Q&A: Utah AD Mark Harlan talks Pac-12 brand, Larry Scott and BYU rivalry

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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 16, 2019 7:56 p.m.

    @backpacn - Sandy, UT

    "Which gives the hundreds of thousands of BYU fans who are citizens of the state of Utah just as much right to be involved in decisions regarding how the U is run, as Utah fans."
    ----------------------------

    So tell us good sir, how do your hundreds of thousands go about being involved in decisions regarding the U?

    I agree we all have the same rights. But your still NOT involved in the decision making process.

    Did you weigh in on the last coach hire? OR last AD hire? Did you vote on schools to schedule, how any money was spent, etc?

    And if you think any of these programs are looking at comment sections in local media articles to get a sense of what folks want, then your comments make sense.

    We all have the same rights. We agree. But nobody but the folks involved in actually making those decisions, has anything more than an opinion. i.e. no influence what-so-ever.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 13, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    @backpacn - Sandy, UT

    FACT:

    You weren't a part of the PAC12 planning, negotiation or invitation team.

    And while the timing might be "fact" you really have no idea if your speculation on the events equal the BYU narrative.

    And even if Utah were plan "B". That plan was already, long in place if Plan "A" fell through. They knew Plan "A" was a long shot and not very likely.

    Colorado was invited 1st because Larry Scott put a stake in the ground about what BigXII team were NOT going to get invited.

    He wasn't going to be held hostage by Texas, as they had already been doing in the BigXII at the time.

    You are welcome to your opinion but you don't, and can't, really know the intentions of the PAC 12. And the BYU narrative of these event, right or wrong, doesn't change the fact that Utah is in the PAC12 today. Regardless of how they got there.

    The BigXII has looked at BYU 3 times now, over decades. Still no invite. If/when they do actually get an invite, what will your "narrative" be about that? Plan "D" finally worked out? Yeah, I doubt it.

    You'll just be happy to be in.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 12, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    @ 65 power tossed trapped,

    U just made innuendo to me that I was a "Johnny Miller fan?" Are you kidding me? He lived near us in Holladay, Utah, my baby brother played with Johnny Miller Jr at Cottonwood HS,......Marty was #1 when they won 2 state championships and he beat JMjr like a step-child every time they played. The Millers were also a member of the Cottonwood Country Club.......and I played with Johnny Miller Sr. many times. I could never beat that guy......he was a GREAT PLAYER, unlike I. But, he was so beyond arrogant that NO ONE wanted to EVER be around him and never were......and they still do not!

    Now, BYu is not in any conversation.......Utah is in quite a few in fact. The alleged "rivalry" is TOAST!

    Try to be nicer, man........

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 12, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    "Most of us realists know who owns the state of Utah..."

    Sorry Johnny Miller fan, you have me confused for someone who cares about the Utah-BYU rivalry. I could easily live without it as could BYU. I'm a realist - I know that BYU and Utah exist in different worlds that may never collide again in the future.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 11, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Most of us realists know who owns the state of Utah."

    FACT: It's the good citizens of the state of Utah.

    Which gives the hundreds of thousands of BYU fans who are citizens of the state of Utah just as much right to be involved in decisions regarding how the U is run, as Utah fans.

    Those fans who are not citizens of the state of Utah have a right to squawk all they want to, but they have no right to be involved in decision-making discussions.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 11, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    wacpaddled

    You're still dodging the question, so here it is again:

    "If Colorado and Utah were "tied at the hip", then why was Colorado invited a full week before Utah?"

    FACT:

    Utah was NOT invited to join the PAC 12 until 2 days AFTER the merger had FAILED.

    Bottom line:

    Despite the false claims of the kids on the molehill, Utah was NEVER included the merger negotiations.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 11, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    @ 65 power tossy trapped,

    Most of us realists know who owns the state of Utah. Do U thunk Mark Harlan has any options, no matter how many Utes write him? BYu needs Utah these days.......and, they'll do EVERYTHING to make that happen. BYu's owners need to be audited by the IRS. Then, the U could possibly be free from the heat.....?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 11, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    Mark Harlan is going to make some peoples' heads explode with this BYU-nice talk.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 11, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    @ Arizona Ute,

    Your last post is very valid and important concerning "free speech." However, their microscopic culture that dwells in absolute denial, fear, self-loathing and ever extending just one iota of consideration for anyone other than themselves has never been just one thought or a possibility for them. Honestly, I like the never-ending entertainment value they provide every darn day, in fact. They are "the gift" that keeps on giving.

    U get it Arizona Ute, and thank you again for that important explanation sir!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 10, 2019 11:06 p.m.

    ruth Machine - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 2:09 p.m.
    navel vet

    "It's quite obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Larry Scott mentioned your big brother on the hill as a Pac-10 target as early as Feb. 2010 -- 4 months PRIOR to Texas bailing on the potential Pac-10/Big 12 South merger."

    Yet it's blatantly obvious from all news reports of the merger negotiations that Utah would have been left on the outside looking in if the merger had succeeded.

    There's no legitimate source that you can cite where Utah was seriously considered as a substitute for any of these teams, until the merger failed:

    Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado.

    If Colorado and Utah were "tied at the hip", then why was Colorado invited a full week before Utah?

    If the merger had succeeded, Utah would have been left out in the cold.
    _____

    Sigh.
    This has been debunked so many times.
    A&M chose the SEC during that time. Everyone knew they would never go to the PAC.
    Dallas Morning News, Denver Post, Tom Osborne.....those are more than enough sources referencing Utah.

    Can we please hear stores and references about BYU being invited to a conference?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 10, 2019 7:57 p.m.

    @Swoop - Salt Lake City, UT

    We live in America and have inalienable rights as a result. One of those rights is free speech.

    Just because you live in Utah doesn't give you any more rights than anyone else to share your opinion about any aspect of the University of Utah. You just have those rights naturally. You have the same rights to voice your opinion about Penn State or UCS, etc. too.

    Just like being LDS (er.. member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), doesn't give me any more rights to voice my opinion about what BYU does. But I don't have less right to do it either.

    Do you own voting shares in the University of Utah? Nope, it's not a publicly traded entity. Are you on the board of regents at the U of U? Are you employed in a capacity that grants you rights to speak about or vote on, who Utah should play? I am sure the answers are no, no and no.

    But you can voice your opinion freely.

    We all have the same rights, us Americans, to speak our opinions freely. Regardless of where we live, or what states we pay taxes in.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    June 10, 2019 7:09 p.m.

    Swoop

    “BYU fans have far more right to say what goes on at the U than you do.”

    Utah-Hawaii Alum should remember that the next time he gets the urge to start popping off about who Utah should and shouldn’t play.

    He’s only a bystander with no stake in the game.”

    That’s why Harlan completely ignores him.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2019 6:54 p.m.

    uteanymous

    “Utah is owned by all of the citizens of Utah,

    which obviously doesn’t include you,

    but does include 100’s of thousands of BYU fans.

    Bottom line,

    BYU fans have far more right to say what goes on at the U than you do.”

    Utah-Hawaii Alum should remember that the next time he gets the urge to start popping off about who Utah should and shouldn’t play.

    He’s only a bystander with no stake in the game.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 10, 2019 6:37 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “You are in fact correct! BYU’s owners also own the Utah State Legislature.....”

    Nope!

    Utah is owned by all of the citizens of Utah,

    which obviously doesn’t include you,

    but does include 100’s of thousands of BYU fans.

    Bottom line,

    BYU fans have far more right to say what goes on at the U than you do.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 10, 2019 6:10 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “BYu doesn't compare to Utah in all facets of education.......from bottom to top. Utah is a real school pards, not a parochial obedience experience.”

    Don’t kid yourself.

    BYU blows the doors off Utah in most facets of education......from top to bottom, with the added benefit of providing a Christ-centered learning experience.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 10, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    @ Quince Orchard,

    You are in fact correct! BYu's owners also own the Utah State Legislature......hence, they own everything in Utah, and they have from day one as you know.

    Again, you are correct, sir. Utah is a state school that takes students from all walks of life, minorities, financially stressed.......an entire gamut of souls are considered to attend Utah, rightfully so, and I'm HONORED that people get a chance. The competition to get into BYu as a regular kiddo is extremely difficult, and as you stated correctly, they ARE much better prepared and always smarter as a whole......okay, I agree, saint.

    However, BYu doesn't compare to Utah in all facets of education.......from bottom to top. Utah is a real school pards, not a parochial obedience experience. Utah has top professors and programs/research that are national/world leaders. There is just no way to compare BYu vs Utah.......impossible. Utah outclasses BYu in nearly all ways......not even close.

    I KNOW LDS are smart and have an unreal work ethic..........I grew up with them in Utah kind sir.

  • Quince Orchard Baltimore, MD
    June 10, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Utah's owners are a subset of BYU's owners.

    Despite your always misleading spin,

    BYU students, on average, are MUCH better prepared for college than their Utah counterparts, as proven by their much higher average ACT scores and GPAs.

    The majority of BYU's students come from out of state.
    The majority of Utah's students come from Utah.

    Even the top traditional Utah public high schools don't even begin to compare to most of the out-of-state high schools that most BYU students attended.

    For example, Quince Orchard High School, in Maryland:

    #533 in National Rankings (of 17,245 ranked schools)
    #11 in Maryland High Schools
    91%/66% of students took/passed at least one AP Exam

    THE highest ranked traditional Utah public high school, Davis High School:

    #853 in National Rankings
    #4 in Utah High Schools
    53%/46% of students took/passed at least one AP Exam

    * Source: USN&WR

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 10, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    @ Wild Ute,

    It must also be mentioned about the type of education at the U vs the Y..........Utah has much smaller class sizes in critical core classes taught by top-shelf full professors starting at the undergrad level. BYu has monster classes taught by grad assistants for the most part and their full professors hardly can compare to Utah. Also, BYu requires 7 religion classes to graduate.....? What? That only caters to LDS kids, not folks that want an education without suggested "indoctrination." In essence, BYu serves a very specific type of education totally designed/monitored by their owners. Utah is a great school. BYu serves the needs of their owner's flock of followers.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 10, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    I totally agree agree with Wild Ute, but getting into BYu as a Utah Mormon kid is really tough! There are MANY factors not known of generally......where they live/are from, legacy families, athletic admissions, offspring of LDS leaders/ BYu faculty and on and on. Therefore, admission requirements are really competitive. There are maybe 4000 freshman undergrad spots available......could be less in fact.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 9, 2019 11:44 p.m.

    Max it's called supply and demand in business. You see BYU has higher ACT scores because of all the Mormon parents who want them to go to BYU to meet a good LDS mate.

    The more that apply the more selective you can be and the higher ACT score required to get in. Utah ranks higher in masters programs thanks to their medical programs. BYU doesn't even come close to Utah. Which is why I chose Utah over BYU.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 9, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    "if it makes sense to take a year or two off based on what’s best for Utah, what’s best for BYU, we’ll both be open for that conversation."

    There is a ray of hope!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 8, 2019 9:21 p.m.

    Max - Upstate, NY
    June 8, 2019 4:43 p.m.

    Moreover, it is also a fact that the majority of Utah students could not meet the academic requirements for admission to BYU (and again, they don't even come close).

    -------

    A team of researchers, led by Raj Chetty of Stanford University and John Friedman of Brown University, released a report estimating “mobility ratings” for nearly all colleges in the country. The ratings represent how well institutions enable students from low-income backgrounds to both access and reap the benefits of college.

    On this mobility metric, BYU ranked 2,125 out of 2,137 institutions. Only 12 fared worse.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 8, 2019 8:33 p.m.

    SoonerUte:
    "CougsandDawgs wouldn't say UGA and Ga Tech constantly tweak each other."

    No they do not, except during rivalry week as you stated, and even that isn't much. That being said, Georgia and Florida fans constantly troll each other...UGA's daily podcast even has a segment called the "gator hater updater". That's different though because they play in the same division, fight for many of the same recruits, and have conference and sometimes national implications when they play each other...not the case for BYU vs Utah.

    It would be nice to see that kind of rivalry develop between Utah and a Pac12 South school, but it's not likely because there isn't the same history and animus developed over decades that you see with the RRR or TWLOCP. The Holy War may die over time, but right now there's animus that has historical context...so it lives on (even though many of us would rather it didn't).

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 8, 2019 7:55 p.m.

    maxi—

    byu is a teacher’s college & ranks extremely low in Workd Rankings, MUCH lower than us.

    byu has nice undergrad programs, but so do we, irregardless of entrance requirements.

    Where we really distance ourselves is in post-graduate studies, particularly in research/medicine.

    Research is precisely why byu was academically unqualified for PAC-12 inclusion, not this religion-nonsense.

    Go Utes!

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 8, 2019 4:43 p.m.

    You are absolutely right, Utah-Hawaii. BYU doesn't compare to Utah in ANYTHING academically. BYU is superior to Utah academically. And it isn't even close. This is just a fact. BYU is ranked much higher in any ranking of national universities and the student ACT scores soar above Utah's. Moreover, it is also a fact that the majority of Utah students could not meet the academic requirements for admission to BYU (and again, they don't even come close). These are just facts. They are verifiable and I think virtually everybody (well except some of the most uninformed) know this and I have never heard anybody even attempt to dispute this (until now :).

    However, it is also a fact (again, I have always been a fan of both schools having grown up in Utah) that athletically, Utah is now able to recruit athletes that they have never been able to recruit in the past. As a result, they are very difficult for BYU to compete against. Where BYU used to have the edge, now Utah has an edge (although the football teams are a lot closer than the outcomes would suggest over the last few years. Almost all of those games were extremely competitive and could have gone either way)

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2019 2:32 p.m.

    Glad to read that Harlan and Holmoe are open to another break in the football series.

    If BYU is to be truly independent, it must break away from using Utah as their measuring stick. Last year's greatest accomplishment of "leading Utah for a while" was a sad statement. Players and fans need to be more excited about their Indy schedule. Have heard too many say they'd be happy going 1-11, if that 1 win was vs Utah.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 8, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    @ Max,

    BYu doesn't compare to Utah in ANYTHING academically other than min admission standards. Remember, Utah is a state school, not a privately owned daycare center for "special" people. Stop spreading falsehoods sir.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 8, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    I feel sad that Mark Harlan balks at our "TRUE" instate football, USU, and schedules a struggler that their owners leverage Utah's flagship school = BYu.

    Last year, RES sold out + all standing room tickets vs BYu. Well, based on the published contract for that game, the Y was to receive $600k and must sell the 2500 allotted tickets or that would be deducted from their check from the U. BYu only sold 463 tickets is all. We all know whY......too expensive for them!!!! We paid far less, in finality, for that game and the standing room only U crowd found seats......a "true" blessing indeed! I bet if we scheduled Utah State.......they would buy EVERY seat......... if they are available.

    BYu has to pay Utah $1.65 million and no ticket quota to play at LES this August. I just love it!

    Goooooooo Utes!

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2019 1:18 p.m.

    @Aunty mythology

    To answer your question Utah won the National Championship in football 2008. Just 3 months ago the Utah men's and women's ski team won the National Championship with a 1st year coach.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    MichiganCougfan68: "Remind of of the last time you or any other Utah fan commenting on articles in Boulders newspapers? "

    Comment "gear counts" are a uniquely BYU thing. Other than rivalry week, the Sooners aren't trolling OSU Cowboys articles. Elkhorn would probably admit Colorado and CSU don't troll each other. CougsandDawgs wouldn't say UGA and Ga Tech constantly tweak each other.

    Oklahoma and Texas dont copy and paste old national championships because they have real ones. Sooners don't brag about the 1978 Heisman, because they've won 4 since then.

    I think Cougars copy and paste old accomplishments on every Ute article, because the power shift scares them. They used to be nationally relevant, and now with the rise of USU, they hope to stay in-state relevant.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    @phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    June 6, 2019 7:54 a.m.
    46&2

    "At the end of the day, the Utes are in."

    In what...

    . . . . . ?
    . . . . . ?
    . . . . . ?
    the Never had a single national HOF player club?"
    = = = = =
    PRO Football Hall of Fame members (as of 2019):
    BYU (1) . . Steve Young
    U of U (1) . . Larry Wilson
    USU (1) . . Merlin Olsen

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    Rosebowl call yet has the Big12 called yet? Utah has not accomplished what BYU has? 2008 National Championship 2 undefeated seasons in 04 and 08. Ray Guy and Lou Froze award winners in the same year. Winner of the South division of Pac12. BYU took their ball and went independent because no one wanted them for winning a couple WAC Championships. Because all the P5 commissioners saw BYU for what they are a flash in a pan.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 8, 2019 7:37 a.m.

    @ Rose Bowl,

    BYu football is almost extinct pal. It doesn't sell, hasn't this century at all, and everyone that attended BYu in the WAC "glory" years are grandparents, some great-grandparents in fact.

    Stop begging PAC12 Utah to schedule BYu sports!!!!!!

    U take care dear soul!

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 8, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    I am a fan of Utah and BYU. I cheered for them both growing up. I think it is great that Utah was invited to the Pac. At the time they were invited, BYU was the stronger school athletically and academically. Everyone knows why BYU was not invited to the Pac, whether they will admit to it or not. Sure it was disappointing at the time but it is crucial that BYU stays with its mission. BYU is still superior academically and that is what is most important. This is why these universities exist. The fact is that most University of Utah students couldn't come close to getting in BYU (check the grade point averages and ACT scores. it isn't even close). I'll take academic prowess any day over athletic. Let Utah have their Pac 12, BYU has the brains. I'll take that every time.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2019 5:10 a.m.

    Stop the game Utah does not need BYU play a team where Utah recruits take players home in front of families so they can watch their sons play.

    If have to continue playing them. Make them come to RES every year? If they want to play us make them play at our home. Or play BYU 2 years then USU 2 years. Take a break from BYU we should be playing USU over BYU.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2019 11:13 p.m.

    Gotta luv the jealous angst of all of the little brothers.

    Deep down they know that Utah will never match what BYU has already accomplished.

    Utah 🏈 = Indiana 🏈

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 7, 2019 4:30 p.m.

    @TrollPolice:

    First off - thanks for following Ute Nation so closely. Every time you do so, you strengthen my argument. But mostly, we really appreciate your support for all things Utah.

    My statement still stands: every single one of you byu fans would trade places with Utah in a heartbeat. You covet Utah's position in the P5. The one thing you completely overlook is that if byu did get into a P5 conference (which will never happen), you would still be able to keep your dirty, dusty, ancient so-called "legacy". Trading places with Utah is about the here and now, not 40 years ago. Nice try on the deflection while ignoring the obvious.

    So - keep on pretending that you're laughing. You can't hide your tears.

    Go Utes!
    Onward and Upward!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 7, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    @Elkhorn - Loveland, CO

    It's obvious that Utah and Colorado don't care about each other except for it being a conf. game.

    Colorado fans don't constantly comment on Utah sports articles.

    Utah and BYU are traditional rivals and will continue to be. No matter anyone's opinion on whether the game should be played or not.

    Every one can also debate why teams did or didn't get an invite to a certain conf., etc. Much of which will be speculation and narrative to support your own side. Whichever side that is.

    But the fact is, it doesn't matter. It certainly doesn't change anything to have an opinion about it.

    Utah is in the PAC12, BYU is independent, USU is in the MWC. Not opinion of how or why is changing that.

    One thing that is NOT debatable is that Independence, although many BYU fans seem to like it, has produced very little, to nothing in terms of success from football and basketball.

    My opinion is that BYU should join a conf. Preferably a P5 for all sports but even a G5 would be better. Every major accomplishment for BYU happened in the WAC. Nothing before and not much since.

    One man's opinion.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 7, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "What good is being a P5 if you're stuck with an empty broom closet as your 'Legacy'?"

    Your failure to answer the question that was asked will be your tacit admission that your "legacy" is a myth, and thus, nothing worth bragging about. Thank you for helping me prove my point.

    "You profess to be members of the 'conference of champions', yet when did a Utah men's team last win a real national championship in anything?"

    First of all, I never dubbed us the "Conference of Champions". The media did. And rightly so. After all, our league DOES have substantially more national championships than any other league in the nation.

    Second, our last national championship was won just 3-months ago, which know full well. Why else would you apply a stag filter? . It matters not if the title was won by a "men's" team, a "women's" team, or a "co-ed" squad. That whole "must – be – a – men's – team – title" is a metric you indy-WACers just made up in a desperate attempt to minimize an athletic department who owns 22 nat'l titles -- more than DOUBLE the total titles than in the bubble.

    Fail.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 7, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    Marked it Down:

    As had already been reported here -- multiple times -- Larry Scott and the Pac-10 "were looking to dump Oklahoma State". So yeah, there was a chance. A pretty big one. An "inevitable" one to be exact.

    Not sure why you indy-WACers are so quick to dismiss Utah, when everybody knows that schools like Tx Tech, Okla St, and Baylor were ankle-biters, trying to hitch a ride on Texas' coattails. Only Tech would have been successful, as the Pac-10 had no intention to add OSU or BU. Or you guys for that matter. Utah on the other hand WAS a desired commodity. So weep on little brother! Your tears are delicious!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 6, 2019 5:54 p.m.

    Navelvet

    “Orangebloods – a very legitimate source – and even cougarboard had a long discussion about an additional article that corroborated Chip Brown’s assertion that the Pac-10 had no interest in bringing Okla St along. If the merger had succeeded, Utah would have been stuck in the East division...”

    There was NO CHANCE of the merger happening without Okla St.

    It was more likely that Colorado would have left out.



    Denver Post
    June 10, 2010

    “Baylor officials began looking into options when reports surfaced last week that the Pac-10 is considering expanding with up to six Big 12 schools: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado.

    Powerful Baylor alumni said today that the Texas State Legislature is looking into ways to help their alma mater.”

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 6, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    Myth Machine:

    “Yet it's blatantly obvious from all news reports of the merger negotiations that Utah would have been left on the outside looking in if the merger had succeeded…There's no legitimate source that you can cite where Utah was seriously considered as a substitute for any of these teams, until the merger failed”

    Not so little bro. Not only “can I”, I’d “already had”. I’d already cited the Chip Brown article from Orangebloods – a very legitimate source – and even cougarboard had a long discussion about an additional article that corroborated Chip Brown’s assertion that the Pac-10 had no interest in bringing Okla St along. If the merger had succeeded, Utah would have been stuck in the East division, making boring annual roadies to places like Lawrence, Norman, and Lubbock.

    We’re “IN”. You’re NOT! Weep on little brother! Your tears are delicious!

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 3:42 p.m.

    There’s only one reason coug “fans” are so quick to diminish Utah’s PAC invite. Jealousy and envy. Unless you were there at the negotiations behind closed doors, you can only speculate and believe what you read. Again, as it stands TODAY, the Utes ARE a PAC 12 member.

    It’s the same as if I auditioned for a huge band, major record label and all, GOT the gig, then found out I was their 2nd, 3rd or 9th choice. I wouldn’t care! I’d be happy that I made it where I wanted to be. And very grateful, as I am for the Utes.

    @Naval Vet

    As always, very much enjoy your comments! SO entertaining!!!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    June 6, 2019 3:24 p.m.

    navel lint

    TrollPolice:

    "What good is your alleged "legacy closet" if you're stuck being "midmajors forever"?"

    What good is being a P5 if you're stuck with an empty broom closet as your "Legacy"?

    You profess to be members of the "conference of champions", yet when did a Utah men's team last win a real national championship in anything?

  • bano SANDY, UT
    June 6, 2019 2:57 p.m.

    I am a Ute fan and I have never commented on a byu article because I have never read a byu article. It is hilarious how byu fans comment on every Ute article. Your jealousy is very obvious. At the end of the day, who cares what went on 8 or 9 years ago. It is 2019 and the Utes play with the big boys while you are irrelevant.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 6, 2019 2:18 p.m.

    TrollPolice:

    What good is your alleged "legacy closet" if you're stuck being "midmajors forever"?

    P.S.: You guys aren't really a "legacy" school. That whole "legacy program" talk you indy-WACers repeat on these threads every day is a myth. If you all really WERE a "legacy program" the Big 12 -- you know, the "P5" league that has 2 membership vacancies -- would have invited you by now.

    #AnotherTruthBomb

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    navel vet

    "It's quite obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Larry Scott mentioned your big brother on the hill as a Pac-10 target as early as Feb. 2010 -- 4 months PRIOR to Texas bailing on the potential Pac-10/Big 12 South merger."

    Yet it's blatantly obvious from all news reports of the merger negotiations that Utah would have been left on the outside looking in if the merger had succeeded.

    There's no legitimate source that you can cite where Utah was seriously considered as a substitute for any of these teams, until the merger failed:

    Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado.

    If Colorado and Utah were "tied at the hip", then why was Colorado invited a full week before Utah?

    If the merger had succeeded, Utah would have been left out in the cold.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    VegasUte

    @Blue n gold: "Trade Independence for PAC 12 membership?

    - absolutely"

    Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.

    It's hysterical that you deliberately omitted the 2nd half of that response:

    Trade BYU’s Legacy Hall of Fame
    for Utah’s SOS trophy closet?

    - bwahaha 🤣 🥴 😂

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 6, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    @Blue n gold:

    "Trade Independence
    for PAC 12 membership?

    - absolutely"

    Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 6, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    mussingaround:

    "It’s quite obvious that utemythology is once again making up his own 'facts'...Utah was never even mentioned in the PAC 12 expansion discussion until two days AFTER the merger negotiations failed."

    It's quite obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Larry Scott mentioned your big brother on the hill as a Pac-10 target as early as Feb. 2010 -- 4 months PRIOR to Texas bailing on the potential Pac-10/Big 12 South merger.

    And for what it's worth, that "Feb. 2010" date was the earliest date where Scott addressed the Utes' candidacy to the media. But per fmr-Utah Athletic Director, Dr. Hill and Texas A&M President, Michael Young, Utah had had discussions with the Pac-10 even before Larry Scott was brought on as their Commissioner. How miserable for you!

    #TruthBomb

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2019 12:57 p.m.

    Ute fans love talking about "relevance", but the truth is, the Utes haven't done anything in their entire history that is truly nationally relevant.

    - No consensus national championships
    - No #1 rankings in either major poll, ever
    - No Heisman winners
    - No national hall of fame players
    - Only two 11+ win seasons (both in the MWC)
    - Only six conference championships in the last six decades, none in the PAC 12
    - Only eight AP Top 25 finishes in your entire history
    - Only one division title in a division in which only one opponent had a winning record

    You've gotten close a couple of times (4th in Coaches, 4th in the Heisman), but like beating Kentucky in the NCAA tourney, never quite enough to seal the deal.

    The truth is, you're the Indiana of the PAC 12, a P5 member that does nothing but ride the coat tails of the big boys of the Big Ten.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    TalkinKleenex - Gilbert, AZ

    46&2

    "At the end of the day, the Utes are in."

    In what...“

    In a Conference that gives us something to play for (all Conference awards, CCG, etc)

    In a situation that’s given us really good home schedules and upgraded facilities

    In a situation where we’ve landed much, much better recruits that wouldn’t have been possible had we been in the Mtn West...or Indy

    Oh, and there’s that little thing since going INTO the PAC...3,476 days!🤣

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    Kleenex - Gilbert, AZ

    You can have your past“accomplishments”. Because that’s ALL you got! They’re ancient history, and are doing ABSOLUTELY nothing for the program today. Since leaving the Mtn West, the cougs have been on a rapid decline. Why not look at the present picture, and focus on the future?

    Let’s discuss what independence has brought to the table thus far. And where we all know it’s headed. Eight seasons is a pretty good measuring stick, don’t ya think? Try not to respond with decades old accolades again, if you can.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    Phoenix: ""At the end of the day, the Utes are in." In what..."

    The club that counts; the gift that keeps on giving. The one that's relevant in this century, not when your grandfather played.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 6, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    46&2

    "At the end of the day, the Utes are in."

    In what...

    the Never won a Consensus National Championship club?
    the Never been ranked #1 in either major poll club?
    the Never won a Heisman club?
    the Never had a single national HOF player club?

    of course, we could go on and on and on about all of the national accomplishments the Utes have Never achieved, but the real reason Utah fans whine about BYU fans living in the past, is because the Utes have no past worth bragging about.

    All-time AP Top 100
    #34 BYU - 258 points
    #63 Utah - 114 points

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2019 5:31 a.m.

    FACTchequer:

    You guys just can’t let it go, can you? I’m impressed by all the concern you have. I wish I had that much passion for your cougs as you do the U. At the end of the day, the Utes are in. That’s ALL that matters! And it’s been a fun ride, with an exciting, bright future. Indy is quite the opposite, isn’t it?

    At least you guys have the time machine you can continually jump back into.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 5, 2019 7:49 p.m.

    It’s quite obvious that utemythology is once again making up his own “facts”.

    Utah was never even mentioned in the PAC 12 expansion discussion until two days AFTER the merger negotiations failed.

    Utah wasn’t until a full week after Colorado was invited, proving Colorado and were NEVER a package deal.

    If the merger had succeeded, the Utes would still be in the MWC.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    utemythology versus Reality

    California Golden Bears Blog
    June 4, 2010

    Merger Specifics: Six Big 12 teams (Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech) would be invited to join the Pac-10.

    ---

    StarHerald
    June 9, 2010

    The college sports landscape began a much-anticipated shift Thursday with the University of Colorado accepting an invitation to join the Pac-10.

    ---

    ESPN
    June 10, 2010

    With Nebraska apparently headed to the Big Ten, the Pac-10 is poised to become the Pac-16.
    Colorado already has received an invitation to join the conference, while five other invitations will be extended to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

    ---

    FOXSports
    June 16, 2010

    Utah is poised to become the 12th member of the Pac-10 as the conference quickly pivoted Wednesday to invite the Utes after being turned down by Texas and four other members of the Big 12 two days ago.

    ---

    Utah wasn't invited to join the PAC 12 until TWO DAYS AFTER the merger failed.

    Utah was NEVER part of "Plan A",

    more like Plan P or Q,

    after every other possibility had been rejected.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 5, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    utemythology

    “Scott didn't hastily invite Colorado, since they with Utah was Plan A for PAC-12.”

    NOPE!

    If Colorado & Utah were Plan A, then why weren’t they invited at the same time?

    * crickets *

    The real Plan A was P10 - B12 South
    (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and Colorado)

    If Plan A had succeeded, Utah would still be in the MWC.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    June 5, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    VegasUte -

    “Every single byu fan posting on these articles would trade places with Utah in a nano-second...”

    Trade Independence
    for PAC 12 membership?

    - absolutely

    Trade BYU’s Legacy Hall of Fame
    for Utah’s SOS trophy closet?

    - bwahaha 🤣 🥴 😂

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 5, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    Every single byu fan posting on these articles would trade places with Utah in a nano-second, despite their negative diatribes about the P5 conference that throws them games year after year. As it stands, the PAC is the only reason byu can claim 4 or 5 P5 games a year. Without Utah, byu would have been stuck with only 3 P5 opponents (like in 2014) more times than not.

    Face the facts:

    1- byu needs Utah
    2- Utah is fine without byu
    3- byu needs the PAC
    4- byu fans covet PAC membership
    5- Nine is nigh

    Go Utes!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 5, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    utemythology

    “Scott didn't hastily invite Colorado, since they with Utah was Plan A for PAC-12”

    The timeline proves your spin is totally FALSE!

    Colorado was WHILE the merger was still being negotiated.

    Utah wasn’t invited until AFTER the merger had FAILED!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2019 8:21 p.m.

    Swoop - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2019 8:18 a.m.
    utemythology

    The merger failed because of numerous issues, but the reason Larry Scott hastily invited Colorado was to shut Baylor out of the merger.

    ------

    That is your fantasy, stop it!

    The merger failed for the same reason why the WAC imploded, the diva wanted more money.

    Scott didn't hastily invite Colorado, since they with Utah was Plan A for PAC-12.

    Plan B was Texas for PAC-16 but the diva wouldn't agree to equal profit sharing.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    June 4, 2019 11:55 a.m.

    Harlan is obviously smart enough to ignore the temper tantrums of the BYU-obsessed haters.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    Squirt: "Dude, you are the minority in your own fan base. The overwhelming majority of Utah's fan base see the value and entertainment in this game."

    Dude, you should probably stick to speaking for your own fan base.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2019 10:01 a.m.

    MichiganCougfan68: "Remind of of the last time you or any other Utah fan commenting on articles in Boulders newspapers? "

    Remind us the last time the Colorado state legislature forced the U to play a religious school.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 4, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    “You obviously don’t know much about the details of the failed PAC 10 / Big 12 South merger.”

    Swept:

    Isn’t it hilarious that as much as BYU-P fans diss the Pac12, they claim to know EVERY single detail of the conference’s recent history? So typically coog!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    utemythology

    The merger failed because of numerous issues, but the reason Larry Scott hastily invited Colorado was to shut Baylor out of the merger.

    Texas legislators were already talking about forcing Baylor to be part of the merger just like they did when the remnants of the SWC and the Big 8 merged.

    You obviously don’t know much about the details of the failed PAC 10 / Big 12 South merger.

  • Squirtle ,
    June 4, 2019 6:32 a.m.

    @ekute - Layton, UT
    June 3, 2019 9:09 a.m.
    "I'm starting to wonder why only one fan base so desperate to keep it going and so afraid to take a break."

    Dude, you are the minority in your own fan base. The overwhelming majority of Utah's fan base see the value and entertainment in this game.

    Imagine you are a new AD and, despite your fans and donors wanting you to dump a series, you not only extend it, but continue to come out publicly supporting it. You were hired and are being paid millions for being an intelligent savvy sports mind. Does this make any sense? If this were fact you would be terminated pretty quick.

    I enjoy this game every year. Per Harlen, the Utah players enjoy this game every year. Per the ratings, fans nationally love this game every year. Per it being on opening night and on ESPN, advertisers love this game every year.

    I know you are an obsessed fan, but please use some of that intelligence and ability for rational thought you remind me Utah alums are known for.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 4, 2019 4:08 a.m.

    @RoadCoog

    BYU was not invited to the PAC-12 due to religious issues
    - That's an absolute FACT Jack
    - The same reason that prompted Larry Scott to hastily invite Colorado, before the merger was finalized, to shut Baylor out of the discussion.

    -------

    FACT: BYU and Baylor, both were NEVER considered for PAC-10 membership.

    There was no meger being finalized since Texas wouldn't agree to equal revenue sharing.

    In 2012, Texas and Oklahoma were rejected for PAC-12 membership. BYU again was never considered.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    June 4, 2019 2:49 a.m.

    Why not schedule BYU easy win for Utah always has been. But Harlan we are tired of BYU and their fans bring in someone challenging to play.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 3, 2019 11:45 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    June 3, 2019 1:49 p.m.
    ekute:
    "byu needs Utah more than they need "UW, Cal, and Stanford"."

    Why? So long as BYU can schedule h/h with more traditional Pac12 powers why do they need U more than those powers? That's just ludicrous.

    -----

    No it's not, BUY needs need the U to sell out LES.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 3, 2019 8:21 p.m.

    “ When was the last time Utah fans rushed the field three times getting two penalties at the end of a Utah-CU game?”

    You post as if it occurred last year.....How many years has it been now?

    That’s what I thought.....8 straight & counting.

    Go Utes!

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 3, 2019 8:13 p.m.

    Packers,
    Remind of of the last time you or any other Utah fan commenting on articles in Boulders newspapers? When was the last time Utah fans rushed the field three times getting two penalties at the end of a Utah-CU game? When have Utah fans ever rushed the field after beating the Buffs? Before Utah was invited to join the Pac 12 when was the last football game between Utah and CU?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 3, 2019 3:22 p.m.

    As for why BYU wasn't invited to the Pac10, I don't think it had as much to do with "religious bigotry" as some folks want to believe. I don't remember what writer explained it during the realignment frenzy but essentially he described being in a conference like being in a club, and either you're a good fit or you're not (something similar to what JustGordon said).

    That's it, in a nutshell...BYU wasn't a good cultural or academic fit, Utah was...it's that simple. Any conference has a right to choose it's members based on whatever criteria they want, period. Move on.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 3, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    Despite the made up hysteria about playing BYU not being a benefit to Utah,

    Utah has never even been close to being a legitimate contender for a CFP berth,

    so Utah's OOC SOS is totally irrelevant.

    Since the PAC 12 has an unbalanced schedule (4 home/5 away or 5 home/4 away)

    Utah always schedules a auto-win, one-and-done with an FCS opponent as a warm up game and to ensure that Utah always has at least 6 homes games, often 7.

    Adding a bottom dwelling MWC team ensures that Utah will have at least two guaranteed wins every season.

    To qualify for a bowl, all Utah has to do is win four PAC 12 games and they're bowl eligible - easy peasy.

    The truth is, "beefing" up Utah's OOC schedule is just a convenient excuse for Utah running away from BYU,

    just like the Utes already did to Utah St, so that the mighty weak Utes would never have to risk being embarrassed in Logan ever again.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 3, 2019 1:49 p.m.

    ekute:
    "byu needs Utah more than they need "UW, Cal, and Stanford"."

    Why? So long as BYU can schedule h/h with more traditional Pac12 powers why do they need U more than those powers? That's just ludicrous.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2019 1:38 p.m.

    Do your homework BYU homers...it is easy to say BYU was not selected by the PAC10 over Utah because of religion biases. The reality is, Utah administrators were meeting with PAC10 AD's, Presidents, and Conference officials for a long time trying to show them they were ready if the opportunity presented itself. It is fact that BYU administrators didn't even come close to this amount of pre-decision face time with these powers that be. Did that make the difference? Maybe, maybe not...but it is clear that it helped Utah. If the BYU administrators had put in that same effort...maybe things wouldn't have been different...but I am tired of hearing BYU guys say they got discriminated against when their school did very little to influence the decision makers...in addition...rather than just selling themselves in the few meetings they had...they had to make push their demands such as no playing on Sunday's instead of just selling themselves. Utah was smart enough to realize who they were and made ZERO demands and even agreed to not take a full share for several years.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 3, 2019 12:55 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs,
    byu needs Utah more than they need "UW, Cal, and Stanford". You won't say it...but you know...

    You also know that it wouldn't matter if we got stuck playing Idaho State, Toledo, and Umass...we still wouldn't need byu.

  • Arningad Cheyenne, WY
    June 3, 2019 12:44 p.m.

    "Stupid of the PAC 12 not to include BYU, but religious prejudice prevented that."

    If the Pac 10 had invited BYU, then they would not have invited Utah. The Pac 10 was not going to add two teams from the same State. The Pac 10 wanted to add TV Markets and adding two teams to get one market would make no sense.

    Some in the Pac 10 let their biases get the best of them and this prevented any acceptance of BYU. You are correct about that.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 3, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Harlan is smart enough to ignore the whiny complaints of a few insecure ankle biters when evaluating the value of continuing a century-old rivalry.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 3, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    FACT vs Fiction

    There is no value of the game to Utah
    - Totally FALSE - see nationally televised game on ESPN for August 2019
    - That's 1000% more valuable to Utah than opening at home versus a Big Sky patsy

    They have publicly stated the game is their Super Bow l
    - NO BYU official has ever said this

    Utah has beaten them and dropped in the polls
    - Utah has also beaten BYU and risen in the polls

    BYU was not invited to the PAC-12 due to religious issues
    - That's an absolute FACT Jack
    - The same reason that prompted Larry Scott to hastily invite Colorado, before the merger was finalized, to shut Baylor out of the discussion.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 3, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    ekute:
    "I'm starting to wonder why only one fan base so desperate to keep it going and so afraid to take a break."

    I try not to speak for all Y fans, just as U shouldn't speak for all U fans, but I couldn't care less if utah is ever on the schedule again (though I would like to see them on UGA's schedule along with Oregon and UCLA).

    I think most Y fans realize they have h/h schedules with far more traditional powers in the Pac12 than U. I think many Y fans keep ribbing U because of the obvious hubris and "legends-in-their-own-minds" mentality of SOME utah fans that they think they're something they are not. U don't deserve 2 for 1s if UW, Cal, and Stanford haven't desperately suggested them...U do see that these are bigger name programs than U, right?

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    You've got to be minding me. What "insensitive thoughts" were in this denied post? It's all fact and you continue to allow posts of lies saying that BYU-P was not invited to the PAC-12 because of religious discrimination. Now that's being insensitive.

    - There is no value of the game to Utah- True
    - They have publicly stated the game is their Super Bowl- True
    - Utah has beaten them and dropped in the polls- True
    - BYU-P was not invited to the PAC-12 due to religious issues- False

    "Please explain the value to the "rivalry" with BYU-P. The value is all to them, nothing to Utah. It's their admitted Super Bowl and Utah has beaten them and subsequently dropped in the polls. There is no value in that. And no, Blue Husky, you were not invited to the PAC 12 because of religious issues."

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    This USU thing is funny. A year ago, AD Hartwell from USU lied publicly that he had talked with Harlan when he had not. It is good to see they have now talked. That being said, there is nothing to gain by Utah by playing Utah State...it would be there superbowl. If they did play them...I would only play them at home.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 3, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    eCutie

    "And now I'm wondering what they think it is that we're running from."

    That's the real question isn't it.

    Why are some Utah fans so scared of playing BYU?

    We've already unmasked the bogus excuse of Utah trying to "improve" their OOC SOS.

    If that were really the case, the Utes would START by dropping the Big Sky teams from their schedule.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 3, 2019 9:50 a.m.

    And now I'm wondering what they think it is that we're running from.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 3, 2019 9:36 a.m.

    I'm laughing at the flimsy excuses our delicate little friends on the hill keep coming up with to run away from BYU.

    Safety first!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 3, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    I'm starting to wonder why only one fan base so desperate to keep it going and so afraid to take a break.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2019 8:01 a.m.

    He's beginning to see just how bogus the arguments for ending the rivalry really are.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 3, 2019 7:20 a.m.

    He's starting to see how the rivalry only benefits one side.

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 3, 2019 6:48 a.m.

    Harlan has done a great job ignoring the frantic calls by a few precious, but insecure souls, to end the rivalry.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    June 2, 2019 6:23 p.m.

    packers - roy, UT
    June 2, 2019 10:14 a.m.
    “Blue..You do know that Utah/Colorado is actually a much better rivalry than the BYU one, the two teams have been playing each other since 1905...”

    Don’t kid yourself; that’s just made up BYU-hating propaganda.

    As soon as Utah and Colorado joined separate conferences in the early 60’s, the Utes and Buffalos went their separate ways and didn’t schedule a single game until they were once again forced to play each other when both joined the PAC 12 nearly a half-century later.

    Except for the Utes being a conference opponent, Colorado fans couldn’t care less about U.

  • "Hakuna Matata" Vernal, UT
    June 2, 2019 6:06 p.m.

    Way to go girls on the Gymnastic Team, one of the firmest and brilliant athletes over the years at The University of Utah. I've already paid for season tickets for the next season.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    June 2, 2019 4:04 p.m.

    The lows are Harlan readiness to deal with byu in sports. Shame he did it, hope he will stop.

  • 8 in a row! Ogden, UT
    June 2, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    @ Uteology

    Winning games in the NCAA tourney is the standard. Many make the tourney.

    @ BlueCougar

    The CU/Utah game has been the most important of the season in terms of Utah winning the South... as Packers pointed out there is plenty of CU/Utah history.

    With Utah and BYU not being in the same conference, this game should never be played in November. If played, it should be the first game of the season.

    The biggest rivalry in Utah was Utah/Utah State.

    More history, BYU did a lot to keep Utah State our the new WAC. Now Utah State has a voice to keep BYU out of the MWC.

    I think the blue fan base should be a bit more respectful and worry about independence. The best thing to happen to Utah State in the last 50 years was to join a conference. Independence didn’t work for them either.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    BlueHusky - "Utah vs Colorado is not a rivalry. Stupid of the PAC 12 not to include BYU."
    By that logic, the PAC should have taken Colorado and Colorado State.
    Instead, they took the best universities from each state (conference associations are about more than just football).

    "but religious prejudice prevented the PAC from taking BYU"
    More likely the reason was "entitlement and laziness". Chris Hill lobbied hard and for many years promoting the case to take Utah. Down south, their case for inclusion was "you'd be fools not to take us. Remember 1984?" It didn't impress the PAC nor the Big12 (twice).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 2, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    Krystkowiak must make the NCAA this year, else we need to see how to better spend the $3.8M. That being said, the talent he's bringing in now is impressive, 8 4-star players on the roster or commits.

    BYU used to play 2-for-1 vs Utah State. Utah must now do the same with BYU/Utah State, rotating every 3 years.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    There were lots of reasons why our little blue brothers didn't get an invite to join the PAC10 when UTAH did. Religious prejudice was not one of them. However, playing the "victim card" of religious prejudice every chance one gets doesn't make it any truer.

    Our little blue brothers are NOT a Tier 1 research facility. Our little blue brothers have lots of limits on intellectual freedom and what can be taught based on religious doctrine. That's OK, they are a church school. I am sure Bob Jones University doesn't teach evolution, either.

    On the flip side, joining a conference is more than just playing major/minor and Olympic sports. It's becoming part of a fraternity/sorority of like-minded individuals involved in intellectual pursuits. The present "club members" are free to choose who to add and who not to add based on many factors. Obviously, our little blue brothers were not a desirable addition for the PAC's intellectual collaboration and research. Interestingly enough the Big12 wasn't interested either. Are they too prejudiced?

  • packers roy, UT
    June 2, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    Blue..You do know that Utah/Colorado is actually a much better rivalry than the byu one, the two teams have been playing each other since 1905, have played 63 games, with each team winning 30 times (3 ties) the average score of the games 14.75 to 14.54 for the Utes..much better than the 58 to 31 difference plus the overall scoring differential of 24.11 to 18.78 for the Utes versus BYU, so I really wouldn't say "nobody cares about" the game, it has a lot more at stake for Utah (Pac-12 South Title) than the BYU game does and those are the FACTS!! Go Utes

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 2, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    Good morning first two commenters (both BYU-P fans on a Utah article)...thanks for paying your rent for the day.

    Highs: Football team, most Olympic sports.
    Lows: Basketball, keeping BYU-P on the schedule in all sports.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 2, 2019 6:07 a.m.

    The Utah State comment was interesting. In the PAC 12 we have UW and WSU, Oregon and OSU, Az and ASU. We have Stanford (private) vs Cal. We have USC (private) vs UCLA.

    Utah vs BYU is the biggest rivalry in the state but many Utahns want to stop all competition between Utah vs BYU and Utah vs Utah State.

    Utah vs Colorado is not a rivalry. Stupid of the PAC 12 not to include BYU, but religious prejudice prevented that. That would have still left out USU.

    Personally I like BYU's independence in football. I'm not a Utahn, so I don't care much about the Utah-BYU rivalry. But I do believe Utah-BYU would be a much better rivalry than Utah-Colorado, which is a game nobody cares about.

  • water rocket , 00
    June 1, 2019 8:16 p.m.

    The U has a proud tradition that has taken some lumps on the hardwoods lately. I suspect that Harlan's first "big" decision will be not when, but how to replace the basketball coach.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    June 1, 2019 6:05 p.m.

    What lows? Reading u fans comments it’s all unicorns and rainbows on the hill.