You neglect Marx's observation of class conflict in all of our history.
What can religion do in the face of that? Not clear.
Just because a group preaches "peace" does not mean they are ultimately
a peaceful organization.Ask yourself: when the promised LDS
"millennium" comes, what will happen to the non-believers? How do LDS
officials (and members) treat non-believers today? (not well)See
D&C 1:14 for the answer...Do LDS really believe in the 1st
Amendment?Consider this:"The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth, but is at the present
limited to an ecclesiastical kingdom. During the millennial era, the kingdom of
God will be both political and ecclesiastical (see Dan. 7:18, 22, 27; Rev.
11:15; JST Rev. 12:13, 7; D&C 65), and will have worldwide jurisdiction in
political realms when the Lord has made a full end of all nations" (LDS
Another thought on religion's role in conflict:Isn't
religion part and parcel of the cultural divide currently infecting the United
States? Aren't the Franklin Graham's of the nation propelled by the
(baseless) belief that their god intended this to be a Christian nation?
Don't they believe they're in the middle of a righteous war of
dominion over "evil," i.e., people who don't share their views?IMO, many religions talk about peace a lot, but what they're really
envisioning is everyone believing in their god(s) and following their rules.
IMO, many believers imagine this and think, "Ahh! Religious liberty!,"
oblivious to the contradiction.
Lots of articles in the DN recently calling for governments to do more about
religious persecution; how it's increasing around the world. And then this
op-ed suggesting that religion isn't ipso facto responsible for violence.
Well, maybe not. I don't recall Jainism being responsible for
its followers committing violence in the name of their god(s) or theology.But lots of other strains of religion contain the assertion that theirs
is the one right way and that it is the believer's duty to work to bring
their god's vision to bear on the earth. (You know: one-world government.)
Some theologies of this type include either explicit or ambiguous language that
enables the so-inclined to grant themselves permission to act in violence in
furtherance of the righteous cause.No, religion isn't
necessarily a route to violence, but that it's a component if not a primary
drive of some violence and oppression is certainly not a myth. And as American
history has shown, the most effective solution hasn't been turning to
religion, but turning to secular means of constraining religion.
Without Jesus Christ as the major force in over 2 billion of His children on
this planet, and as the major influence over the 3 or 4 billion more that
ascribe to some principles of Christianity, the world would have been lost to
dictators and tyrants long ago. America is the leader of the not just the free
world, but all of it, not because of anything but its reliance on the God of
this nation and the God of the whole world. The athiests, comprising perhaps
the 5th largest 'religion' of the world, are privileged to sit at the
table of humanity despite their desire to stamp out the freedoms offered by God.
The freedoms that were enshrined by the founders of this nation have produced
the greatest nation, the most wealthy nation, the most powerful nation, the
world has ever known, only because of the blessings that come, both material and
otherwise, with such commitment and obedience to God's laws and the
principles found in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. God
bless America because of the righteous men and women who carve out their
beautiful existence under the tent of freedom found here. We lead the world!
Interesting comments. Did any of the posters read the article and then think
about it or did they already have stones in hand, just waiting for a chance to
start throwing? Some imply that religion is evil and since religion is evil that
God must be evil. Are they aware of the position they have taken? There are
only two forces, good and evil. If they call good evil, fulfilling the prophesy
of Isaiah, then they have rejected all good and the source of goodness.The world can only find peace by first finding and then following the Prince
of Peace. Even those who throw stones at him can be forgiven after they change
their minds, their hearts, and their actions by desiring peace instead of
Where can the world turn for peace?Not to the protestants and catholics of
Ireland. Nor to the Israelis and Palestinians, nor the Indians and Pakistanis.
Nor the Iranians. The parties of god, it seems, are the last place one
should turn to for peace.
"At some point, they (religious charities) become just another Planned
Parenthood or ACORN or NCLR; polarized ideologies, fueled by tax
revenue."This is an absolutely amazing comment. Firstly, the
blood libel levied at two liberal organizations, and a nonexisting one that was
never guilty of anything more than registering people to vote.Secondly, religious charities are already on the government tab. That is the
problem these "charities" have with serving one disfavored population
over their preferred customer. They want the $$$, but don't want to play
by the rules. They want to discriminate with public money.Thirdly,
religious organizations, particularly those of a fundamentalist/evangelical
stripe, are now fully engaged in defending the President. This is done with the
intent to open the taps of government funding for ideological purposes. Trump
obliges them, as they are the last solid bastion of his political support.
These religious leaders and organizations have sold their sole for financial
"Governments must protect the rights of such organizations to take their
faith into the public square to bring about good."Does this
include the right of any religious organization to be able to discriminate? For
without that prohibition, these religious organizations are nothing more than
evangelists who would have us dance for our supper.I have always
been under the impression, which is now only quaintly looked upon, that true
faith allows the adherent to suspend judgment, serve "the other" and
demonstrate through their action a love for all. The quest to discriminate does
not square with those goals. Are am I missing something?
Here's the rub: "Faith-based" doesn't mean what you think it
does.As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Private institutions
really aren’t private anymore. Many are primarily supplied by government
funds.” He further remarked, "The non-government enterprises of public
concern” were being “squeezed out of existence or slowly absorbed by
government."These "charities" are involved in adoption,
family counseling, addiction recovery, job training, welfare assistance, refugee
resettlement and immigrant detention housing. And they rely heavily upon
government subsidies to do their work.It is no longer a question of
a church doing what they wish with the proceeds of the collection plate - they
are using tax dollars. THAT changes the entire dynamic.At some
point, they become just another Planned Parenthood or ACORN or NCLR; polarized
ideologies, fueled by tax revenue.To be fair, the LDS Church, to my
knowledge, does not have its hand out to government to fund its works. (Caveat:
It would not surprise me to find out I am wrong about that.)
With world wide organized religion there can never be peace because their is no
foundation for reality of believe. It is like Helios and Thor, there could
never be peace with them: they are gods. One of them would have to subjugate
his throne. Now what God would do that. Will the Mormons ever submit to the
Catholics, will the Catholics ever submit to Islam, will Islam ever submit to
Judaism, will superstition submit to intelligence, will they all submit to
communism and world peace. Not very likely.
Since when, especially since Christianity, has religion ever brought people
together...without coercion?It has always been, "our religion is
better than yours, and we will kill you to prove it." Religion has always
suppressed learning, science and free thinking.Just look at the
bible killings, the Spanish Inquisition, Evangelicals in the U.S., Muslims in
the middle east and southeast Asia, biblical justifications by Christians for
discrimination, killings, religious apartheid of various sorts.The
world would be a more peaceful place without religion. Make people take personal
responsibility for their actions. You don't need
"religion" to believe in some kind of god, or none at all.Eliminating religion would remove one more reason that separates people,
countries, races and let us just get on with other discriminations that may be
The Bible tells of a king Harried, he thought you could not rule by love, only
by fear greed and the promise of security.