Mike Sorensen: Time for Utes to start playing in-state schools on a regular basis

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  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 1, 2019 5:21 p.m.

    utemythology

    “Last 5 years, Utah ranked #25.
    Source: AP and Sagarin”

    yawn

    Last 83 years,
    BYU is a Top 35 team, ranked #34
    Utah is a Top 65 team, ranked #63

    Call us when you’ve finished in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, with back-to-back Top 7 finishes culminating in a...

    Consensus National Championship! 🏆

    Now that would be impressive.

    hmmm, BYU finished #12/#12 in 2009.

    What’s the highest Utah finished in their recent mini rankings spurt?

    BYU finished higher than that 3 of 4 seasons from 2006 to 2009.

    You’re doing sooo well lately...

    * light pat on head *

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 1, 2019 12:18 p.m.

    utemythology

    “Do you not understand how rankings work? Have a friend explain it to you.

    Last 5 years, Utah ranked #25.
    Source: AP and Sagarin”

    Utah wasn’t ranked in 2018, so you’re not currently a Top 25 team.

    Just like, beginning in 2011, Utah was a PAC 12 team, even though the Utes had been a MWC team the previous 4 seasons.

    Just like you no longer have a bowl winning, because U lost to NW in the Holiday Bowl.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 31, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    May 30, 2019 7:59 a.m.
    utemythology

    "Utah is now a Top 25 P5 program and BYU is a dumpster-fire."

    Nope!

    The mighty Utes were unranked in 2018 and barely beat a mediocre BYU team on their home turf.

    -----------

    Do you not understand how rankings work? Have a friend explain it to you.

    Last 5 years, Utah ranked #25.
    Source: AP and Sagarin

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 30, 2019 5:08 p.m.

    ut-HAW

    “Good luck on Kolob dear soul.”

    Seriously, that’s all you’ve got when it comes to providing hard evidence to support your made up fantasies? 🤣

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 3:22 p.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    Good luck on Kolob dear soul.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 30, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "There are some folks, like I, that know all about your tiny social club and giant corporation. Some day pal.......the "secrecy" will be exposed."

    - Really? Feel free to "spill the beans"; we could all use a good laugh.

    - You're obviously struggling with the vast difference between "private" and "secret". Just because something is "private" doesn't mean its some sort of "sinister secret" that needs to be exposed.

    "You seek verifiable evidence as it relates to your you social club.......? Okay then, you can look up online many tax returns filed in Canada, Ireland, UK and all over Europe. You'll see EXACTLY where that coin goes my friend."

    - Really, that information is available to anybody who decides to go searching for it on the internet?

    - And what exactly will that evidence prove as it relates to the LDS church subsidizing BYU athletics?

    The truth is, you're all talk, but no walk when it comes to providing any actual evidence from a reliable, verifiable source to back up your wild claims.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    You seek verifiable evidence as it relates to your you social club.......? Okay then, you can look up online many tax returns filed in Canada, Ireland, UK and all over Europe. You'll see EXACTLY where that coin goes my friend. And that, isn't what actually happens here in the USA.............some day...... it will be exposed.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    Having the spirited BYu worker bees buzzing around me trying to put just any thought together in an attempt to debate me is really a form of comedy that does NOT exist anywhere else on planet earth, not their dream planet that is. Thanks fellas!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 12:57 p.m.

    @ blue and gold,

    There are some folks, like I, that know all about your tiny social club and giant corporation.

    Some day pal.......the "secrecy" will be exposed.

    It is only a matter of time. But, the wwweb has "exposed" a few gems for sure!

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 30, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "I know a lot more than U thunk I know pal and let us leave it alone. I wouldn't make claims unless I knew stuff my friend."

    What you "know" is nothing but hearsay unless you can cite reliable, verifiable evidence from a reliable, verifiable source to prove your claims.

    Sorry, but your frantic intimidation tactics don't work here pal.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 30, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “Utah is a member of the finest collegiate conference in the world by so far, indisputable. Did U know that fact sir?”

    In terms of Consensus National College Football Championships (#1 AP, #1 Coaches) and NCAA Men’s Basketball Championships won during the last 20 years,

    the PAC 12 is THE weakest P5; that’s not even debatable.

    In fact, BYU has won more Consensus National College Football Championships (#1 AP, Coaches #1) since the 1980’s, than the entire PAC 12 combined.

    Did you know those FACTS?

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 30, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 11:47 a.m.
    @ talkinsports,

    “You can relish in Y yesteryears all U care to, actually your only option as it relates to all things BYu and we don't care one iota what y'all thunk.”

    As has been said before on this blog,

    Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories.

    Utah is desperately trying to go where BYU has already been.

    BYU is already in the Consensus National Champions and Heisman Trophy winners club,

    Utah fans still have their noses pressed against the windows desperately wishing that they could be in the club.

    Go Cougs!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 11:55 a.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    The Catholic Church has tons of real estate holdings indeed, but they are a legit charitable operation, always have been and will be. They have no "business" sir. I know a lot more than U thunk I know pal and let us leave it alone. I wouldn't make claims unless I knew stuff my friend.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    @ talkinsports,

    You can relish in Y yesteryears all U care to, actually your only option as it relates to all things BYu and we don't care one iota what y'all thunk.

    I'm not sure if you are aware of the fact that Utah is a member of the finest collegiate conference in the world by so far, indisputable. Did U know that fact sir?

    And, we Utes are so jazzed that we are in the big time. I wish you could feel it too. It feels great, sir.

    We Utes hope that BYu is deemed what they are as of today and are abolished from every Utah sports schedule like 5 years ago. We are DONE with BYu kind sir.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 30, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -
    @ The sports authority,

    "Thank you for posting the Doaks, O'Briens, Baughs and Outland awards from the BYu analog WAC era yet again. That is so important these days."

    Feel free to post Utah's matching list of accomplishments from 1892 to 2019 anytime you desire.

    Judging from the numbers in the parenthesis, the list should be pretty short:

    1 - Consensus National Championship (0)
    1 - Heisman Trophy (0)
    6 - National HOF Players (0)
    17 - AP Top 25 Finishes (8)
    4 - Davey O'Brien - Best QB (0)
    7 - Sammy Baugh - Best Passer (0)
    2 - Outland - Best Interior Lineman (0)
    1 - Doak Walker - Best RB (0)
    1 - Maxwell - Best Overall (0)

    but hey, the Utes have had a couple of pretty good kickers,

    so there's that.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 30, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -

    @ Just the Fax,

    "What you are stating is simply not true, according to BYU in fact."

    - Prove it with a reliable, verifiable source

    What is FACT, is that BYU is owned by the biggest privately owned corporation in the world, by a long-shot.

    - The Roman Catholic Church dwarfs the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by a long-shot, but even if your claim was true, it's totally irrelevant; the church does not subsidize BYU athletics.

    We all have eyes and can see.......and there is a fair amount of publicly known facts that refute every claim you are presenting.

    - Once again, prove it with your reliable, verifiable sources

    Bottom line:

    Despite your rant, you haven't provided a single, verifiable FACT from a reliable, verifiable source to rebut any of the FACTS posted by Just the FAX.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    Is it even remotely possible that the best college football player in the state of Utah by so far it is a crime, Utah Ute junior cornerback Jaylon Johnson, is worried about BYu's "WAC-era legacy program" 10 years before he was born? I, uh, thunk not. Lil' Zachary Wilson so knows he cannot throw a ball near Jaylon Johnson.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    @ The sports authority,

    Thank you for posting the Doaks, O'Briens, Baughs and Outland awards from the BYu analog WAC era yet again. That is so important these days. That 20th century Y "legacy" has gotten them into all doors here in the 21st century without one doubt. Congrats!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 30, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    Just the FAX

    "BYU generates around $67 million a year in revenue."

    Other often overlooked "bottom line" factors...

    - All of BYU's athletic facilities are always totally funded before they are built
    - Over half of BYU's athletic scholarships are already fully endowed
    - BYU has one of the few collegiate athletic departments that operates in the black

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    @ Just the Fax,

    What you are stating is simply not true, according to BYu in fact. What is FACT, is that BYu is owned by the biggest privately owned corporation in the world, by a long-shot. We all have eyes and can see.......and there is a fair amount of publicly known facts that refute every claim you are presenting. If BYu was a factor or valuable in any way whatsoever........a P5 conference may listen at some point.......?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 30, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "To all the frantic Y fans throwing shade at PAC-12 utah........? No P5 conference will ever consider BYU......a fact.

    We Utes cannot wait until BYU no longer appears in any fashion, in everything."

    yawn

    All of the baby brothers on the molehill will be long past caring before utah completes this list of national achievements (current utah achievements):

    1 - Consensus National Championship (0)
    1 - Heisman Trophy (0)
    6 - National HOF Players (0)
    17 - AP Top 25 Finishes (8)
    4 - Davey O'Brien - Best QB (0)
    7 - Sammy Baugh - Best Passer (0)
    2 - Outland - Best Interior Lineman (0)
    1 - Doak Walker - Best RB (0)
    1 - Maxwell - Best Overall (0)

    11 - 11+ win seasons (2)
    16 - 10+ win seasons (7)
    24 - 9+ win seasons (13)

    23 Conference Championships in the WAC/MWC/PAC 12 (6)

    BYU has already accomplished FAR more in only 94 seasons,

    than sorry Utah has accomplished in 125 seasons.

    Regardless of your desperate attempts to "leave BYU in your dust"

    utah will ALWAYS live in BYU's shadow.

    Enjoy the perpetual shade!

    FACTS!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 30, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    BYU generates around $67 million a year in revenue. Considering it gets tens of millions less than Big Ten and SEC teams in TV revenue, that’s not too bad. It’s very good, in fact. It puts BYU at about 55th in total revenue, compared to the bottom half of Pac-12 schools and higher than any G5 school.

    BYU actually produces as much or more revenue than a good portion of P5 schools in all categories outside of TV revenue. BYU is still on a 2010 contract which was negotiated before the huge inflation in TV value for college sports. Though not publicly known, BYU’s 2010 independent TV contract with ESPN is estimated to be somewhere between $6-10 million annually, which is on par with what ACC teams got around the same time.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    To all the frantic Y fans throwing shade at PAC-12 Utah........? No P5 conference will ever consider BYu......a fact.

    We Utes cannot wait until BYu no longer appears in any fashion, in everything.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 30, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “I highly doubt that BYu makes nearly $4 million/year from ESPN in the last 3 years, as their initial contract was augmented by ESPN according to the Holmoe. I think it is closer to $2.5 million actually. They only get paid for three guaranteed home games and their pay is based on time slots and on what ESPN channel.”

    As usual, your guesstimates bear no resemblance to reality.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    May 30, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    ut-HAW

    "You are free to relish in his ball hog college antics, fair enough and congrats."

    LOL at your petty jealousy.

    Prolific scorers by definition take a lot of shots.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have never had a player whose game was so exciting that it created a national mania.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 30, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Utah is now a Top 25 P5 program and BYU is a dumpster-fire."

    Nope!

    The mighty Utes were unranked in 2018 and barely beat a mediocre BYU team on their home turf.

    Utah won the weakest PAC 12 South division in history - only ONE team, besides Utah, finished with a winning record - just barely.

    Utah State was MUCH better than U, in fact, unlike the unranked Utes,

    THREE MWC teams were ranked in both final polls.

    Bottom line:

    The mighty weak P5 Utes would have finished FOURTH in the MWC.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 7:28 a.m.

    @ Naval Vet,

    I highly doubt that BYu makes nearly $4 million/year from ESPN in the last 3 years, as their initial contract was augmented by ESPN according to the Holmoe. I think it is closer to $2.5 million actually. They only get paid for three guaranteed home games and their pay is based on time slots and on what ESPN channel.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 30, 2019 6:34 a.m.

    @ Factchucker,

    You are free to relish in his ball hog college antics, fair enough and congrats. This last stint in PHX was very sad indeed, as you would agree. My world Champion Chesapeake Bay Retriever could have gone 0-13 from beyond the arc as well, but I flat-out guarantee ya that she would play better defense and be 1000x more popular. It would be "Dorimania" worldwide within an hour! HAHA!

    Cheers!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2019 4:06 a.m.

    No playoff for U - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 9:10 p.m.
    utemythology

    What's your excuse for accomplishing far less in 125 seasons than BYU has accomplished in only 94 seasons?

    --------

    No excuse, I agree BYU, Pitt, and Minnesota have much better VHS highlights.

    You must agree that Utah is now a Top 25 P5 program and BYU is a dumpster-fire.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 29, 2019 11:30 p.m.

    No playoff for YOU:

    What's YOUR excuse for being "midmajors forever", despite having a 3 decade head start on your alleged "secret negotiations" with the Pac-10? You know it only took Utah 4-months to do what you all failed to do in 30-yrs, don't you? And now we'd just raked in over $31 million last year, whereas you all hauled in just under $4 million. Haha!

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 9:10 p.m.

    utemythology

    What's your excuse for accomplishing far less in 125 seasons than BYU has accomplished in only 94 seasons?

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 6:21 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 4:12 p.m.
    @ Skywalker,

    James Taft Fredette and Adam Morrison are the two biggest NBA Draft busts of the 21st century...

    Doesn’t change the fact one iota that Jimmer was THE most exciting player in the entire country his senior season and the Consensus National Player of the Year, winning more national awards than any Utah player in history.

    Fredette singlehandedly crushed Utah in his final appearance in the Huntsman Center.

    Utah fans are still smarting from that beatdown.

  • 3rdGenerationUte Payson, UT
    May 29, 2019 5:14 p.m.

    @THEREALND

    I agree with everything in your post except involving the state legislature! Let's not give them any ideas/incentives to waste more time & tax dollars. 😉

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 4:12 p.m.

    @ Skywalker,

    James Taft Fredette and Adam Morrison are the two biggest NBA Draft busts of the 21st century and top 25 all-time.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 4:07 p.m.

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    May 29, 2019 3:51 p.m.
    utemythology

    "For Utah, the BYU game was a spring scrimmage until 1964.

    Utah was 34-2 (4 ties) including 14 shutouts.

    Over the first 18 years, you scored a total of 35 points combined."

    yawn...

    Thanks to a THIRTY YEAR head start and BYU once again having to rebuild its program from scratch after WWII. 3/4ths of the games were played at Utah because BYU didn't even have a football stadium.

    --------

    Why is that Utah's problem?

    What's your excuse today?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 29, 2019 4:01 p.m.

    utemythology

    LOL at your phony time frames.

    Since 2005-06, BYU has dominated U across the board in

    NCAA Appearances 8-3
    NCAA Wins 4-3

    NIT Appearances 5-3
    NIT Wins 6-4

    Post Season Appearances 13-6
    Post Season Wins 10-7

    The ONLY NCAA success Utah has had is with Poeltl and Jakob barely drew a whimper compared to the mania produced by Jimmer, the Consensus National Player of the Year (which you conveniently ignored).

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 29, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    utemythology

    "For Utah, the BYU game was a spring scrimmage until 1964.

    Utah was 34-2 (4 ties) including 14 shutouts.

    Over the first 18 years, you scored a total of 35 points combined."

    yawn...

    Thanks to a THIRTY YEAR head start and BYU once again having to rebuild its program from scratch after WWII. 3/4ths of the games were played at Utah because BYU didn't even have a football stadium.

    Unfortunately for U, during Utah's heyday of domination, Utah was nothing more than a bad football program beating up on an even worse football program.

    From 1892 to 1991, the Utes only played in TWO bowl games, were only ranked ONCE, in ONE poll, and never won more than NINE games in a single season.

    Seriously, how much more pathetic can U get in your first CENTURY of football?

    In 1962, BYU finally decided to start taking football seriously. They helped found the WAC, with Utah, and built a permanent football stadium.

    In 1965, BYU won their first conference championship and has owned the BYU-Utah series 29-24 since.

    With 6 seasons left before reaching 100, BYU already has (Utah)
    1 Consensus National Championship (0)
    1 Heisman Trophy (0)
    17 AP Top 25 Finishes (8)
    11 11+ Win Seasons (2)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 3:27 p.m.

    No playoff for U - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 3:17 p.m.
    utemythology

    re: "BYU has owned Utah in basketball since 2005-06"

    "What are you talking about? We have proved it on the court in the postseason."

    NOT since 2005-06 U haven't.

    -----

    Yes we have!

    Since 2015:

    * Top 25: 2
    * NCAA: 3-2
    * NIT: 4-2
    * NBA Draft: 3

    You were from 2005-2014, Jimmer took BYU to another level:

    * 3-4 NCAA (1 S16)
    * 2 Top 25
    * NBA Draft: 2

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 29, 2019 3:25 p.m.

    utemythology

    "All BYU, Utah State, and Weber State get is participation trophies"

    I'll take BYU's EIGHT participation trophies since 2005-06
    over Utah's THREE participation trophies since 2005-06

    anyday!

    If you search hard enough, you might be able to find 5 SOS trophies hidden in your trophy closet to even the score.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    utemythology

    re: "BYU has owned Utah in basketball since 2005-06"

    "What are you talking about? We have proved it on the court in the postseason."

    NOT since 2005-06 U haven't.

    NCAA Tournaments
    BYU 8 > Utah 3

    NIT Tournaments
    BYU 5 > Utah 3

    Total Post Season Tournaments
    BYU 13 > Utah 6

    BYU has played in more than TWICE as many post season tournaments and nearly THREE times as many NCAA tournaments as Utah since 2005-06.

    NCAA Wins
    BYU 4 > Utah 3

    NIT Wins
    BYU 6 > Utah 4

    Total Post Seasons Wins
    BYU 10 > Utah 7

    And, let's not forget Utah's total meltdown in their last game in the NCAA tournament.

    The only decent NCAA tournament opponent you've beaten since 2005-06 is Georgetown.

    That's supposedly proving it on the court in post season?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    Swoop - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 2:00 p.m.
    BYU and Utah are such rivals that the Utes count a spring scrimmage against Brigham Young Academy as a real game to pad their rivalry record.

    Seriously, who else but Utah would count a spring scrimmage as a real game?

    -------

    For Utah, the BYU game was a spring scrimmage until 1964.

    Utah was 34-2 (4 ties) including 14 shutouts.

    Over the first 18 years, you scored a total of 35 points combined.

    Over the first 40 years, only 5 times BYU managed to score in double digits, Utah did it in 34 games.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 3:10 p.m.

    @ mussing around,

    Sir, I felt no pain whatsoever, NEVER! I had ZERO respect for them, if that? I can only be insulted with my permission. They never dared to say anything raw to my face, or about me even ONCE. I defended the souls they did pick on and belittle however. It was fun as heck my friend.

    I have a handful of ardent LDS friends that live the tenets and never judge others' beliefs. They are angelic in my book. So, it ain't about what you may be assuming.......?

    I follow and enjoy BYu volleyball, have since 1984 in fact. They don't run their mouths and reflect perfect sportsmanship ALWAYS. They are great, always have been and need not yak.

    Most Y fans act in a fashion that is unacceptable to all. I think you know that. So, you will understand where I'm coming from hopefully.

    You are good man! Thanks for that chat!!!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 3:00 p.m.

    @RockCoug
    Bottom line

    BYU has owned Utah in basketball since 2005-06

    It's obvious why Utah so desperately wants to run away from BYU

    Just as you've done with Utah St and Weber St...

    the little baby brother Utes desperately want to claim "superiority"

    without having to prove it on the court

    --------

    What are you talking about? We have proved it on the court in the postseason.

    Bottom line, no program in the state matches Utah's accomplishments this century:

    NCAA: 7-8 47% (2 Sweet 16)
    Top 25: 4
    NBA Draft: 4

    This isn't good, by our own standards we have been medicore at best. Which is why Krystkowiak must make the NCAA next season.

    All BYU, Utah State, and Weber State get is participation trophies: 4-24 (14%)

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 2:50 p.m.

    @ talkinsports,

    I've loved following the Red Rocks since the beginning. Red Rock fans are very knowledgable sir. I've followed BYu men's volleyball very closely since 1984. I never cheer for the BYu, but the Y offers great volleyball entertainment and they are consummate gentlemen, never talk smack, don't need to because theY are the real deal. I also know quite a bit about both Y-U revenue sports as well.

    Cheers!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 29, 2019 2:30 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -

    @ talking sports,

    "Utah Red Rocks vs BYU gymnastics overall record = 99-2, 39 straight wins.........one loss = Utah forfeited due to the Y coach making nasty comments and Greg Marsden cancelled the meet. 2nd loss = all of Utah's travel team got food poisoning and Utah suited up 5 freshmen.

    That is some "rivalry," ain't it?"

    gotcha!

    The fact that you are able to cite those facts in such detail is proof positive that even
    the BYU Cougars and the Utah Red Rocks are a rivalry, lopsided, to be sure, but still a rivalry.

    How many other teams could you talk about in such detail?

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 29, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    I can appreciate the pain you experienced while growing up, but there are literally thousands of your fellow Utah fans who are also devout LDS.

    Why single out only BYU fans, especially if you grew up in an area that was predominantly Utah fans?

    As Buster Kilrain (fictional character, with real world advice) said:

    "Any man who judges by the group is a pea-wit. You take men one at a time."

    You can find the exact same "ilk" as you describe them, in every fan base and in every religious group in the world.

    So why are you blaming only BYU LDS for your pain?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    BYU and Utah are such rivals that the Utes count a spring scrimmage against Brigham Young Academy as a real game to pad their rivalry record.

    Seriously, who else but Utah would count a spring scrimmage as a real game?

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    May 29, 2019 1:43 p.m.

    Getting back to the topic...

    when is UTAH going to MAN up and start playing home-and-home games with all of their in-state rivals?

    If Utah is able to make room in their schedule for teams like Miss Valley St, Grand Canyon, Northern Arizona and Idaho St,

    surely, there's room to add at least one home and one away game against an in-state rival every season.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 1:32 p.m.

    @ talking sports,

    Utah Red Rocks vs BYU gymnastics overall record = 99-2, 39 straight wins.........one loss = Utah forfeited due to the Y coach making nasty comments and Greg Marsden cancelled the meet. 2nd loss = all of Utah's travel team got food poisoning and Utah suited up 5 freshmen.

    That is some "rivalry," ain't it? HAHA!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 1:22 p.m.

    @ mussing around,

    I have no beef with you sir. You were honest with me and apologized to me with total honor. I vehemently respect you for that.

    I'm not bothered with the fact that you dislike me. Most of "you people" actually do "hate" me. It makes me giggle in fact.

    I'm no "hall monitor" in any fashion. I never leverage people's beliefs like y'all demand. That is personal. I grew up in Utah my friend. I lived the social tyranny that still exists there as of today. I was always told by the majority there......."If you don't like it, leave!" Ain't that respectful and considerate of others? HAHAHA! And in fact, when I made enough money, I did leave, decades ago indeed.

    All the best to U sir, truthfully.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 29, 2019 1:16 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "I mean really dude, the Y calls the mighty "Red Rocks" a "rival?" That is absurd!"

    How many times has BYU beaten U in women's gymnastics?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “Get this straight, sir. Utah was only EVER "rivals" with BYU in men's basketball = "Holy War" historically. Utah is BYU’s "rival" in all things...”

    Living in denial is your choice, but I can cite literally thousands of articles, stories, quotes from fans on both sides of the rivalry, and blog posts that BYU and Utah have been rivals in EVERYTHING, not just sports, since the first athletic contest ended in an all-out brawl in the 1890’s.

    It wasn’t BYU fans who ranked Utah fans as the 2nd most rival obsessed fans in the country.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 29, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “I call out bullies and will not tolerate the feebly intolerant, does not make me a "hater" like you and your ilk accuse me of.”

    For intolerant bully who will not tolerate anyone who disagrees with your point of view...

    see mirror.

    Who made you hall monitor to decide which beliefs, opinions, or points of view will be tolerated and which will not be tolerated in the public forum?

    That’s what free speech is all about sir.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    @ Swoop,

    Did Jakob Poeltl-led Utah lose to BYu pards? NOPE! Gonzaga basketball means nothing to us...... but, they are your WCC "daddy" like Utah football is today. Cheer up Cosmo!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 12:25 p.m.

    @ Skywalker,

    Get this straight, sir. Utah was only EVER "rivals" with BYu in men's basketball = "Holy War" historically. Utah is BYu's "rival" in all things.......who cares.....we don't care one iota.

    I mean really dude, the Y calls the mighty "Red Rocks" a "rival?" That is absurd!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    @ skywalker,

    "Hate" is a powerful, all-inclusive state of being.......and I don't actually "hate" but a few select souls on this planet, none of whom are LDS in fact. Now, do I understand the LDS and avoid them most all the time.......yes, I do. I'm free to live how I "choose," thank you. I live in adult reality pal and I despise childish bullies and folks who are fundamentally intolerant. Just because I call out bullies and will not tolerate the feebly intolerant, does not make me a "hater" like you and your ilk accuse me of.

    I wish U the best, sir.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    Ut-Haw

    “Can we U-Y fans just talk about the invincible "Lone Peak Three" for a while...”

    It would be much more entertaining to include talk about the awesome Poeltl era meltdown.

    Lone Peak Three > @ #1 Gonzaga

    Big Dance Gonzaga > Poeltl
    (in fact, it was a curb stomping)

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 29, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    @ skywalker,
    “Very few folks that I've ever met actually "hate" BYU or their owners. I certainly don't, never have or will in fact.”

    I’m sure that’s true for most folks you’ve met, but I don’t believe that for a second about you.

    You spend more time hating on BYU (and “BYU’s owner” - code for LDS hatred), than you spend actually talking about sports.

    There’s absolutely no reason why century-old rivals BYU and Utah shouldn’t continue to compete against each other in every possible sport.

    BYU is typically better across the board than the vast majority of Utah’s other OOC opponents.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    Can we U-Y fans just talk about the invincible "Lone Peak Three" for a while.......we all need a break from reality every so often and should have a few laughs together once in a while. We deserve it "brothers."

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    @ arrogant chickens,

    No worries for PAC-12 Utah my friend. We Utes are lovin' it BIG TIME!!!! Y fans really need to worry, as U do. These latter-days have taken their toll on BYu-Provo D1 athletics........the hammer will drop soon my brother.......be prepared and spiritual. Good luck kind sir!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    @ skywalker,

    Very few folks that I've ever met actually "hate" BYu or their owners. I certainly don't, never have or will in fact. However, most folks avoid them at all cost.

    And, that claim is real in your eyes too......has to be....... you've witnessed that perpetual fact almost every darn day....... be honest, sir?

    I wish "you people" all the luck in the world and U take care sky yakker.

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    May 29, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    ut-hawaii alum

    "BYU and its fans need Utah-SLC to schedule their teams for revenue primarily"

    LOL

    Utah-SLC fans don't even show up to their own games played in the Huntsman.

    The farcical manner in which attendance is recorded is proof of that.

    For the Colorado at Utah-SLC game,
    Capacity is listed at 8,000
    Attendance is listed at 10,372 (100%)

    Why?

    Because Utah-SLC drapes the entire upper concourse to make the Huntsman seem less empty, while pretending that all of those fans who show up disguised as empty red chairs are real attendees.

    For MVSU,
    Capacity is listed at 8,000
    Attendance is listed at 10,804 (100%)

    For FAMU,
    Capacity is listed at 8,000
    Attendance is listed at 10,887 (100%)

    Seriously, more Utah-SLC fans attended the MVSU and FAMU games, than attended the Colorado game?

    Of course, if you look at the crowd pictures of just about every game, you can clearly see entire sections of mostly empty seats below concourse.

    Actual attendance is more like 6,000 to 7,000 fans for most games.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 29, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    ut-HAW

    "Sir, my claims are very relevant indeed. Regardless if you will accept/facts that are on BYU's horizon is your business, and REAL concerns for all BYU sports fans.

    The hammer is gonna drop someday.......you and I do NOT know when, but it will for sure, sir."

    Your claims, fake sir, are nothing but BYU-hating propaganda cooked up BY u and your u-slc buddies in your parents' basement.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 29, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    utemythology

    "Again, BYU has 4 NCAA wins since 1993."

    yawn, LOL at your spin

    BYU has 8 NCAA appearances and 4 NCAA wins since 2005-06
    Utah has 3 NCAA appearances and 3 NCAA wins since 2005-06

    BYU has 5 NIT appearances and 6 NIT wins since 2005-06
    Utah has 3 NIT appearances and 4 NIT wins since 2005-06

    BYU has 13 post season appearances and 10 post season wins since 2005-06
    Utah has 6 post season appearances and 7 post season wins since 2005-06

    BYU has dominated U head-to-head 14-6, most by double digits, since 2005-06
    BYU has destroyed U 85-62, 71-51 and 104-79 since 2005-06
    Utah hasn't beaten BYU by 20+ points THIS CENTURY!

    Bottom line

    BYU has owned Utah in basketball since 2005-06

    It's obvious why Utah so desperately wants to run away from BYU

    Just as you've done with Utah St and Weber St...

    the little baby brother Utes desperately want to claim "superiority"

    without having to prove it on the court

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    BYu-Provo and its fans need Utah to schedule their teams for revenue primarily and to extend those folks some realistic sense of "hope." Even the casual football fan that may view a late-night November BYu football game on the ESPN-Ocho channel, can "see" that the stadium has 20k/less fans in the stadium. Yet, BYu claims stats that are not real or possible........?

    Utah needs BYu-Provo NOT, ever again!

    Goooooo Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 29, 2019 8:54 a.m.
    utemythology

    “How about this century?”

    Majerus is long gone; the program that he built had been dead for over a decade.

    BYU has owned U since then, 14 of the last 20, most by double digits, including three 20-point blowouts.

    ------

    You keep measuring yourself to beating Utah.

    Again, BYU has 4 NCAA wins since 1993.

    SAD!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    @ SNAcon,

    Sir, my claims are very relevant indeed. Regardless if you will accept/facts that are on BYu's horizon is your business, and REAL concerns for all BYu-Provo sports fans.

    The hammer is gonna drop someday.......you and I do NOT know when, but it will for sure, sir.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 29, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 8:47 a.m.
    @ ND95CA,

    “The ONLY TWO factors that you should worry about as of today....”

    Nice try, but, as expected, totally irrelevant to this discussion.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 29, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    utemythology

    “How about this century?”

    Majerus is long gone; the program that he built had been dead for over a decade.

    BYU has owned U since then, 14 of the last 20, most by double digits, including three 20-point blowouts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    ND95CA - Lincoln Park, IL
    May 29, 2019 7:54 a.m.
    utemythology

    "NCAA wins this century:

    * Utah: 7-8 (47%)"

    Yawn...

    NCAA tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 8 > Utah 3

    NIT tournaments last 14 seasons...

    Don't even bother with number of wins; the ONLY decent team Utah has beaten since 2005 is Georgetown in 2015.

    In 2016, Utah beat #14 seed Fresno St, before getting destroyed by Gonzaga.

    ------

    Don't bother with number of postseason wins?

    SMH

    News flash, beating #14 Seed is much better than beating Weber State, Utah State, UVU, and BYU on the road. Plus Utah was a Top 25 team both years.

    Take your time, ask one of your Coug friends to explain it to you if you're still confused.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 8:47 a.m.

    @ ND95CA,

    The ONLY TWO factors that you should worry about as of today..........

    1) The LDS 1st Presidency, who owns BYu, looks at the facts ONLY = BYu-Provo NCAA D1 sports is a money drain, a product that doesn't sell and there isn't ANY remote possibility whatsoever that a P5 conference will EVER consider BYu-Provo. They, at some point, probably sooner than later, will refocus ALL BYu schools to learning institutions only. And, if U don't think they won't make such a bold cut, think again my friend. They have done so in Idaho and Hawaii.

    2) Utah and BYu have grown apart since Utah was invited to create the PAC-12. To almost everyone Utah, the Y is no longer interesting, meaningless competition for no benefit, but definitely, and ALWAYS a terminal problem. We are sick of it wholeheartedly, sir. Move on and all the best to y'all.

    Try to smile man! Take care!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    ND95CA - Lincoln Park, IL
    May 29, 2019 7:54 a.m.
    utemythology

    "NCAA wins this century:

    * Utah: 7-8 (47%)"

    Yawn...

    NCAA tournaments last 14 seasons
    NCAA tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 8 > Utah 3

    NIT tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 5 > Utah 3

    Total post-season tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 13 > Utah 6

    -----

    14? How about this century? You can't how that high?

    BYU has 3 MORE tournament berths.

    Where do you want your participation trophy?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 29, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    ND95CA

    "It's not that beating Utah St wouldn't be a quality win for Utah, the simple truth is the Utes are too scared of getting their feelings hurt by losing to the Aggies in Logan."

    So true!

    Utah-Hawaii Alum talks big about wanting to play other in-state teams, but the truth is, he's all talk, but no walk, when it comes to playing in Logan or in Ogden.

    Watch him try to switch the topic away from basketball, because he knows that BYU has owned Utah in basketball since the last remnants of the Majerus era left Utah.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 29, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    utemythology

    "NCAA wins this century:

    * Utah: 7-8 (47%)"

    Yawn...

    NCAA tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 8 > Utah 3

    NIT tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 5 > Utah 3

    Total post-season tournaments last 14 seasons

    BYU 13 > Utah 6

    Don't even bother with number of wins; the ONLY decent team Utah has beaten since 2005 is Georgetown in 2015.

    In 2016, Utah beat #14 seed Fresno St, before getting destroyed by Gonzaga.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 29, 2019 7:46 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -

    "I enjoy the flailing comments by Y fans and their unfounded, failed hype campaigns..."

    I laugh at your frantic attempts to divert attention from the actual topic of discussion, the arrogance and absolute cowardice of the little baby brothers on the molehill displayed by their refusal to schedule home and away games with Utah St and Weber St.

    Since when is the 4th best team in the state "too good" to play in Logan or in Ogden?

    Of course, the real reason is Utah's pitiful 7 wins in 29 road games vs in-state teams during the last 20 years.

    It's not that beating Utah St wouldn't be a quality win for Utah, the simple truth is the Utes are too scared of getting their feelings hurt by losing to the Aggies in Logan.

    #38 USU
    #86 BYU
    #104 UVU
    #109 Utah

    Safety first.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 29, 2019 6:55 a.m.

    I enjoy the flailing comments by Y fans and their unfounded, failed hype campaigns.............

    Long live............ "Quest for Perfection" "Jimmermania" "Heaps for Heisman" "The Lone Peak Three"

    Oh my gosh? HAHA!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    May 29, 2019 6:15 a.m.

    With all of this talk about how bad Utah’s program is and baby brother this and that, I just have to ask, why are you so desperate to play Utah? Do you know why Utah doesn’t schedule lots of in-state games? It’s because they don’t have to. A team that plays at Arizona, Oregon, and UCLA annually, and scheduled Duke of all teams a few years ago is not “scared” to play the un-national powerhouses next door. They just don’t need the games and are ignoring you. Please continue to jump and shout and wave your arms. We see you, but just aren’t interested enough to cross the street to make your season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2019 4:24 a.m.

    BleedCougarBlue - Enid, OK
    May 28, 2019 7:26 p.m.
    Article quote: "Over the past eight years since Larry Krystkowiak took over as Ute coach, the Utes have played a grand total of 12 in-state games. Seven have come against BYU, two against Utah State and one each against Weber State, Utah Valley and Southern Utah."

    And why is that? It's obvious: the Utes are afraid of losing.

    Period.

    So, please, Utah fans, tell us again just how massive and powerful your team is.....

    -----

    Okay, I will.

    NCAA wins this century:

    * Utah: 7-8 (47%)

    * BYU, Utah State, Weber State, UVU, Southern Utah: 4-24 (14%)

    Ouch!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 28, 2019 10:01 p.m.

    With only 7 road wins versus BYU, Utah St, and Weber St in the last 20 years, it’s understandable why the baby brother Utes are too scared to play any in-state teams lest they get their feelings hurt by losing.

    It’s not that Utah is too good for other in-state teams, the truth is, the Utes aren’t good enough to beat them, especially on the road.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 28, 2019 7:26 p.m.

    Article quote: "Over the past eight years since Larry Krystkowiak took over as Ute coach, the Utes have played a grand total of 12 in-state games. Seven have come against BYU, two against Utah State and one each against Weber State, Utah Valley and Southern Utah."

    And why is that? It's obvious: the Utes are afraid of losing.

    Period.

    So, please, Utah fans, tell us again just how massive and powerful your team is.....

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 28, 2019 7:25 p.m.

    "And let's not forget, the baby brothers have never played in Orem or in Cedar City."

    Baby brothers! I love it! I'm so going to use that! It's a great description of who they are when it comes to scheduling. There is just no better nickname, period!

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    May 28, 2019 5:16 p.m.

    eCute

    “No one would complain if any of the other in-state programs decided not to schedule their brothers...in any sport.”

    Sure they would, especially if fans of that program continued to spout off about their laughable “superiority”.

    The Utes are quickly losing whatever respect they once enjoyed in Utah.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 28, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    cougsnDawgs,
    No. We're Big Brother. No one would complain if any of the other in-state programs decided not to schedule their brothers...in any sport.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 28, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    So the state's baby brothers on the molehill have won 7 of 29 road games (less than 25%) versus BYU, Utah St and Weber St in the last 20 years.

    No wonder they're so scared of getting their feelings hurt while playing their in-state rivals in Provo, Ogden or Logan.

    Safety first.

    ------

    And let's not forget, the baby brothers have never played in Orem or in Cedar City.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 28, 2019 3:20 p.m.

    utemythology

    "Says fan of a team whose team plays at 8:45 pm starts in mid November on ESPN OCHO"

    Totally made up; how frantic and emotional of U,

    especially coming from a fan of a team who's last November home games in 2017 and 2018 kicked off at 8 pm on FS1.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 28, 2019 3:09 p.m.

    Utah's dubious in-state road record

    @ BYU
    - last road game 12/16/2017 - lost 65-77
    - 3 of 14 on road since 1999-2000
    - last road win 12/10/2014 - won 65-61

    @ Utah St
    - last road game 11/24/10 - lost 62-79
    - 1 of 8 on road since 1996-1997
    - last road win 11/26/96 - won 60-41

    @ Weber St
    - last road game 11/22/11 - lost 51-80
    - 4 of 7 on road since 1999-2000
    - last road win 11/28/07 - won 72-52

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 28, 2019 2:43 p.m.

    If the PAC 12 wasn't on the left coast to fill the late evening time slots, they'd be relegated to FACEBOOK, because NONE of the major networks would schedule the PAC 12 over the ACC, SEC, B1G, or Big 12.

    ------

    Says fan of a team whose team plays at 8:45 pm starts in mid November on ESPN Ocho.

    You think P12 would be on FACEBOOK first over BYU, MWC, AAC?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 28, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    ut-HAW

    "Has anyone ever heard of BYUtv?"

    Lots of fans nation- and world-wide,

    and unlike Utah sports on the PAC 12 network,

    BYUtv doesn't lose money televising BYU sports.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    May 28, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    BlueCoug -

    re: How many basketball games has Utah won in Provo in the last decade?

    - ONE (by four points)

    When was the last time Utah won a basketball game in Logan, Ogden or Orem?

    - Over a decade ago would be a solid guess.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    @ Pac mange,

    I think the PAC 12 will be just fine and I'm lov'n it, as all Utes are.

    Has anyone ever heard of BYutv?......uh, not a chance!

    U take care now. Hear me?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 28, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    Ute-HAW

    "Oh my goodness pal, you know nothing about the PAC12 as a conference."

    Oh my goodness pal, how much more naive could you possibility be about television contracts.

    Do you honestly think ESPN, FOX,r CBS, etc. is going to give a rip about the PAC 12's "research" when it comes to new contract negotiations?

    The PAC 12 has absolutely no business acumen if that's what their front office is using to sell their sports product.

    If the PAC 12 wasn't on the left coast to fill the late evening time slots, they'd be relegated to FACEBOOK, because NONE of the major networks would schedule the PAC 12 over the ACC, SEC, B1G, or Big 12.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    @ PAC woman,

    Oh my goodness pal, you know nothing about the PAC12 as a conference. Please do some "research," pun intended.

    You should be worried about BYu's owners pulling the plug on cash-draining BYu D1 sports. It's costing them a boat-load of stew.......without any doubt.

    Try to smile once in a while! :p

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 28, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -

    @ Lone Star: I'm quite sure the PAC12 is very happy with AAU Colorado and the nearly $1 billion/year Utah rakes in in research grants.

    NONE of that adds a dime to the bottom line of PAC 12 revenue.

    The PAC 12 Network is losing money and PAC 12 games are the least marketable games of any P5 conference.

    It's time for the PAC 12 to admit that Scott's gamble isn't paying off and trim the excess baggage.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    @ Lone Star,

    I'm quite sure the PAC12 is very happy with AAU Colorado and the nearly $1 billion/year Utah rakes in in research grants.

    If UVU balks at buying antiquated LES, maybe Dinosaur National Perk in Vernal may be interested in purchasing it for an archeological "dig" in a few years? Who knows?

    Keep your fingers crossed my friend.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 28, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    What happens when the PAC 10 realizes that Larry Scott saddled the conference with a couple of revenue-draining losers and decides to send Utah back to the WAC?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    @ Lone star,

    Don't worry about Utah basketball fine sir. You should be more concerned about "The Jimmer." He needs a hug before he heads back to Shanghai.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 12:07 p.m.

    Hey Y fans, just think what will happen when UVU buys LES.........y'all will have to suit-up the Cougarettes to play a road game at Dixie State. Enjoy!

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 28, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    The subject is “Time for Utes to start playing in-state schools on a regular basis”,

    so why are U frantically and emotionally trying to divert attention to another sport.

    Quite obviously you’re too embarrassed to even discuss the sorry state of your rundown Utes and their laughable claim to state supremacy.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    @ Northern lights,

    I simply look forward to watching the dazed Y fans leaving LES this August after Utah football pounds on the Y yet again and earns the "W."

    And yes, BYu is the 4th best football team in the state......just behind Bingham HS.

  • RR Omaha, NE
    May 28, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    "The 4th best team in the state has become an arrogant coward, too afraid to play in Logan or in Ogden."

    And after get dominated and annihilated on neutral ground in their own backyard they'll have to find a way to never have that happen again. They'd rather lose to Grand Canyon at home than have that happen again.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 28, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    How many basketball games has Utah won in Provo in the last decade?

    When was the last time Utah won a basketball game in Logan, Ogden or Orem?

    Until the Utes start proving it on the hardwoods, all of their talk about state supremacy is nothing but a bunch of bloviating hot air.

    Attendance at the Huntsman has gotten so bad that the Utes have resorted to draping the entire upper concourse so that the arena doesn’t look so empty.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    May 28, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    What have U ever offered to any conversation on this blog?

    Respect is earned, and neither U nor your school have done anything to earn it.

    The 4th best team in the state has become an arrogant coward, too afraid to play in Logan or in Ogden.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    @ Deducted person,

    First of all, I'm no "newbie," which you blindly assumed, to your chagrin of course.

    Secondly, I was speaking to "blue n gold," who always mentions "Oregon State" when criticizing the PAC-12.

    Thirdly, what are you actually offering to this conversation as it relates to me? I certainly don't see any merit to your contribution whatsoever.

    U be happy!

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2019 10:41 a.m.

    City boy: "There is an old adage that has application in Utah’s situation: “It is better that everyone think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

    There's another old adage, "take your own advice."

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 28, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    ekute:
    "The Runnin" Utes have little to brag about as of recent yet the local media chooses to troll us out of season as the other local programs covet a connection to our brand..."

    Local media troll U because they see the same problem in your (and coach Kry's) self-proclaimed status of "big brother": "little brother" is kicking your caboose. U aren't as big as U think U are...and people that have unwarranted arrogance and delusions of grandeur are easy to troll.

    That's why U have so many trolls, not because people want a connection to your "brand" lol. That was cUte though.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 28, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    It's hilarious how the 4th best team in the state demands recognition simply for wearing a PAC 12 patch.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    I often wonder if BYu's owners will ever try to purchase the University of Utah so they can experience glory again?

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    Utah can play or not play whoever they want...get over it! They have nothing to gain by playing local schools...BYU, USU, Weber, and SUU treat it like one of their biggest games of the year. Utah needs to focus on building their program and I don't think playing local schools is a critical component to that game plan. I have nothing against them playing local schools, but I would love to see Utah add some Home and Homes with other P5 conferences...that will help build the program.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 28, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    u-h alum

    "Do you know what Utah, Vandy and Oregon State all have in common, sir? They have ALL won official NCAA national team titles in the last three years."

    What are you talking about newbie? Nobody even mentioned Oregon St.

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    May 28, 2019 10:19 a.m.

    The Utes are becoming the laughing stock of the state, boasting of their "supremacy", even though they're so afraid of getting their feelings hurt that they refuse to play their in-state rivals, especially on the road.

    Safety first.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 28, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    Utah (Larry K) doesn't want to play the local teams, because it doesn't want to get beat by the local teams. Kinda hard to justify a multi-million contract when you're getting beat by teams perceived to be weaker than you.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    U always, routinely, blindly throw shade at Utah, Vandy and Oregon State about "accomplishments," while defending a NOTHING parochial school in Provo, Utah that is NOT spoken about EVER in the 21st century = fact.

    Do you know what Utah, Vandy and Oregon State all have in common, sir? They have ALL won official NCAA national team titles in the last three years. Now, does BYu, or its fans, have something say that anyone will acknowledge? NOPE!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 28, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs,
    Yes. You proved my point. The Runnin" Utes have little to brag about as of recent yet the local media chooses to troll us out of season as the other local programs covet a connection to our brand...in all sports...lol.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 28, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    Utah-HI Mike:
    "Nobody despises the U of Utah in the "real world," but "America's team" every week during the college football season is BYu's opponent. It is "true."

    How are you dear brother? I think for your above statement, "America" would have to care about BYU, and they simply do not...of course, they don't care enough about Utah to cheer for or against them either. I think you and I know full well that the only fans who really care about the Utes and Cougs, are obsessed Ute and Coug fans. Truth, my man! Have a good one.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 28, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Nobody despises the U of Utah in the "real world,..."

    The truth is, nobody cares about U.

    Utah is the Indiana / Vanderbilt of the PAC 12.

    A team that adds nothing to the PAC 12 but a bunch of hot air.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 28, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Thanks again for your copy-n-paste of the 20th century "analog era" BYU football awards kind sir. However, you forgot to post the Heismans, Doaks, Outlands, O'Briens, etc... How are things going in the 21st century?

    It's hilarious how fans of a program that has never accomplished anything of significance in the stone, leather-helmet, analog or digital age

    mock BYU's accomplishments.

    Utah's only accomplishment on the national stage was upset win in an also ran bowl over a totally disinterested Alabama team that couldn't have care less about Utah.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 28, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    ekute:
    "The article and ensuing comments leave no question as to who is looked at as the big brother...across the board...in all sports. Go Utes!"

    Well, your "little brothers" BYU own U on the hardwood (what this article is about, despite the usual digression into football history). How embarrassing...any program claiming "big brother" status that is getting owned in the 2nd highest revenue sport is just pathetic.

    Legends in Ur own mind. It's almost time to shine up those SOS trophies again lol.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    BYu fans can say whatever they care to about PAC-12 Utah. All they CAN DO is "talk"........means nothing in fact.

    Nobody despises the U of Utah in the "real world," but "America's team" every week during the college football season is BYu's opponent. It is "true."

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 9:35 a.m.

    @ Lonestar runner,

    I feel your pain sir. We Utes are just dandy.........and look to drop BYu before the Y's owners do. That fate is imminent sir.....and you know it.

    Utah won two official NCAA natty titles in the last three years. How is BYu doing?......not a factor at ALL!

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 28, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    u-h alum

    "Thanks again for your copy-n-paste of the 20th century "analog era" BYU football awards..."

    That was simply a rehash of the overwhelming list of accomplishments BYU achieved before Utah even cracked the AP poll for the first time.

    In the 21st century,

    BYU had more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons from 2006 to 2009,

    than the sorry Utes have had in their entire history.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    @ skywalker,

    Thanks again for your copy-n-paste of the 20th century "analog era" BYu football awards kind sir. However, you forgot to post the Heismans, Doaks, Outlands, O'Briens, etc........? Keep on your game dear soul!

    How are things going in the 21st century and this decade in particular? Are you thrilled about the "latter-days" of BYu D1 sports.......? The end is near........

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    U-H Alum

    "The U of U is in the greatest all-around collegiate conference in the world.......no close second at ALL!"

    Remind us the last time Utah's men won a national championship.

    Utah's only "contributions" in terms of national championships are in a coed sport which has so pathetically little competition that the national championship meet is literally nothing more than a tri-meet between Denver, Colorado and Utah.

    The Utes are the epitome of coat tail riders, glomming onto the accomplishments of schools like Stanford, UCLA and USC who do the bulk of the heavy lifting in winning championships in sports in which there is real competition.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 28, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    uteBusters - Park City, UT
    May 28, 2019 8:48 a.m.
    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “Please move on BYU. We are don't care one iota...”

    Says THE most BYU-obsessed fan on the planet.

    LOL!

    --------------

    Says THE "fan" who uses MULTIPLE screen names to "Like" his own posts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 28, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    Striker - Omaha, NE
    May 27, 2019 3:19 p.m.
    littleology,

    "BYU got pounded by #116 San Diego, lost to #208 Illinois State, #182 Weber State, #159 UNLV. "

    That makes Utah's loss to them really bad doesn't it! You just put your foot in your mouth.

    ------------------

    No it does not.

    Do you not understand how rankings work?

    #89 BYU was a bad loss BUT losing to #208 was a REALLY a bad loss.

    Have one of your Cougar buddies explain it to you.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    @ cityboy,

    Utah seldom loses instate recruits to any other school in Utah. The great players from Utah predominantly go to Utah, the PAC-12 and the SEC. Some great recruits who play basketball, like Frank Jackson a few years back, head to the ACC or SEC.

    Utah is talked about on the national stage, unlike any other school in Utah these days.

    Bottom line sir and a fact.......The U of U is in the greatest all-around collegiate conference in the world.......no close second at ALL!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 28, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    U-H alum

    BYU's best STILL CRUSHES Utah's best

    BYU 1979-1984 vs Utah 2003-2008

    Year by Year
    #13/#11 BYU 11-1 vs #21/#21 Utah 10-2
    #12/#12 BYU 12-1 vs #4/#5 Utah 12-0
    #13/#11 BYU 11-2 vs unranked Utah 7-5
    unranked BYU 8-4 vs unranked Utah 8-5
    #7/#7 BYU 11-1 vs unranked Utah 9-4
    #1/#1 BYU 13-0 vs #2/#4 Utah 13-0

    Overall
    BYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16

    Top 12 Finishes
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    Consensus National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked #1 in AP
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked in AP
    BYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 = 58
    Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 = 35

    —-

    BYU is a member of the club - Consensus National Champions and Heisman Trophy winners

    Utah is still nothing more than an obscure poll wannabe.

  • fakenews Layton, UT
    May 28, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “Please move on BYU! We are don't care one iota!”

    Who appointed U hall monitor?

    The state of Utah is doing just fine without U.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY St George, UT
    May 28, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    So many comments from people who could care less about UTAH! Thank you for taking the time to let everyone know that you could care less about UTAH. Rent free! Go Utes!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 28, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    In mathematics there is a concept of reducing fractions to the lowest common denominator. That is exactly what Mr. Sorensen is proposing with requiring Utah to play all the other Utah schools.
    Rather than recognizing the importance of Utah being in the PAC-12 and the state reaping the benefits, this proposal would attempt to put all the schools in the same basket. Think of the results if all the universities in the state were in comparable mid-level conferences (oh, yes, and an independent) rather than having one in a top 5 "power" conference.
    Finding the lowest common denominator may have some merit in mathematics but absolutely none in competitive athletics. For those in agreement with Mr. Sorensen, give it a rest!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    @ Ute Busters,

    How is that "LEGACY" cougie football team faring vs Utah these days my friend? Do ya thunk ya have even a chance against the loaded Utes @ LES in August? BWAHAHA!

    "Welcome back to the "leather helmet" era again BYu".......signed, Utah football.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    May 28, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    There is an old adage that has application in Utah’s situation: “It is better that everyone think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

    Utah fans tout the vast superiority that they believe is inherent (and the respect that they believe is due) from simply being in the PAC-12. The illusion of this superiority would vanish if they were to play and lose to other in-state schools.

    The ramifications would be bad. Utah would lose in-state recruits. Fans would further question the value of retaining Krysko (already the 11th highest paid NCAA basketball coach) when he can’t even win in-state games.

    The in-state scheduling thing for Utah comes down to two things: 1) risk/reward; and 2) the need to perpetuate and not destroy the illusion of Utah superiority.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    May 28, 2019 8:48 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “Please move on BYU. We are don't care one iota...”

    Says THE most BYU-obsessed fan on the planet.

    LOL!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    May 28, 2019 8:41 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 6:02 a.m.
    “I totally agree with "Who am I sir." The U of Utah is in the big time folks and one of only a handful of positive qualities/attributes about the state of Utah in the eyes of our nation/world. The others being............Utah Jazz, skiing/outdoor recreations, national/state parks and the Sundance Film Festival. All citizens of Utah should support the positive future of the PAC-12 U of U.”

    bwahaha 🤣

    The mind-numbingly, big headed Utes are only the 4th best team in the state and have been owned by BYU for over a decade, losing 13 of the last 17 to the Cougars, most by double digits, including the last 2.

    U couldn’t even make it past the 1st round of the pathetically weak PAC 12, which lost 10 of 17 to the WCC in 2018-19.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    I think all Utes should contact Utah AD Mark Harlan and demand that he curtails football games scheduled vs BYu in 2023-24. There is NO buy-out clause for Utah in that contract. We desperately need to improve our OOC football schedule. DROP BYu NOW!

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    Please move on BYu! We are don't care one iota!

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    A lot of words in this opinion article. And yet none of them articulated a REASON the Utes should play more in state games.

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2019 7:57 a.m.

    Couldn't care less about the utes in any sport. On a national level no one else cares either.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 28, 2019 7:52 a.m.

    The article and ensuing comments leave no question as to who is looked at as the big brother...across the board...in all sports. Go Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 28, 2019 6:02 a.m.

    I totally agree with "Who am I sir." The U of Utah is in the big time folks and one of only a handful of positive qualities/attributes about the state of Utah in the eyes of our nation/world. The others being............Utah Jazz, skiing/outdoor recreations, national/state parks and the Sundance Film Festival. All citizens of Utah should support the positive future of the PAC-12 U of U.

    It is a great feeling being a Utah grad these days indeed! Gooooooooo Utes!

  • SFSteveS SF, CA
    May 28, 2019 5:22 a.m.

    Not only do I see no need I strongly see it as a huge step backwards. We spent a lot of time and energy seeking to gain wider respect in the collegiate athletic world and just as we're on the verge of achieving that, why on Earth would we want to revert to parochialism ??

  • PDN SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 28, 2019 5:03 a.m.

    This Ute fan would welcome basketball games against USU, Weber, UVU and SUU. If Utah is going to play a non-D1 school, it should schedule Dixie and Westminster. I could care less if Utah plays BYU, although I understand Utah's legislature will punish Utah if it does not play BYU on an annual basis. Utah's OOC schedule the past few years has done nothing to encourage attendance and attendance and atmosphere at most OOC games are pathetic. Utah's first priority is the PAC 12, but unlike football, where there are only 3 OOC games, basketball has about 10. Certainly there is room on the schedule every year for a couple of in-State games. Maybe if the Utes schedule the in-State games they can do away with the games at the Vivint Smart Home Arena and return them to campuses where they belong. Rotate USU and BYU home and away every year. Have one of either Weber, UVU or SUU on the schedule every year. My guess is that interest will increase. I mean, who is really interested in games against College of Idaho, Mississippi Valley State, Maine, Tulsa, Florida A&M and NAU. Replace College of Idaho w/ Westminster or Dixie, NAU with UVU, Weber or SUU and Maine or Tulsa with USU.

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    May 28, 2019 12:19 a.m.

    Utah Chickens. I have degrees from both BYU and Utah. They should play every year on an equal footing.

    Quite frankly, USU has risen up as of late, and deserves the same.

    For the other teams, make them come to Logan, SLC, or Provo for a payday game. Maybe give Weber State a 3 for 1 deal.

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    May 27, 2019 11:06 p.m.

    I do find it interesting that the fans of one school, who are always claiming Coack K should fight his own battles, are the first ones to run to big daddy (the state legislature) when he wants to quit playing them and cry about how mean is is to them. It seems that the one team with a buring desire to play Utah on a yearly basis has chosen to set themselves up for failure by going it alone through arrogance and overconfidence, and now wants someone to bail them out. One has to wonder why the Utah government chose to pressure a government sponsored school to play a religious school, instead of another government sponsored school in the same state.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 27, 2019 7:10 p.m.

    The state of Utah would be better represented if in-state schools weren't beating up on each other.

    The state of Texas has become civilized since Texas and Texas A&M don't play each other.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 27, 2019 6:48 p.m.

    "Time for Utes to start playing in-state schools on a regular basis"

    No, Mr. Sorensen, it's time the state of Utah , the Utah media, the politicians, and the general population realize that the University of Utah is a member of the PAC-12! A conference is that is one of two that standout both as an athletic conference and academically, a conference of the world's top universities.

    The state should be united in doing all it can to promote this alliance and to reap the benefits.

    On this particular subject the conference is increasing the number of in-conference games and setting much higher requirements to promote a higher standard for conference members to increase the quality of opponents. Your position on Utah playing all instate teams is in direct conflict with the conference position. If you want all teams to play each other every year and Utah to play the winner of that competition - that is something to consider. Otherwise, Utah must do all possible to excel and enhance to reputation of the PAC-12 conference.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 6:02 p.m.

    Pugman - Tremonton, UT "@soonerute As far as football is concerned the U and UCLA led the Pac last year in targeting calls"
    Hate to use the well worn Cougar excuse for "bad call", but the NCAA is changing the targeting rule for 2019. That should clean things up.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 5:44 p.m.

    The Runnin' Utes should do what is best for their program. So should both of our little blue brothers in Provo and Logan as well as the Thunderbirds and Wildcats. PERIOD! Writers like Mike Sorensen are welcome to their opinion, but he wants those games because they become easy for him and others to write about. There's always some "catch" about second cousins playing for players having sisters-in-law.

    Plans like this are never about getting as many Utah teams as possible to the Big Dance, yet that is exactly what AD's and coaches are about. Leave the scheduling to the professionals.

    Yes, there's a Big 5 in Philly, where Nova, St. Joe's, Temple, LaSalle and Penn all play each other, but all those schools are in the same city, not spread out by hundreds of miles as in Utah.

    Ignore the ignorant comments about who is "afraid" and who is the 5th best team, or the 4th best team or any such nonsense. Every year things change, players graduate, transfer, go on missions or are redshirted. Last year is meaningless, and the coming year is unknown until it happens.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    There’s no reason why the 4th best team in the state shouldn’t be playing USU, BYU, WSU home and home yearly; and UVU occasionally.

    The Utes are simply too scared of getting their feelings hurt to play in Logan, Ogden, Orem and Provo.

    Safety first!

  • Eddie Would Go , 00
    May 27, 2019 3:38 p.m.

    Sorensen says: "Not only would those games bring in more fans from those schools, it would heighten interest among the Ute faithful to be playing an in-state opponent featuring Utah kids."

    Therein lies the rub. Just because Sorensen, and others, say that the Ute faithful want to see these games, many of us don't miss them.

    It's frustrating being told that I am supposed to want to see these games...

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 27, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    They won't do it because it would put more games in the loss column.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 27, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    littleology,

    "BYU got pounded by #116 San Diego, lost to #208 Illinois State, #182 Weber State, #159 UNLV. "

    That makes Utah's loss to them really bad doesn't it! You just put your foot in your mouth.

  • BYUSU , 00
    May 27, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    USU finished last year ranked higher than Utah in both Football and Basketball. Maybe it's USU that don't have anything to gain by playing Utah. Even if Utah acts like just being in the mighty PAC 11+u makes them a better team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 27, 2019 1:37 p.m.

    BlueMoonOden - Hinckley, IL
    May 27, 2019 12:01 p.m.
    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    That's funny. BYU, the alleged number one team in the State of Utah lost to the 5th best team in the State of Indiana.

    And Utah lost by 22 to Northwestern who finished in the Big Ten cellar.

    -----

    Northwestern is ranked #88.

    BYU got pounded by #116 San Diego, lost to #208 Illinois State, #182 Weber State, #159 UNLV.

    Utah's worse losses were to #192 Hawaii and #92 Arizona and #89 BYU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 27, 2019 1:15 p.m.

    Utah should do what is in it's best interests.

    In football, we should never schedule 2 in State games. We should rotate playing BYU/Utah State and add an annual P5 OOC game.

    In basketball, the OCC is improving, we just need to add a rotating game with Utah State/Weber State/Souther Utah.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 27, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    Why is it always BYU fans crying about scheduling games with Utah?
    I don't see hardly anything from USU, WSU & SUU fans.

    Move along. We have something else to play for now. There are plenty of schools who might sign a 5 for 1 deal with BYU. The only clout you have is riding the coattails of Gonzaga.

  • Flipphone , 00
    May 27, 2019 12:24 p.m.

    Utah is in the pac 12 and should compete with Schools of that caliper.

  • Pasta Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    Because Larry K is scared. He just wants easy money and he’s getting it. Overpaid and underperforming.

  • BlueMoonOden Hinckley, IL
    May 27, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    That's funny. BYU, the alleged number one team in the State of Utah lost to the 5th best team in the State of Indiana.

    And Utah lost by 22 to Northwestern who finished in the Big Ten cellar.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    May 27, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    "pacmidmajor - Springville, UT
    May 27, 2019 10:36 a.m.
    The 5th best Basketball team in the state of Utah is not going to start playing any more teams from the State just to take on more losses .... not going to happen ...."

    That's funny. BYU, the alleged number one team in the State of Utah lost to the 5th best team in the State of Indiana.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 27, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    No Navel, you are wrong about the cancelation. He admitted it was about the intensity and HIS own inability to stay in control. Stop with the "BYU dirty play" already. Players get heated and do stupid things. It's a good thing that the Utes are in the PAC 12, if you have watched any other P 5 conference and especially the BIG 10, you'd realize that stuff happens all the time, but no coaches are cancelling games because of it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 27, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    At Water Rocket

    Get your facts straight, Utah is 2-3 versus Gonzaga all time. When you pop off and say that Utah has never beat Gonzaga without doing any research your credibility goes right down the drain. Good grief

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 27, 2019 10:59 a.m.

    Yeah, should Utah football and Red Rocks gymnastics be mandated by politics to sell out the only two sports that can do that in those respective athletic events at BYU? Is the whY competitive vs Utah......oh my.....NO! Heck, Utah is the ONLY team that can sell-out LES. And, Y gymnastics has to compete vs Utah in the BYu Marionette Center when the traveling sea of crimson always sells out that venue. Otherwise, Y gymnastics meets NEVER sell out any other meet at the tiny JS Field House.

    Boo Bye BYu! Goooooo Utes!

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    I'm fine with Utah playing Utah State home and home in BB and an occasional home game against the others if prevents another biased audit.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    May 27, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    Uh alum... 15 out of the last 18 soon to be 16 out of the last 19 ... I agree you you my friend ... no need for the Cougs to play the u as they have nothing to gain by another win but everything thing to lose if the u was actually able to upset the Cougs ...

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    May 27, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    The 5th best Basketball team in the state of Utah is not going to start playing any more teams from the State just to take on more losses .... not going to happen ....

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    May 27, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    @soonerute
    As far as football is concerned the U and UCLA led the Pac last year in targeting calls, so I hope you forgive me when I laugh at your hypocrisy when you stand on your soap box and preach clean play.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 27, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    Utah should keep doing what's best for Utah, not what's best for journalists or other schools.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 27, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    “Each school should do what is best for them.”

    rfmac:

    Indeed!

    But at least one school, and its fans and media, think that what’s best for them is for every other school to accomodate them.

  • rfrmac South Jordan, UT
    May 27, 2019 9:41 a.m.

    I don't see any reason for Utah to play BYU in either basketball or football. Sorry Mike, none of the Utah schools owe anything to each other. Each school should do what is best for them.

  • water rocket , 00
    May 27, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    I read all of these comments and most of them were very good, both for and against in-state games. HOWEVER, the one thing I did not see in any of these comments is the fact that the PAC12 mandates that ALL of the games their member teams play MUST use PAC12 officiating. In football, this is the single reason Texas used when they refused to play any PAC12 schools any more. I am not sure how much of a difference it makes to play with officials you are familiar with, or if officials tend to be biased in making (or not making) calls.

    I also find it interesting that BYU beats Utah, that Gonzaga has never lost to Utah, and that USU ans UVU have upped their games, and are more competitive.

    It has been mentioned on this comment board that Utah has "nothing to gain", which implies that they have something to lose if any of the in-state teams beat them. But that is precisely we play the game, isn't it? Besides, we "locals" deserve to see the teams we root for play the teams we don't root for, just for the bragging rights for that season.

    As for the "cheap shots" and bad sportsmanship, well that goes both ways when you have competitive players. One coach doesn't have sportsmanship

  • ulrichida Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 9:24 a.m.

    BYU and Utah should not play each other until the fans (and some players) can enjoy competition without being vile, vulgar, dirty and uncivil towards one another. Each team seems to be able to play other competitors, where the stakes are higher (such as a conference championship), and be emotionally invested without being downright ugly. But this cannot be said of the BYU/Utah game. I think coach Krystkowiak was right in his effort to discontinue the series. There are many of us who would like the game to return to a hard-fought contest between high-character teams who show the best of sportsmanship. And then there are the knuckle-draggers who just live in an angry world...

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 27, 2019 9:03 a.m.

    @ERB,

    No need to come back, it appears you are fitting in just fine with the coogs. We wish you well. 👍

  • Laxman Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    There is a big reason to play out of state schools each year. It is called recruiting! Kids from within the state can watch Utah play all they want. By traveling to Arizona, California and other states is show our brand of basketball. We brought in Timmy Allen from Arizona didn’t we! Nobody wants to talk about the obvious reason for playing out of states schools. Sorensen needs to move on. Everyone needs to grow up and move on from this.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 27, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    @cityslicker...
    The incentive is simply being able to avoid the sense of entitlement displayed by the fans in provo. You are a prime example of that little brother attitude 😉

    I really don't have any objection to the Utes helping out Weber, UVU, USU or SUU from time to time, as the fanbases from those schools area much more civil and realistic.
    Am I right?

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 27, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    Ok, I’ll say it. I hate Coach K. I grew up in Salt Lake, and we had season tickets to the U every year. I went to the U my freshman year, and finished college at BYU. My first year at BYU, I realized I was cheering for Utah, while in the BYU student section.
    Coach K has ruined the whole rivalry. His brashness and his lack of class have made me not watch Utah basketball the last 5 or so year for the first time in 52 years for me. Now, he can’t even beat BYU, and makes excuses for why he’s better than BYU. This rivalry is more than just you Coach. For probably hundreds of thousands of fans in both sides it’s a huge deal. But Coach K has made it about Coach K. Once he’s fired, I’ll be back as a Utah hoops fan. Til then, I’ll have more free time on Saturday nights.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 27, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    I'd like to see Utah completely drop "needy" BYu, rekindle our ONLY instate football rivalry with Utah State 4 games/decade and play other "state" schools ONLY once in a while. As far as other sports.....I want to schedule instate "state" schools only and sparingly.

    We Utes are in the big time, well-deserved in fact and should schedule to our benefit most always, but support games vs state schools when we can.

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • BAKC Litchfield Park, AZ
    May 27, 2019 8:28 a.m.

    @THEREALND

    I like the idea - so BYu would get 2 W’s in the win column for beating uTAH...maybe that helps push them over the top to qualify for the dance.

    That coach who has feared playing these in state schools makes more money than any of the other coaches- maybe he should start earning that money.

  • CO Ute , 00
    May 27, 2019 8:12 a.m.

    Personally I am not convinced but Mr. Sorenson’s Comment that he has spoken to other schools and they are willing to play only road games against Utah. If so, why not add Weber State and UVU to the schedule.
    For Utah State, it would be a good idea to start up the home and home series again.
    For BYU, it would be worth a shot to try this again now that Coach Rose is gone and maybe Pope will discipline his players when they get out of line. Y fans can whine all they want but year after year there were dangerous plays, mostly BYU cheap shots, when the teams played and Rose downplayed the situation and did nothing.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 27, 2019 8:03 a.m.

    This position is understandable for Sorenson as a sportswriter in Utah and all the non-Ute fans. It just flat does not make sense for the Utes to do this at all, unless other teams in Utah are willing to just play at the Huntsman Center. There is nothing at all to gain for the Utes, but only a downside. Go Red has described it perfectly in his comment earlier. You don't like it folks, I guess you'll need to go whine to your legislature representative like byu fans did.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    Mike Sorensen "The new mandate from the conference shouldn’t be a hindrance, as most of the in-state schools are usually ranked in the top 175."
    It is OK to name names. Which Utah schools do not meet the 5-year average in the top 175 requirement? "most" and "usually" are tough to schedule around.

    ute alumni "Lawrence has made it clear, he fears for his players’ safety."
    Just as Sheriff Sitake cleaned up dirty play from his predecessor, we should see improvement with new coach Pope holding players accountable for their actions.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    May 27, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    Playing BYU this year, is a "2-for-1". You get credit for playing BYU and UVU by playing just one game.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    May 27, 2019 7:49 a.m.

    Since few of the Utah teams ever qualify for a postseason tournament, why not have them have their own tournament in March.

    I’m sure ESPN would pick it up in a flash.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 27, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    “Last NCAA tournament win by school:
    Utah 2015
    BYU 2011*
    Utah State 2001
    Weber State 1999
    SUU - No wins in NCAA tournament
    UVU - No NCAA tournament appearances

    *BYU also did beat a 14 seed in the first four in 2012 if you want to count that.”

    It s/b noted, in nearly 40 years usu has precisely 1 Tourney W to their credit.

    Oh, & since ‘82, byu-p has precisely 1 Sweet 16 appearance & that’s it.

    Go Utes!

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 27, 2019 6:56 a.m.

    @Aggies

    Here is further proof why it does not help much to play in state teams. The teams that have actually done something somewhat recently in the tournament should get byes in the proposed in-state tournament.

    Last NCAA tournament win by school:
    Utah 2015
    BYU 2011*
    Utah State 2001
    Weber State 1999
    SUU - No wins in NCAA tournament
    UVU - No NCAA tournament appearances

    *BYU also did beat a 14 seed in the first four in 2012 if you want to count that.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    May 27, 2019 6:15 a.m.

    I don't understand this infatuation with trying to make sure all the teams in Utah play each other taken to the point that someone is actually keeping score and counting how often it happens. I thought that the Beehive Classic was the solution to this problem. It insures that there are in-state match-ups every year.

    I am a little familiar with basketball in Indiana. Ball State & Indiana State aren't complaining about not playing IU, Purdue, Butler or Notre Dame every year. Of those teams, only Purdue and IU play every year because they are both in the same conference.

    In Michigan, the same holds true. Eastern, Western and Central Michigan aren't playing Michigan or Michigan State every year.

    Illinois isn't playing Southern Illinois, Illinois State, Nortern Illinois, Loyola or DePaul every year.

    Maybe the Utah Legislature should get involved if this is such a problem.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    May 27, 2019 5:35 a.m.

    Outside of Utah no one cares about these rivalries. That’s true.

    And Outside of Utah no one cares about the Utes either.

    I think it’s hilarious how the Utes think they are magically a national program because they are in the PAC 12.

    BYU is still more known nationally and BYU will always be big brother in this state.

    Regardless of football win streaks or conference affiliation the Utes are still just the Utes.

  • Spoons lake tahoe, NV
    May 27, 2019 12:36 a.m.

    This has been discussed.

    Weber State, UVU and USU want home and home. As a PAC 12 school Utah does not need to travel. Utah would play any of these teams in the Huntsman Center, but won’t travel to play them. Utah doesn’t go play Delta State on a return trip. Utah makes more money to bring in a team to beat and paying out then making a return trip. It’s all money driven.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    May 26, 2019 11:55 p.m.

    @ KimmyP & UtahBlueDevil,
    And remind me what the incentive is for Utah to play Northern Arizona, Grand Canyon and Hawaii was in lieu of the in-state schools.

    Your arguments don’t hold water.

    The Utes certainly keep runnin’.

  • The Trooper Riverton, UT
    May 26, 2019 11:44 p.m.

    It's not good for recruiting to lose to the in state teams. Utah's basketball program is somewhat of a dumpster fire and it likely won't get better until they get rid of coach K. They can't afford to buy out his ridiculous contract so they are stuck.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 26, 2019 11:42 p.m.

    kfbob:

    Everybody knows why Krystkowiak opted to cancel the ybU-p game. And it wasn't due to fear of losing. It was due to the cougars' "tradition" of poor sportsmanship, and Rose's unwillingness to do anything about it.

    I wouldn't mind seeing periodic Home-&-Home games vs. Utah St. The Aggies are a classy bunch, and the Spectrum is a fantastic arena. As for the rest of the instate teams, I say go ahead and play them every year they agree to play that game at the JHC. I don't believe that it'll fill the arena more than any other non-conference opponent, but hey, more Home games = more Basketball revenue. Even when the JHC doesn't sell out.

    I have to agree with Sorenson that there's no point in in playing teams like Mississippi Valley St, Savannah St, and Florida A&M, so definitely bump those teams off our schedules. If we want to play Miss St, Ole' Miss, S Miss, UGa, Ga Tech, Fla, Miami, and Fla St, then by all means, do so! I'll applaud THAT non-conference schedule.

    GO UTES!!!

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    May 26, 2019 10:53 p.m.

    There is little advantage in playing Utah teams - no one outside of Utah really cares. It's not going to bring many new eyeballs to the games (and dollars), And at the end of the day, thats what these programs are looking for.... improved revenue for their sports programs. As much as I would love to see an annual Utah versus USU game..... it doesn't make much financial sense.

    I would love to see the instate teams play each other more, particularly like the idea of an instate preseason tournament for all the teams to warm up with. That might draw a bigger regional audience.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 26, 2019 10:22 p.m.

    What is the incentive for Big Brother to play the little brothers in Utah? What's in it for the Utes? If the other teams want to play in the Huntsman Center each time, okay. But, bring along a sizable check when they show up.

  • Aggies#1 MURRAY, UT
    May 26, 2019 10:15 p.m.

    @ Rico
    If anyone deserves a bye it is Utah State! Why give a bye to the 3rd maybe 4th team in state? Go Aggies!

  • Aggies#1 MURRAY, UT
    May 26, 2019 9:31 p.m.

    I agree that coach K needs to man up!
    Why the fear of playing in state games! ? Go Aggies!

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 26, 2019 9:29 p.m.

    Just commit two 2 games per year.
    Make it a true tournament every year at Jazz arena.

    First Round (rotates between these 4):
    UVU vs WSU
    USU vs SUU

    Utah and BYU have byes in first round every year (if you want them to play in tournament you will have to do this).

    Second Round (rotates)
    Utah vs UVU/WSU
    BYU vs USU/SUU

    Third Round
    Winners of two second round games play head-to-head for 1st place
    Losers of two second round games play head-to-head for 3rd place

    Then every team in Utah has opportunity to play Utah. (if they didn't win first round they have nothing to complain about).

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    But here’s the deal, Sorensen. Utah is in the unique situation where, since they’ve joined a very high profile conference, there has been a large amount of jealousy targeted their way from other local schools, especially from Provo. As a result, Utah too often finds themselves in the no-win position where if they win the game, other schools will say they were supposed to. They even get razzed and made fun of for not winning by a larger amount. And when they lose, there is no end to the razzing and derogatory remarks from the opposing fan bases, saying they (Utah) doesn’t belong in the PAC-12, etc.

    When a team schedules a game against an opposing school, there has to be something to gain when they win. Even the opposing local schools and fan bases would have to admit that there is very little, if anything, that Utah has to gain from playing the local teams.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 26, 2019 8:49 p.m.

    Don't see much sense in rivalries.

    Just causes bitterness!

  • RDH South Jordan, UT
    May 26, 2019 7:26 p.m.

    Mike so true.

    It is time for Utah to play those close to you. If that only leaves you 5 or 6 games then you have 3 road and 3 home against the Power 6 conferences. The excuses like we are young and others needs to stop. Of course it would always help if the turnover of players was not as great as it as been the past 8 years.

    You go to Logan and play that will well prepare you for Arizona, Oregon and Washington who Utah does not fair to well against on the road.

  • kfbob Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2019 6:07 p.m.

    Krysto doesn’t want to lose to instate teams, that is why he tried to cancel the BYU series. I understand the sentiment getting beat by a WAC school or a Big Sky school really sucks, but hey you’re making $3.5 million, it’s time to man up.