President Nelson meets with Pulse nightclub owner prior to addressing Latter-day Saints in Orlando

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  • Lilly Munster , 00
    June 14, 2019 2:25 a.m.

    There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle, culture, or community.
    Just like LDS people (or anyone else) LGBTQ Americans come in all shapes, sizes, faiths, races, political parties, financial standing.....anything you care to name.
    No one says LDS Lifestyle. No one says Black Lifestyle. No one says Republican Lifestyle, because we are all intelligent enough to realize that just like Christians, Muslims, Jews, teachers and auto mechanics.....they come in every variety of human being. Can you spot, or even define, a Presbyterian Lifestyle? A Methodist Lifestyle? A Nurses Lifestyle?

  • sashabill , CA
    June 12, 2019 4:36 p.m.

    Rob S,

    The politically correct crowd seems to have a problem with Christians when they actually ARE Christian.

  • Here Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    @sceptic
    You wrote:
    The unknowns are as unknown to the mighty as to the common.
    Maybe true, but the unknowns to the mighty and to the common are known to the Almighty.

    To others:
    A leader of a religion makes a positive gesture to the owner of the Pulse nightclub where a tragedy occurred. Why make more of it than that? Does it have to be the cause of getting things all riled up.

  • Rob S Kent, WA
    June 12, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    So the church has no problem with gays except when they actually ARE gay.

    “If members feel same-gender attraction but do not engage in any homosexual behavior, leaders should support and encourage them in their resolve to live the law of chastity and to control unrighteous thoughts. These members may receive Church callings. If they are worthy and qualified in every other way, they may also hold temple recommends and receive temple ordinances” (Handbook 2: Administering the Church, 21.4.6).

    Seems a bit odd....and this is coming from a member.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    June 11, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    To "Frozen Fractals" no, actually Provo has been listed as being gay friendly. There are not that many gays there, but it is gay friendly.

  • Broken Arrow Draper, UT
    June 10, 2019 8:32 p.m.

    Wonderful to see President Nelson reaching out in love and understanding to the LGBT community. I hope more members will follow his example now that he has signaled this endorsement and caring for this marginalized group.

  • TrueBleuCoug Salem, UT
    June 10, 2019 6:37 p.m.

    So grateful for the example of President Nelson and other leaders. This subtle but important visit reminds us how we should treat others who may have different opinions or ideas. This visit also says those with religious views should be respected too.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 10, 2019 6:32 p.m.

    I don't think the false claims against Omar were intended to discredit the LGBT community. I think they more served to avoid facing up to Islamist motivated hate in the discuss of what was happening.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    June 10, 2019 6:23 p.m.

    The Pulse Attack was not aimed at those there based on being LGBT any suggestion otherwise goes against the clear indicators the attacker had no idea what type of club it was. The attack was motivated by hate of the United States and by radical militant Islamism.

  • rlynn Brandon, FL
    June 10, 2019 4:50 p.m.

    Justiciaparatodo
    "President Nelsen and the Church have done a lot to reach out to the Gay community in understanding, kindness and love, but alas, a lot of Gay folks won't give any recognition or praise for that - only criticism."

    As a Gay ExMormon, please tell me how he and the Church as reached out to me? Where was their support for the Utah's bain on conversion therapy? I will gladly recognize and praise the church when it really does research out in love and kindess, like many of their members do.

  • T-money$$$ Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 4:34 p.m.

    The Church has more members in Florida than anywhere else in the South (or anywhere on the East Coast) many of whom were also part of or had family involved in Orlando's LGBT scene. It's good to see President Nielson reach out and comfort the community like this. It's an awful tragedy what happened at Pulse, and sadly, many of those same hateful attitudes and rhetoric is being used against LGBT individuals today. I hope we can continue to see people like Nielson comfort those that need comforting.

  • kbee Syracuse, UT
    June 10, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    I get so sick of people demanding that other people repent or predicting where anyone else will end up in the next life according to religious doctrine. I really don't want the details of what anybody else does in their bedrooms or homes as they try to live happy lives. I have no idea why people make certain personal choices and what their individual struggles or genetics are. It's none of my business and it's none of their business whatever I choose to think in my brain about religion etc. This is a free country of thoughts and actions according to laws. Stop judging each other and debating doctrine. We know so very little about anything. We should accept each other's choices and stop the bigotry on both sides. Be as happy as you can be by loving others.

  • sashabill , CA
    June 10, 2019 3:09 p.m.

    Skeptic,

    The Mormon concept of "inclusiveness" includes both the unborn and the dead. This being the case, I don't believe that the LDS Church needs any lectures from the "PC" community about inclusiveness.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    @RedShirt
    "Did you know that Salt Lake has been named one of the most gay friendly large cities in the US? How could that be if the LDS people hated gays so much?"

    Well it's Salt Lake City... not Provo. You know, the liberal part of the state.

  • Orson Woods Cross, UT
    June 10, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    Skeptic,
    You have phrased it very poorly, but you are partially right. The church, or kingdom of God, and later Heaven, is exclusatory. But Hell is not. Satan will take anyone he can get. Jesus said that strait is the way and narrow the gate and few there be that find it. This means that only those who meet the conditions Jesus set and believe in Him and obey His commandments will receive the reward of Eternal Life with God.

    In our times, most are skeptical and won't do that and reject the message, as you do. But many others will and do and reap happiness here, and eternal life later, as a result.

  • sashabill , CA
    June 10, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    Semi-PRO, "That's a lot of property." It produces a lot of food to help and benefit people in need.

    dmcvey, Last time I checked, the LDS members aren't the ones who shout "bigot," and "homophobe" at anybody who disagrees with them, send hate mail and death threats to small business owners, try to hound people out of their jobs because of how they voted, or marginalize religious groups on college campuses (while professing to believe in pluralism, tolerance, and diversity).

    As for me, i am proud to be a member of a denomination which (as I mentioned earlier) understands the difference between love and relativism, and is capable of doing something more than just dishing out vague, nebulous talk about "diversity."

  • rlynn Brandon, FL
    June 10, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    To answer the question "So can Gay people ever achieve happiness under the current church dictates?" The answer depends if you look at the policies or the doctrine, under the current church policy - no, because If I were to a memeber once again, I would have leave than man I love, and destroy the family I have built out of love. But if you take the doctrine preached by Pres, Nelson that: “It is wherever the spirit of the Lord dwells in the hearts of the people. It is inside any home that has become a sanctuary of faith and is filled with love. It is inside every house of the Lord,” Then true happiness is achieved, as with my family, a home of two loving husbands, a daughter and son in-law and three wonderful grankids who call us Papa.

  • Semi-PRO Brigham City, UT
    June 10, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    "Mayor Jerry Demings of Orange County praised the relationship between local government and the church. The church owns 295,000 acres in the area that are part of Deseret Ranches of Florida."

    That's a lot of property.

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    June 10, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    I hope to see more inclusion of LGBT members in our church. They have a place in the church and are equal partakers in God’s plan, but it isn’t as clear as for straight folks.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 10, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    To "MoreMan" yes, gay people can be part of the LDS church an have a joyous life while living the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I don't know what you mean by dictates.

    To "dmcvey" what more do you expect the LDS church to do? Although the evidence that the LDS church is so unwelcoming to gays is really thin. Did you know that Salt Lake has been named one of the most gay friendly large cities in the US? How could that be if the LDS people hated gays so much?

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    MoreMan - San Diego, CA
    "So can Gay people ever achieve happiness under the current church dictates?"

    By dictates you really mean doctrine. Happiness is up to the individual who wants to follow Christ and does not depend on changing those principles to meet every person's life style.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    June 10, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    @ skeptic
    " God comes around to seeing things man's way"?

    Actually, it is the other way around:
    Moses delivered a lessor law, because the people were not ready.

    Jesus at first directed His Apostles to only teach within the tribe because the people were not ready (ie Samaritan)
    --- later added others of the 12 tribes, setting the example personally--
    later said to take it to all nations --- finally told them that he was serious about that (the revelation about the sheet and "unclean" food)

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 10, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    Jaxman,

    That is not true.

    The "investigations" could not find evidence for that bogus claim, including the article by Robles and Turkewitz.

    And even IF he was secretly gay - a big if! - he certainly wasn't part of the LGBT community - you kind of have to be "out" to be part of any community.

    These false claims are put out there by those wanting to discredit the LGBT community. That is deceptive and wrong.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    June 10, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    So can liars, thieves, adulteriers, lazy, pedifiles ever achieve happiness under the current church dictates? The answer is - Of course, through repentance. We all have issues in our lives that seperate us from the love of God. But as we repent and strive daily to be like Jesus, we can be forgiven and receive the grace and mercy that is extended through the atonement. It is not a place we get to in a moment, but over a life of trying, we will arrive. It doesn't matter what your problem is, Jesus can help you through it if you will let him.

  • Jaxman12 Jacksonville, FL
    June 10, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    @I M LDS 2 - Provo, UT, Omar was leading a double life. He was married, but was having affairs with men. That came out in the investigations. As far as the standing of the Church on same sex attractions, As long as a person is following the teachings of the Church and walking the covenant path, they are, or should be, in full fellowship as anyone else in the Church. They are not only active members, but hold responsible positions and even temple workers and ordinance workers. Sometimes some of the members are bias out of ignorance, but the Churchs official position is that Same Sex Attraction is not a choice.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    June 10, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    Wow, very mixed feelings. I was raised in the church but left not just because of but in part because I am gay. I know many very loving members, but don't feel that the church itself does much to curb hate toward LGBTQ+ people. Judging by a lot of the responses to this story I don't see the church doing much in the fight against hate.

  • sashabill , CA
    June 10, 2019 9:17 a.m.

    Lilly Munster & MoreMan,

    Unlike the politically correct crowd, the leaders of the LDS Church have not confused love with relativism. They understand the difference.

  • Patchmom Pleasant Grove, UT
    June 10, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    To Chris B...
    Not only was he married, but his wife was investigated for her participation in planning the shooting at Pulse. Her name was Noor.

    Hatred spreads when falsehoods are shared.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    June 10, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    @Justiiaparatodos,
    You post:
    Possibly. But in my view that can only happen if and when Gay citizens recognize that the Church is only teaching the dictates and commandments of God.
    If you have read and followed church history then you should know of the numerous dictate changes in church doctrine, ceremonies, rituals and policies. Isn't it wonderful how with time and a little humane reasoning man's God comes around to seeing things man's way. There is no justice for all without equal rights for all. Today's church is not yesterday's church; and tomorrow's church will not be today's church. Each person needs to learn to think for themselves. The unknowns are as unknown to the mighty as to the common.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 10, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    Chris B - "Its also worth noting it was a member of the LGBT community who killed so many others in this night club shooting."

    Excuse me? Omar Mateen was not gay, and was married to a woman.

    "A lie is any communication made with the intent to deceive."
    -- Elder Marvin J. Ashton

  • Bobby joe SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 10, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    @ more man

    Yes anyone who follows Heavenly Fathers standards and teachings will have joy and happIness.

    So thankful for true words of a prophet who is firm in testimony of truth in a troubled world. So thankful for a rue and loved bing prophet, who like Bible and Book of Mormon prophets who bravely say it the way it is. A true way of happiness.

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    @MoreMan:

    You asked this question: "So can Gay people ever achieve happiness under the current church dictates?"

    Possibly. But in my view that can only happen if and when Gay citizens recognize that the Church is only teaching the dictates and commandments of God. President Nelsen and the Church have done a lot to reach out to the Gay community in understanding, kindness and love, but alas, a lot of Gay folks won't give any recognition or praise for that - only criticism.

    A degree of happiness might well be achieved when Gay activists try building some bridges to the Church albeit with some understanding that there may never be total satisfaction. There are things in life that I am not totally satisfied with either, but I strive to deal with it in a productive way.

    Reality can really be a tough love school master sometimes.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 10, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    @Iron Rod

    "Is it significant to us that President Nelson spent time with the owner of a gay night club?"

    It should be, but sadly I doubt this "hitting home" with many of us who profess to follow the prophet...

  • captainA Mesa, AZ
    June 10, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    I was one those caught in the rainstorm and got soaked. But what a small price for the privilege of hearing President Nelson.
    The article didn't mention that President Nelson sang "I am a Child of God" with the Primary children, what a moment that was.

  • MoreMan San Diego, CA
    June 10, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    “It is wherever the spirit of the Lord dwells in the hearts of the people. It is inside any home that has become a sanctuary of faith and is filled with love. It is inside every house of the Lord,” said President Nelson. “It can be wherever you are when the spirit of the Lord is with you.” So can Gay people ever achieve happiness under the current church dictates?

  • Out of the Blue Layton, UT
    June 10, 2019 7:41 a.m.

    Now I have a clearer understanding of what "support, affiliate or agree with" means and importantly does not mean. I am very grateful for it!

  • Lilly Munster , 00
    June 10, 2019 7:34 a.m.

    The irony of this is just astounding. What do we know are factors that lead to the bullying, demonizing and murder of countless LGBT Americans? Yes, we do know.

  • Orson Woods Cross, UT
    June 10, 2019 7:33 a.m.

    This is an example of a prophet of God showing charity (the pure love of Christ) to someone that, despite a sinful lifestyle, is still one whom God and His prophet love; somewhat like Jesus eating, drinking, and spending time with sinners and publicans in His day. These holy men are capable of great love for all, even those who promote sin (as the nightclub did). Plus, no one deserves being gunned down.

    Let no one be guilty of thinking that Pres. Nelson is "supporting" these people in their culture and lifestyle and purposes. He can reach out and be filled with and show love for others (especially after enduring horrendous tragedy) while disapproving of their personal conduct. Prophets cannot condone sin anymore than the Lord can, but they are not hypocrites and they do reach out in love for all of God's children. There lives are filled with such behavior.

    A fine example for all of us, yet not an invitation to join that scene or support that lifestyle. There is a huge difference between loving sinners, and supporting them in their sins, and prophets of God know it. So should all Latter-day Saints that follow them.

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 7:17 a.m.

    We have been called to mourn with those who mourn. I see no better example than this. As St. Francis of Assisi is reputed to have said, “Always preach the gospel of Christ. When necessary, use words.”

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 6:47 a.m.

    I can imagine that she would have been tempted to skip the meeting, considering the church’s teachings. I think it’s brave of her to reach out

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 12:57 a.m.

    Is it significant to us that President Nelson spent time with the owner of a gay night club?

  • Waves MONTPELIER, ID
    June 10, 2019 12:36 a.m.

    Truly Sad

  • Rockyrd Gilbert, AZ
    June 9, 2019 10:09 p.m.

    I am pleased to see Pres. Nelson met with the owner of the Pulse Nightclub. What happened there three years ago was an absolute tragedy. Pres. Nelson is acknowledging that each of us is a beloved child of God and should be treated as such.