It is fascinating how writers like this article can juggle and manipulate
stories to satisfy their imagined preferences. If Jesus story of suffering
would have been at the Mount of Olives then they would construct their article
as to why it had to be at the Mount of Olives and not Gethsemane. Fiction can
find alibi to satisfy what ever one chooses to imagine.
Ooh, olive garden, their mussels in white wine sauce are delicious!
>>Once he shows up, I'll believe. IF he is real, he knows where I
live..."Jesus saith unto him, 'Thomas, because thou hast
seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have
believed.'" --John 20:29If Jesus was resurrected, it
changes the entire human condition. It would mean that we are not the random
byproducts of an uncaring universe, doomed to eternal oblivion upon death. So,
given that possibility, it behooves us individually to explore whether
Christ's resurrection actually happened. How can we know? Well, there is
historical evidence supporting the NT accounts. In addition to that, we can
experiment by applying his teachings now as recorded in the Gospel narratives to
our daily lives."Jesus answered them, and said, 'My
doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he
shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of
myself.'" -- John 7:16-17If applying his teachings produce
the results He promised, then we can have more confidence that those narratives
are faithful accounts of true events and not just fiction stories. But a
wait-and-see approach gets no one closer to an answer either way.
mhenshaw - "If He was resurrected, He could have later recounted to His
disciples what happened in the Garden and what He said."Indeed,
IF he was resurrected, he could recount to any and all of us, without any need
for mediators, anything he would like. Once he shows up, I'll
believe. IF he is real, he knows where I live...
Central Texan,"Matthew dedicates about 28% of his Gospel to the last
week onward. Mark dedicates about 38% and Luke about 25%. A word count might
show a slightly different percentage but it does not seem like a
"majority" of their words. . . . " ____________________It's not even close to a majority but it is glaringly disproportionate.
Let’s stop and think about it for a moment. One week in the context of
three years of Jesus life starting with his baptism? One week!The
obvious answer frequently proposed and which I find likely is that the passion
of Jesus was THE story of Jesus at the outset. The one first told and most
meticulously preserved in tradition at the very outset of developing narratives
about his life. It was a story so powerful that it called for more biographical
background on what preceded the events of the week of his betrayal and
Second comment is the following statement: "Each of the four Gospels records
that Jesus suffered excruciating pain in the Garden of Gethsemane." I'm not seeing it. Luke best describes the pain by saying Jesus was
"in agony" and that "his sweat was as it were great drops of
blood" (Luke 22:44). Matthew and Mark's accounts in Gethsemane are
nearly identical and the description of suffering is at best told in these
words: "sore amazed," "very heavy," and "my soul is
exceeding sorrowful unto death" (Matt. 26:37-38, Mark 14:33-34).
John, however, does not even mention anything about Gethsemane (and not by
name) except to say Jesus and his apostles went there and Jesus was apprehended
there (John 18:1)
A few things struck me as not quite right as I read the article, which I need to
break into two comment. First is this: "The New Testament
Gospels follow this pattern, particularly Mark, Matthew and Luke. The majority
of their words are focused on the last week of Jesus' life, with special
attention to how he died and his unexpected and triumphant resurrection." How is it that Mark, Matthew, and Luke are said to particularly follow
the pattern of focusing on the last week of Jesus's life and subsequent
resurrection? Using the chapter in each gospel where Jesus makes his triumphal
entry into Jerusalem as the baseline and using whole chapters as the units,
Matthew dedicates about 28% of his Gospel to the last week onward. Mark
dedicates about 38% and Luke about 25%. A word count might show a slightly
different percentage but it does not seem like a "majority" of their
words. In contrast, John begins the last week in chapter 12 and dedicates some
48% of his Gospel to the the last week onward. John more than the others
follows the pattern.
seeing that I know the sins that I have committed they are a painful reminder
that I was not being good and I am thankful that my savior took my sins and
suffered for them they still press down hard on me as I recall them and I do
need another chance to be able to return home where I want to go and be with my
father and savior for eternity as I look over my life I would like a do over
chance even each day is a challenge some time but I am learning where to put my
trust and faith
>>The gospels record that Jesus went into the Garden alone. No one was
beside him to overhear his reported prayer or witness his reported agony, much
less provide us with a detailed written account of it several years later.If He was resurrected, He could have later recounted to His disciples
what happened in the Garden and what He said.
The stuff that He sweated was thick like that made him supper sensitive, He was
whipped than had to carry a cross nailed in a way He couldn't breathe
unless He could push up relaxing the chest. Gethsemane, not the suffering
place. He fulfilled Mosses law an started a new law. If you Believe. If I need
someone to vowch for me I'd want the Lord Jesus. Who else could.
The most important impact of this night was the willingness of our Savior to die
on ‘the cross’ in our place in order to pay the penalty for our
sins.God “made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we
might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Cor 5:21) Such a
high priest truly befits us--One who is holy, innocent, undefiled, set apart
.”. Heb 7:26 But you know that Christ
appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 1 John 3:5. Jesus was
born without sin. The unique miracle of the virgin birth.
The gospels record that Jesus went into the Garden alone. No one was beside him
to overhear his reported prayer or witness his reported agony, much less provide
us with a detailed written account of it several years later. But as the place
where he was betrayed with a kiss and taken captive may be authentic history.