procuradorfiscal,I have declared no faith. What part of
atheist are you struggling to understand?
Re: ". . . the only appropriate time to share your religious beliefs is when
someone begs you incessantly for months to do so!"I don't
recall begging you incessantly for months to share your religious beliefs.The fact that the iconoclastic beliefs you express here run contrary to
those of most of the rest of us, in no way makes your beliefs more palatable,
acceptable, or "scientific" than ours. Yours are based -- as much as
ours -- on physically unverifiable, unfalsifiable anectotal conjecture and
hypothesis -- in other words "faith."Suggesting it's
inappropriate to share our faith, all the while loudly proclaiming your own,
seems embarrassingly disingenuous, to me.
dordrecht - you are right. I forgot about Elijah Able. Also, for some reason
this article forgot about Elder Helvacio Martins. So Elder Johnson would be the
third black member of the 70 in modern times. I am not sure if this
post will be approved by the des news moderator, because I posted about Elder
Martins a couple of days ago and they rejected my post. Maybe they don't
know who Elder Martins is.
Since religious history is most interesting, I found that on March 3, 1836
Joseph Smith authorized the ordination of African-American Elijah Abel (also
spelled Able) to the office of elder. On December 20 of the same year, Abel was
ordained to the office of Seventy. Consequently, Elder Peter M. Johnson is the
second African-American to become a Seventy in the history of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
@the atheist what country is this? The first amendment gives you the right to
share your beliefs anywhere? Who is forcing you to accept other beliefs? Where
is the right not to be offended found?You have no problem sharing
your doubt on a paper owned by the church. As long as there is freedom of
religion people will share there beliefs no one is forcing you to accept
them.Interracial couple as a General Authority as well. Been
several religions. I donlt mind getting baptized Jehpvahs Witness on Oct 30th
and a exed Nov 1st. Donlt have to answer door to trick or treaters. Of course
more complicated to join that church than that of course.
"Utah Blue Devil, Make sure you call the brethren right away and tell them
they're doing it wrong.""@Utahbluedevil missionary work
is by FAR most effective when led by members. We shouldn't need to have
scouts, dances or basketball to share out (sic) beliefs with those around
us."The Blue Devil is not wrong. I'm sure "the
Brethren" are fully aware that more than 3/4 of "converts" are no
longer active after a year. The "programs" are not working. Please don't share your beliefs at work, nor at school, nor at the
grocery store, nor on the back 9, nor over the backyard fence. If you think
about it, the only appropriate time to share your religious beliefs is when
someone begs you incessantly for months to do so!Changing "Home
Teaching" to "ministering" was transforming a lame, ineffective
program into an impotent program. My LDS neighbors brought by
traditional chocolate chip cookies the other day. Nobody in the house can eat
them because of dietary restrictions. Who knew? Not our assigned
"ministers"! Meaningless assignments.The "programs"
aren't working. The new programs are even less effective.
"Community" is becoming as outdated as the Walkman.
@Utahbluedevil missionary work is by FAR most effective when led by members. We
shouldn't need to have scouts, dances or basketball to share out beliefs
with those around us.
An inspiring and encouraging life story, and to think how not too many years
back this would have been unheard of and unaccepted. It is satisfying to see
progress and social enlightenment in the church's progress into the twenty
@Utah Blue DevilMake sure you call the brethren right away and tell
them they're doing it wrong.
I love this story, and find it most ironic as well..."It was in
Hawaii that Elder Johnson discovered sports — especially basketball
— and started down a road that would lead to a university education and
membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."This was at age 15. Today we have in the "field" lost many of those
programs that used to bring non-members through our doors. Youth sports, Boy
Scouts....Dances.... it was what brought many young people through our doors,
introduced them to the mormon community, and made them feel comfortable being
part of our LDS community. But for the most parts, most of these activities
are vestiges of the past. We spend thousands sending our youth on
missions around the world, and yet those things that brought non-member Youth
through our doors are being divested. My wife joined the church due to the
Young Womens program in Savannah Georgia. I would encourage all leaders to
remember the value of these programs externally, to make our building welcome
places in our communities, where people feel safe and welcoming to non-members.
We will send out kids thousands of miles away to teach, when at home there is a