lost in DC - West Jordan, UTJune 12, 2019 1:53 p.m.More
grandstanding by ben."Too bad he voted against religious liberty
in one of his first major votes. He’s not the moderate he claims, but is
squarely in nancy’s camp."What religious liberties have
you lost? Religious liberties means YOU want to impose your beliefs on others.
No thank you. Keep them to yourself."TaterThe house is
controlled by the dems, and that is where all spending bills, like this, must
originate"Yes, and greedy Republicans in the Senate won't
turn it down. This it is APPROVED by Republicans. So much for their claim of
After disabling the government for weeks earlier last winter, it's almost
criminal for anyone in Congress to think about giving themselves any raise,
whether it's in salary, COLA, or any of the other perks that we taxpayers
pay for.They get free postage, meals at the Congressional dining
rooms, exercise clubs just for them, and travel allowances. Real, normal,
honest, working Americans don't get all that - and in addition, have to
actually perform to get paid.And how many real, normal, honest,
working Americans get to decide and approve their own salaries?
More grandstanding by ben.Too bad he voted against religious liberty
in one of his first major votes. He’s not the moderate he claims, but is
squarely in nancy’s camp.FTJust because you disagree
does not mean Mike’s opinion is not sound or defensible. Nice personal
attack you got past the DN’s liberal censorsTaterThe
house is controlled by the dems, and that is where all spending bills, like
this, must originate
535 members of US Congress times $4500. equals $2,407,500
@mike Richards"Mr. McAdams thinks that he should be paid another
$4,500 per year. ""He just lost my vote."He never
had your vote, he was never going to get your vote, and even if he did, an
inability to read an article and see Ben had the exact opposite view would be
the silliest reason ever to withhold a vote.
Congress shouldn't get a raise or maybe even get paid until they come
together and get something done. If you spent all your time fighting at work
instead of getting things done you would be fired let alone getting a raise.
This is true in the private sector and many other parts of government.
Let's get rid of the two party system, get the money out of our elections,
implement term limits, and elect people who are willing to work together and get
something done. The American people do not deserve any less. Good
for you Ben Adams for stepping up about no raises until you get something done.
"The 4th Congressional District representative, who unseated two-term former
Republican Rep. Mia Love last year, was one of at least 15 mostly freshmen in
competitive House districts pushing for a pay freeze, Politico reported.""I don't think it's something that Congress should take up
this year. Especially in my experience, compensation is always linked to job
performance. And Congress as a whole hasn't earned a pay increase."That's more than Mia "Rubber Stamp" did during her entire
"career: as a RepresentativeFlipphone - 00"Ben
going to say he is against a pay increase for his own political reason but the
reality is that the Democrat Controlled congress will pass the increase and Ben
will benefit from saying he against increase, at the same time fating his bank
account."Pssst, Congress is NOT controlled by Dems, pay
attention. The Senate is controlled by Republicans. But, nice try on trying to
make Ben look like the bad guy for telling the truth.Mike
Richards"Mr. McAdams thinks that he should be paid another
$4,500 per year." Noooo, he said there should NOT be a raise of $4,500 a
year.You didn't read well or you are intent on lying about what
To: not so brave...Brave Sir Robin - San Diego, CA"Yet somehow
the conservatives will find something wrong with McAdams for this..."Of course numerate conservatives can find something wrong with
Ben's trivial action... Because it is NOTHING!Democrats want to
ramp up spending by hundreds of billions of dollars on entitlements and social
welfare spending. They are in desperate need of some math training.
America's debt is well beyond safe levels and is tremendously dangerous to
our continued existence as a free nation.Start doing your homework,
Ben. If the $4,500 salary hike will help sustain or lengthen the attention of
socialist minded Democrats, let them have it.Just get to work and work
together to deal rationally with our massive problems.
@Traveller: "How would you measure performance in Congress?"The way to measure is... what have they done of significance? The answer is
nothing. They spent most of their time trying to get Trump out of the White
House.What the Congress should be doing is:Stop the
unauthorized immigration into the US and do away with asylum and chain
migration.Will this happen? Not as long as the Dems control the
House. They like immigration of any kind. It helps them politically.Another important issue... balance the federal budget and start resolving the
US $21 trillion debt.
I think pay for Congress sb based on approval ratings. As ratings dip, they
should decrease their pay.
@ Palmetto BugGreat post describing why we need to raise teacher pay.
Thank you, Representative McAdams. Wish we had more people like you
representing us. Maybe you will be able to address other perks also. Want to
run for President?
Just an old play pulled from a football playbook. Pull everyone to the right,
then punch it through on a reverse to the left.
It was only put on hold -- 10 - 1 they will sneak it in when they can with some
other junk legislation like they been passing.
@DN subscriber;"But, good on Ben for doing the right thing."Good comment. I'm proud of you. Seriously.
Tell ya what, Congress, I am more than happy to give you a pay raise on three
conditions: 1) You MUST pass a balanced budget every year. 2) You have to submit
a bill to the President implementing term limits on both the House and the
Senate. 3) There has to be a five year waiting period before any member of
Congress can become a lobbyist.
It is really tough being a Democrat in Utah. McAdams votes against the pay raise
for all of the reasons a conservative Republican would proffer and he gets
attacked by those who either did not read the article or intentionally
misrepresent McAdam’s position (i.e., Mike Richards, below) and by those
who believe that McAdams will be party to sneaking in the pay raise at a later
Congratulations to Ben and those of both parties who are trying to halt the
undeserved pay raise for Congress members! The national debt is burying us;
members of both houses who are independently wealthy could care less for the
money-just the power; they are getting paid plenty; and, oh yes, job
performance. Currently, the approval rating for Congress is 18%. 18%! There
isn't another group or individual in the country who could keep their jobs
with that level of ineptitude. (To put it into perspective-their rating is half
of Trump's).Forget the proposed raise: instead, have them give
50% of their current compensation back!
If I read just the headline, it would make me believe that only Democrats were
against the pay raise, and infer that Republicans and the "nasty Donald
Trump" wanted to raise the pay wage. But conveniently left out by the
Desnews headline in a paragraph buried in the story is that this is a
bi-partisian measure to stop the pay raise. But, since the Democrats controll
the house and all spending bills originate with the House, it sounds like the
Democrats and Rep McAdams are "standing up for the little guy". I have
always wondered how someone who enters politics with relatively meager means and
earns $174,000 a year, can retire in a few years a millionaire after "public
service". Great work if you can get it.
I can appreciate the frustrations people have with congress but I generally
don't have a problem with their salaries. Despite what people think,
being a congressperson is a difficult and complex job. Like most things in life,
you get what you pay for, and if we want better congresspeople we need to
compensate accordingly (maybe the gov't isn't run well because we
aren't attracting the most qualified applicants to manage things across all
levels of gov't). If the salaries get too low, we'll have fewer
talented and qualified people running for congress because they would make
substantially more in the private sector. I know not every member of congress is
brilliant or capable but on average these are highly qualified people. And I'm not naive to the perks of being a member of congress but being a
congressperson also has large costs that make it difficult for lower income
people to serve (e.g., maintaining housing in their home state and in DC, travel
time away from family, etc). And I appreciate it's important to get people
from a variety of backgrounds to ensure our lawmakers have diverse perspectives.
@Mike RichardsSound, defensible opinions should be made after reading,
researching and listening. One hardly things McAdams lost your vote. He
never got it the first time around.
Ben was right on the issue, and I am glad it looks like the pay raise will not
be passed.It is shameful (but, politicians have no shame) the way
Congress structured their pay raise deal so that is automatic unless they vote
against it, and then voting against it can usually be delayed by leadership or
parliamentary maneuvering, so everyone can say "I was against the raise, but
it happened anyway." Jimmy Matheson used to play the game that
he was against it, and after it passed he refused to take the increased
amount... until the following session.Actually, Congress does not
deserve to be paid anything in a year where they have not passed the required
budget and appropriations bills by September 30th. (They have failed every year
for decades now.) If, by some miracle they do pass the spending bills, then
they should only get half pay if their spending results in a deficit for that
year.But, good on Ben for doing the right thing.
Politicians have no shame when it comes to self service at taxpayers expense.
They just see it as another freebie given away to the select privileged at the
public trough. The USA could have better representative government at a big
savings by firing half of the house of representatives. They way out number
their usefulness. Much more productive work could be done at much less
overhead. We could do better by farming out congress to private enterprise,
Public universities or to the military.
Yet somehow the conservatives will find something wrong with McAdams for this...
Big J, you have to remember the core concept of socialists: it's the other
people who suffer, not me! Every single socialist/communist thinks
that they will be part of the "leadership" under socialism or communism.
None of them want to be the factory worker, they all think they will be in the
Politburo. Being the factory worker is for the common plebe, not the virtuous
leftist who will get to order us around.They want to rule over a
dystopian nightmare, not serve amongst the rising tide that lifts everyone.
@ Mike Richards - South Jordan, UT - You may want to reread the article. Rep.
McAdams is not in favor of the COL increase but rather is pushing against it.
Not generally a fan of McAdams but he's on the right side of
this issue. Where are the other Utah representatives on this?
I'm surprised at AOC. From her usual nonsensical rhetoric you would have
thought she would oppose an increase. Then again, she is already making far more
then she ever would have and just wants a little more for doing nothing.
Mr. McAdams thinks that he should be paid another $4,500 per year. That's
just great. I received a whopping $468 increase in 2019 ($39 per month). That
really made things nice around here. We only eat dog food three times a week
instead of five times a week. We can't afford to visit the Zoo, for which
we are taxed, or the Symphony or even TRAX, but we get $2,000 a month from a
government that forced us to join their Social Security program. That same
amount of money, if invested in government securities, would yield more than
twice that amount monthly without ever touching the principle.So go
ahead, Mr. McAdams. Tell us why you're worth another $4,500 per year while
SERVING Utah in the House. Why not demand a cut in pay for all members of
Congress? Why not put yourselves on a budget? Why not live on the same amount
that the rest of us have to live on? Could you live on $2,000 a month? Then
why do you force those of use who worked all of our lives to live on that
amount.You lost my vote.
Considering that they only work an average of 138 "legislative days" a
year, that $174,000 a year salary is outrageous. They say that they cannot
afford to live on such "meager" wages. How about the average American
trying to make it on around $50,000 a year or less? They limited a
president to 2 terms because they were afraid they would have too much power.
It's time to limit them to 2 terms and remove their ability to give
themselves pay raises whenever they feel like it. Also, cut their pay to no more
than $100,000 a year and make them actually work for it.
Members of Congress should receive the national median household salary of the
Citizens of the County. Their salary should be tied to that average. Then if
they want a raise they would have to work hard to raise everyone's salary
in the County and not just the lobbyist or large corporations backing them.
"Only in Congress could you hike your own pay without regard to performance
or fiscal responsibility,"How would you measure performance in
Congress? Number of bills passed? Number of times re-elected? Popularity in
polls? Number of opponents who insult you regularly?
The increase would have boosted the annual $174,000 salary for a member of
Congress by $4,500.He said the country is already "on the
unbelievable path of digging a nearly $1 trillion budget hole by the end of
September" and that "it is immoral to keep adding to that financial
burden to our children and grandchildren."Ben going to say he is
against a pay increase for his own political reason but the reality is that the
Democrat Controlled congress will pass the increase and Ben will benefit from
saying he against increase, at the same time fating his bank account.
Politicians don't work . Why should they be paid more. While Salt Lake
County was paying Ben McAdams for full time work as the County Mayor, Ben
McAdams was working full time to get himself another job. What happened to an
honest days work for an honest day's pay? We don't get that from our
Congress persons.When Jason Chafetz resigned 6 months early to go
work at FOX, it cost our county $500,000 in added election costs. That was not
very kind and thoughtful. That $500,000 could have been better spent on real
things.Congress has an approval rating of 23% and wants a raise?
No. They should be pay cuts for not working and no pay checks when the
gov't is shut down.