utemythology “Last 5 years, Utah ranked #25.Source: AP
and Sagarin”yawnLast 83 years,BYU is a Top
35 team, ranked #34Utah is a Top 65 team, ranked #63Call us
when you’ve finished in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, with
back-to-back Top 7 finishes culminating in a...Consensus National
Championship! 🏆Now that would be impressive.hmmm, BYU finished #12/#12 in 2009.What’s the highest Utah
finished in their recent mini rankings spurt?BYU finished higher
than that 3 of 4 seasons from 2006 to 2009.You’re doing sooo
well lately...* light pat on head *
utemythology “Do you not understand how rankings work? Have a
friend explain it to you.Last 5 years, Utah ranked #25.Source:
AP and Sagarin”Utah wasn’t ranked in 2018, so
you’re not currently a Top 25 team.Just like, beginning in
2011, Utah was a PAC 12 team, even though the Utes had been a MWC team the
previous 4 seasons.Just like you no longer have a bowl winning,
because U lost to NW in the Holiday Bowl.
BlueCoug - Provo, UTMay 30, 2019 7:59 a.m.utemythology"Utah is now a Top 25 P5 program and BYU is a dumpster-fire."Nope!The mighty Utes were unranked in 2018 and barely beat a
mediocre BYU team on their home turf.-----------Do you
not understand how rankings work? Have a friend explain it to you.Last 5 years, Utah ranked #25.Source: AP and Sagarin
ut-HAW“Good luck on Kolob dear soul.”Seriously, that’s all you’ve got when it comes to providing hard
evidence to support your made up fantasies? 🤣
@ blue n gold,Good luck on Kolob dear soul.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"There are some folks, like I, that know all
about your tiny social club and giant corporation. Some day pal.......the
"secrecy" will be exposed."- Really? Feel free to
"spill the beans"; we could all use a good laugh.-
You're obviously struggling with the vast difference between
"private" and "secret". Just because something is
"private" doesn't mean its some sort of "sinister secret"
that needs to be exposed."You seek verifiable evidence as it
relates to your you social club.......? Okay then, you can look up online many
tax returns filed in Canada, Ireland, UK and all over Europe. You'll see
EXACTLY where that coin goes my friend."- Really, that
information is available to anybody who decides to go searching for it on the
internet?- And what exactly will that evidence prove as it relates
to the LDS church subsidizing BYU athletics?The truth is,
you're all talk, but no walk when it comes to providing any actual evidence
from a reliable, verifiable source to back up your wild claims.
@ blue n gold,You seek verifiable evidence as it relates to your you
social club.......? Okay then, you can look up online many tax returns filed in
Canada, Ireland, UK and all over Europe. You'll see EXACTLY where that coin
goes my friend. And that, isn't what actually happens here in the
USA.............some day...... it will be exposed.
Having the spirited BYu worker bees buzzing around me trying to put just any
thought together in an attempt to debate me is really a form of comedy that does
NOT exist anywhere else on planet earth, not their dream planet that is. Thanks
@ blue and gold,There are some folks, like I, that know all about
your tiny social club and giant corporation.Some day pal.......the
"secrecy" will be exposed.It is only a matter of time. But,
the wwweb has "exposed" a few gems for sure!
Utah-Hawaii Alum"I know a lot more than U thunk I know pal and
let us leave it alone. I wouldn't make claims unless I knew stuff my
friend."What you "know" is nothing but hearsay unless
you can cite reliable, verifiable evidence from a reliable, verifiable source to
prove your claims.Sorry, but your frantic intimidation tactics
don't work here pal.
Utah-Hawaii Alum“Utah is a member of the finest collegiate
conference in the world by so far, indisputable. Did U know that fact
sir?”In terms of Consensus National College Football
Championships (#1 AP, #1 Coaches) and NCAA Men’s Basketball Championships
won during the last 20 years,the PAC 12 is THE weakest P5;
that’s not even debatable.In fact, BYU has won more Consensus
National College Football Championships (#1 AP, Coaches #1) since the
1980’s, than the entire PAC 12 combined.Did you know those
Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00May 30, 2019 11:47 a.m.@ talkinsports,“You can relish in Y yesteryears all U care to, actually your only
option as it relates to all things BYu and we don't care one iota what
y'all thunk.”As has been said before on this blog,Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories.Utah is
desperately trying to go where BYU has already been.BYU is already
in the Consensus National Champions and Heisman Trophy winners club,Utah fans still have their noses pressed against the windows desperately
wishing that they could be in the club.Go Cougs!
@ blue n gold,The Catholic Church has tons of real estate holdings
indeed, but they are a legit charitable operation, always have been and will be.
They have no "business" sir. I know a lot more than U thunk I know pal
and let us leave it alone. I wouldn't make claims unless I knew stuff my
@ talkinsports,You can relish in Y yesteryears all U care to,
actually your only option as it relates to all things BYu and we don't care
one iota what y'all thunk. I'm not sure if you are aware
of the fact that Utah is a member of the finest collegiate conference in the
world by so far, indisputable. Did U know that fact sir?And, we Utes
are so jazzed that we are in the big time. I wish you could feel it too. It
feels great, sir.We Utes hope that BYu is deemed what they are as of
today and are abolished from every Utah sports schedule like 5 years ago. We are
DONE with BYu kind sir.
Utah-Hawaii Alum - @ The sports authority,"Thank you for
posting the Doaks, O'Briens, Baughs and Outland awards from the BYu analog
WAC era yet again. That is so important these days."Feel free to
post Utah's matching list of accomplishments from 1892 to 2019 anytime you
desire.Judging from the numbers in the parenthesis, the list should
be pretty short:1 - Consensus National Championship (0)1 -
Heisman Trophy (0)6 - National HOF Players (0)17 - AP Top 25
Finishes (8)4 - Davey O'Brien - Best QB (0)7 - Sammy Baugh -
Best Passer (0)2 - Outland - Best Interior Lineman (0)1 - Doak
Walker - Best RB (0)1 - Maxwell - Best Overall (0)but hey, the
Utes have had a couple of pretty good kickers,so there's that.
Utah-Hawaii Alum - @ Just the Fax,"What you are
stating is simply not true, according to BYU in fact." - Prove
it with a reliable, verifiable sourceWhat is FACT, is that BYU is
owned by the biggest privately owned corporation in the world, by a long-shot.
- The Roman Catholic Church dwarfs the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints by a long-shot, but even if your claim was true, it's
totally irrelevant; the church does not subsidize BYU athletics.We
all have eyes and can see.......and there is a fair amount of publicly known
facts that refute every claim you are presenting.- Once again, prove
it with your reliable, verifiable sourcesBottom line:Despite your rant, you haven't provided a single, verifiable FACT from a
reliable, verifiable source to rebut any of the FACTS posted by Just the FAX.
Is it even remotely possible that the best college football player in the state
of Utah by so far it is a crime, Utah Ute junior cornerback Jaylon Johnson, is
worried about BYu's "WAC-era legacy program" 10 years before he was
born? I, uh, thunk not. Lil' Zachary Wilson so knows he cannot throw a ball
near Jaylon Johnson.
@ The sports authority,Thank you for posting the Doaks,
O'Briens, Baughs and Outland awards from the BYu analog WAC era yet again.
That is so important these days. That 20th century Y "legacy" has gotten
them into all doors here in the 21st century without one doubt. Congrats!
Just the FAX "BYU generates around $67 million a year in
revenue."Other often overlooked "bottom line"
factors...- All of BYU's athletic facilities are always totally
funded before they are built- Over half of BYU's athletic
scholarships are already fully endowed- BYU has one of the few collegiate
athletic departments that operates in the black
@ Just the Fax,What you are stating is simply not true, according to
BYu in fact. What is FACT, is that BYu is owned by the biggest privately owned
corporation in the world, by a long-shot. We all have eyes and can see.......and
there is a fair amount of publicly known facts that refute every claim you are
presenting. If BYu was a factor or valuable in any way whatsoever........a P5
conference may listen at some point.......?
Utah-Hawaii Alum"To all the frantic Y fans throwing shade at
PAC-12 utah........? No P5 conference will ever consider BYU......a fact.We Utes cannot wait until BYU no longer appears in any fashion, in
everything."yawnAll of the baby brothers on the
molehill will be long past caring before utah completes this list of national
achievements (current utah achievements):1 - Consensus National
Championship (0)1 - Heisman Trophy (0)6 - National HOF Players
(0)17 - AP Top 25 Finishes (8)4 - Davey O'Brien - Best QB
(0)7 - Sammy Baugh - Best Passer (0)2 - Outland - Best Interior
Lineman (0)1 - Doak Walker - Best RB (0)1 - Maxwell - Best Overall
(0)11 - 11+ win seasons (2)16 - 10+ win seasons (7)24 -
9+ win seasons (13)23 Conference Championships in the WAC/MWC/PAC 12
(6)BYU has already accomplished FAR more in only 94 seasons,than sorry Utah has accomplished in 125 seasons.Regardless
of your desperate attempts to "leave BYU in your dust"utah
will ALWAYS live in BYU's shadow.Enjoy the perpetual shade!FACTS!
BYU generates around $67 million a year in revenue. Considering it gets tens of
millions less than Big Ten and SEC teams in TV revenue, that’s not too
bad. It’s very good, in fact. It puts BYU at about 55th in total revenue,
compared to the bottom half of Pac-12 schools and higher than any G5 school.BYU actually produces as much or more revenue than a good portion of P5
schools in all categories outside of TV revenue. BYU is still on a 2010 contract
which was negotiated before the huge inflation in TV value for college sports.
Though not publicly known, BYU’s 2010 independent TV contract with ESPN is
estimated to be somewhere between $6-10 million annually, which is on par with
what ACC teams got around the same time.
To all the frantic Y fans throwing shade at PAC-12 Utah........? No P5
conference will ever consider BYu......a fact.We Utes cannot wait
until BYu no longer appears in any fashion, in everything.
Utah-Hawaii Alum“I highly doubt that BYu makes nearly $4
million/year from ESPN in the last 3 years, as their initial contract was
augmented by ESPN according to the Holmoe. I think it is closer to $2.5 million
actually. They only get paid for three guaranteed home games and their pay is
based on time slots and on what ESPN channel.”As usual, your
guesstimates bear no resemblance to reality.
ut-HAW"You are free to relish in his ball hog college antics,
fair enough and congrats."LOL at your petty jealousy.Prolific scorers by definition take a lot of shots.Unfortunately
for U, the Utes have never had a player whose game was so exciting that it
created a national mania.
utemythology"Utah is now a Top 25 P5 program and BYU is a
dumpster-fire."Nope!The mighty Utes were unranked in
2018 and barely beat a mediocre BYU team on their home turf.Utah won
the weakest PAC 12 South division in history - only ONE team, besides Utah,
finished with a winning record - just barely.Utah State was MUCH
better than U, in fact, unlike the unranked Utes,THREE MWC teams
were ranked in both final polls.Bottom line:The mighty
weak P5 Utes would have finished FOURTH in the MWC.
@ Naval Vet,I highly doubt that BYu makes nearly $4 million/year
from ESPN in the last 3 years, as their initial contract was augmented by ESPN
according to the Holmoe. I think it is closer to $2.5 million actually. They
only get paid for three guaranteed home games and their pay is based on time
slots and on what ESPN channel.
@ Factchucker,You are free to relish in his ball hog college antics,
fair enough and congrats. This last stint in PHX was very sad indeed, as you
would agree. My world Champion Chesapeake Bay Retriever could have gone 0-13
from beyond the arc as well, but I flat-out guarantee ya that she would play
better defense and be 1000x more popular. It would be "Dorimania"
worldwide within an hour! HAHA!Cheers!
No playoff for U - Salt Lake City, UTMay 29, 2019 9:10 p.m.utemythology What's your excuse for accomplishing far less in
125 seasons than BYU has accomplished in only 94 seasons?--------No excuse, I agree BYU, Pitt, and Minnesota have much better VHS
highlights.You must agree that Utah is now a Top 25 P5 program and
BYU is a dumpster-fire.
No playoff for YOU:What's YOUR excuse for being "midmajors
forever", despite having a 3 decade head start on your alleged "secret
negotiations" with the Pac-10? You know it only took Utah 4-months to do
what you all failed to do in 30-yrs, don't you? And now we'd just
raked in over $31 million last year, whereas you all hauled in just under $4
utemythology What's your excuse for accomplishing far less in
125 seasons than BYU has accomplished in only 94 seasons?
Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00May 29, 2019 4:12 p.m.@ Skywalker,James Taft Fredette and Adam Morrison are the two biggest NBA Draft busts of
the 21st century...Doesn’t change the fact one iota that
Jimmer was THE most exciting player in the entire country his senior season and
the Consensus National Player of the Year, winning more national awards than any
Utah player in history.Fredette singlehandedly crushed Utah in his
final appearance in the Huntsman Center.Utah fans are still smarting
from that beatdown.
@THEREALNDI agree with everything in your post except involving the
state legislature! Let's not give them any ideas/incentives to waste more
time & tax dollars. 😉
@ Skywalker,James Taft Fredette and Adam Morrison are the two
biggest NBA Draft busts of the 21st century and top 25 all-time.
blue n gold - Redmond, WAMay 29, 2019 3:51 p.m.utemythology"For Utah, the BYU game was a spring scrimmage until 1964.Utah
was 34-2 (4 ties) including 14 shutouts.Over the first 18 years, you
scored a total of 35 points combined."yawn...Thanks
to a THIRTY YEAR head start and BYU once again having to rebuild its program
from scratch after WWII. 3/4ths of the games were played at Utah because BYU
didn't even have a football stadium.--------Why is
that Utah's problem?What's your excuse today?
utemythologyLOL at your phony time frames.Since 2005-06,
BYU has dominated U across the board inNCAA Appearances 8-3NCAA Wins 4-3NIT Appearances 5-3NIT Wins 6-4Post
Season Appearances 13-6Post Season Wins 10-7The ONLY NCAA
success Utah has had is with Poeltl and Jakob barely drew a whimper compared to
the mania produced by Jimmer, the Consensus National Player of the Year (which
you conveniently ignored).
utemythology"For Utah, the BYU game was a spring scrimmage until
1964.Utah was 34-2 (4 ties) including 14 shutouts.Over
the first 18 years, you scored a total of 35 points combined."yawn...Thanks to a THIRTY YEAR head start and BYU once again
having to rebuild its program from scratch after WWII. 3/4ths of the games were
played at Utah because BYU didn't even have a football stadium.Unfortunately for U, during Utah's heyday of domination, Utah was nothing
more than a bad football program beating up on an even worse football
program.From 1892 to 1991, the Utes only played in TWO bowl games,
were only ranked ONCE, in ONE poll, and never won more than NINE games in a
single season.Seriously, how much more pathetic can U get in your
first CENTURY of football?In 1962, BYU finally decided to start
taking football seriously. They helped found the WAC, with Utah, and built a
permanent football stadium.In 1965, BYU won their first conference
championship and has owned the BYU-Utah series 29-24 since.With 6
seasons left before reaching 100, BYU already has (Utah)1 Consensus
National Championship (0)1 Heisman Trophy (0)17 AP Top 25 Finishes
(8)11 11+ Win Seasons (2)
No playoff for U - Salt Lake City, UTMay 29, 2019 3:17 p.m.utemythologyre: "BYU has owned Utah in basketball since
2005-06""What are you talking about? We have proved it on
the court in the postseason."NOT since 2005-06 U
haven't.-----Yes we have!Since 2015:* Top 25: 2* NCAA: 3-2* NIT: 4-2* NBA Draft: 3You were from 2005-2014, Jimmer took BYU to another level:*
3-4 NCAA (1 S16)* 2 Top 25 * NBA Draft: 2
utemythology"All BYU, Utah State, and Weber State get is
participation trophies"I'll take BYU's EIGHT
participation trophies since 2005-06 over Utah's THREE participation
trophies since 2005-06anyday!If you search hard enough,
you might be able to find 5 SOS trophies hidden in your trophy closet to even
utemythologyre: "BYU has owned Utah in basketball since
2005-06""What are you talking about? We have proved it on
the court in the postseason."NOT since 2005-06 U
haven't.NCAA TournamentsBYU 8 > Utah 3NIT
TournamentsBYU 5 > Utah 3Total Post Season TournamentsBYU 13 > Utah 6BYU has played in more than TWICE as many post
season tournaments and nearly THREE times as many NCAA tournaments as Utah since
2005-06.NCAA WinsBYU 4 > Utah 3NIT WinsBYU 6 > Utah 4Total Post Seasons WinsBYU 10 > Utah
7And, let's not forget Utah's total meltdown in their last
game in the NCAA tournament.The only decent NCAA tournament opponent
you've beaten since 2005-06 is Georgetown.That's
supposedly proving it on the court in post season?
Swoop - Salt Lake City, UTMay 29, 2019 2:00 p.m.BYU and Utah are
such rivals that the Utes count a spring scrimmage against Brigham Young Academy
as a real game to pad their rivalry record.Seriously, who else but
Utah would count a spring scrimmage as a real game?-------For Utah, the BYU game was a spring scrimmage until 1964.Utah was
34-2 (4 ties) including 14 shutouts.Over the first 18 years, you
scored a total of 35 points combined.Over the first 40 years, only 5
times BYU managed to score in double digits, Utah did it in 34 games.
@ mussing around,Sir, I felt no pain whatsoever, NEVER! I had ZERO
respect for them, if that? I can only be insulted with my permission. They never
dared to say anything raw to my face, or about me even ONCE. I defended the
souls they did pick on and belittle however. It was fun as heck my friend.I have a handful of ardent LDS friends that live the tenets and never
judge others' beliefs. They are angelic in my book. So, it ain't about
what you may be assuming.......?I follow and enjoy BYu volleyball,
have since 1984 in fact. They don't run their mouths and reflect perfect
sportsmanship ALWAYS. They are great, always have been and need not yak.Most Y fans act in a fashion that is unacceptable to all. I think you
know that. So, you will understand where I'm coming from hopefully.You are good man! Thanks for that chat!!!!!
@RockCougBottom lineBYU has owned Utah in basketball since
2005-06It's obvious why Utah so desperately wants to run away
from BYUJust as you've done with Utah St and Weber St...the little baby brother Utes desperately want to claim
"superiority"without having to prove it on the court--------What are you talking about? We have proved it on the
court in the postseason.Bottom line, no program in the state matches
Utah's accomplishments this century:NCAA: 7-8 47% (2 Sweet
16)Top 25: 4NBA Draft: 4This isn't good, by our own
standards we have been medicore at best. Which is why Krystkowiak must make the
NCAA next season.All BYU, Utah State, and Weber State get is
participation trophies: 4-24 (14%)
@ talkinsports,I've loved following the Red Rocks since the
beginning. Red Rock fans are very knowledgable sir. I've followed BYu
men's volleyball very closely since 1984. I never cheer for the BYu, but
the Y offers great volleyball entertainment and they are consummate gentlemen,
never talk smack, don't need to because theY are the real deal. I also know
quite a bit about both Y-U revenue sports as well.Cheers!
Utah-Hawaii Alum - @ talking sports,"Utah Red Rocks
vs BYU gymnastics overall record = 99-2, 39 straight wins.........one loss =
Utah forfeited due to the Y coach making nasty comments and Greg Marsden
cancelled the meet. 2nd loss = all of Utah's travel team got food poisoning
and Utah suited up 5 freshmen. That is some "rivalry,"
ain't it?"gotcha!The fact that you are able to
cite those facts in such detail is proof positive that even the BYU
Cougars and the Utah Red Rocks are a rivalry, lopsided, to be sure, but still a
rivalry.How many other teams could you talk about in such detail?
Utah-Hawaii AlumI can appreciate the pain you experienced while
growing up, but there are literally thousands of your fellow Utah fans who are
also devout LDS.Why single out only BYU fans, especially if you grew
up in an area that was predominantly Utah fans?As Buster Kilrain
(fictional character, with real world advice) said:"Any man who
judges by the group is a pea-wit. You take men one at a time."You can find the exact same "ilk" as you describe them, in every fan
base and in every religious group in the world.So why are you
blaming only BYU LDS for your pain?
BYU and Utah are such rivals that the Utes count a spring scrimmage against
Brigham Young Academy as a real game to pad their rivalry record.Seriously, who else but Utah would count a spring scrimmage as a real game?
Getting back to the topic...when is UTAH going to MAN up and start
playing home-and-home games with all of their in-state rivals?If
Utah is able to make room in their schedule for teams like Miss Valley St, Grand
Canyon, Northern Arizona and Idaho St,surely, there's room to
add at least one home and one away game against an in-state rival every season.
@ talking sports,Utah Red Rocks vs BYU gymnastics overall record =
99-2, 39 straight wins.........one loss = Utah forfeited due to the Y coach
making nasty comments and Greg Marsden cancelled the meet. 2nd loss = all of
Utah's travel team got food poisoning and Utah suited up 5 freshmen. That is some "rivalry," ain't it? HAHA!
@ mussing around,I have no beef with you sir. You were honest with
me and apologized to me with total honor. I vehemently respect you for that.I'm not bothered with the fact that you dislike me. Most of
"you people" actually do "hate" me. It makes me giggle in
fact.I'm no "hall monitor" in any fashion. I never
leverage people's beliefs like y'all demand. That is personal. I grew
up in Utah my friend. I lived the social tyranny that still exists there as of
today. I was always told by the majority there......."If you don't like
it, leave!" Ain't that respectful and considerate of others? HAHAHA!
And in fact, when I made enough money, I did leave, decades ago indeed.All the best to U sir, truthfully.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"I mean really dude, the Y calls the mighty
"Red Rocks" a "rival?" That is absurd!"How many
times has BYU beaten U in women's gymnastics?
Utah-Hawaii Alum“Get this straight, sir. Utah was only EVER
"rivals" with BYU in men's basketball = "Holy War"
historically. Utah is BYU’s "rival" in all things...”Living in denial is your choice, but I can cite literally thousands of
articles, stories, quotes from fans on both sides of the rivalry, and blog posts
that BYU and Utah have been rivals in EVERYTHING, not just sports, since the
first athletic contest ended in an all-out brawl in the 1890’s.It wasn’t BYU fans who ranked Utah fans as the 2nd most rival obsessed
fans in the country.
Utah-Hawaii Alum“I call out bullies and will not tolerate the
feebly intolerant, does not make me a "hater" like you and your ilk
accuse me of.”For intolerant bully who will not tolerate
anyone who disagrees with your point of view...see mirror.Who made you hall monitor to decide which beliefs, opinions, or points of view
will be tolerated and which will not be tolerated in the public forum?That’s what free speech is all about sir.
@ Swoop,Did Jakob Poeltl-led Utah lose to BYu pards? NOPE! Gonzaga
basketball means nothing to us...... but, they are your WCC "daddy" like
Utah football is today. Cheer up Cosmo!
@ Skywalker,Get this straight, sir. Utah was only EVER
"rivals" with BYu in men's basketball = "Holy War"
historically. Utah is BYu's "rival" in all things.......who
cares.....we don't care one iota.I mean really dude, the Y
calls the mighty "Red Rocks" a "rival?" That is absurd!
@ skywalker,"Hate" is a powerful, all-inclusive state of
being.......and I don't actually "hate" but a few select souls on
this planet, none of whom are LDS in fact. Now, do I understand the LDS and
avoid them most all the time.......yes, I do. I'm free to live how I
"choose," thank you. I live in adult reality pal and I despise childish
bullies and folks who are fundamentally intolerant. Just because I call out
bullies and will not tolerate the feebly intolerant, does not make me a
"hater" like you and your ilk accuse me of.I wish U the
Ut-Haw“Can we U-Y fans just talk about the invincible
"Lone Peak Three" for a while...”It would be much more
entertaining to include talk about the awesome Poeltl era meltdown.Lone Peak Three > @ #1 GonzagaBig Dance Gonzaga >
Poeltl(in fact, it was a curb stomping)
Utah-Hawaii Alum@ skywalker,“Very few folks that
I've ever met actually "hate" BYU or their owners. I certainly
don't, never have or will in fact.”I’m sure
that’s true for most folks you’ve met, but I don’t believe
that for a second about you.You spend more time hating on BYU (and
“BYU’s owner” - code for LDS hatred), than you spend actually
talking about sports.There’s absolutely no reason why
century-old rivals BYU and Utah shouldn’t continue to compete against each
other in every possible sport.BYU is typically better across the
board than the vast majority of Utah’s other OOC opponents.
Can we U-Y fans just talk about the invincible "Lone Peak Three" for a
while.......we all need a break from reality every so often and should have a
few laughs together once in a while. We deserve it "brothers."
@ arrogant chickens,No worries for PAC-12 Utah my friend. We Utes
are lovin' it BIG TIME!!!! Y fans really need to worry, as U do. These
latter-days have taken their toll on BYu-Provo D1 athletics........the hammer
will drop soon my brother.......be prepared and spiritual. Good luck kind sir!
@ skywalker,Very few folks that I've ever met actually
"hate" BYu or their owners. I certainly don't, never have or will
in fact. However, most folks avoid them at all cost.And, that claim
is real in your eyes too......has to be....... you've witnessed that
perpetual fact almost every darn day....... be honest, sir?I wish
"you people" all the luck in the world and U take care sky yakker.
ut-hawaii alum"BYU and its fans need Utah-SLC to schedule their
teams for revenue primarily"LOLUtah-SLC fans
don't even show up to their own games played in the Huntsman.The farcical manner in which attendance is recorded is proof of that.For the Colorado at Utah-SLC game,Capacity is listed at 8,000Attendance is listed at 10,372 (100%)Why?Because
Utah-SLC drapes the entire upper concourse to make the Huntsman seem less empty,
while pretending that all of those fans who show up disguised as empty red
chairs are real attendees.For MVSU, Capacity is listed at
8,000Attendance is listed at 10,804 (100%)For FAMU,Capacity is listed at 8,000Attendance is listed at 10,887 (100%)Seriously, more Utah-SLC fans attended the MVSU and FAMU games, than
attended the Colorado game?Of course, if you look at the crowd
pictures of just about every game, you can clearly see entire sections of mostly
empty seats below concourse.Actual attendance is more like 6,000 to
7,000 fans for most games.
ut-HAW"Sir, my claims are very relevant indeed. Regardless if
you will accept/facts that are on BYU's horizon is your business, and REAL
concerns for all BYU sports fans.The hammer is gonna drop
someday.......you and I do NOT know when, but it will for sure, sir."Your claims, fake sir, are nothing but BYU-hating propaganda cooked up
BY u and your u-slc buddies in your parents' basement.
utemythology"Again, BYU has 4 NCAA wins since 1993."yawn, LOL at your spinBYU has 8 NCAA appearances and 4 NCAA
wins since 2005-06Utah has 3 NCAA appearances and 3 NCAA wins since
2005-06BYU has 5 NIT appearances and 6 NIT wins since 2005-06Utah has 3 NIT appearances and 4 NIT wins since 2005-06BYU has 13
post season appearances and 10 post season wins since 2005-06Utah has 6
post season appearances and 7 post season wins since 2005-06BYU has
dominated U head-to-head 14-6, most by double digits, since 2005-06BYU has
destroyed U 85-62, 71-51 and 104-79 since 2005-06Utah hasn't beaten
BYU by 20+ points THIS CENTURY!Bottom lineBYU has owned
Utah in basketball since 2005-06It's obvious why Utah so
desperately wants to run away from BYUJust as you've done with
Utah St and Weber St...the little baby brother Utes desperately want
to claim "superiority"without having to prove it on the
BYu-Provo and its fans need Utah to schedule their teams for revenue primarily
and to extend those folks some realistic sense of "hope." Even the
casual football fan that may view a late-night November BYu football game on the
ESPN-Ocho channel, can "see" that the stadium has 20k/less fans in the
stadium. Yet, BYu claims stats that are not real or possible........?Utah needs BYu-Provo NOT, ever again!Goooooo Utes!
Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, UtahMay 29, 2019 8:54 a.m.utemythology “How about this century?”Majerus is long gone;
the program that he built had been dead for over a decade.BYU has
owned U since then, 14 of the last 20, most by double digits, including three
20-point blowouts.------You keep measuring yourself to
beating Utah. Again, BYU has 4 NCAA wins since 1993.SAD!
@ SNAcon,Sir, my claims are very relevant indeed. Regardless if you
will accept/facts that are on BYu's horizon is your business, and REAL
concerns for all BYu-Provo sports fans.The hammer is gonna drop
someday.......you and I do NOT know when, but it will for sure, sir.
Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00May 29, 2019 8:47 a.m.@ ND95CA,“The ONLY TWO factors that you should worry about as of
today....”Nice try, but, as expected, totally irrelevant to
utemythology “How about this century?”Majerus is long gone; the program that he built had been dead for over a
decade.BYU has owned U since then, 14 of the last 20, most by double
digits, including three 20-point blowouts.
ND95CA - Lincoln Park, ILMay 29, 2019 7:54 a.m.utemythology"NCAA wins this century:* Utah: 7-8 (47%)"Yawn...NCAA tournaments last 14 seasonsBYU 8 >
Utah 3NIT tournaments last 14 seasons...Don't even
bother with number of wins; the ONLY decent team Utah has beaten since 2005 is
Georgetown in 2015.In 2016, Utah beat #14 seed Fresno St, before
getting destroyed by Gonzaga.------Don't bother
with number of postseason wins?SMHNews flash, beating
#14 Seed is much better than beating Weber State, Utah State, UVU, and BYU on
the road. Plus Utah was a Top 25 team both years.Take your time, ask
one of your Coug friends to explain it to you if you're still confused.
@ ND95CA,The ONLY TWO factors that you should worry about as of
today..........1) The LDS 1st Presidency, who owns BYu, looks at the
facts ONLY = BYu-Provo NCAA D1 sports is a money drain, a product that
doesn't sell and there isn't ANY remote possibility whatsoever that a
P5 conference will EVER consider BYu-Provo. They, at some point, probably sooner
than later, will refocus ALL BYu schools to learning institutions only. And, if
U don't think they won't make such a bold cut, think again my friend.
They have done so in Idaho and Hawaii.2) Utah and BYu have grown
apart since Utah was invited to create the PAC-12. To almost everyone Utah, the
Y is no longer interesting, meaningless competition for no benefit, but
definitely, and ALWAYS a terminal problem. We are sick of it wholeheartedly,
sir. Move on and all the best to y'all.Try to smile man! Take
ND95CA - Lincoln Park, ILMay 29, 2019 7:54 a.m.utemythology"NCAA wins this century:* Utah: 7-8 (47%)"Yawn...NCAA tournaments last 14 seasonsNCAA tournaments last
14 seasonsBYU 8 > Utah 3NIT tournaments last 14
seasonsBYU 5 > Utah 3Total post-season tournaments
last 14 seasonsBYU 13 > Utah 6-----14?
How about this century? You can't how that high?BYU has 3 MORE
tournament berths.Where do you want your participation trophy?
ND95CA"It's not that beating Utah St wouldn't be a
quality win for Utah, the simple truth is the Utes are too scared of getting
their feelings hurt by losing to the Aggies in Logan."So
true!Utah-Hawaii Alum talks big about wanting to play other in-state
teams, but the truth is, he's all talk, but no walk, when it comes to
playing in Logan or in Ogden.Watch him try to switch the topic away
from basketball, because he knows that BYU has owned Utah in basketball since
the last remnants of the Majerus era left Utah.
utemythology"NCAA wins this century:* Utah: 7-8
(47%)"Yawn...NCAA tournaments last 14 seasonsBYU 8 > Utah 3NIT tournaments last 14 seasonsBYU 5 > Utah 3Total post-season tournaments last 14 seasonsBYU 13 > Utah 6Don't even bother with number of
wins; the ONLY decent team Utah has beaten since 2005 is Georgetown in 2015.In 2016, Utah beat #14 seed Fresno St, before getting destroyed by
Utah-Hawaii Alum - "I enjoy the flailing comments by Y fans and
their unfounded, failed hype campaigns..."I laugh at your
frantic attempts to divert attention from the actual topic of discussion, the
arrogance and absolute cowardice of the little baby brothers on the molehill
displayed by their refusal to schedule home and away games with Utah St and
Weber St.Since when is the 4th best team in the state "too
good" to play in Logan or in Ogden?Of course, the real reason is
Utah's pitiful 7 wins in 29 road games vs in-state teams during the last 20
years.It's not that beating Utah St wouldn't be a quality
win for Utah, the simple truth is the Utes are too scared of getting their
feelings hurt by losing to the Aggies in Logan.#38 USU#86
BYU#104 UVU#109 UtahSafety first.
I enjoy the flailing comments by Y fans and their unfounded, failed hype
campaigns.............Long live............ "Quest for
Perfection" "Jimmermania" "Heaps for Heisman" "The Lone
Peak Three"Oh my gosh? HAHA!
With all of this talk about how bad Utah’s program is and baby brother
this and that, I just have to ask, why are you so desperate to play Utah? Do
you know why Utah doesn’t schedule lots of in-state games? It’s
because they don’t have to. A team that plays at Arizona, Oregon, and
UCLA annually, and scheduled Duke of all teams a few years ago is not
“scared” to play the un-national powerhouses next door. They just
don’t need the games and are ignoring you. Please continue to jump and
shout and wave your arms. We see you, but just aren’t interested enough
to cross the street to make your season.
BleedCougarBlue - Enid, OKMay 28, 2019 7:26 p.m.Article quote:
"Over the past eight years since Larry Krystkowiak took over as Ute coach,
the Utes have played a grand total of 12 in-state games. Seven have come against
BYU, two against Utah State and one each against Weber State, Utah Valley and
Southern Utah."And why is that? It's obvious: the Utes are
afraid of losing.Period.So, please, Utah fans, tell us
again just how massive and powerful your team is.....-----Okay, I will.NCAA wins this century:* Utah: 7-8
(47%)* BYU, Utah State, Weber State, UVU, Southern Utah: 4-24
With only 7 road wins versus BYU, Utah St, and Weber St in the last 20 years,
it’s understandable why the baby brother Utes are too scared to play any
in-state teams lest they get their feelings hurt by losing.It’s not that Utah is too good for other in-state teams, the truth is,
the Utes aren’t good enough to beat them, especially on the road.
Article quote: "Over the past eight years since Larry Krystkowiak took over
as Ute coach, the Utes have played a grand total of 12 in-state games. Seven
have come against BYU, two against Utah State and one each against Weber State,
Utah Valley and Southern Utah."And why is that? It's
obvious: the Utes are afraid of losing.Period.So,
please, Utah fans, tell us again just how massive and powerful your team is.....
"And let's not forget, the baby brothers have never played in Orem or
in Cedar City."Baby brothers! I love it! I'm so going to
use that! It's a great description of who they are when it comes to
scheduling. There is just no better nickname, period!
eCute“No one would complain if any of the other in-state
programs decided not to schedule their brothers...in any sport.”Sure they would, especially if fans of that program continued to spout off
about their laughable “superiority”.The Utes are quickly
losing whatever respect they once enjoyed in Utah.
cougsnDawgs,No. We're Big Brother. No one would complain if any of
the other in-state programs decided not to schedule their brothers...in any
UteanymousSo the state's baby brothers on the molehill have won
7 of 29 road games (less than 25%) versus BYU, Utah St and Weber St in the last
20 years.No wonder they're so scared of getting their feelings
hurt while playing their in-state rivals in Provo, Ogden or Logan.Safety first.------And let's not forget, the baby
brothers have never played in Orem or in Cedar City.
utemythology"Says fan of a team whose team plays at 8:45 pm
starts in mid November on ESPN OCHO"Totally made up; how frantic
and emotional of U,especially coming from a fan of a team who's
last November home games in 2017 and 2018 kicked off at 8 pm on FS1.
Utah's dubious in-state road record@ BYU- last road game
12/16/2017 - lost 65-77- 3 of 14 on road since 1999-2000- last road
win 12/10/2014 - won 65-61@ Utah St- last road game 11/24/10 -
lost 62-79- 1 of 8 on road since 1996-1997- last road win 11/26/96 -
won 60-41@ Weber St- last road game 11/22/11 - lost 51-80- 4 of 7 on road since 1999-2000- last road win 11/28/07 - won 72-52
If the PAC 12 wasn't on the left coast to fill the late evening time slots,
they'd be relegated to FACEBOOK, because NONE of the major networks would
schedule the PAC 12 over the ACC, SEC, B1G, or Big 12.------Says fan of a team whose team plays at 8:45 pm starts in mid November on
ESPN Ocho.You think P12 would be on FACEBOOK first over BYU, MWC,
ut-HAW"Has anyone ever heard of BYUtv?"Lots of
fans nation- and world-wide, and unlike Utah sports on the PAC 12
network, BYUtv doesn't lose money televising BYU sports.
BlueCoug - re: How many basketball games has Utah won in Provo in
the last decade?- ONE (by four points)When was the last
time Utah won a basketball game in Logan, Ogden or Orem?- Over a
decade ago would be a solid guess.
@ Pac mange,I think the PAC 12 will be just fine and I'm
lov'n it, as all Utes are.Has anyone ever heard of
BYutv?......uh, not a chance!U take care now. Hear me?
Ute-HAW"Oh my goodness pal, you know nothing about the PAC12 as
a conference."Oh my goodness pal, how much more naive could you
possibility be about television contracts. Do you honestly think
ESPN, FOX,r CBS, etc. is going to give a rip about the PAC 12's
"research" when it comes to new contract negotiations?The
PAC 12 has absolutely no business acumen if that's what their front office
is using to sell their sports product.If the PAC 12 wasn't on
the left coast to fill the late evening time slots, they'd be relegated to
FACEBOOK, because NONE of the major networks would schedule the PAC 12 over the
ACC, SEC, B1G, or Big 12.
@ PAC woman,Oh my goodness pal, you know nothing about the PAC12 as
a conference. Please do some "research," pun intended.You
should be worried about BYu's owners pulling the plug on cash-draining BYu
D1 sports. It's costing them a boat-load of stew.......without any
doubt.Try to smile once in a while! :p
Utah-Hawaii Alum - @ Lone Star: I'm quite sure the PAC12 is
very happy with AAU Colorado and the nearly $1 billion/year Utah rakes in in
research grants.NONE of that adds a dime to the bottom line of PAC
12 revenue.The PAC 12 Network is losing money and PAC 12 games are
the least marketable games of any P5 conference.It's time for
the PAC 12 to admit that Scott's gamble isn't paying off and trim the
@ Lone Star,I'm quite sure the PAC12 is very happy with AAU
Colorado and the nearly $1 billion/year Utah rakes in in research grants.If UVU balks at buying antiquated LES, maybe Dinosaur National Perk in
Vernal may be interested in purchasing it for an archeological "dig" in
a few years? Who knows?Keep your fingers crossed my friend.
Utah-Hawaii AlumWhat happens when the PAC 10 realizes that Larry
Scott saddled the conference with a couple of revenue-draining losers and
decides to send Utah back to the WAC?
@ Lone star,Don't worry about Utah basketball fine sir. You
should be more concerned about "The Jimmer." He needs a hug before he
heads back to Shanghai.
Hey Y fans, just think what will happen when UVU buys LES.........y'all
will have to suit-up the Cougarettes to play a road game at Dixie State. Enjoy!
Utah-Hawaii AlumThe subject is “Time for Utes to start playing
in-state schools on a regular basis”,so why are U frantically
and emotionally trying to divert attention to another sport.Quite
obviously you’re too embarrassed to even discuss the sorry state of your
rundown Utes and their laughable claim to state supremacy.
@ Northern lights,I simply look forward to watching the dazed Y fans
leaving LES this August after Utah football pounds on the Y yet again and earns
the "W."And yes, BYu is the 4th best football team in the
state......just behind Bingham HS.
"The 4th best team in the state has become an arrogant coward, too afraid to
play in Logan or in Ogden."And after get dominated and
annihilated on neutral ground in their own backyard they'll have to find a
way to never have that happen again. They'd rather lose to Grand Canyon at
home than have that happen again.
How many basketball games has Utah won in Provo in the last decade?When was the last time Utah won a basketball game in Logan, Ogden or Orem?Until the Utes start proving it on the hardwoods, all of their talk
about state supremacy is nothing but a bunch of bloviating hot air.Attendance at the Huntsman has gotten so bad that the Utes have resorted to
draping the entire upper concourse so that the arena doesn’t look so
Utah-Hawaii AlumWhat have U ever offered to any conversation on this
blog?Respect is earned, and neither U nor your school have done
anything to earn it.The 4th best team in the state has become an
arrogant coward, too afraid to play in Logan or in Ogden.
@ Deducted person,First of all, I'm no "newbie," which
you blindly assumed, to your chagrin of course.Secondly, I was
speaking to "blue n gold," who always mentions "Oregon State"
when criticizing the PAC-12.Thirdly, what are you actually offering
to this conversation as it relates to me? I certainly don't see any merit
to your contribution whatsoever.U be happy!
City boy: "There is an old adage that has application in Utah’s
situation: “It is better that everyone think you a fool than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt.”There's another old adage,
"take your own advice."
ekute:"The Runnin" Utes have little to brag about as of recent yet
the local media chooses to troll us out of season as the other local programs
covet a connection to our brand..."Local media troll U because
they see the same problem in your (and coach Kry's) self-proclaimed status
of "big brother": "little brother" is kicking your caboose. U
aren't as big as U think U are...and people that have unwarranted arrogance
and delusions of grandeur are easy to troll.That's why U have
so many trolls, not because people want a connection to your "brand"
lol. That was cUte though.
It's hilarious how the 4th best team in the state demands recognition
simply for wearing a PAC 12 patch.
I often wonder if BYu's owners will ever try to purchase the University of
Utah so they can experience glory again?
Utah can play or not play whoever they want...get over it! They have nothing to
gain by playing local schools...BYU, USU, Weber, and SUU treat it like one of
their biggest games of the year. Utah needs to focus on building their program
and I don't think playing local schools is a critical component to that
game plan. I have nothing against them playing local schools, but I would love
to see Utah add some Home and Homes with other P5 conferences...that will help
build the program.
u-h alum"Do you know what Utah, Vandy and Oregon State all have
in common, sir? They have ALL won official NCAA national team titles in the last
three years."What are you talking about newbie? Nobody even
mentioned Oregon St.
The Utes are becoming the laughing stock of the state, boasting of their
"supremacy", even though they're so afraid of getting their
feelings hurt that they refuse to play their in-state rivals, especially on the
Utah (Larry K) doesn't want to play the local teams, because it
doesn't want to get beat by the local teams. Kinda hard to justify a
multi-million contract when you're getting beat by teams perceived to be
weaker than you.
@ blue n gold,U always, routinely, blindly throw shade at Utah,
Vandy and Oregon State about "accomplishments," while defending a
NOTHING parochial school in Provo, Utah that is NOT spoken about EVER in the
21st century = fact.Do you know what Utah, Vandy and Oregon State
all have in common, sir? They have ALL won official NCAA national team titles in
the last three years. Now, does BYu, or its fans, have something say that anyone
will acknowledge? NOPE!
Cougsndawgs,Yes. You proved my point. The Runnin" Utes have little to
brag about as of recent yet the local media chooses to troll us out of season as
the other local programs covet a connection to our brand...in all sports...lol.
Utah-HI Mike:"Nobody despises the U of Utah in the "real
world," but "America's team" every week during the college
football season is BYu's opponent. It is "true."How are
you dear brother? I think for your above statement, "America" would have
to care about BYU, and they simply do not...of course, they don't care
enough about Utah to cheer for or against them either. I think you and I know
full well that the only fans who really care about the Utes and Cougs, are
obsessed Ute and Coug fans. Truth, my man! Have a good one.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Nobody despises the U of Utah in the "real
world,..."The truth is, nobody cares about U.Utah is
the Indiana / Vanderbilt of the PAC 12.A team that adds nothing to
the PAC 12 but a bunch of hot air.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Thanks again for your copy-n-paste of the 20th
century "analog era" BYU football awards kind sir. However, you forgot
to post the Heismans, Doaks, Outlands, O'Briens, etc... How are things
going in the 21st century?It's hilarious how fans of a program
that has never accomplished anything of significance in the stone,
leather-helmet, analog or digital agemock BYU's
accomplishments.Utah's only accomplishment on the national
stage was upset win in an also ran bowl over a totally disinterested Alabama
team that couldn't have care less about Utah.
ekute:"The article and ensuing comments leave no question as to who is
looked at as the big brother...across the board...in all sports. Go
Utes!"Well, your "little brothers" BYU own U on the
hardwood (what this article is about, despite the usual digression into football
history). How embarrassing...any program claiming "big brother" status
that is getting owned in the 2nd highest revenue sport is just pathetic. Legends in Ur own mind. It's almost time to shine up those SOS
trophies again lol.
BYu fans can say whatever they care to about PAC-12 Utah. All they CAN DO is
"talk"........means nothing in fact.Nobody despises the U of
Utah in the "real world," but "America's team" every week
during the college football season is BYu's opponent. It is "true."
@ Lonestar runner,I feel your pain sir. We Utes are just
dandy.........and look to drop BYu before the Y's owners do. That fate is
imminent sir.....and you know it.Utah won two official NCAA natty
titles in the last three years. How is BYu doing?......not a factor at ALL!
u-h alum"Thanks again for your copy-n-paste of the 20th century
"analog era" BYU football awards..."That was simply a
rehash of the overwhelming list of accomplishments BYU achieved before Utah even
cracked the AP poll for the first time.In the 21st century,BYU had more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons from 2006 to 2009,than the
sorry Utes have had in their entire history.
@ skywalker,Thanks again for your copy-n-paste of the 20th century
"analog era" BYu football awards kind sir. However, you forgot to post
the Heismans, Doaks, Outlands, O'Briens, etc........? Keep on your game
dear soul!How are things going in the 21st century and this decade
in particular? Are you thrilled about the "latter-days" of BYu D1
sports.......? The end is near........
U-H Alum"The U of U is in the greatest all-around collegiate
conference in the world.......no close second at ALL!"Remind us
the last time Utah's men won a national championship.Utah's only "contributions" in terms of national championships
are in a coed sport which has so pathetically little competition that the
national championship meet is literally nothing more than a tri-meet between
Denver, Colorado and Utah.The Utes are the epitome of coat tail
riders, glomming onto the accomplishments of schools like Stanford, UCLA and USC
who do the bulk of the heavy lifting in winning championships in sports in which
there is real competition.
uteBusters - Park City, UTMay 28, 2019 8:48 a.m.Utah-Hawaii Alum“Please move on BYU. We are don't care one iota...”Says THE most BYU-obsessed fan on the planet.LOL!--------------Says THE "fan" who uses MULTIPLE screen
names to "Like" his own posts.
Striker - Omaha, NEMay 27, 2019 3:19 p.m.littleology,"BYU got pounded by #116 San Diego, lost to #208 Illinois State, #182
Weber State, #159 UNLV. "That makes Utah's loss to them
really bad doesn't it! You just put your foot in your mouth.------------------No it does not.Do you not understand
how rankings work?#89 BYU was a bad loss BUT losing to #208 was a
REALLY a bad loss.Have one of your Cougar buddies explain it to you.
@ cityboy,Utah seldom loses instate recruits to any other school in
Utah. The great players from Utah predominantly go to Utah, the PAC-12 and the
SEC. Some great recruits who play basketball, like Frank Jackson a few years
back, head to the ACC or SEC.Utah is talked about on the national
stage, unlike any other school in Utah these days.Bottom line sir
and a fact.......The U of U is in the greatest all-around collegiate conference
in the world.......no close second at ALL!
U-H alumBYU's best STILL CRUSHES Utah's bestBYU 1979-1984 vs Utah 2003-2008Year by Year#13/#11 BYU 11-1
vs #21/#21 Utah 10-2#12/#12 BYU 12-1 vs #4/#5 Utah 12-0#13/#11 BYU
11-2 vs unranked Utah 7-5unranked BYU 8-4 vs unranked Utah 8-5#7/#7
BYU 11-1 vs unranked Utah 9-4#1/#1 BYU 13-0 vs #2/#4 Utah 13-0OverallBYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16Top 12 FinishesBYU 5
> Utah 2Consensus National ChampionshipsBYU 1 > Utah
0Weeks Ranked #1 in APBYU 4 > Utah 0Weeks
Ranked in APBYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 = 58Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 =
35—-BYU is a member of the club - Consensus
National Champions and Heisman Trophy winnersUtah is still nothing
more than an obscure poll wannabe.
Utah-Hawaii Alum“Please move on BYU! We are don't care
one iota!”Who appointed U hall monitor?The state
of Utah is doing just fine without U.
So many comments from people who could care less about UTAH! Thank you for
taking the time to let everyone know that you could care less about UTAH. Rent
free! Go Utes!
In mathematics there is a concept of reducing fractions to the lowest common
denominator. That is exactly what Mr. Sorensen is proposing with requiring Utah
to play all the other Utah schools. Rather than recognizing the
importance of Utah being in the PAC-12 and the state reaping the benefits, this
proposal would attempt to put all the schools in the same basket. Think of the
results if all the universities in the state were in comparable mid-level
conferences (oh, yes, and an independent) rather than having one in a top 5
"power" conference. Finding the lowest common denominator may
have some merit in mathematics but absolutely none in competitive athletics.
For those in agreement with Mr. Sorensen, give it a rest!
@ Ute Busters,How is that "LEGACY" cougie football team
faring vs Utah these days my friend? Do ya thunk ya have even a chance against
the loaded Utes @ LES in August? BWAHAHA!"Welcome back to the
"leather helmet" era again BYu".......signed, Utah football.
There is an old adage that has application in Utah’s situation: “It
is better that everyone think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all
doubt.”Utah fans tout the vast superiority that they believe
is inherent (and the respect that they believe is due) from simply being in the
PAC-12. The illusion of this superiority would vanish if they were to play and
lose to other in-state schools.The ramifications would be bad. Utah
would lose in-state recruits. Fans would further question the value of retaining
Krysko (already the 11th highest paid NCAA basketball coach) when he can’t
even win in-state games.The in-state scheduling thing for Utah comes
down to two things: 1) risk/reward; and 2) the need to perpetuate and not
destroy the illusion of Utah superiority.
Utah-Hawaii Alum“Please move on BYU. We are don't care
one iota...”Says THE most BYU-obsessed fan on the planet.LOL!
Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00May 28, 2019 6:02 a.m.“I totally
agree with "Who am I sir." The U of Utah is in the big time folks and
one of only a handful of positive qualities/attributes about the state of Utah
in the eyes of our nation/world. The others being............Utah Jazz,
skiing/outdoor recreations, national/state parks and the Sundance Film Festival.
All citizens of Utah should support the positive future of the PAC-12 U of
U.”bwahaha 🤣The mind-numbingly, big headed
Utes are only the 4th best team in the state and have been owned by BYU for over
a decade, losing 13 of the last 17 to the Cougars, most by double digits,
including the last 2.U couldn’t even make it past the 1st
round of the pathetically weak PAC 12, which lost 10 of 17 to the WCC in
I think all Utes should contact Utah AD Mark Harlan and demand that he curtails
football games scheduled vs BYu in 2023-24. There is NO buy-out clause for Utah
in that contract. We desperately need to improve our OOC football schedule. DROP
BYu NOW!Gooooooo Utes!
Please move on BYu! We are don't care one iota!
A lot of words in this opinion article. And yet none of them articulated a
REASON the Utes should play more in state games.
Couldn't care less about the utes in any sport. On a national level no one
else cares either.
The article and ensuing comments leave no question as to who is looked at as the
big brother...across the board...in all sports. Go Utes!
I totally agree with "Who am I sir." The U of Utah is in the big time
folks and one of only a handful of positive qualities/attributes about the state
of Utah in the eyes of our nation/world. The others being............Utah Jazz,
skiing/outdoor recreations, national/state parks and the Sundance Film Festival.
All citizens of Utah should support the positive future of the PAC-12 U of U.It is a great feeling being a Utah grad these days indeed! Gooooooooo
Not only do I see no need I strongly see it as a huge step backwards. We spent a
lot of time and energy seeking to gain wider respect in the collegiate athletic
world and just as we're on the verge of achieving that, why on Earth would
we want to revert to parochialism ??
This Ute fan would welcome basketball games against USU, Weber, UVU and SUU. If
Utah is going to play a non-D1 school, it should schedule Dixie and Westminster.
I could care less if Utah plays BYU, although I understand Utah's
legislature will punish Utah if it does not play BYU on an annual basis.
Utah's OOC schedule the past few years has done nothing to encourage
attendance and attendance and atmosphere at most OOC games are pathetic.
Utah's first priority is the PAC 12, but unlike football, where there are
only 3 OOC games, basketball has about 10. Certainly there is room on the
schedule every year for a couple of in-State games. Maybe if the Utes schedule
the in-State games they can do away with the games at the Vivint Smart Home
Arena and return them to campuses where they belong. Rotate USU and BYU home
and away every year. Have one of either Weber, UVU or SUU on the schedule
every year. My guess is that interest will increase. I mean, who is really
interested in games against College of Idaho, Mississippi Valley State, Maine,
Tulsa, Florida A&M and NAU. Replace College of Idaho w/ Westminster or
Dixie, NAU with UVU, Weber or SUU and Maine or Tulsa with USU.
Utah Chickens. I have degrees from both BYU and Utah. They should play every
year on an equal footing.Quite frankly, USU has risen up as of late,
and deserves the same.For the other teams, make them come to Logan,
SLC, or Provo for a payday game. Maybe give Weber State a 3 for 1 deal.
I do find it interesting that the fans of one school, who are always claiming
Coack K should fight his own battles, are the first ones to run to big daddy
(the state legislature) when he wants to quit playing them and cry about how
mean is is to them. It seems that the one team with a buring desire to play
Utah on a yearly basis has chosen to set themselves up for failure by going it
alone through arrogance and overconfidence, and now wants someone to bail them
out. One has to wonder why the Utah government chose to pressure a government
sponsored school to play a religious school, instead of another government
sponsored school in the same state.
The state of Utah would be better represented if in-state schools weren't
beating up on each other.The state of Texas has become civilized
since Texas and Texas A&M don't play each other.
"Time for Utes to start playing in-state schools on a regular basis"No, Mr. Sorensen, it's time the state of Utah , the Utah media, the
politicians, and the general population realize that the University of Utah is a
member of the PAC-12! A conference is that is one of two that standout both as
an athletic conference and academically, a conference of the world's top
universities.The state should be united in doing all it can to
promote this alliance and to reap the benefits.On this particular
subject the conference is increasing the number of in-conference games and
setting much higher requirements to promote a higher standard for conference
members to increase the quality of opponents. Your position on Utah playing all
instate teams is in direct conflict with the conference position. If you want
all teams to play each other every year and Utah to play the winner of that
competition - that is something to consider. Otherwise, Utah must do all
possible to excel and enhance to reputation of the PAC-12 conference.
Pugman - Tremonton, UT "@soonerute As far as football is concerned the U and
UCLA led the Pac last year in targeting calls"Hate to use the well
worn Cougar excuse for "bad call", but the NCAA is changing the
targeting rule for 2019. That should clean things up.
The Runnin' Utes should do what is best for their program. So should both
of our little blue brothers in Provo and Logan as well as the Thunderbirds and
Wildcats. PERIOD! Writers like Mike Sorensen are welcome to their opinion, but
he wants those games because they become easy for him and others to write about.
There's always some "catch" about second cousins playing for
players having sisters-in-law. Plans like this are never about
getting as many Utah teams as possible to the Big Dance, yet that is exactly
what AD's and coaches are about. Leave the scheduling to the
professionals. Yes, there's a Big 5 in Philly, where Nova, St.
Joe's, Temple, LaSalle and Penn all play each other, but all those schools
are in the same city, not spread out by hundreds of miles as in Utah. Ignore the ignorant comments about who is "afraid" and who is the 5th
best team, or the 4th best team or any such nonsense. Every year things change,
players graduate, transfer, go on missions or are redshirted. Last year is
meaningless, and the coming year is unknown until it happens.
There’s no reason why the 4th best team in the state shouldn’t be
playing USU, BYU, WSU home and home yearly; and UVU occasionally.The
Utes are simply too scared of getting their feelings hurt to play in Logan,
Ogden, Orem and Provo.Safety first!
Sorensen says: "Not only would those games bring in more fans from those
schools, it would heighten interest among the Ute faithful to be playing an
in-state opponent featuring Utah kids."Therein lies the rub.
Just because Sorensen, and others, say that the Ute faithful want to see these
games, many of us don't miss them.It's frustrating being
told that I am supposed to want to see these games...
They won't do it because it would put more games in the loss column.
littleology,"BYU got pounded by #116 San Diego, lost to #208
Illinois State, #182 Weber State, #159 UNLV. "That makes
Utah's loss to them really bad doesn't it! You just put your foot in
USU finished last year ranked higher than Utah in both Football and Basketball.
Maybe it's USU that don't have anything to gain by playing Utah. Even
if Utah acts like just being in the mighty PAC 11+u makes them a better team.
BlueMoonOden - Hinckley, ILMay 27, 2019 12:01 p.m.THEREALND -
Mishawaka, INThat's funny. BYU, the alleged number one team in the
State of Utah lost to the 5th best team in the State of Indiana.And
Utah lost by 22 to Northwestern who finished in the Big Ten cellar.-----Northwestern is ranked #88.BYU got pounded by
#116 San Diego, lost to #208 Illinois State, #182 Weber State, #159 UNLV. Utah's worse losses were to #192 Hawaii and #92 Arizona and #89
Utah should do what is in it's best interests.In football, we
should never schedule 2 in State games. We should rotate playing BYU/Utah State
and add an annual P5 OOC game.In basketball, the OCC is improving,
we just need to add a rotating game with Utah State/Weber State/Souther Utah.
Why is it always BYU fans crying about scheduling games with Utah?I
don't see hardly anything from USU, WSU & SUU fans.Move
along. We have something else to play for now. There are plenty of schools who
might sign a 5 for 1 deal with BYU. The only clout you have is riding the
coattails of Gonzaga.
Utah is in the pac 12 and should compete with Schools of that caliper.
Because Larry K is scared. He just wants easy money and he’s getting it.
Overpaid and underperforming.
THEREALND - Mishawaka, INThat's funny. BYU, the alleged number one
team in the State of Utah lost to the 5th best team in the State of Indiana.And Utah lost by 22 to Northwestern who finished in the Big Ten cellar.
"pacmidmajor - Springville, UTMay 27, 2019 10:36 a.m.The 5th
best Basketball team in the state of Utah is not going to start playing any more
teams from the State just to take on more losses .... not going to happen
...."That's funny. BYU, the alleged number one team in
the State of Utah lost to the 5th best team in the State of Indiana.
No Navel, you are wrong about the cancelation. He admitted it was about the
intensity and HIS own inability to stay in control. Stop with the "BYU
dirty play" already. Players get heated and do stupid things. It's a
good thing that the Utes are in the PAC 12, if you have watched any other P 5
conference and especially the BIG 10, you'd realize that stuff happens all
the time, but no coaches are cancelling games because of it.
At Water Rocket Get your facts straight, Utah is 2-3 versus Gonzaga
all time. When you pop off and say that Utah has never beat Gonzaga without
doing any research your credibility goes right down the drain. Good grief
Yeah, should Utah football and Red Rocks gymnastics be mandated by politics to
sell out the only two sports that can do that in those respective athletic
events at BYU? Is the whY competitive vs Utah......oh my.....NO! Heck, Utah is
the ONLY team that can sell-out LES. And, Y gymnastics has to compete vs Utah in
the BYu Marionette Center when the traveling sea of crimson always sells out
that venue. Otherwise, Y gymnastics meets NEVER sell out any other meet at the
tiny JS Field House.Boo Bye BYu! Goooooo Utes!
I'm fine with Utah playing Utah State home and home in BB and an occasional
home game against the others if prevents another biased audit.
Uh alum... 15 out of the last 18 soon to be 16 out of the last 19 ... I agree
you you my friend ... no need for the Cougs to play the u as they have nothing
to gain by another win but everything thing to lose if the u was actually able
to upset the Cougs ...
The 5th best Basketball team in the state of Utah is not going to start playing
any more teams from the State just to take on more losses .... not going to
@sooneruteAs far as football is concerned the U and UCLA led the Pac last
year in targeting calls, so I hope you forgive me when I laugh at your hypocrisy
when you stand on your soap box and preach clean play.
Utah should keep doing what's best for Utah, not what's best for
journalists or other schools.
“Each school should do what is best for them.”rfmac:Indeed! But at least one school, and its fans and media,
think that what’s best for them is for every other school to accomodate
I don't see any reason for Utah to play BYU in either basketball or
football. Sorry Mike, none of the Utah schools owe anything to each other.
Each school should do what is best for them.
I read all of these comments and most of them were very good, both for and
against in-state games. HOWEVER, the one thing I did not see in any of these
comments is the fact that the PAC12 mandates that ALL of the games their member
teams play MUST use PAC12 officiating. In football, this is the single reason
Texas used when they refused to play any PAC12 schools any more. I am not sure
how much of a difference it makes to play with officials you are familiar with,
or if officials tend to be biased in making (or not making) calls.I
also find it interesting that BYU beats Utah, that Gonzaga has never lost to
Utah, and that USU ans UVU have upped their games, and are more competitive.
It has been mentioned on this comment board that Utah has
"nothing to gain", which implies that they have something to lose if any
of the in-state teams beat them. But that is precisely we play the game,
isn't it? Besides, we "locals" deserve to see the teams we root
for play the teams we don't root for, just for the bragging rights for that
season.As for the "cheap shots" and bad sportsmanship, well
that goes both ways when you have competitive players. One coach doesn't
BYU and Utah should not play each other until the fans (and some players) can
enjoy competition without being vile, vulgar, dirty and uncivil towards one
another. Each team seems to be able to play other competitors, where the stakes
are higher (such as a conference championship), and be emotionally invested
without being downright ugly. But this cannot be said of the BYU/Utah game. I
think coach Krystkowiak was right in his effort to discontinue the series. There
are many of us who would like the game to return to a hard-fought contest
between high-character teams who show the best of sportsmanship. And then there
are the knuckle-draggers who just live in an angry world...
@ERB,No need to come back, it appears you are fitting in just fine
with the coogs. We wish you well. 👍
There is a big reason to play out of state schools each year. It is called
recruiting! Kids from within the state can watch Utah play all they want. By
traveling to Arizona, California and other states is show our brand of
basketball. We brought in Timmy Allen from Arizona didn’t we! Nobody
wants to talk about the obvious reason for playing out of states schools.
Sorensen needs to move on. Everyone needs to grow up and move on from this.
@cityslicker...The incentive is simply being able to avoid the sense of
entitlement displayed by the fans in provo. You are a prime example of that
little brother attitude 😉I really don't have any
objection to the Utes helping out Weber, UVU, USU or SUU from time to time, as
the fanbases from those schools area much more civil and realistic. Am I
Ok, I’ll say it. I hate Coach K. I grew up in Salt Lake, and we had season
tickets to the U every year. I went to the U my freshman year, and finished
college at BYU. My first year at BYU, I realized I was cheering for Utah, while
in the BYU student section.Coach K has ruined the whole rivalry. His
brashness and his lack of class have made me not watch Utah basketball the last
5 or so year for the first time in 52 years for me. Now, he can’t even
beat BYU, and makes excuses for why he’s better than BYU. This rivalry is
more than just you Coach. For probably hundreds of thousands of fans in both
sides it’s a huge deal. But Coach K has made it about Coach K. Once
he’s fired, I’ll be back as a Utah hoops fan. Til then, I’ll
have more free time on Saturday nights.
I'd like to see Utah completely drop "needy" BYu, rekindle our ONLY
instate football rivalry with Utah State 4 games/decade and play other
"state" schools ONLY once in a while. As far as other sports.....I want
to schedule instate "state" schools only and sparingly. We
Utes are in the big time, well-deserved in fact and should schedule to our
benefit most always, but support games vs state schools when we can.Gooooooo Utes!
@THEREALNDI like the idea - so BYu would get 2 W’s in the win
column for beating uTAH...maybe that helps push them over the top to qualify for
the dance. That coach who has feared playing these in state schools
makes more money than any of the other coaches- maybe he should start earning
Personally I am not convinced but Mr. Sorenson’s Comment that he has
spoken to other schools and they are willing to play only road games against
Utah. If so, why not add Weber State and UVU to the schedule.For Utah
State, it would be a good idea to start up the home and home series again.For BYU, it would be worth a shot to try this again now that Coach Rose is
gone and maybe Pope will discipline his players when they get out of line. Y
fans can whine all they want but year after year there were dangerous plays,
mostly BYU cheap shots, when the teams played and Rose downplayed the situation
and did nothing.
This position is understandable for Sorenson as a sportswriter in Utah and all
the non-Ute fans. It just flat does not make sense for the Utes to do this at
all, unless other teams in Utah are willing to just play at the Huntsman Center.
There is nothing at all to gain for the Utes, but only a downside. Go Red has
described it perfectly in his comment earlier. You don't like it folks, I
guess you'll need to go whine to your legislature representative like byu
Mike Sorensen "The new mandate from the conference shouldn’t be a
hindrance, as most of the in-state schools are usually ranked in the top
175."It is OK to name names. Which Utah schools do not meet the
5-year average in the top 175 requirement? "most" and "usually"
are tough to schedule around.ute alumni "Lawrence has made it
clear, he fears for his players’ safety."Just as Sheriff Sitake
cleaned up dirty play from his predecessor, we should see improvement with new
coach Pope holding players accountable for their actions.
Playing BYU this year, is a "2-for-1". You get credit for playing BYU
and UVU by playing just one game.
Since few of the Utah teams ever qualify for a postseason tournament, why not
have them have their own tournament in March.I’m sure ESPN
would pick it up in a flash.
“Last NCAA tournament win by school:Utah 2015BYU 2011*Utah State 2001Weber State 1999SUU - No wins in NCAA tournamentUVU - No NCAA tournament appearances*BYU also did beat a 14 seed
in the first four in 2012 if you want to count that.”It s/b
noted, in nearly 40 years usu has precisely 1 Tourney W to their credit.Oh, & since ‘82, byu-p has precisely 1 Sweet 16 appearance
& that’s it.Go Utes!
@AggiesHere is further proof why it does not help much to play in
state teams. The teams that have actually done something somewhat recently in
the tournament should get byes in the proposed in-state tournament.Last NCAA tournament win by school:Utah 2015BYU 2011*Utah
State 2001Weber State 1999SUU - No wins in NCAA tournamentUVU
- No NCAA tournament appearances*BYU also did beat a 14 seed in the
first four in 2012 if you want to count that.
I don't understand this infatuation with trying to make sure all the teams
in Utah play each other taken to the point that someone is actually keeping
score and counting how often it happens. I thought that the Beehive Classic
was the solution to this problem. It insures that there are in-state match-ups
every year. I am a little familiar with basketball in Indiana.
Ball State & Indiana State aren't complaining about not playing IU,
Purdue, Butler or Notre Dame every year. Of those teams, only Purdue and IU
play every year because they are both in the same conference. In
Michigan, the same holds true. Eastern, Western and Central Michigan
aren't playing Michigan or Michigan State every year. Illinois
isn't playing Southern Illinois, Illinois State, Nortern Illinois, Loyola
or DePaul every year. Maybe the Utah Legislature should get involved
if this is such a problem.
Outside of Utah no one cares about these rivalries. That’s true. And Outside of Utah no one cares about the Utes either. I think
it’s hilarious how the Utes think they are magically a national program
because they are in the PAC 12.BYU is still more known nationally
and BYU will always be big brother in this state. Regardless of
football win streaks or conference affiliation the Utes are still just the Utes.
This has been discussed.Weber State, UVU and USU want home and home.
As a PAC 12 school Utah does not need to travel. Utah would play any of these
teams in the Huntsman Center, but won’t travel to play them. Utah
doesn’t go play Delta State on a return trip. Utah makes more money to
bring in a team to beat and paying out then making a return trip. It’s all
@ KimmyP & UtahBlueDevil,And remind me what the incentive is for Utah
to play Northern Arizona, Grand Canyon and Hawaii was in lieu of the in-state
schools.Your arguments don’t hold water.The Utes
certainly keep runnin’.
It's not good for recruiting to lose to the in state teams. Utah's
basketball program is somewhat of a dumpster fire and it likely won't get
better until they get rid of coach K. They can't afford to buy out his
ridiculous contract so they are stuck.
kfbob:Everybody knows why Krystkowiak opted to cancel the ybU-p
game. And it wasn't due to fear of losing. It was due to the
cougars' "tradition" of poor sportsmanship, and Rose's
unwillingness to do anything about it.I wouldn't mind seeing
periodic Home-&-Home games vs. Utah St. The Aggies are a classy bunch, and
the Spectrum is a fantastic arena. As for the rest of the instate teams, I say
go ahead and play them every year they agree to play that game at the JHC. I
don't believe that it'll fill the arena more than any other
non-conference opponent, but hey, more Home games = more Basketball revenue.
Even when the JHC doesn't sell out.I have to agree with
Sorenson that there's no point in in playing teams like Mississippi Valley
St, Savannah St, and Florida A&M, so definitely bump those teams off our
schedules. If we want to play Miss St, Ole' Miss, S Miss, UGa, Ga Tech,
Fla, Miami, and Fla St, then by all means, do so! I'll applaud THAT
non-conference schedule.GO UTES!!!
There is little advantage in playing Utah teams - no one outside of Utah really
cares. It's not going to bring many new eyeballs to the games (and
dollars), And at the end of the day, thats what these programs are looking
for.... improved revenue for their sports programs. As much as I would love to
see an annual Utah versus USU game..... it doesn't make much financial
sense.I would love to see the instate teams play each other more,
particularly like the idea of an instate preseason tournament for all the teams
to warm up with. That might draw a bigger regional audience.
What is the incentive for Big Brother to play the little brothers in Utah?
What's in it for the Utes? If the other teams want to play in the Huntsman
Center each time, okay. But, bring along a sizable check when they show up.
@ RicoIf anyone deserves a bye it is Utah State! Why give a bye to the
3rd maybe 4th team in state? Go Aggies!
I agree that coach K needs to man up!Why the fear of playing in state
games! ? Go Aggies!
Just commit two 2 games per year.Make it a true tournament every year at
Jazz arena.First Round (rotates between these 4):UVU vs WSUUSU vs SUUUtah and BYU have byes in first round every year (if you
want them to play in tournament you will have to do this). Second
Round (rotates)Utah vs UVU/WSUBYU vs USU/SUUThird
RoundWinners of two second round games play head-to-head for 1st placeLosers of two second round games play head-to-head for 3rd placeThen every team in Utah has opportunity to play Utah. (if they didn't
win first round they have nothing to complain about).
But here’s the deal, Sorensen. Utah is in the unique situation where,
since they’ve joined a very high profile conference, there has been a
large amount of jealousy targeted their way from other local schools, especially
from Provo. As a result, Utah too often finds themselves in the no-win position
where if they win the game, other schools will say they were supposed to. They
even get razzed and made fun of for not winning by a larger amount. And when
they lose, there is no end to the razzing and derogatory remarks from the
opposing fan bases, saying they (Utah) doesn’t belong in the PAC-12,
etc.When a team schedules a game against an opposing school, there
has to be something to gain when they win. Even the opposing local schools and
fan bases would have to admit that there is very little, if anything, that Utah
has to gain from playing the local teams.
Don't see much sense in rivalries.Just causes bitterness!
Mike so true.It is time for Utah to play those close to you. If
that only leaves you 5 or 6 games then you have 3 road and 3 home against the
Power 6 conferences. The excuses like we are young and others needs to stop. Of
course it would always help if the turnover of players was not as great as it as
been the past 8 years. You go to Logan and play that will well
prepare you for Arizona, Oregon and Washington who Utah does not fair to well
against on the road.
Krysto doesn’t want to lose to instate teams, that is why he tried to
cancel the BYU series. I understand the sentiment getting beat by a WAC school
or a Big Sky school really sucks, but hey you’re making $3.5 million,
it’s time to man up.