In our opinion: G20 Interfaith Forum answers the question, 'Where can the world turn for peace?'

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  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2019 10:15 a.m.

    You neglect Marx's observation of class conflict in all of our history. What can religion do in the face of that? Not clear.

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    June 10, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    Just because a group preaches "peace" does not mean they are ultimately a peaceful organization.

    Ask yourself: when the promised LDS "millennium" comes, what will happen to the non-believers? How do LDS officials (and members) treat non-believers today? (not well)

    See D&C 1:14 for the answer...

    Do LDS really believe in the 1st Amendment?

    Consider this:

    "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth, but is at the present limited to an ecclesiastical kingdom. During the millennial era, the kingdom of God will be both political and ecclesiastical (see Dan. 7:18, 22, 27; Rev. 11:15; JST Rev. 12:13, 7; D&C 65), and will have worldwide jurisdiction in political realms when the Lord has made a full end of all nations" (LDS Bible Dictionary).

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 10, 2019 6:12 a.m.

    Another thought on religion's role in conflict:

    Isn't religion part and parcel of the cultural divide currently infecting the United States? Aren't the Franklin Graham's of the nation propelled by the (baseless) belief that their god intended this to be a Christian nation? Don't they believe they're in the middle of a righteous war of dominion over "evil," i.e., people who don't share their views?

    IMO, many religions talk about peace a lot, but what they're really envisioning is everyone believing in their god(s) and following their rules. IMO, many believers imagine this and think, "Ahh! Religious liberty!," oblivious to the contradiction.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 10, 2019 5:28 a.m.

    Lots of articles in the DN recently calling for governments to do more about religious persecution; how it's increasing around the world. And then this op-ed suggesting that religion isn't ipso facto responsible for violence.

    Well, maybe not. I don't recall Jainism being responsible for its followers committing violence in the name of their god(s) or theology.

    But lots of other strains of religion contain the assertion that theirs is the one right way and that it is the believer's duty to work to bring their god's vision to bear on the earth. (You know: one-world government.) Some theologies of this type include either explicit or ambiguous language that enables the so-inclined to grant themselves permission to act in violence in furtherance of the righteous cause.

    No, religion isn't necessarily a route to violence, but that it's a component if not a primary drive of some violence and oppression is certainly not a myth. And as American history has shown, the most effective solution hasn't been turning to religion, but turning to secular means of constraining religion.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    June 9, 2019 4:20 p.m.

    Without Jesus Christ as the major force in over 2 billion of His children on this planet, and as the major influence over the 3 or 4 billion more that ascribe to some principles of Christianity, the world would have been lost to dictators and tyrants long ago. America is the leader of the not just the free world, but all of it, not because of anything but its reliance on the God of this nation and the God of the whole world. The athiests, comprising perhaps the 5th largest 'religion' of the world, are privileged to sit at the table of humanity despite their desire to stamp out the freedoms offered by God. The freedoms that were enshrined by the founders of this nation have produced the greatest nation, the most wealthy nation, the most powerful nation, the world has ever known, only because of the blessings that come, both material and otherwise, with such commitment and obedience to God's laws and the principles found in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. God bless America because of the righteous men and women who carve out their beautiful existence under the tent of freedom found here. We lead the world!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, UT
    June 9, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    Interesting comments. Did any of the posters read the article and then think about it or did they already have stones in hand, just waiting for a chance to start throwing? Some imply that religion is evil and since religion is evil that God must be evil. Are they aware of the position they have taken? There are only two forces, good and evil. If they call good evil, fulfilling the prophesy of Isaiah, then they have rejected all good and the source of goodness.

    The world can only find peace by first finding and then following the Prince of Peace. Even those who throw stones at him can be forgiven after they change their minds, their hearts, and their actions by desiring peace instead of throwing stones.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 9, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    Where can the world turn for peace?
    Not to the protestants and catholics of Ireland. Nor to the Israelis and Palestinians, nor the Indians and Pakistanis. Nor the Iranians.
    The parties of god, it seems, are the last place one should turn to for peace.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 9, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    "At some point, they (religious charities) become just another Planned Parenthood or ACORN or NCLR; polarized ideologies, fueled by tax revenue."

    This is an absolutely amazing comment. Firstly, the blood libel levied at two liberal organizations, and a nonexisting one that was never guilty of anything more than registering people to vote.

    Secondly, religious charities are already on the government tab. That is the problem these "charities" have with serving one disfavored population over their preferred customer. They want the $$$, but don't want to play by the rules. They want to discriminate with public money.

    Thirdly, religious organizations, particularly those of a fundamentalist/evangelical stripe, are now fully engaged in defending the President. This is done with the intent to open the taps of government funding for ideological purposes. Trump obliges them, as they are the last solid bastion of his political support. These religious leaders and organizations have sold their sole for financial gain.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 8, 2019 11:39 a.m.

    "Governments must protect the rights of such organizations to take their faith into the public square to bring about good."

    Does this include the right of any religious organization to be able to discriminate? For without that prohibition, these religious organizations are nothing more than evangelists who would have us dance for our supper.

    I have always been under the impression, which is now only quaintly looked upon, that true faith allows the adherent to suspend judgment, serve "the other" and demonstrate through their action a love for all. The quest to discriminate does not square with those goals. Are am I missing something?

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 8, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    Here's the rub: "Faith-based" doesn't mean what you think it does.

    As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Private institutions really aren’t private anymore. Many are primarily supplied by government funds.” He further remarked, "The non-government enterprises of public concern” were being “squeezed out of existence or slowly absorbed by government."

    These "charities" are involved in adoption, family counseling, addiction recovery, job training, welfare assistance, refugee resettlement and immigrant detention housing. And they rely heavily upon government subsidies to do their work.

    It is no longer a question of a church doing what they wish with the proceeds of the collection plate - they are using tax dollars. THAT changes the entire dynamic.

    At some point, they become just another Planned Parenthood or ACORN or NCLR; polarized ideologies, fueled by tax revenue.

    To be fair, the LDS Church, to my knowledge, does not have its hand out to government to fund its works. (Caveat: It would not surprise me to find out I am wrong about that.)

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    June 8, 2019 8:48 a.m.

    With world wide organized religion there can never be peace because their is no foundation for reality of believe. It is like Helios and Thor, there could never be peace with them: they are gods. One of them would have to subjugate his throne. Now what God would do that. Will the Mormons ever submit to the Catholics, will the Catholics ever submit to Islam, will Islam ever submit to Judaism, will superstition submit to intelligence, will they all submit to communism and world peace. Not very likely.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    Since when, especially since Christianity, has religion ever brought people together...without coercion?

    It has always been, "our religion is better than yours, and we will kill you to prove it." Religion has always suppressed learning, science and free thinking.

    Just look at the bible killings, the Spanish Inquisition, Evangelicals in the U.S., Muslims in the middle east and southeast Asia, biblical justifications by Christians for discrimination, killings, religious apartheid of various sorts.

    The world would be a more peaceful place without religion. Make people take personal responsibility for their actions.

    You don't need "religion" to believe in some kind of god, or none at all.

    Eliminating religion would remove one more reason that separates people, countries, races and let us just get on with other discriminations that may be less damaging.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 8, 2019 7:45 a.m.

    The Bible tells of a king Harried, he thought you could not rule by love, only by fear greed and the promise of security.