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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 4, 2019 4:10 p.m.

    @BlueHusky - Saratoga Springs, UT

    BYU wishes they had a schedule like Utah's. No question.

    BYU typically playes 4, P5 opponents per season and not always the better P5 opponents either.
    (yes they play more next yr. but mostly it's 4)

    That is 2/3 or their games are against MWC (level) teams or worse. You literally should just be in the MWC and play really tough OOC games against P5 teams. It'd be the same schedule, really.

    And BYU's record against the lowly PAC12 isn't anything to write home about. They have yet, as an independent, to beat a PAC12 team with a winning record.

    As an independent, and even before, BYU has yet to finish a season ranked (it's been a decade). So, how is that working out for ya?

    As an independent BYU has yet to beat Utah. Again, same question....

    And as far as your brand goes? BYU and Washington were both ranked when you played last yr. Utah v. Washington, regular season last yr., had more viewership, by over 300K. And the CCG had millions more viewers than BYU v. Washington.

    Sooooo.....

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 4, 2019 8:12 a.m.

    Ha ha - a lot of frantic and hysterical comments from BYU haters (thanks Naval).

    Guess what. Your comments matter nothing. However, Utah has beaten BYU 8 straight times. And Utah played and lost their games with the only good team in the PAC12 this year: Washington.

    BYU is BYU. They came out of nowhere and revolutionized college football. Now they're independent and play whomever will play them. Meanwhile, the PAC12 plays a round robin against themselves and a few play BYU. Otherwise, the PAC12 teams play lower division teams. BYU is always a good game, bringing fans and national TV.

    P5 is a meaningless term. The bottom half to the P5 universe couldn't beat the top half of the G5 teams.

    Anyway, it is about the scoreboard. See U in August.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 3, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    @Squirtle - ,

    Math is hard, I guess.

    "So BYU beat Wisconsin and lost to Utah. That should put our SOS somewhere in the high 30's to low 40's. Seems about right."
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    BYU's SOS is actually known. It was #69 in the nation, according to Sagarin. BYU played NIU, UMass, NMST, etc. as well. Those go into the calculation too. Just an FYI.

    But nice try to make your SOS sound better than it was. That's probably what it was for those 2 games. But who knows.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 3, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    @Squirtle - ,

    "If Utah wants to be considered a national power and in the hunt for the playoff, they need to add a top P5 team to compliment the BYU game and their usual G5 bottom dweller."
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    So, you are saying currently, BYU is a "B" team on Utah's "A, B, C" approach? Tough to know that when you schedule yrs. in advance. BYU has been a tough opponent for Utah. The rival aspect of it makes it that way as much as anything else. So, BYU to another P5 team is likely not as much of an "A" game as it is to Utah.

    BYU is always completely amped up for their Super Bowl, that is the rivalry game.

    If Utah goes 11-1 and wins the PAC12, even with the OOC schedule they have, Utah goes to the CFP.

    Last yr's OOC schedule wasn't any better or worse than this yr. and Utah's overall SOS was #26. Clemson, who won it all last yr., was #25.

    WAY too much is being made of the OOC schedule. Utah simply has to win their games. Period. Wilner makes way too much about it. The PAC 12 really needs to win their bowl games. Then, OOC is a moot point.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 3, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    “Beating Stanford in their tiny insignificant tree stadium is NOT the same as beating Oklahoma at AT&T Stadium, Texas at Texas, Nebraska at Nebraska, or Wisconsin at Wisconsin.“

    Swept:

    Well of course, because you are comparing one Utah season to TEN BYU-P seasons.

    In the time it took for the coogs to get those 4 away wins you are so proud of, Utah also beat Cal at the San Diego Charger’s stadium, Iowa State at Iowa State, Pitt at Heinz Field, Michigan at the Big House, UCLA at the Rose Bowl (thrice), Oregon at Autzen Stadium, Washington at Washington, Arizona State in Tempe, West Virginia at the Cotton Bowl Stadium, and not to mention your coogs THREE times at LES.

    Next?

  • Squirtle ,
    June 3, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    @ArizonaUte - SLC, UT
    June 2, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    "That's particularly true of the Utes and Huskies. Neither has a marquee non-conference game to power its SOS."
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    You do realize that Wilner know that both Utah and Washington both play BYU, right?

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    Wilner is right. Byu is not a "marquee non-conference game" in 2019. We are a tough out as they say, but are definitely rebuilding what has become an average to above average team. Beating BYU should be looked at much the same as beating Arizona, California or Colorado. If Utah wants to be considered a national power and in the hunt for the playoff, they need to add a top P5 team to compliment the BYU game and their usual G5 bottom dweller.

  • Squirtle ,
    June 3, 2019 8:16 a.m.

    @ArizonaUte - SLC, UT
    June 2, 2019 3:43 p.m.

    "Wisconsin's final SOS after the 2018 season, was #52

    Utah's was #26"

    So BYU beat Wisconsin and lost to Utah. That should put our SOS somewhere in the high 30's to low 40's. Seems about right.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 3, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    @Swoop - Salt Lake City, UT

    Honestly, the yr. BYU beat those teams, so did a lot of other teams.

    BYU beats teams when they are down. Period. You can't know they are going to be down when you schedule them, so I give BYU a lot of credit for trying to schedule good teams.

    But look at every one of the wins you list. Yes, great traditional names, but the yr. you beat them were yrs. they were down. Did even one of those teams finish ranked the yr. BYU beat them?

    I think you know the answer. So, congrats.

    Oh, and Utah beat USC in 2016, in a yrs. they won the Rose Bowl and finished #3 in the nation.

    BYU's best win in program history was against Maimi back in the late 80's, or really early 90's (I should look it up). Maimi finished that season ranked #3 in the nation.

    Dick Harmon, in this very media outlet, claimed in a headline last yr., that the biggest win in BYU football program history was beating Wisconsin in 2018. A Wisconsin team that didn't finish ranked at all.

    So, congrats on beating teams with good name when those teams weren't good. Quite an accomplishment.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2019 10:36 p.m.

    utemythology

    When was the last time Colorado beat Oklahoma in AT&T Stadium, Texas at Texas, Nebraska at Nebraska, or Wisconsin at Wisconsin?

    For that matter, when was the last time Utah beat any of those teams?

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    That would be 2018 at 9-4 Stanford. We beat average P5 teams all the time.

    two words: reading comprehension

    Beating Stanford in their tiny insignificant tree stadium is NOT the same as beating Oklahoma at AT&T Stadium, Texas at Texas, Nebraska at Nebraska, or Wisconsin at Wisconsin.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 2, 2019 5:43 p.m.

    Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI
    June 2, 2019 2:03 p.m.

    ArizonaUte,
    FYI, Wisconsin finished with a better SOS then Utah and won their bowl game against a P5 opponent!

    ——-

    Are you too afraid to reference Wisc’s bowl opponent by name?

    How about listing our respective SOS rankings in detail?

    How’s this—Look up what our bowl opponent, NW, did to Wisc.

    Face it, Wisc was barely a .500 team last year & nowhere close to being ranked.

    In fact, byu hasn’t beaten a finish ranked P5 opponent in over 2 decades!

    Go Utes!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 2, 2019 3:43 p.m.

    @Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI

    Wisconsin's final SOS after the 2018 season, was #52

    Utah's was #26

    You do know that a lower SOS number = a harder schedule right? Just making sure based on your comment.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    June 2, 2019 2:03 p.m.

    ArizonaUte,
    FYI, Wisconsin finished with a better SOS then Utah and won their bowl game against a P5 opponent!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 2, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    @skywalker - Palo Alto, CA

    "That's particularly true of the Utes and Huskies. Neither has a marquee non-conference game to power its SOS."
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    You do realize that Wilner know that both Utah and Washington both play BYU, right?

    That is just a peak into what the nation thinks of BYU, not a marquee opponent. And questionable if they will help the SOS. Wilner is pulling for BYU to have more wins this yr. than they have in yrs. so the OOC schedules don't look like stinkers.

    Fact is, BYU has often been a very good opponent to schedule. You can't help it if you try and schedule a good team and they aren't good when you play them.

    Example; Wisconsin wasn't good last yr. Ok, they were pretty good but didn't finish ranked and certainly didn't live up to the hype. At all.

    And lately, BYU hasn't helped Utah's or the other PAC12 teams they play, schedule's. In 2017, BYU finished ranked #112 and lower than any FBS team any PAC12 school played that yr.

    Wilner is hopeful but clearly skeptical. He has been beating the OOC schedule drum for a while now.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 2, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    front ranger - Loveland, CO
    June 1, 2019 10:34 p.m.
    utemythology

    “The team in Boulder is 2-6 vs Utah including AP top 25 team”

    Which proves exactly NOTHING!

    When was the last time Colorado beat Oklahoma in AT&T Stadium, Texas at Texas, Nebraska at Nebraska, or Wisconsin at Wisconsin?

    For that matter, when was the last time Utah beat any of those teams?

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    That would be 2018 at 9-4 Stanford. We beat average P5 teams all the time.

    Now your turn.

    When was the last time BYU beat a #3, #10, #10, #12, #19, #21 P5 team?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 2, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Elkhorn - Loveland, CO
    June 1, 2019 9:51 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “BYU is NOT a mid-level P12 program. You might win 2-3 games at best in any P5 league.”

    The rankings prove otherwise, regardless of your jealous spin.

    Playing a PAC 12 home-and-home schedule would be a piece of cake compared erratic schedule BYU plays as an Independent.

    A mediocre BYU team finished 2-3 vs P5s last season, with a road and add a neutral site win.

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    You have it backwards, piece of cake is playing a 3 week P5 schedule, not 9 stright games like Utah. Injuries add up when you play 9 stright P5 and your depth comes into play.

    * BYU vs P12: 5-13 (27%)
    0-10 0% vs teams with winning record
    5-3 63% vs teams with losing record

    * BYU vs P5 in CFP era: 9-15 (33%)
    1-12 7% vs P5 with winning record
    8-3 73% vs team with a losing record
    Last win vs final ranked P5 was 1997.

    You are a mediocre G5 program.

    Rankings prove nothing on how you would play in a P5 league.

    MWC Utah, TCU vs P5: ~70+% vs P5 struggled in P5 leagues to build depth.

    BYU is ~40% vs P5 historically, has always struggled, even under HOF Edwards.

    BYU with a limited talent pool, will be a bottom feeder in any P5 league.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 2, 2019 5:18 a.m.

    front ranger - Loveland, CO
    June 1, 2019 10:34 p.m.
    utemythology

    “The team in Boulder is 2-6 vs Utah including AP top 25 team”

    Which proves exactly NOTHING!

    When was the last time Colorado beat Oklahoma in AT&T Stadium, Texas at Texas, Nebraska at Nebraska, or Wisconsin at Wisconsin?

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    Colorado has beaten plenty of mediocre teams.

    When has the last time BYU beat a final ranked P5 team?

  • front ranger Loveland, CO
    June 1, 2019 10:34 p.m.

    utemythology

    “The team in Boulder is 2-6 vs Utah including AP top 25 team”

    Which proves exactly NOTHING!

    When was the last time Colorado beat Oklahoma in AT&T Stadium, Texas at Texas, Nebraska at Nebraska, or Wisconsin at Wisconsin?

    For that matter, when was the last time Utah beat any of those teams?

    BYU has beaten some MUCH better P5 teams than Colorado in the last decade.

  • THECOUG Payson, UT
    June 1, 2019 10:15 p.m.

    Like 95% of the posts are from Utes

    Do you do this on every article about Oregon State?

    I thought not.

    If BYU is as irrelevant as you say they are then why do you keep talking about them?

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    June 1, 2019 9:51 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “BYU is NOT a mid-level P12 program. You might win 2-3 games at best in any P5 league.”

    The rankings prove otherwise, regardless of your jealous spin.

    Playing a PAC 12 home-and-home schedule would be a piece of cake compared erratic schedule BYU plays as an Independent.

    A mediocre BYU team finished 2-3 vs P5s last season, with a road and add a neutral site win.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 1, 2019 5:45 p.m.

    @Andrew

    And for 2019, SBNation is projecting #50 BYU to be on PAR or better than half the PAC 12:

    #49 ASU
    #50 BYU
    #52 Ariz
    #60 Cal
    #63 UCLA
    #68 Colo
    #105 OSU

    Living in BYU-hating denial won’t change the FACT that BYU is a quality opponent, certainly more consistently so than that made up rival in Boulder that couldn’t care less about U.

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    BYU is NOT a mid-level P12 program. You might win 2-3 games at best in any P5 league.

    The team in Boulder is 2-6 vs Utah including AP top 25 team, the cupcake in Provo is 0-8 and has yet to sniff a CFP ranking.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 1, 2019 5:37 p.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    June 1, 2019 1:35 p.m.
    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Despite your frantic spin, BYU is usually Utah’s toughest OOC opponent,

    and, as previously posted,

    BYU is ALWAYS better than some PAC 12 teams.

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    Nope!

    BYU is slightly better than Oregon State and Colorado. Both schools have better overall talent.

    BYU is a bottom feeder, 3rd in State.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2019 4:47 p.m.

    byu went 1-3 against PAC-12 opponents last year/is 5-13 overall, never having beaten even 1 opponent at or above .500/faces 3 opponents this year that project to finish with a winning record—

    Hello 5-16!

    Go Utes!

  • trueblueBYU Provo, UT
    June 1, 2019 3:03 p.m.

    Navel Vet: Who appointed you to make that decision?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 1, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Despite your frantic spin, BYU is usually Utah’s toughest OOC opponent,

    and, as previously posted,

    BYU is ALWAYS better than some PAC 12 teams.

    Even during a mediocre 2018 season (per Sagarin), #63 BYU was close to or better than half the PAC 12:

    #51 USC
    #59 Cal
    #63 BYU
    #65 Ariz
    #71 UCLA
    #72 Colo
    #115 OSU

    And for 2019, SBNation is projecting #50 BYU to be on PAR or better than half the PAC 12:

    #49 ASU
    #50 BYU
    #52 Ariz
    #60 Cal
    #63 UCLA
    #68 Colo
    #105 OSU

    Living in BYU-hating denial won’t change the FACT that BYU is a quality opponent, certainly more consistently so than that made up rival in Boulder that couldn’t care less about U.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 1, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    @ Blue Husky,

    What "success" at BYu are you speaking of? They cannot play football at all, haven't for a decade and BYu hoops makes a Sweet 16 every 30 years. Is there a ghost somewhere that I am not familiar with, or are you going to say the Y is a good school yet again? We all know about that misnomer pal.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    Sophie's Choice for Cougar Fans
    The only spot in the NY6 Bowls is reserved for highest rated G5.
    BYU could take it, but would have to publicly declare "we are G5".
    Should BYU take the G5 spot and face ridicule from Utah fans?
    Or should BYU play in Hawaii with their "P5 for scheduling" pride?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    June 1, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    Why would the PAC care about BYu success? I simply don't see it. Do we Utes want USC and UW to lose to BYu, a nothing burger? That is crazy talk! We Utes hope both teams beat the tar out of the Y. The article states a hypothetical that is just BYu chest thumping in essence, trying to be a factor, which they are NOT!

    BYu fans naively claim that they are better than some P5 teams? How do they know that? They DO NOT, and they are not. Unless BYu plays 8-9 P5 games a year, then they cannot make that "claim." P5 conference schedules are grueling and injuries pile up. BYu has little to no talent and ZERO depth to even whisper about, let alone boast of. BYu would NEVER be bowl eligible if they were P5. They cannot attract enough of the type of players that are mandatory to compete at that level.

    The 2021 BYu football schedule will most likely prove my claim. The Y faces 6 P-5 teams next season and 7 in 2021. That is close to any P5 conference schedule. Let us all see what happens next year and in 2021.

    Goooooo Utes!

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 1, 2019 6:15 a.m.

    LOL! The Ute football fans, whose team plays only BYU OOC, are desperate to trivialize BYU. Yet BYU's overall athletic program far exceeds Utah's.

    The NCAA considers BYU and Notre Dame as P5 equivalent for OOC counting purposes. In fact, ND owes BYU a game and is afraid to schedule. Probably Texas and Oklahoma feel the same way after the crushing defeats BYU recently laid on them in nationally televised games.

    BYU plays teams around the nation and I'll be in Tennessee for that game. While U play no-name PAC12 games, with only Washington (who U have beaten only once) as the only ranked team they've played in the last several years.

    Your panic and dismay at any BYU success is laughable. You guys are pathetic. See you in late August. Let the game speak for itself. I expect to enjoy BYU's victory and UW's win over Utah. Go Blue! - Go Purple!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 1, 2019 3:43 a.m.

    blue & white - , 00
    May 31, 2019 7:05 p.m.
    Utes try and try to convince others BYU is not a P5.

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    Another stable genius.

    Just type "P5 teams" in Google, not a single result shows BYU.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2019 12:01 a.m.

    Some.BYU.Dude - Mesa, AZ "Only in Ute minds is BYU not P5."
    Also in the minds of the College Football Playoffs, and the CFP payouts.

    Notre Dame (real P5) receives $2.5+ million
    BYU (scheduling-only P5) receives $333,000
    That is about 1/5 what each MWC team receives.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 31, 2019 10:35 p.m.

    Truth Machine - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2019 9:23 a.m.
    eCute

    "Jumped the gun when BYU was awarded that P5 equivalency status."

    How so?

    BYU is ALWAYS better than some of the teams in the PAC 12.

    Even during a mediocre 2018 season (per Sagarin), #63 BYU was on PAR or better than half the PAC 12:

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    BYU would be a bottom feeder in ANY P5 league.

    In 2018, BYU was 0-3 vs P12.

    5-13 (27%) all time

    That puts you at the bottom of the PAC-12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 31, 2019 10:29 p.m.

    @SkyCoog

    Bottom line:

    Every Utah fan should be cheering for BYU to finish ranked and have another 11+ win season.

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    9-3

    Genius, why would we cheer for you to beat USC and Washington?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 31, 2019 9:19 p.m.

    @blue and white

    "Utes try and try to convince others BYU is not a P5."

    ??? Pretty sure nobody needs to convince anyone of that. P5 means you're either in a P5 conference or you're Notre Dame. Which one do you think BYU-P is?

  • ariute Farmington, UT
    May 31, 2019 8:22 p.m.

    The Big 12 as an entire conference does not count BYU-p as a Power 5 opponent for scheduling purposes. Why is there such an aversion towards the PAC-12? Did cougar nation really dislike the PAC-12 Conference before Utah was invited to it? The PAC-12 has been great for the state of Utah as a whole. It’s brought in more money and given our local talent a lot more exposure.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 31, 2019 7:22 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    Its gotten pretty complicated. You need to lose to PAC-12 schools to make that conference look good, but you have to be highly ranked at the end of the season so it boosts our strength of schedule. Kind of hard to do both. Plus, one loss to a UMass or Liberty pretty much wipes SOS out.

  • blue & white , 00
    May 31, 2019 7:05 p.m.

    Utes try and try to convince others BYU is not a P5. U strain and strain but to no avail they only convince them selves. Around and around they go, like a dog chasing it’s tail. Try thinking of some positive things to say. The Cougs will be good and beat some 2-6 PAC teams this year. Go Cougs

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2019 5:34 p.m.

    @Some.BYU.Dude

    "NY6 games aren't 100% conference play. Teams can make NY6 bowl games and not win their conference...." Yes, teams can make NY6 bowl games and not win their conference. True. Thanks for reminding me one of the reasons why I love our conference membership. Possibilities: 1) Utah can attend a NY6 game and lose all three out of conference games. The Rose Bowl is a NY6 bowl. 2) Utah can go to the Rose Bowl and not win their conference. If the winner goes to the championship series, or to another NY6 bowl Utah could go to the Rose Bowl (again even if they were to lose all three non-conference games.) Those were the possibilities I referred to.
    Please, SOS matters and you know it." True, I do know it! In order to go to one of the other NY6 bowls Utah would have to win, probably 2 or all 3, non-conference games and have only 1 (certainly no more than 2) conference losses.

    There, is that a "complete picture"? But my original premise remains. Utah can go to a NY6 bowl and lose all three non-conference games! (P.S. Utah is generally considered a possibility for the Southern Division championship and even the conference champs. I dream of roses!

  • ariute Farmington, UT
    May 31, 2019 5:16 p.m.

    It's funny because when you see the 'bowl game affiliations' for 2019-2020 you see the following. PAC 12 vs Big 10 (Rose Bowl), Big 12 vs SEC (Sugar Bowl), ACC vs. highest ranked SEC/Big 10 Team OR NOTRE DAME (Orange Bowl). The highest-ranked conference champion from the American Athletic, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt will automatically get one spot in either the College Football Playoff or (Cotton Bowl). Then you have the Peach and Fiesta Bowls which will have the top 4 ranked CFP teams. NOWHERE in the NY6 bowl affiliations do you see BYU-P. The fact is that BYU-P isn't considered a Power 5 opponent by the ENTIRE Big 12 Conference (probably why they didn't invite them). Do Ute Fans want BYU-P to do well? Yes, just not against Washington, USC, or Utah. Beat the heck out of Tennessee....or don't. It's always fun to see BYU-P lose to the likes of UMASS, NIU,Utah State, Boise State, Fresno State, East Carolina, etc... The fact is it's been a tough slate for BYU-P for a decade. It's aggravating when you see a game at LES and the 'fans' say "national championship." That was in 1984 to a 6-6 team. Let it go already, Utah is relevant today. Let the U fans enjoy it.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 31, 2019 4:13 p.m.

    BYu doesn't help any P5 team, only causes a total catastrophe for any team when they win a fluke game.

    BYu is old news, really old in fact.

  • Utahnareapeculiarpeople Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    "That's particularly true of the Utes and Huskies. Neither has a marquee non-conference game to power its SOS."

    So why again is it so important to the u to play the y?

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    May 31, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    @Who Am I Sir?

    You're right, but not painting the full picture. NY6 games aren't 100% conference play. Teams can make NY6 bowl games and not win their conference. Imagine Utah being PAC-12 South champs, losing their CCG, and not making a NY6 game because they lost OOC games, whereas another P5 division champ didn't, or had strong SOS. Please, SOS matters and you know it.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    May 31, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Sorry little bro. You're a "midmajor". Full stop. There are only 65 P5 teams in the country, and they're the ones who are either members of the Pac-12, Big 12, BigTen, ACC, and SEC...
    ====================

    False. Every other P5 conference includes ND and BYU has P5 equivalent opponents. Go look up their scheduling requirements and go off of facts. The PAC-12 would do the same if they had schedule requirements, by their conference does not. PAC-12 plays 9 conference games, and there is no conference requirement for the other 3 regular season games. B1G, ACC, SEC and Big 12 each include that at least one OOC must be a P5 opponent, and that ND and BYU fulfill that requirement. Can you imagine the P5 conference that's already laughed at by the others coming up with schedule requirements that don't include BYU? LOL. Not a chance. Only in Ute minds is BYU not P5. P5 also says nothing about how good a team is anyway. Kansas and Rutgers aren't even close to being on the same tier as several G5s. Stop being obsessed with labels and take a team based on body of work.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    For every team, post season play is the goal going into the season.
    For Utah post season bowl objectives are as follows:
    1. Championship series; 2. NY 6 bowl (including the Rose Bowl) 3. Holiday Bowl 4. Alamo Bowl 5. Sun Bowl 6. Red Box 7. Cheez it 8. Las Vegas
    The game with BYU, or even how successful BYU's season affects only #1! (And, regardless of BYU, what are the chances for Utah in #1 anyway?)
    All other possibilities are determined entirely on PAC-12 conference games. Period.

    That is what made Mr. Kragthorpe's grading the BYU game as third most important on Utah's schedule, in an earlier article, so absurd. He said how important the 8 consecutive win run was to Utah. Really? Really what difference is it between 9 straight (100%)or 8 of 9 (88.8%) or even 14 of 17 (82.4%) or 13 of 17 (76.5%) or even 64 of 100 (64%) or 63 of 100 (63%)

    Utah needs BYU to be a difficult game for them only as it would better prepare us for 9/20 when games count.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 31, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    Truth Machine:

    Sorry little bro. You're a "midmajor". Full stop. There are only 65 P5 teams in the country, and they're the ones who are either members of the Pac-12, Big 12, BigTen, ACC, and SEC...

    ...or...

    ...are named Notre Dame.

    And that's it. Those are the only P5 teams. If you're not amongst those aforementioned 65 teams, you are -- by definition -- a "midmajor".

    Get used to it little bro. Because not only are you a "midmajor", you're actually a "midmajor forever".

    #Truth

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 31, 2019 12:25 p.m.

    skywalker:

    Silly "uneducated" fan mendenmidmajor was talking about. An 11+ win cougar team does not help Utah. Since we both play USC and UWa, it makes no difference from an overall, individual SOS perspective who wins between you guys and the Trojans and Huskies. But from a "clout" perspective, any win over a Pac-12 team damages all teams in the league. So at BEST, Utah would be aided by a 9-3 cougar season, where all 3 losses came courtesy of Utah, USC, and UWa.

    However with your weak SOS, a 9-3 cougar team will not head into the postseason as a "ranked" team. 10 wins is the minimum amount required for a midmajor to be ranked ya know. So really, even a 9-3 cougar team won't help your big brother on the hill.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    May 31, 2019 12:05 p.m.

    If BYU did a faceplant? If BYU runs the table on those team it probably won't help them much either.

    Go Cougs!

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    May 31, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    With BYU playing so many Pac teams it makes perfect sense for the Pac to want them to do very well.
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    So many?

    Three?

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    May 31, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    skywalker - Palo Alto, CA
    May 31, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Every Utah fan should be cheering for BYU to finish ranked and have another 11+ win season.

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    But we won't be.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    eCute

    "Jumped the gun when BYU was awarded that P5 equivalency status."

    How so?

    BYU is ALWAYS better than some of the teams in the PAC 12.

    Even during a mediocre 2018 season (per Sagarin), #63 BYU was on PAR or better than half the PAC 12:

    #51 USC
    #59 Cal
    #65 Ariz
    #71 UCLA
    #72 Colo
    #115 OSU

    For 2019, SBNation is projecting #50 BYU to be on PAR or better than half the PAC 12:

    #49 ASU
    #52 Ariz
    #60 Cal
    #63 UCLA
    #68 Colo
    #105 OSU

    Despite you-BYU hating spin, the Cougars are a P5-equivalent opponent.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    I'd guess that U fans are the only ones who don't want BYU to do well, they seem to want the Y to fail miserably every year (and not just in the game vs the U). With BYU playing so many Pac teams it makes perfect sense for the Pac to want them to do very well.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 31, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Cheer for the Cougars?

    BYU could play a role in the Pac-12's chances at one of its top teams landing a spot in the College Football Playoff this season, or in how the conference's New Year's Six bowl opportunities play out. In September, the Cougars host two of the league's top teams — Washington and Utah, who met in last year's Pac-12 championship game — as well as tradition rich USC.

    For the sake of the Pac-12, it would be good if BYU ended up being a positive mark on these teams' strength of schedule this season, as Mercury News reporter Jon Wilner explained Thursday after the league released start times and TV info for early-season games.

    "An eight- or nine-win season from BYU could elevate Pac-12 resumes, just as a face plant in Provo could undermine those resumes," Wilner wrote.

    "That's particularly true of the Utes and Huskies. Neither has a marquee non-conference game to power its SOS."

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    Bottom line:

    Every Utah fan should be cheering for BYU to finish ranked and have another 11+ win season.

    Go Cougs!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 31, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    Jumped the gun when byu was awarded that P5 equivalency status.