Morning links: National writer defends BYU's football schedule; Joe Ingles wants Spida on Team USA

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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 31, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    You really haven't followed recruiting have you?

    The last 4 recruiting cycles, from 2016, 17', 18', and 19' respectively:

    USC = #10, #4, #4, #20
    Oregon = #21, #19, #13, #7 (definitely trending the right way)
    Washington = #28, #22, #16, #16
    Stanford = #16, #14, #30, #21

    All 4 averaging top 20 with USC avg. top 10 and Oregon avg. top 15. (UCLA averaged #23 over the last 4 yrs too)

    I'd say the PAC 12 is doing just fine on the recruiting front. Given the blue bloods are going to be ranked high every yr. Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, Texas, Michigan, Oklahoma, LSU, Florida, Notre Dame, etc.

    And with new coaches that are good, expect an upswing. In fact, expect it this yr.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 30, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    Dmanfam (4 of 4):

    “At least Byu helps out your sos since byu’s is stronger this year and many in the past.”

    Once again, your SOS isn’t stronger now, nor had it been in any season since 2011. In fact, the last couple of seasons saw Utah’s SOS drop immediately after having played the indy-WACers. In every season however, immediately after the “Holy War”, the tdS’ SOS went up. So it’s WE who improve YOUR SOS year after year. Not the other way around. Is there no lie you won’t tell?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 30, 2019 9:36 a.m.

    Dmanfam (3 of 4):

    “I've been almost everywhere and trust me when I tell you, Byu is a household name across the country and have the respect of those fans and conferences.”

    I’ve been almost everywhere, and trust me when I tell YOU, you sound like somebody who’d never left the state of Utah, except for MAYBE to go on a mission. The only people I’d ever met outside of Utah who revere ybU-p are cougar alumni in my ward/stake. Nobody else.

    “Sorry but the truth hurts”

    It obviously seems to be smarting you something fierce. Otherwise, why boasting with all those lies?

    “Sos: definition: what the Utes use as a shield of defense for the lack of performance on the field.”

    You ARE aware that it hasn’t been US who’ve been failing to perform on the field, aren’t you little bro? We’ve managed to finish the season ranked thrice since joining the Pac-12. You all have managed none during this time. We’ve won more bowl games. We’ve beaten more ranked teams. We’ve put more of our alumni into the NFL. There’s no question that the tougher your SOS, the higher the probability of a loss, but we HAVE been performing better on the field than you all have. Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 30, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    Dmanfam (2 of 4):
    “That's pretty sad to be arguing about strength of schedule when you're in the worst p5 in all the land.”

    On the contrary my teeny-tiny, ankle-biting little bro, what’s “pretty sad”, is trash talking a league whom you all had spent 3 decades desperately trying [albeit failing spectacularly] to join, and one in whom you have a miserable record against this century (13-21, .382).

    “All Byu tries to do is play the best of the best. Unlike the mighty Utes who always play some of the worst teams they absolutely know they can beat.”

    Your annual weak SOS powderpuff schedules prove otherwise, whereas OUR annual strong SOS similarly refutes your uber desperate, frantic and emotional assertion. I can’t recall ever seeing as many fact-free, frantic and emotional outbursts in a single post.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 30, 2019 9:36 a.m.

    Dmanfam (1 of 4):

    "The mountain West is actually nipping at the pac's demise since expansion."

    No they're not. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    "Please, please please try to understand that affiliation in the worst of the P5's gives you no credibility whatsoever, especially dealing with scheduling."

    Yes it does. Just look at your record vs. the Pac-10/12. Edge: Pac-10/12. Case closed.

    "Byu's schedule is just plain stronger than your mighty Utes.”

    No it’s not. You just made THAT up too. How doubly frantic and emotional of you.

    “People outside of the state still consider you as a bottom dweller in the pac 12.”

    No they don’t. You just made THAT up as well. How triply frantic and emotional of you. People outside the state of Utah consider us to be the reigning Pac-12 South champions, preseason favorite to repeat, and a Top-25 team in most every preseason poll. It’s ybU-p that nobody respects.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 29, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    CougsnTeamB:

    Just so you know, you're wasting your breath here. Everybody knows that you're not really a UGa fan. You're just an uber embarrassed cougar fan, who feels he can't show his face around these parts, unless he can dupe folks into believing that he's a fan of some OTHER team -- one that's actually relevant. But your strategy will always be a fail. Because just as Penn State fans don't hover around Utah periodicals, neither do Georgia fans.

    Let that sink in a little bro. Penn St, Arizona St, and Ohio St have the nation's largest alumni. So they're everywhere. Including Georgia. So how many of these three alumni feel compelled to log into Georgia periodicals? Even moreso, how many of their alumni feel compelled to log onto Georgia periodicals...

    ...to talk about any team from Utah?

    Yeah. You're so very busted. How embarrassing for you.

    Wrecked "outted" indy-WACer.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 28, 2019 10:34 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    What do the PAC 12 failures have to do with BYU? Great question. And you'd think nothing at all.

    But....

    Look in the mirror and ask yourself and your brethren in blue why they feel the need to constantly rip on the PAC12? Analyze the PAC12, share articles about the PAC12, etc.

    VERY often comments are made about them being terrible, the worst in the P5, shouldn't even be a P5, etc.

    Ironically, the folks making those comments are in NO conference and can't seem to beat the conference they are ripping on.

    I get that it's the conference Utah is in. So, BYU fans need to minimize it. Make it look bad, etc.

    Fact is, the irony is that they are a P5 conf. BYU isn't. And BYU has no place to rip on this conf. for being bad, because that would make them terrible, given the current record. But that doesn't stop them.

    The irony is definitely lost on commenting BYU fans.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 28, 2019 7:36 p.m.

    Article quote: "Of the local teams, BYU's schedule appears to be the hardest at No. 16.
    Utah State (No. 57) and Utah (No. 63) are middle of the pack, according to CBS Sports' Tom Fornelli."

    Whoops!, that has clearly damaged Utah and USU's arrogance.

    And, as expected, the usual Utah-ites are making sure we all know how "irrelevant" BYU is and how awesome they are. SMH.....

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 28, 2019 3:49 p.m.

    Arizona:
    "It's also soooo ironic when a BYU fan rips on the PAC12, given BYU's recent record against them."

    And what, exactly, do the Pac12's failures have to do with BYU? You, of all people, know I'm not a "blue bubble" guy. I'm a lifetime SEC and P5 fan...I'm under no delusions what BYU's failures are and I'd be happy to address those with you. But you know what's REALLY ironic, is that U fans "don't care about BYU", have "moved on" but then always talk about BYU's problems as if that somehow mitigates your conference's very real public image problem...and no CFP problem, and smaller revenue problem, and conference network problem, etc, etc.

    I'm happy to own BYU's (and UGA's) failures if you have that much time...heck I'll even talk about some of the dumb things the SEC has done. It's time for U to own your conference's failures and be objective about some very real issues facing them right now.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 28, 2019 3:38 p.m.

    Arizona:
    "To suggest the PAC 12 isn't trending up is like suggesting BYU isn't either."

    What are you talking about? I don't speak for other Y fans but I've never suggested BYU was trending up. So...

    As I stated to Uteology, the first place to look at trends are in recruiting. When the SEC East was struggling a few years back, no one panicked because they were still recruiting at an elite level ('16- UGA 6th, UF 12th, UT 14th). So different coaches, different schemes would be all that was necessary...and sure enough.

    The Pac12 south recruiting is definitely trending down (USC was 20th, UCLA was 41st). If Helton can figure out how to get the most out of his 2018 recruiting class, great...but where is evidence of that (there were 5* QBs and WRs that were freshman leading their teams to div/conf/national titles last yr and yr before)? Even more disturbing than their rankings, was their player avg (an abysmal 85 for UCLA, and a subpar 88 for USC). I don't care how "iconic" a coach you are, you can't make something out of nothing. Kelly had success with 4-5 star guys at Oregon...he isnt getting those guys at UCLA. Same with Sumlin...he's not getting the talent he got at TAMU.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 28, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    To suggest the PAC 12 isn't trending up is like suggesting BYU isn't either.

    BYU lost, historically bad two yrs. ago. Barely made a bowl game last yr., going 6-6 in the regular season. Losing, yet again and perhaps in painful fashion to their rivals.

    Losing 15 games in 2 yrs. isn't a good trend, yet every BYU fan I know is feeling like the trend is positive.

    The PAC12 trend is positive now as well. The teams have talent and now the coaches to match.

    We will see a significant upswing with the PAC12 in the next few yrs.

    It's cyclical. No team or conf. is good at all times, in every yr., etc, etc, etc.

    It's also soooo ironic when a BYU fan rips on the PAC12, given BYU's recent record against them.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 28, 2019 12:51 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    Actually there is a LOT to suggest that the PAC12 South will be significantly improved.

    UCLA was getting much better under Chip Kelley, an iconic college coach who has a LOT of talent to work with. It's disingenuous to call them a dumpster fire if you are a BYU fan, who's team has lost 15 games in the last 2 yrs. alone.

    USC is loaded with talent and has a returning starter at QB who was a 5* talent coming out of HS (actually should have still been in HS last yr). Helton may not be the guy, but they won't be as bad as last yr. So, the trend is up for USC too.

    AZ, Sumlin is a good coach and they were definitely better at the end of the season than at the start. They are coming around and have a Sr QB who was, at one point, a Heisman candidate, and are considered by many pundits as a dark horse to win the South.

    Colorado lost 11 starter by the end of last season. They were 5-0 to start and lost Laviscus Shenault. He is back, as is a Sr. QB and some good RBs. They will be significantly improved under their 2nd yr. HC as well.

    ASU? Who knows.

    Utah is definitely trending up.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 27, 2019 12:11 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "Yes, and the same could be said of the 2018 ACC-Coastal and 2016 SEC-East."

    I don't disagree about how cyclical things are. And yes, I'm not about to defend the ACC when I make fun of them all the time on other boards. Both the Pac12 and ACC are struggling right now, but Clemson has pulled the weight for them, while no such program has stepped forward for the Pac (which you have stated before, and I don't disagree with).

    The other issue is trends. While the SEC East had some of it's worst seasons a few years back, their recruiting remained elite, and now with coaching changes, the product on the field has started matching the recruiting. The Pac12's recruiting has suffered of late, so the foundation doesn't seem as strong. In the end only time will tell, but if I were a Pac12 fan I wouldn't be comfortable with how things are trending. It starts with recruiting, and other than Oregon, the Pac12 needs to up it's game in recruiting.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 27, 2019 2:42 a.m.

    @Cougndawgs

    There is also a closer gap in rating between the MWC and Pac12 South than there is between the Pac12 South and the SEC East or West divisions. So basically the P12 South is closer to the MWC in rating than it is to the best P5 divisions. Again source: Sagarn

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    Yes, and the same could be said of the 2018 ACC-Coastal and 2016 SEC-East.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 27, 2019 2:21 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    May 25, 2019 8:09 p.m.
    Uteology:
    "* PAC-12 is better than ACC even with USC being a dumpster fire while Clemson a NC
    Source: Sagarin"

    Nope! I realize it's your MO to only give half facts or half truths, so I'm here to set the record straight. The Pac 12 South is the worst division in P5s, behind BOTH divisions of the ACC. Source: Sagarin

    The Pac12 is not considered better than the ACC according to Sagarin, because Sagarin ranks conferences by division not by the entire conference (except the Big12 of course). Those are ACTUAL facts, not crimson-tinted spin.

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    True, but where did I claim the South was better?

    Sagarin ranks divisions by central mean, it's not rocket science to figure out conference rankings.

    #4 PAC-12 NORTH 77.77
    #9 PAC-12 SOUTH 73.08

    #6 ACC-ATLANTIC 76.36
    #8 ACC-COASTAL 74.02

    My statement stands, overall the PAC-12 (75.425) is slightly better than the ACC (75.19) according to math.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 26, 2019 4:44 p.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    "It's cyclical. And the divisions will keep on changing. Maybe in 2 yrs. the PAC12 South will be the best division in the conference."

    How are you brother? Yes it's cyclical but the Pac12 isn't trending in a good direction right now. There's a reason PR firms are being hired and investors are being sought. And do you see the Pac12 south being any better this year than last year? There's nothing to suggest that's the case, but we'll see.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 26, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    It's cyclical. And the divisions will keep on changing. Maybe in 2 yrs. the PAC12 South will be the best division in the conference.

    This is what it looked like 3 yrs ago.

    SEC West
    Pac-12 North
    Pac-12 South
    Big 12
    ACC Atlantic
    Big Ten East
    ACC Coastal
    Big Ten West
    SEC East

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 26, 2019 12:11 a.m.

    @Dmanfam - Bountiful, UT

    BYU consistently loses to the worst P5 division in college football. So......... not even sure why you are commenting on it.

    BYU would finish dead last in the PAC12 South. Facts. Just because you won a game v. Arizona, doesn't mean they would finish behind BYU.

    And if the MWC is so great, then why doesn't BYU join up? Independence is definitely worse than any conference.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 25, 2019 8:09 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "* PAC-12 is better than ACC even with USC being a dumpster fire while Clemson a NC
    Source: Sagarin"

    Nope! I realize it's your MO to only give half facts or half truths, so I'm here to set the record straight. The Pac 12 South is the worst division in P5s, behind BOTH divisions of the ACC. Source: Sagarin

    The Pac12 is not considered better than the ACC according to Sagarin, because Sagarin ranks conferences by division not by the entire conference (except the Big12 of course). Those are ACTUAL facts, not crimson-tinted spin.

    P12 South- 9th (out of 9 P5 divisions)
    ACC Coastal- 8th
    ACC Atlantic- 6th
    Source: Sagarin

    There is also a closer gap in rating between the MWC and Pac12 South than there is between the Pac12 South and the SEC East or West divisions. So basically the P12 South is closer to the MWC in rating than it is to the best P5 divisions. Again source: Sagarin

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 25, 2019 7:43 p.m.

    Dmanfam:
    "Byu is a household name across the country and have the respect of those fans and conferences. The Utes unfortunatly are not. Been there and done it and it's pretty obvious that your clad iron Utes are a nobody to the rest of the country."

    I'm sorry my friend, but I grew up in the South, and nobody cares or knows much about BYU (if anything). I still have friends that work at UGA and many friends I still visit and go on vacation with, etc that are UGA fans. BYU is not a household name, trust me. Now of course neither is Utah, like you said, but as someone who has lived half his life outside the state of Utah, I hate it when BYU fans try and make it out like BYU is a big deal everywhere else. They aren't, and yes that truth hurts but it's the truth.

  • BioPowertrain Westland, MI
    May 25, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    Look, the reason BYU can't schedule anyone in November is the formula for success in college football is to win in November. So no P5 school is going to schedule a dangerous or potentially dangerous non-conference opponent in November when they already have their hands full trying to win their own conference division. The Cougs naturally belong in the PAC-12 but won't get in due to not playing on Sunday complications across all other sports, and that's that. I don't know where else BYU is gonna go unless the P5 decides to admit the MWC to their club as long as they add BYU in the deal, and that isn't happening either. We're stuck where we are and have to make the best of it, let's cheer them on thru Halloween, hope they play well and win a lot, enjoy whatever bowl we get into, stop wishing for more and move on to other pursuits once November comes around. Sorry but that's it, we're done unless we sue the PAC-12 or P5 to gain admittance to varsity college football and win the lawsuit.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 25, 2019 5:07 p.m.

    @Dmanfam - Bountiful, UT

    Utes use SOS post season. BYU talks about it preseason.

    Dick Harmon proclaimed the 2018 Wisconsin win to be the the biggest program history, proclaimed as a headline in this very news outlet.

    BYU fans have typically jumped the gun on these types of things. We get it. Anything to seem relevant.

    Wisconsin didn't finish ranked, BYU's SOS is rarely even close to what the preseason folks proclaim.

    If it is that hard, them BYU may not go bowling.

    BYU has lost 15 games in just the last 2 seasons. Think about it. Against final SOS's in 80s or nearing the 70's (SOS of #82 in 2017, SOS of #69 in 2018).

    If BYU truly suddenly plays the #16 SOS in the nation? They won't win 6 games.

  • Robroy Salt Lake City, UT
    May 25, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    Kaysville Cougar,

    Nope, the sad thing is that those folks are in their 60s. Pathetic.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 25, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    @Dmanfam Coog - Bountiful, UT
    May 25, 2019 8:07 a.m.
    Azute:
    Uteology:

    This is absolutely hilarious. Ute fans showing up all over another coug article. This time about scheduling? Really? I heard on local radio the other day about how far back the pac12 is from every single p5 conferences by far. The mountain West is actually nipping at the pac's demise since expansion. Please, please please try to understand that affiliation in the worst of the P5's gives you no credibility whatsoever, especially dealing with scheduling.

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    I don't doubt you heard fake news on BYU boards.

    Here's the facts:

    * PAC-12 is better than ACC even with USC being a dumpster fire while Clemson a NC
    Source: Sagarin

    * Utah's Credibility:
    #6 CFP rankings
    #12 CFP/playoff berth.
    That puts Utah 3rd in P12.
    Source: College Football Playoff Committee

    * CFP era Utah is #25 nationally
    Source: AP and Sagarin

    * 2018 Utah SOS: #26
    Source: Sagarin

    * 2019 Utah is considered a top 15 team.
    Source: All preseason polls

    Please take the time to consume the truth instead of alternative facts found on BYU boards.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 25, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    If Phil Steele had made a comment like this concerning byu, then you might think it was worth considering. With this unknown alleged national football writer, who gives it one iota of credence? No one outside of the byu true believers.

  • Dmanfam Bountiful, UT
    May 25, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    3 conference champions out of over 100,? Wow, here Ute fans are having a fit over the fact byu's schedule is considered stronger than the utes? Try winning the weakest p5 conference in all the land and then we can talk. So basically I'm saying goodbye.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 25, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    So it's another way of saying that byu has no chance to qualify for the hawaii bowl and could possibly revisit the bottom 25. Any schedule is tough for byu these days.

  • Dmanfam Bountiful, UT
    May 25, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Sos: definition: what the Utes use as a shield of defense for the lack of performance on the field. The Utes had how many draft picks right? Why doesn't it ever show on the field. Something isn't right here. Simple answer: the Utes are a mid major team in a conference on it's heels. Thus the poor strength of schedule. At least Byu helps out your sos since byu's is stronger this year and many in the past. Good luck Ute fans, looks like another long season for you yet again.

  • Dmanfam Bountiful, UT
    May 25, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    Azute:
    Uteology:

    This is absolutely hilarious. Ute fans showing up all over another coug article. This time about scheduling? Really? I heard on local radio the other day about how far back the pac12 is from every single p5 conferences by far. The mountain West is actually nipping at the pac's demise since expansion. Please, please please try to understand that affiliation in the worst of the P5's gives you no credibility whatsoever, especially dealing with scheduling. Byu's schedule is just plain stronger than your mighty Utes. People outside of the state still consider you as a bottom dweller in the pac 12. That's pretty sad to be arguing about strength of schedule when you're in the worst p5 in all the land. All Byu tries to do is play the best of the best. Unlike the mighty Utes who always play some of the worst teams they absolutely know they can beat. I've been almost everywhere and trust me when I tell you, Byu is a household name across the country and have the respect of those fans and conferences. The Utes unfortunatly are not. Been there and done it and it's pretty obvious that your clad iron Utes are a nobody to the rest of the country. Sorry but the truth hurts

  • HeberCougFan Daniel, UT
    May 25, 2019 7:30 a.m.

    I agree that #16 is a bit overrated (I said that myself yesterday), but BYU's schedule isn't likely to turn out much worse than projected.

    What I mean by that is, whatever ranking system this guy uses isn't very accurate in my opinion. But given his rating system, he believes BYU has the 16th toughest schedule and I don't think that ranking will slide over the year.

    If there is a ranking system that puts BYU's schedule at 40 or 50 (which I think is much more accurate), then I don't think that will slide.

    BYU's schedule last year didn't slide much. It was ranked in the 60's preseason and that's where it finished. It might be easy to cherry-pick the Wisconsin or Arizona games as teams that didn't turn out to be as good as expected. Which is true. But Utah State and Hawaii also overachieved last season with all other teams playing about like we expected.

    So yes, this year there will be a few teams that overachieve and a few that underachieve, but it all averages out.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 24, 2019 10:16 p.m.

    So, this tells us all we need to know.

    The writer said Toledo was the power team of the MAC. Yes, 7-6 Toledo last yr. Who didn't play in the MAC championship game last yr. either.

    Let it play out.

    One of 2 things will happen.

    1) It will be very tough and BYU's record will show it.

    If BYU truly plays a #16 SOS, they don't make a bowl.

    2) It will play out like most yrs. and BYU's SOS will end up in the 60's, yet again.

  • OldMain Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 24, 2019 8:03 p.m.

    I agree with PhxAggie. Utah State doesn't need BYU fans. I fully expect USU to make it three in a row over BYU this coming season. Go Aggies!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 24, 2019 7:35 p.m.

    It always cracks me up how people burst an artery over SOS, possibly the most meaningless stat in football. But when they burst it's nice to see endless blue blood bursting out of them as predictable and bounteous as Old Faithful 😀

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 24, 2019 5:36 p.m.

    SOS rankings this year will play-out similar to last year [U #26/usu #113/byu-p #69], w/a slight alteration to each possible.

    Go Utes!

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    May 24, 2019 4:54 p.m.

    Few people should get all riled up about a teams projected SOS. And fewer people should get riled up about some guys comments that a teams preseason SOS is too high. Lets get the games played on the field before we project a teams SOS. I agree BYU's SOS should be higher than any other team in the state, but before all is said and done, Utah may have a very high SOS due to their membership in the PAC 12. If USU wins out and beats Boise, San Diego State, Fresno State, and Nevada their SOS should be high also. Lets just play the games and figure SOS after the season.

  • Laxman Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2019 4:01 p.m.

    I never knew that a strong SOS got you into the championship series. I thought you had to win the games first.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 24, 2019 3:43 p.m.

    @HeberCougFan - Daniel, UT

    Also, when only 2 Pac-12 South teams make a bowl game, finding teams in the first place that go on to have 6+ wins can be a challenge.

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    Nope!

    * 6 of 10 (60%) vs 6+ South teams

    * BYU is 0-10 vs 6+ (including 0-5 vs Utah and 0-6 vs South)

  • PhxAggie Phoenix, AZ
    May 24, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    Utah state does not need byu fans to support us in a condescending fashion. I like both teams. But USU has had some great past few seasons. We have beat Byu the past two years and it's becoming an exciting rivalry. Also USU is one of about 5 schools to be ranked in the top 20 end of season in both fball and basketball. Exciting times for the Aggies!

    I think it's ridiculous the article focuses so much on one social media comment from a USU fan discussing BYU's schedule. Of course that's not representative of all.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 24, 2019 3:15 p.m.

    @HeberCougFan

    PAC-12 began in 2011, that stat should have been in parentheses. Still, it shows how bad BYU has been vs the "glorified G-5 league" league.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 24, 2019 2:42 p.m.

    I'm not sure I understand why bashing another team incessantly makes someone feel better about their preferred team. I expect those sort of comparisons (SOS) are only meaningful for those who are very juvenile. So my hope is that Naval Vet, red.diehard, uteology, hawaii-utah are in their teens. It would make a lot of sense to the rest of us.

  • HeberCougFan Daniel, UT
    May 24, 2019 2:34 p.m.

    @Uteology

    And also 2006 Oregon - 7 wins. Forgot that one.

  • HeberCougFan Daniel, UT
    May 24, 2019 2:26 p.m.

    To be honest I think these rankings are a little inaccurate. It all depends on what his scheduling formula is. Sometimes it emphasizes win percentage very heavily without accounting for conference, last year's SOS, etc.

    I read somewhere that BYU's opponents had a combined 2018 win% of somewhere in the mid-high 60's last year which is very high, but does Fornelli's ranking take into account that most of them did that in either a G-5 conference or even at the FCS level?

    In the same way, I think utah's schedule is a little underrated. Not sure what their opponents combined win% is, but their South opponents combined would be well below 50%. But those teams also played a more rigorous schedule.

    All in all, I think BYU and utah actually have pretty even schedules, with BYU playing 4 legitimately good P5's and 5 of the better G5 teams, which is pretty similar to utah playing 4 or 5 good P5's and 4 or 5 P5 teams that are frankly struggling a lot right now.

  • HeberCougFan Daniel, UT
    May 24, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    @Uteology

    "This century...

    * BYU is 42% vs P5, 28% PAC-12 and has yet to beat a team with 6+ wins."

    Um...
    2007 UCLA - 6 wins (BYU won bowl game, lost regular season)
    2009 Oregon State 8 wins (and ranked heading into bowl)
    2010 Washington - 7 wins

    I'm not trying to say these wins are super impressive, but if you're going to pull out a stat at least make sure it's accurate. Making things up doesn't help your argument, and it makes me wonder whether 28% is accurate, but it sounds about right.

    Also, when only 2 Pac-12 South teams make a bowl game, finding teams in the first place that go on to have 6+ wins can be a challenge.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    May 24, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    For byu tough season = few wins.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 24, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    "Yes they [BYU] have a few overrated P5 teams to start." -- Aggie Delusions

    Overrated?

    This century:

    * BYU is 42% vs P5, 28% PAC-12 and has yet to beat a team with 6+ wins.

    * BYU is over 90% vs teams like Utah State.

    Speaking of overrated, 2018 #22 Utah State was only ranked because of extremely soft #113 SOS. The last time USU beat a P5 team was in 1819 and they have ZERO wins vs P5 Top 25.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 24, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    "In other words, the Pac-12 is weak and basically a glorified G-5 league."

    Says the fan of a team who went 1-3 against the PAC12 last season, with the only win coming against the only team of the 4 that didn't go to a bowl game.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    May 24, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    If Fan mocks another team's strength of schedule as being overrated, too high, yada yada, and Fan's team is on that schedule doesn't that equate to Fan saying, "My own team is not that good so how could that other team have such a strong schedule"?

    Alternatively, if a team A's schedule is half full of teams that really aren't that great yet the SOS is still rated high wouldn't that also mean team A is not that good and therefore will have a very tough time competing with whoever is on their schedule? Would that not define a strong schedule for team A? If Clemson had the same schedule as BYU how would their SOS rank? I doubt it would be anywhere near 16.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 24, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    I agree with Navel, BYU's SOS is dragged down by those really weak pseudo P 5 PAC 12 schools. With Utah in the 50's somewhere, BYU's SOS suffers.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    May 24, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    @Navel Vet

    I don't know what will ever help Ute fans understand that even if a team is in a P5 conference, that says nothing about their performance or how good they are. If you really want to argue Oregon State is better than Boise State, Utah State, UCF, USF and a slew of other G5s, then you're just going to look bad. The average P5 will be better than the average G5. I don't think you're going to find anyone to argue that, but this thinking that P5 automatically makes you better than G5 is illogical. Case in point, compare the two schedules, just last year for instance:

    #1: Kansas, Rutgers, Maryland, Duke, Oregon State, Colorado, Louisville, UNC, Wake Forest, Illinois, Indiana, Arkansas.

    #2: Boise State, Utah State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Houston, UCF, USF, NIU, Memphis, Cincinnati, Appalachian State, Buffalo.

    Which do you think is more difficult? If you argue #1, you are delusional and highly illogical.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 24, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    @Naval

    In other words, the Pac-12 is weak and basically a glorified G-5 league.

    TV money does not make a league or a team superior.
    Which is what the whole contrivance of P-5's is based on.

    There are true Blue Blood programs in every P-5 league, however, most of the teams are hangers-on, riding others coat-tails. (see Utah).

    Utah...
    3 Conference Championships won, out of over 120 contended for...
    Ouch!

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    May 24, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Utah State fans better calm down.

    If it weren't for BYU fans like me that also cheer for the Aggies, Utah State would have hardly any fans at all.

    And before you start in that you don't need or want BYU fans to also be Aggie fans...

    Yes you do.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 10:45 a.m.

    We've seen these predictions before. Several times. And just as I had back then, I guarantee that by the end of the season, nobody would say that the indy-WACers' SOS was even CLOSE to as difficult as was the Utes'.

    At BEST, the tdS' SOS will ultimately grade out somewhere in the 50s. A schedule with only four P5 opponents isn't anywhere NEAR strong enough to merit a 16th ranking.

    And for the record, the indy-WACers DO deliberately pad their schedules with weak SOS. Liberty? UMass? Idaho St? I see nothing inaccurate in that Aggie fan's statement.

  • holy moly Herrmian, UT
    May 24, 2019 10:42 a.m.

    SOS means nothing unless you win games. Just win.

  • CDM1525 West Point, UT
    May 24, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    I’m not sure why SOS at the beginning of the year is so often mentioned. It is pure conjecture. Wait until the end of the year and then let’s talk. The last few years byu has touted this really tough SOS but at the end of the year it is nowhere close to what was predicted at the beginning of the year. I agree their first half looks brutal, but let’s wait until years end to see if they measure up. After all, some analysts were predicting Wisconsin to be in the playoffs at the beginning of last year. We saw how that all played out. In the meantime, keep us updated on gear count numbers at Lagoon and Disneyland. I always look forward to those.