...Like Dr James Croft, stats professor for years at the University of Utah told
us the several times I took the same course (trying to improve my grade in that
class, without necessarily studying any more or harder than I had done when I
took the class previously), "Figures don't lie, but liars
figure!"In other words, statistics might be accurate. But how
they are framed, figured, and back stories, may convey a completely different
story than the story most suppose is what those "facts" are presenting!
-Aaron, here's what I said 2nd post--(continued
from 1st post) ...Like Dr James Croft, stats professor for years at the
University of Utah told us the several times I took the same course (trying to
improve my grade in that class, without necessarily studying any more or harder
than I had done when I took the class previously), "Figures don't lie,
but liars figure!"In other words, statistics might be accurate.
But how they are framed, figured, and back stories, may convey a completely
different story than the story most suppose is what those "facts" are
Reading the comments reinforces my contention that statistics can be misleading
and in fact statistics can be called the mathematics of ignorance. It can tell
what a very large group of people or particles will probably do, but not what
one/few person(s) or particle(s) will do. In dealing with people, it can be much
worse when important factors are ignored as has been pointed out.
Undoubtedly, the reason why Utahns (on average) work the least per week is
because Utah is consistently at or near the top in the number of babies we have
(though in 2017, that rate was down to 212 babies born for every 100 women per
lifetime, which is pretty much 'exact replacement'.But
still, we're generally higher than any other state.Fast forward
18 years (from any child's birth), and lo, and behold, a good number of
those once babies will likely be employed. Since many are still under the health
insurance coverage of either mom or dad, they take what they can get (as a job).
And, since hourly work rates determine often whether or not an employer has to
give any employee health insurance benefit, they often offer jobs with fewer
hours, so they don't have to.That said, we have more
'kids' working fewer hours, which brings the overall average number of
hours worked per week down.How far down? Far enough to indicate
Utahns work the least of any others (on average) in their respective, other
states.I guarantee you this is the likely true back story to that
No, no, Utah cannot possibly be worse than other states in any way, shape, or
form!All is well in Zion!All is well. All is well. (Sing
with me now!)
I've always believed that we have things backwards, we should work 2 days
and play the other 5...there (IMO) are just a lot more things to do in this
State than work, so we get out and play as much as we can... as far as what I
know about this States economy, work ethic isn't a problem
The premise and headline for this are very misleading.The headline
should be "People in Utah spend less time in the office". It isn't
that people go to work, put in their hours, then go home and relax until bed
time.I fact, you can probably make the argument that Utah has the
hardest workers. Per the KUTV article "Study: Utahns watch the least amount
of TV in the nation". On average we watch 2 hours 13 minutes per day. Some
states are as high as 4 hours per day. If you look at what the
"favorite" type of programming in Utah is, you find that it kids that
are watching cartoons on TV.
Just factoring in young mothers who work a few hours a week would skew the
"More hours" does not equate to "harder."In a study
published in 2017, researchers from the Australian National University's
Research School of Population Health concluded that working more than 39 hours a
week is detrimental to one's health. The lead researcher, Dr. Huong Dinh,
said, "Long work hours erode a person's mental and physical health,
because it leaves less time to eat well and look after themselves
properly."Being busy has been heralded as an important part of
life for far too long. We should try focusing on something that matters
"That’s right. No matter how hard you think you’re working,
people in other states are working harder." Harder? How do you calculate
how hard a person works? Spending more time around the water cooler is
measureable but harder - I think not.
Utah ranks number one in the nation for volunteering. Utah also has the largest
families (by average) in the country. Perhaps we don't work as much as
others do because we are spending that time with family and helping our
"Do we want to be known as the state most like Europe?" - Jay EvensenWhat's wrong with being like Europe? Almost every European country
reports greater mean happiness levels than the U.S. And isn't that the
point of all this?"No man on his death bed has ever said
'you know, I wish I'd spent more time at work'." - Gordon B.
"I’m sure by now you’ve come up with several reasons that might
explain all this. Utahns value families, which probably translates into a desire
to leave work quickly and go home to play with the kids. Or, if you’re a
bit more cynical, you may believe it’s harder to get a full-time job here
than elsewhere, resulting in fewer hours worked."Or maybe the
predominant local religion's frowning on working on Sundays? For
professionals, that can be a big difference.
i wonder how the study accounts for stay-at-home moms?and despite
not working as many hours, we still exceed the national median household income.
we must be doing something right.
The real question is, is this a bad thing? I probably work between 35-40 hours
per weak on average. If we can be smart and productive who cares who many hours
it takes to get our jobs done? Employees with a life outside of work are better
and more productive when they are at work.
Work too long for too long and you become less efficient and less effective. I
don't know what the optimal amount of time spent working is for the most
productivity but if it is 40 hours per week, then it was by luck and
coincidence that we chose that number.As automation makes increasing
inroads, it makes sense that we would lessen our work week. It wouldn't be
the first time we've done it. Before the work week was 40 hours per week,
it was much more than that.
I would say this is about right. By 2:30 on Friday afternoon 2/3 of the cars in
my office tower lot are gone. And have you ever seen the number of
pickups towing boats on I-15 by the middle of a summer Friday afternoon? Industry? Yeah, right.