@ siloRegardless of whatever numbers someone says are Sweden's
tax rates, the following are true:1) Our taxes will go up if those types
of policies are implemented here. None of it is free.2) Sweden does not
share a border with the 3rd world, so does not have the same concerns of
overwhelming their "free" goodies.3) Sweden relies on us to keep
them from the Russian sphere of influence. In a sense, the U.S (Sweden is not a
member of NATO) heavily subsidizes Sweden's social programs.
@n8tive american"Sweden personal income tax rate is 61.85%"False. Sweden has a progressive income tax that peaks at 61.85%."Let's say you make $60K a year. After taxes, you would be left
with $22.890. "Also false, because you're not calculating
tax using the progressive rate.The humorous part is that your
example actually shows the opposite of what you intended.$60k salary
is around 564000 swedish krona.Using a Swedish tax calculator like
statsskuld, your net pay after taxes would be 386,000 kr, or $41,155 (Not $22k
as you claimed)By comparison, using a US tax calculator, in Idaho,
on $60k salarly, your net pay after taxes would be $45,461Bottom
line, in Sweden, on $60k salary, you'd pay $4,300 more in taxes than in
Idaho, and you'd have full medical coverage, free college, no medical
bankruptcy, and no student loan unfunded liabilities of any kind.
n8tive...How deceptive can a person be?Your rate for
Sweden, and example of what it would leave is highly deceptive. That's the
nicest thing I could say.Sweden's tax rate includes the
employer contribution to their Social Security system, if a similar number were
applied to the US tax rate you post it would be higher by 6 percentage
points.Which brings up another point. Sweden, like the US levies
taxes on a graduated basis. Your math in computing the theoretical net in
Sweden is way, way off.Furthermore, the Swedes, the Dutch, the
Germans and the rest are hardly anti-Capitalist governments. In fact all most
are controlled by Conservative governments in a part of the world that is
decidely more generous with social benefits than the US. Yet, the people of
these countries value the services they receive despite a higher rate of
taxation. Lastly, if we were to include the cost of health care
into our tax rates, what might that do to our tax rates? Given these high tax
countries have one manner or another of low cost medical care for every citizen
of that country, the tax rates you describe are not equivalent to US rates.Figures do not lie, but...
''We hardly saw an American brand. In fact, it was hard to find the
few American things we wanted.'' Who Knew? The EU has 25 percent to
100 percent tariffs on American products, cars, Intellectual Property, you name
it. 100 percent tariff doubles the cost of a product. Some tariffs even higher.
The tariff has two purposes, keep the invader out and if that doesn't
work, collect taxes for redistribution for social welfare. The reason the
Austrians speak German, and not Russian, is because of the American Soldier. The
reason the Danes speak Danish and not German is because of the Amercan Soldier,
The reason the Swedes, French, and Italians speak Swedish, French and Italian
instead of German, is because of the American Soldier.
For those who want America to be like European nations, here's some info
for you as to how they pay for all their socialized stuff.Sweden
personal income tax rate is 61.85%.Netherlands-52%Denmark-55.8%Germany-47.5%France-45%UK-45%Italy-43%USA-37%Per
Tradingeconomics. comWe have democratic/socialist leaders pushing
for us to be like Sweden and Denmark. How much income in taxes are you willing
to give up for free healthcare and college?Let's say you make $60K a
year. After taxes, you would be left with $22.890. Still want to be like
them?Let's see if DN posts this.
I guess Euro-bashing is now in season. Europe is not dirty. Europeans are not
arrogant. Europeans have higher satisfaction in their lives than do Americans.
And Europe is not some socialist dystopia. I think it was great for
Mr Bell to relate the details of his visit to Vienna. The city has much to
offer and much to recommend. We might learn something from these ancient cities
who have a bit more experience in being communities than do we Americans.Lastly, someone please tell the "love it or leave it" crowd that
criticism is a patriotic display. I find it oddly disturbing that Conservatives
are all too willing to tell those of us with legitimate concerns don't
belong in this country.
I have been to Vienna three times and I have enjoyed the city and surrounding
areas immensely. Sounds like the writer also enjoyed it. I really don't
understand why he felt it was necessary to get so arrogant and preachy at the
end. The last two paragraphs are very much a European generalization of
American tourists, but it really is a generalization about all tourists. It
really upsets Europeans that Americans may not appreciate the final points of
their culture, but when they come to the U.S., they can barely stop complaining
about how things are here. It doesn't make it right and your travel
experiences will be richer if you resist the urge, but it is very unfair to
assert this is some sort of behavior peculiar to American tourists.
Why was this article written? Ego. Why was it published? Connections. Who really
cares about Greg’s tone deaf conspicuous consumption extravagances ? Most
Americans can’t afford a few days vacation in Vegas much less 3 weeks in
Vienna. But we are all glad you got to see all the museums, hear all the
concerts and eat at all the restaurants. Next time you are in the mood to
travel perhaps consider donating the expense to the Farmington abused children
center, take a weekend getaway to the Farmington Holiday Inn and experience the
culinary delights of a burger at Lagoon.
Two generations is all it took for American self hatred to take effect. 50 years
of fake news has done irreparable damage. Impartial and others should take
their talents to Europe. It’s better, right? So move there. Quit
complaining and tearing down the country. America is not Europe, never was,
never will be. Many countries in Europe have America to thank for their
existence today. People in these countries know this, and have a higher opinion
of America than some of our very own Americans whose presidential candidate lost
the last election.
Every city I've been to in Europe was filthy. Trash in the streets and on
the dirty sidewalks and graffiti everywhere. There were buildings and structures
everywhere that looked so dirty that you can't help but think Europeans
don't care all that much about air pollution. Let's not forget
it's only been since WWII that European countries have gotten along with
each other (except for that tragedy in the former Yugoslavia). Prior to that,
for centuries, that's all Europeans did was go to war with each other. I am
proud, and happy, to have been born in, and to live in, the United States. And I
am equally, (if not more!) proud to be an American citizen. I wouldn't want
to live anywhere else on this planet.
Most people who go on and on about America being the best country on Earth have
never traveled to any other country.
America nay not be the center of the world, but most of the world thinks that we
are it's bank, police and caretakers. Whenever there's a problem, who
does everyone turn to? The USA. Whenever any country needs money? Again, the
USA. Disaster aid? USA. Conflict? USA. Problem in your country? Move to the USA.
@Independent - Henderson, NVJune 7, 2019 5:24 p.m."Americans
tend to think that we are the center of the universe, that U.S. popular culture
has taken over the world, and that all the important companies, technology,
movies, social media, art and academic progress are centered in the U.S."
"American egocentrism seems to say that the world is a mere extension
of the United States, essentially our cultural, business, and political
colony." "Who thinks and says these things? I've never
heard this. I've lived in America all my life."But,
you've never lived in Utah all your life. Then, that statement would
"Americans tend to think that we are the center of the universe, that U.S.
popular culture has taken over the world, and that all the important companies,
technology, movies, social media, art and academic progress are centered in the
U.S." "American egocentrism seems to say that the world is a
mere extension of the United States, essentially our cultural, business, and
political colony." Who thinks and says these things? I've
never heard this. I've lived in America all my life. I've been puzzled
by this perspective all my life. We're very welcoming of different ideas
and cultures in America. People will roll their eyes at that statement, but
think about it. Putting America down is part of American culture. We're
always talking about how much better Europe is than us. We're always
putting ourselves down, our transportation system, our healthcare system, our TV
shows and comedy, our political system. It's been this way my entire life.
Think about it.
I'm glad Mr Bell and his family has a good time in Europe, and thought it
was a nice place. I'm sure that's exactly what they
wanted him to think.But I'm worried that he was unable to
resist the allure of the socialist propaganda that has fooled so many
Americans.Bell does not discuss the fact that most Europeans are
forced into the tyranny of socialist healthcare. They're free speech and
economic liberty are restricted! They aren't even allowed to own guns or
resist this tyranny.America is at the forefront of global freedom!
We cannot give in to the collectivists.
America may not be the center of the world, but it is the center of my world.
Other countries have some wonderful cities and beautiful places. But America is,
in my opinion, the best country in the world for me, and, I hope other people
from Europe or wherever, think the same of their home.
My first thought was this piece read like a script from Rick Steve's.My second thought was I hope this piece is not a one and done for the
author or the DN.
@Irony Guy - Bountiful, Utah;In Austria, my granddaughter with type-1
diabetes can get her month's insulin for about $63. Here it costs her well
over $1000. As a former healthcare executive, would you be willing to
comment on that situation?"Well, former healthcare executives
wouldn't be able to afford to rent homes for European vacations if they
didn't charge $1000/month.
Mr. Bell, here's another interesting contrast. In Austria, my granddaughter
with type-1 diabetes can get her month's insulin for about $63. Here it
costs her well over $1000. As a former healthcare executive, would
you be willing to comment on that situation?
This is an odd title. Do the Deseret News editors not dare to say "America
is not better than other countries" on the front page?
I lived in Europe for 2 years and it was a wonderful experience. There is a lot
to enjoy and appreciate in the various European countries. Their histories and
contributions to world culture cannot be underestimated. As a veteran, I am
very proud that my United States stepped in and saved these countries during WW
I and WWII. I'm sure we'll be happy to do it again if necessary.
I have had a similar life experience. I was raised in a very rural environment
in Utah, with most people thinking that a trip Las Vegas was breathtaking. The
course of my career has allowed me to travel to about 60 countries and live for
good lengths of time in several different countries. I have found that the world
out there is magnificent place, full of good people and amazing experiences.
Americans would be well served to adopt some humility and see what the rest of
humanity is up to, because in many ways it is kinder and more fulfilling.
America is truly unique and has offered so much opportunity to so many people,
but when it comes to "living" - that is the joy of day to day life - we
seem to be way behind the curve.
Vienna is a beautiful city full of culture, parks, good transportation and a
healthy life style. Oh, and universal health care!Why can't we
have that in this country? Or is it that Americans can not be
trusted with "nice things"?
Americans have a tendency to be arrogant & think that our supposedly
superior democratic govt makes Americans superior to citizens from any other
country. It's usually those who haven't traveled outside the US, who
seem to feel most strongly abt this. But when I travel around the
world, I realize that others are just like me--they have their own unique
struggles, & a variety of values & traditions, just as Americans do.I've met a Muslim gardener tending the Orson Hyde Garden in
Jerusalem & he helped me see that as a Latter-day Saint, I share many of his
values. My sympathy for Palestineans was furthered by an Iranian friend, who
helped me see how the creation of the Jewish state pushed them off their
homeland. I met warm-hearted Austrians who taught me the value of
forgiveness--that we can be friends w/people who once joined Hitler in trying to
subjugate the world.I met humble Hungarians who had only been free
of Communism for a few yrs, & saw the damage it had inflicted.I
met a WWII resistence fighter in France & many warm gracious people. I've met a refugee from war-torn Uganda, a wonderful women, who
taught me abt resilience.We are no better than anyone else.
Great article. The same could be written of Hamburg, Copenhagen and Stockholm.
And on top of what was written, these large European cities are very safe.
We take the best, and sometimes the worst of the world. Some people hate the
term but we are a blended culture. The blending continues today.Other people think that culture is owned by other nations... is isn’t.
There is no such thing as “stealing of others culture.” In America,
we believe including portions of other’s beliefs or traditions is what
makes us Americans. The above includes the American version of
English. English isn’t even close to a pure language, we accept its
Germanic, Latin, Spanish, Tex-Mex, and more and more Asian components..In many ways, “we are the world” because we are, collectively,
still trying to figure out what it means to be Americans...FYI, Thai
and Indian food are far better then anything my European ancestors brought with
Its OK. Most Europeans think they are the center, not of the world, but of
Western Civilization. And they have a point. We do have it pretty good here in
the USA, though. I dare say more people want to come here than anywhere else,
especially if they could. Some are just glad to get out from where they are to
anywhere else. That is sad. Everyplace should be a good place.
"Grocery stores are packed with Austrian and European brands and products.
We hardly saw an American brand. "If you understood, it's
that the European versions of our FDA and FTC don't allow European food
makers and sellers to put all the chemicals, steroids, nitrates, fats, plastics,
preservatives, etc. in their food supply. America is not the fattest country
because we all have zero self control, it's that our food supply is full of
junk. Europeans don't go to the grocery store 4+ times a week because they
just love shopping there, it's because their meats, dairy, breads, etc, are
fresh and made with fresh ingredients and they don't last long in
refrigerators or pantrys. They actually value the health of their citizenry over
the value of businesses bottom lines.