sense of "hope," and for many
valid reasons. But, we KNOW that "stuff happens" and we gotta stay
healthy. I, like most Utes in 2019, are hoping for good things.......let us see
how it goes!!!!!!?Gooooooo Utes!
It is obvious that the majority of Y fans consider lil' Zachary Wilson the
latest "golden calf" that will deliver their JUCO-esque football team to
ol' WAC era "glory" again. Well, that ain't gonna happen
folks. He is just an okay, unfounded commodity at this point. His gruesomely
slow, unfit and untalented supporting cast will surely hamper his
efforts......we all saw that last season......vs Northern Illinois as a prime
example. I like the kiddo, but BYu is what it "is" these days.
@Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA"So, who came out on top in the
Preseason League?"-------------------------Clearly Utah is
the "preseason winner" with the preseason polls, position group
rankings, individual player predictions and rankings, conference and bowl
predictions, NFL draft expectations, etc. All from national pundits.But great point. All of this means nothing right now. Maybe they got it
right maybe not.Can't wait for the season and that has nothing
to do with preseason hype. I look forward to it every season.As
Utah fans have long said. Rather have post season (post game) hype than
preseason (or pre-game) hype.Go Utes!
@Utah-HawaiiWhat??!!You don't consider S'mores
and Fruit Punch to be "good nutrition"?
So, who came out on top in the Preseason League?
@CougarForever - Holladay, UtahPreseason rankings are whack but
it's nice to get some pub for the local boys."Wilson looks
pretty solid"......Well, so did Taysom, until he didn't. You're
always just one play away from playing if you are QB2.I don't
wish injury on anyone. Especially the local QBs. Huntley, against
strong competition, will do better than any local, non-Ute, fan thinks. He will
be very good this yr., should he stay healthy. Wilson, frankly has
a lot to prove. He went 3-3 in the regular season last yr. Literally beating 3
of the worst teams on BYU's schedule. He lost to NIU, of the MAC, at home,
with zero TDs, & 1 INT for a whopping 25 QB rating. After having a good
game v. Hawaii the week before.Wilson seems like he could be a good.
But don't let his bowl performance set your expectations. An
0-4 start is likely. And that's a team thing. NOT a Wilson thing. He is
going to face some good defenses.Utah may well be the best overall
team BYU plays in 19'. Even though BYU fan's don't want to
believe it. Let's play and find out.
These rankings will change considerably as the season progresses. Wilson has
the football IQ (including being able to read defenses well), the ability to
make multiple throws and enough mobility to eclipse both Love and Huntley. I
would worry far less about Wilson's durability than either Huntley's
or Love's. Wilson looks really solid by comparison.
AZUTE1“USU played against the #113 ranked SOS last
year.....We played against the #26 ranked SOS.”Yet,
#22/#21 USU and Love were BETTER than Huntley and unranked Utah.
SeattleAggieRemember, you're a lucky onside kick away from being 1-2
against Ustate in your last 3.-------Remember, Utah was
one unlucky drop pass, kick to a CB, to a pick 6 away from a Rose Bowl.Utah was also an unlucky, no-call, in OT in Logan with a D2 QB away from 3-0
vs Utah State.
PorLibertad - Salt Lake City, UTJune 12, 2019 3:37 p.m.@Utah-Hawaii
AlumNow just prove it on the field Utah and then we'll take our
hat off to you ...----------------------Says a member of
a fanbase who, after eight consecutive losses to Utah, still refuses to even
entertain the idea that Utah is superior.We've been
"proving it on the field" for this entire decade. Forgive me if I
won't be waiting on pins and needles for that tip of the hat you have no
intention of giving.
This list seems pretty accurate to me, except I would probably switch Lawrence
and Tua. Tua seemed to struggle late in the season, while Lawrence actually
seemed to get better.As for the local boys I don't have a
problem with their ranking either. Regardless who they've played against
Jordan Love has the most upside and talent just from watching them play (an
opinion shared by NFL scouts). Huntley had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio last year which
isn't anything to write home about and Wilson was only a freshman playing
against predominantly weaker defenses so he's more an enigma than the other
two. Hope all 3 have a great season and stay out of the medical
SeattleCougie:“Remember, you're a lucky onside kick away
from being 1-2 against Ustate in your last 3.”Remember, YOU
are a lucky, very questionable PI call that went the Aggies way in OT from being
0-3 vs the Utes in your last three.That game is fun, huh? If 40
years is too much to go back in the rivalry, should we cut it down to 25? Or 15?
What do you think Captain Cherry Picker?The reality is, Jordan Love
beat absolutely nobody impressive last season. The Utes own the Aggies, and
it’s not even close. And you know it! But...I am still very
curious as to who YOU think Love beat last season that was so
“great”. Can’t wait for this response...
Typical pre season trash talk. Jordan Love is a talented kid playing a weak
schedule. Wish him the best and hope he puts up great numbers. Zach Wilson
hasn’t played well against good competition for a full game. Let’s
see how he does the opening month of the season.Huntley has a ton of
talent and at least one talented QB behind him. If he can avoid injury, the U
offense will be better than we have seen in years. Despite all the complaining
by Y fans, Utah plays a big boy schedule and the PAC 12 will continue to show
the Cougars where they fit in the talent rankings.
p.s. Michigan State hovered around.500 all year long, finishing completely
nationally irrelevant.Just look at what NW did to them.Go Utes!
Edit—“I WANT usu fans to discontinue.....”Go Utes !
usu played against the #113 ranked SOS last year.....We played against the #26
ranked SOS.TH destroyed Stanford on their home field, which Sagarin
ranked highly & which finished just outside the Top-25, significantly higher
regarded than anybody JL beat.I was usu fans to discontinue their
spin and directly answer the following question—Who exactly
did JL beat against usu’s #113 ranked SOS to warrant such a lofty
ranking?Again, #113 ranked SOS!Even one single good
opponent? One?Go Utes!
utemythology No confusion here, it’s quite obvious that
you’re just as confused as ever.
@backpacn - Sandy, UTIt's amazing how much trouble you're
having grasping the very simple concept that preseason position rankings are
nothing but meaningless speculation.-----They are still
MORE meaningful than YOUR fantasies:"Jordan Love > Zach
Wilson > Tyler Huntley"If you're still confused, ask
one of your Coog buddies.
backpacn - Sandy, UTJune 12, 2019 4:06 p.m.utemythology"12 > 16 > 46"are nothing but preseason hype,
which you would be totally dismissing if the names attached to those numbers
were#12 Wilson > #16 Love > #46 Huntley-----Yes, I totally dismiss your fantasies.
46&2- keep talking about the past 40 years (you sure you're not a
coug?). Remember, you're a lucky onside kick away from being 1-2 against
Ustate in your last 3.
utemythology"12 > 16 > 46"are nothing
but preseason hype, which you would be totally dismissing if the names attached
to those numbers were#12 Wilson > #16 Love > #46 Huntleywhich could very well be the case by season's end.It's amazing how much trouble you're having grasping the very simple
concept that preseason position rankings are nothing but meaningless
SeattleAggie:“Obviously J Love can't control the schedule
he plays. He threw for 319 against MSU (better D than Utah) while scoring
31” Research is your friend. As of January 2019, MSU had a
passing defense of 62. Utah’s was ranked at 53. Since you mentioned
...”He threw”. So how is MSU’s passing D “better”
than Utah’s again? He scored 31, and still lost, to a passing defense not
even in the top 50. Congratulations? Way to celebrate margin of defeat. Are you
sure you’re not a coug fan?So basically, losing to MSU was the
high point of your 2018 season? I would think it was defeating the mighty cougs
of Provo. There’s a good chance we’ll be playing USU in
the near future. Should we discuss the record between the two teams? Since the
Utes are “ too afraid” to play? Utah has lost to the Aggies six
times in forty years. Three were in Logan. Scary indeed! Good luck
to Love, a fun QB he is to watch!
We're still waiting for Utah-Hawaii Alumto regale
us with tales of his "much more vast and impressive accomplishments" on
the world stagethan Jimmer has achieved.As usual,
he's ALL talk, but NO walk.
"This might come as a shock to you, but nobody outside of Utah even knows
the difference between USU and UU."Wow! Nobody outside of Utah
includes all people in metro Seattle. That's kind of interesting that even
self-proclaimed Aggie fans there don't know the difference.
As always the Utes are telling us that they have the rose Bowl in the bag
SeattleAggie - Maple Valley, WAJune 12, 2019 2:58 p.m.Haha, ekute
says-SeattleAggie,The Aggies play small ball. Stay in your lane.——This might come as a shock to you, but nobody outside of
Utah even knows the difference between USU and UU. But keep talking about how
big time you guys are___As someone who lives on the East
Coast, I have NEVER met a person who confused Utah with Utah St. EVERY college
sports fan knows the difference. Any real college fan is likely able to
identify over 100 schools, can name their mascots and colors, and even name
70-80% of the cities the schools are in. Your narrative is dopey and completely
@Utah-Hawaii Alum:My gut still hurts from laughing at your comments.
Talk about a fan with a fat head. If Utah goes to the Rose Bowl I'll be
very surprised. Utah has hyped themselves up before and still no conference
championship to show for it. That said, we all know the PAC-12 is no longer one
of the power leagues so Utah might have a better chance than usual this year if
they can stay healthy. However, things might not look so bright for
them if they lose their opening non-conference game in their own state. I like
BYU's chances in that game despite all the red hype. Now just
prove it on the field Utah and then we'll take our hat off to you -
especially if you get enough wins in the "conference of champions" games
and make it to the Rose Bowl!
northern_lights - Layton, UTJune 12, 2019 3:11 p.m.Jordan Love >
Zach Wilson > Tyler HuntleyThat's just the way it is, ----Sorry you're having such a hard time with this.12 > 16 > 46
Huntley's accuracy would improve if he would grip the ball by the laces -
@Forty Six & 2:Hmmm. Early in the pre-season for taking cheap
shots but that is nothing new. We've heard lofty talk about the Utes now
since they joined the PAC-12 but alas they haven't won a conference
championship yet after quite a few years. Oh, and perhaps we should
mention that the "conference of champions" hasn't exactly been
viewed as much of a league for the last few years have they? So speaking of
great competition, Utah hasn't exactly played giant killers within their
own league.Let's see how that first game for BYU and Utah goes.
I think Utah should be favored, they appear to be a pretty good team this year,
so if they are so good, they should have no trouble at all against the boys in
blue down in Provo, right?
SeattleAggie - Maple Valley, WAObviously J Love can't control
the schedule he plays. He threw for 319 against MSU (better D than Utah) while
scoring 31, so I doubt he would have struggled against the U(or anyone else in
P12)--------Only in your fantasies! Passing
Yards Per Game#52 Utah 213#64 Michigan State 230Yards
Per Game#14 Michigan State 312#15 Utah 315
Jordan Love > Zach Wilson > Tyler HuntleyThat's just
the way it is, regardless of how many SOS trophies our dear little
friends on the hill bestow upon Tyler.Love is the best, Huntley has
already peaked, but..."all signs point to a breakout year for
[Wilson] the rising sophomore."
Huntley just needs to remain healthy.If he does Utah has a great
chance at a Top 10 finish and NY6 bowl.Go UTES!
Haha, ekute says-SeattleAggie,The Aggies play small ball. Stay in
your lane.——This might come as a shock to you, but
nobody outside of Utah even knows the difference between USU and UU. But keep
talking about how big time you guys are
The Utes are stacked everywhere: QB, LB, OL, DL, DB's, S, RB,
Receivers...the list goes on and on...if they stay healthy, they'll have a
banner year...get your hotel reservations in Pasadena now!Go Utes!
AlwaysAnAggie "If Wilson goes through his first 6-8 games uninjured he
should be able to glide through the rest of the season."If Wilson goes
0-4, the fans will turn on him and he can sit the rest of the season uninjured.
SeattleAggie,The Aggies play small ball. Stay in your lane.
BYu needs Max Hall to tell #46 Zachary Wilson what it is all about making
turnovers to Utah due to fright! I imagine that Joke Hypes, Tanner Whoever,
Taysom the "gadget guy," and Rudy Nelson(Nick Emery's new
partner).........can all contribute in vivid terms as well.........Utah @ BYu in
August = we ALL know........ Gooooooo Utes!
If Love was on a power 5 conference team he would be in the top 5. It's a
tough road and few make it! As far as the BYU QB he could be hurt by the end of
the year as tough as their schedule is. He better pray that his OC line can
protect him for the toughest schedule in school history. Huntley is injury prone
and Love might be hamburger after the LSU game with an unproven line! I hate
giving too many kudos to the QBs. Just a few years back I remember how the media
was claiming that Jake Heaps was going to set all kind of records. It will be a
mircle if all three QBs can finish the year without a major injury! I hope all
three make it in the NFL!
Currently, Jack Tuttle is not listed as the starter at IU. Perhaps he can still
win the job or transfer again.
46&2 says-tell us, WHO did Love beat?They played 2 good teams
last year, Boise and Michigan State. How’d those turn out? Lisk could have
put up those numbers with that schedule.Obviously J Love can't
control the schedule he plays. He threw for 319 against MSU (better D than Utah)
while scoring 31, so I doubt he would have struggled against the U(or anyone
else in P12). Jordan basically missed 2 full games by not playing in the second
half last year. Oh well, I don't know why you and I are arguing, every
publication that ranks QBs (you know, the people that really KNOW and get paid
to do it?) has JL as the better QB. I'll take their opinion over yours.
Good luck trying to reach your title game.And please don't tell
me that the Ags act like they've been there and done that. The Utes make
the p12 title game in a down year but still can't beat a team that lost to
the 11th place SEC team. Laughable. Oh, and just because it's
true, I gotta say it....with you guys weren't scared to play the Ags. Gary
is gonna be in Logan for the long haul this time and I think we might be able to
pass you guys as we've done the school in provo.
I totally agree with Brave Sir Robin's comment. The "Utah
narrative," which we ALL are accustomed to, have been for over 40 years, is
that BYu's current QB is the Heisman Trophy fave.Now, this is
no joke and true as of last week.........I'm friends with a few Mormons and
I told a LDS bishop who has always been a dear buddy about a t-shirt slogan I
thought-up........."The BYU Zach Attack for HEISMAN!" And in
fact......those t-shirts have already been printed. And, I have one in my
possession now.Stuff is kinda different down in Utah County......we
SeattleAggie:If it’s “not even close” between
Huntley and Love...then tell us, WHO did Love beat?They played two good
teams last year, Boise and Michigan State. How’d those turn out? Lisk
could have put up those numbers with that schedule.This is where you
come in with “the Utes are too scared to play in Logan” reply.FWIW, I’m also a Utah State fan. But don’t act like the
Aggies have been there done that. Most years, they’re terrible to
mediocre, and playing a terrible to mediocre schedule as well. Be glad GA came
back, or it would probably return to the norm up in Logan. It may anyways.
I think that Utah States schedule this year will show how good of a quarterback
Jordan Love is. If he does well against Wake Forest, LSU, and Boise State then I
think he will of proved himself. USU's MWC schedule is also upgraded by
playing San Diego State, Nevada, and Fresno State instead of San Jose, UNLV, and
Hawaii. So better competition, a better test, we will see what kind of
quarterback Mr. Love is. Utah has good competition weekly, so if Huntley does
well it will be a credit to him and his team. If Wilson goes through his first
6-8 games uninjured he should be able to glide through the rest of the season.
It will be an interesting season.
@ FT,Although not mentioned in this article, I truly think Shelley
is a much better QB than Huntley. And, there is "Bad Moon" Rising that
could play for Utah this season.......? My sole fear is that Jason Shelley may
transfer......that would be a killer for Utah football.It ALL
remains to be unknown........oh my........Gooooooo Utes!
Forty Six & 2 - Salt Lake City, UTJune 12, 2019 9:10 a.m.I’d like to see how Love and Wilson do against better competition. Both
impressive, but haven’t exactly beaten anyone worth talking about------------This is terrific. Um, who exactly has Huntley beaten?? A
couple very pedestrian Stanford and Oregon teams. Love is the better QB and it
Good recognition and we're all fortunate to see some great QB's this
Fall. One has to wonder where Jason Shelly would fall into this list. As he
showed he has as much potential as any of these three when called upon last
I am a huge fan of Jordan Love and believe that he is potential NFL starting QB
material if he continues to mature. Tyler Huntley is a very gutsy, clever
player, although undersized and doesn't possess the innate IQ to play QB at
the pro level, but if he plays well this season.......my beloved Utes will be
very good indeed. As far as lil' Zachary Wilson........I like his abilities
and he is a very cagey intellect, throws some nice balls for sure, but he is
just not in shape whatsoever and that won't improve at BYu, where they
don't remotely prioritize nutrition and fitness. When he does finally take
a real solid hit......he'll be badly injured without one doubt!I think all we Utes are thrilled about our potential for this upcoming
season......stay HEALTHY!Goooooooo Utes!
These rankings do not fit the local narrative at all. There's only one
solution: The article should be taken down immediately!
I’d like to see how Love and Wilson do against better competition. Both
impressive, but haven’t exactly beaten anyone worth talking about. Yes
coug fans, we know, we know...don’t EVER take into account as to who they
actually beat. As long as they’re teams that aren’t in the top 100,
you’re golden.As for Huntley, if he stays healthy, and has a
good line to protect him, watch out! And we all know how good Moss is to cut
down on Huntley’s runs. Less than three months...Go Utes!!!
"Huntley, meanwhile, was ranked No. 16 overall, No. 3 in the Pac-12."If, at the end of the season, this prove accurate, Utah will have an
outstanding year. Consider 5 Utes on the offensive side, and 8 Utes
on the defensive side have been ranked as All PAC-12 to All American teams