@BYU Joe - MISSION VIEJO, CAThese two schools have had excellent
years, down years, great wins and loses. They are equally matched I. So many
ways. To compare them is to compare twins. -----BCS
era:Utah 2 vs BYU 0CFP era:Utah #25 vs BYU #61CFP era NFL Draft:Utah 21 vs BYU 4Yes it's like the
program's are siamese twins.
@JohnInSLCExactly, the pre bowl rankings for both programs are
pretty much equal this century.2001 Louisville, 2012 Washington,
2013 Memphis, 2015 Utah were teams that would have been ranked if BYU was
capable of beating a team with a pulse, regular or postseason. Which is why compared to MWC Utah/TCU and Boise, BYU's winning percentage
is abysmal (~70+% vs ~40%).
“played TEN ranked in both final polls bowl opponents in a row?Hint:Utah has only played FIVE ranked in both final polls bowl opponents
in their entire history.”chambermade:Fake news.
The reason BYU-P played 10 FINAL ranked teams is because the coogs
usually lost most of those games, so bowl-winning teams were usually ranked if
they weren’t before, i.e. Memphis.The reason Utah played only
5 FINAL ranked teams is because the Ute wins usually dropped opponents from the
rankings, although really high ranked teams didn’t drop out, i.e.
Alabama.If anything, your stat is a monument to coog futility.
@ Farmington fan,As you stated, I also hope BYu is "locked"
to the Hawaii Bowl until all Y D1 sports are curtailed.However, BYu
fans don't travel at all, don't even buy anywhere close to their
mandated ticket allotment to the Utah game in SLC because they are far too
expensive to most Y fans.So, how many Y fans from the mainland would
travel to Hawaii, very expensive indeed, for that bowl game, when a U-Y ticket @
Utah for $125 is not affordable?Also, BYu has recruited Hawaii HS
players primarily for many decades.........the good players there mostly go to
the PAC or SEC.I wish U the best sir!
Nobody should EVER make light of BYu WAC era gold. Heck, they are America's
darling, galaxy- wide fanbase, "LEGACY" everything, have the best
players, school, ethics, morals, etc........ Plus, Provo, Utah is the funnest,
most desirable city in the USA......... We Utes are just haters and so jealous
of all things BYu.
As most all BYu everything hope and prays about the 2019 U game on this
thread.........there will be no W for the Y. It is a distinct advantage for all
good teams, like Utah, to play at LES. WhY.......? Good/better teams will
actually concentrate on the road and especially @ BYu because of the
talk/prognostications. Good teams quiet the beyond fickle Y fans to no end as
they get all over them. The quietest place on earth is @ LES is when BYu is
losing. I've been on the sidelines many times at BYU.......very interesting
it always is there.
@ BYu Joe,I hear ya sir.........you wish for BYu football to beat
Utah, hope to, and I admire that "wish."BYu and Utah
football are NOT "equally matched" any longer kind sir. What bugs me,
and whY so many recent games have been close, is because Utah is NOT motivated
to play the Y anymore. The game isn't important or of interest to anyone
Utah now. If Utah could get motivated about OOC BYu........they would cream them
every game if it meant anything? And THAT, is the issue my friend. The U-Y game
is not important, but hurts Utah's SOS.I just hope Utah just
plays a solid, okay game vs BYu again..........they haven't for a long
time, but always get the win.
I'd love to see BYU locked into the Hawaii Bowl forever. What a great
gig--and it could help the Cougs in recruiting players from Hawaii. I think
that bowl could become more popular for BYU fans than the Holiday Bowl of
I am BYU to the core. Five generations of blue. But until we beat
Utah all the comparisons are weak. They have the current scoreboard and that
what counts. And as do all the negativity from both side - it lame.
These two schools have had excellent years, down years, great wins
and loses. They are equally matched I. So many ways. To compare them is to
compare twins. Except the Utah twin has the current win. Until we
beat them again I have to sadly defer to them.
Pluto - Sandy, UT“Look at all the Utah fans worried about BYU
again.lol” Maybe go read the 200 plus comments on“Utah has never seen such a chance at the Rose Bowl — or such
buildup” before making a comment like that. Pot meet kettle!Lonely Star:“OverallBYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16Top 12 FinishesBYU 5 > Utah 2Consensus National
ChampionshipsBYU 1 > Utah 0Weeks Ranked #1 in APBYU
4 > Utah 0Weeks Ranked in APBYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 =
58Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 = 35”And this is benefiting
the program today??You coug fans LOVE to avoid talking about where
the program is NOW! Why don’t you post the number of NFL drafts or
recruiting classes over the last 10-15 years? Or why a decade drought for any
top 25 finishes? Recruits and the rest of the college football world
DO NOT care about your 40 year old trophies and awards. They care about
what’s going on now, the future and recently. As in, THIS century.We all know where the program is, and where it’s headed. Keep
rearranging those deck chairs on the ‘Independence Titanic’!
@THEREALND -- "Actually, the Mountain West conference is in. It's
either BYU or a AAC opponent vs the Mountain West."and@SoonerUte -- " The bowl game is normally MWC vs AAC. The website says
"BYU vs AAC", meaning that ESPN chose BYU for the MWC slot. Is that
foreshadowing of BYU's next deal with ESPN? "move back to your
conference" "Generally, the Hawaii Bowl has been C-USA vs
MWC; in some years C-USA did not fill their bowl spots. Hawaii Bowl appearances
since 2002: C-USA – 12, WAC (before the football exodus) – 10, MWC
– 7, AAC – 2, PAC-10/12 – 2, independent – 1 (ND in
2008). Regarding whom BYU will face in 2019:From
collegefootballnews.com:Hawaii Bowl:American Athletic Conf vs.
BYU or Mountain West ConfORMountain West Conf vs. BYU or American
Athletic ConfFrom Watchstadium.com:“Other bowl
affiliation changes for 2019:Hawaii Bowl – Mountain West and
Conference USA out; American and BYU in. BYU, if bowl eligible, is guaranteed a
spot in the Hawaii Bowl against a team from the American.”From
the official Hawaii Bowl site: "The 2019 SoFi Hawai‘i Bowl will
feature teams from the Mountain West, American Athletic Conference or BYU
..."Still not exciting.
@One*CoogAfter 125 seasons, Utah still hasn’t reached double
digits in AP Top 25 finishes, in fact, before joining the PAC 12, the Utes only
had FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.BYU had FOUR AP Top 25 finishes in only
FOUR seasons from 2006-2009.--------------Great! Someone
give the kid a sticker!Since 1990, AP Rankings: * Top
5: Utah 2 BYU 1* Top 10: Utah 3 BYU 1* Top 15: Utah 3 BYU 3*
Top 25: Utah 8 BYU 8* Average Ranking: Utah #17 (BYU #17)The difference?* BCS Bowls: Utah 2 (BYU 0)* CFP Rankings: Utah 24
with 3 AP Top 25 (BYU 0 0)* 2019 Projections: Utah: Rose Bowl (BYU:
Spending Christmas Eve in Hawaii would be fun, but it's a little further to
drive than Las Vegas or San Diego...still thinking about it.
CDM1525 - @Lonestar"You’re great at cherry
picking data to paint a picture that fits your agenda."You're only claiming that the data is "cherry picked" because U
have absolutely nothing to rebut the data with.BYU accomplished more
from 1979 to 1984 than Utah has accomplished in its entire entire history.Of course, you checked pre-2003 - NOTHING!Then you checked
post-2008 - NOTHING!Outside of 2004 and 2008, Utah has never even
had an 11+ win season.
johnny in the city"However, Utah will be seeking their 16th bowl
win in 25 years."yawnWinning bowl games is easy when
you only play cream puffs.What's really embarrassing is the
Utes only played in TWO bowl games before the great proliferation of bowls began
in the early 90's making it possible for cream puffs like U to beat other
cream puffs in a bowl and then pretend that that was something special.When was the last time Utah played TEN ranked in both final polls bowl
opponents in a row?Hint:Utah has only played FIVE ranked
in both final polls bowl opponents in their entire history.
Lonestar. And one other thing. No cherry picking gear count at
Lagoon, like just hanging out at the kiddie rides. You need to use the entire
amusement park. Have a great weekend!
LonestarYou’re great at cherry picking data to paint a picture
that fits your agenda. Busy Memorial Day weekend at Lagoon! I bet there is a
lot of gear counting to be done. Get busy.
wahului:"...the downside to that NY6 game is missing Christmas
in Hawaii..."How so? NY6 games are played well after Christmas.
Smart folks would have been able to figure out that Christmas in Hawai'i
and NY6 bowl games aren't either/or scenerios. You could do BOTH.#NotSmart people wouldn't be able to put that one together.So
which sort of person are you?
"a program that has an entire closet full of SOS trophies."kleenex:Which is an utterly hilarious comment coming from the fan
base that is now trying to steal those trophies.
"BYU will be going for their 3rd straight bowl win.Utah might be going
for their 1st bowl win since 2017."dirtcooger:Or,
said another way: IF they qualify for a bowl game, BYU-P will be
going for their 16th bowl win in nearly 100 years! However, Utah
will be seeking their 16th bowl win in 25 years.
CDM1525BYU's best CRUSHES Utah's bestNothing
more needs to be said; the numbers speak for themselvesBYU 1979-1984
vs Utah 2003-2008Year by Year#13/#11 BYU 11-1 vs #21/#21 Utah
10-2#12/#12 BYU 12-1 vs #4/#5 Utah 12-0#13/#11 BYU 11-2 vs unranked
Utah 7-5unranked BYU 8-4 vs unranked Utah 8-5#7/#7 BYU 11-1 vs
unranked Utah 9-4#1/#1 BYU 13-0 vs #2/#4 Utah 13-0OverallBYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16Top 12 FinishesBYU 5 > Utah
2Consensus National ChampionshipsBYU 1 > Utah 0Weeks Ranked #1 in APBYU 4 > Utah 0Weeks Ranked in APBYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 = 58Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 = 35—-After 125 seasons, Utah still hasn’t reached double
digits in AP Top 25 finishes, in fact, before joining the PAC 12, the Utes only
had FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.BYU had FOUR AP Top 25 finishes in only
FOUR seasons from 2006-2009.The mighty PAC South was 2-18 versus
ranked teams in 2018; Utah was 0-4.Thanks for playing.
Just a quick question for all those folks talking about not playing on Christmas
Eve. Have you ever heard the expression "I'm RECORDING the game to
watch later"? If your TV doesn't have that capability I would be very
surprised.By the way, I will be watching the Rose Bowl to see the
best team in the PAC, The Oregon Ducks! There is no way a team from the weak
south division can beat either Oregon or Washington in the PAC championship. So
Utah, prepare yourself for some other mindless pre new years game, which I will
probably record and watch later.
Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00May 24, 2019 9:41 a.m.@ talkinsports,“There is no way that is true. Did U not read it correctly
sir?”As usual, you’re the fount of misinformation.Quoting directly from the news story:“SALT LAKE CITY
— On Thursday, a national college football writer shared his strength of
schedule projections for the 2019 season. Of the local teams, BYU's
schedule appears to be the hardest at No. 16.Utah State (No. 57) and
Utah (No. 63) are middle of the pack, according to CBS Sports' Tom
johnny in the city"While pre-season SOS rankings are little more
than a ouija board exercise, here it’s probably because Fornelli sees
utah-slc and USU as tough outs that lift BYU’s SOS, whereas weak BYU
simply drags down all their opponents’ SOS."That's an
utterly hilarious comment coming from a fan of a program that has an entire
closet full of SOS trophies.
Look at all the Utah fans worried about BYU again.lol
Lonestar Since you are so good with numbers, let’s hear what
byu has done in the same timeframe. Also, when was the last time byu has beaten
a team finishing the season ranked? Or even better, when was the last time byu
finished the season ranked or been ranked in any category that matters.
I’m sure you’ll conjure up something. byu faithful are really good
at cherry picking numbers. I guess that’s the benefit of having such a
highly ranked accounting department at byu.
“BYU's schedule appears to be the hardest at No. 16.Utah State
(No. 57) and Utah (No. 63) are middle of the pack”talkin’trash:Silly coog! While pre-season SOS rankings are
little more than a ouija board exercise, here it’s probably because
Fornelli sees Utah and USU as tough outs that lift BYU-P’s SOS, whereas
weak BYU-P simply drags down all their opponents’ SOS.
I totally agree with sunshiner!!!!! Even I, who is no longer LDS, knows and
practices Christmas Eve celebrations with loved ones like all LDS folks and
almost everyone else other than the jewish members of our
society..........dinner, opening presents, telling stories, listening to music
and then go to midnight mass at the Catholic Church......... no TV is on.The bottom line.......BYu football doesn't sell and this is their
standard reward in the 21st century
I can't believe BYU board of directors or the school leadership agreed to
this. Besides Sundays, Christmas Eve is one of the most sacred times for Church
of Jesus Christ families. How does watching a worldly sporting event fit into
that? It won't be watched in our house, and we are huge BYU fans. I can
already imagine the many excuses and justifications coming out as to why this
football game time is no big deal. Go ahead, tell me I'm too
"churchy" and old-fashioned, but it feels like the rise of
sports-worship in our society indicates that we have placed other things before
our worship of God. I guess BYU is now no different.
As CougFaninTX stated....."just wish we could play a cupcake in week
1".........I feel for him in fact.Well, all I know is that Utah
football is playing a "cupcake" on the road in week 1 this year.
CDM1525"All I know is Utah has won more bowl games than BYU in
the last 10 years and against tougher competition."Utah has only
beaten TWO final AP and Coaches ranked bowl opponents in their entire history
and Utah's last two bowl wins were against Indiana (6-7) and W Va (7-6).And let's not forget, 17 of Utah's 22 bowl opponents were
unranked or just barely ranked #25 in only one poll (2).That joke of
an upset over sleeping Alabama is Utah's ONLY bowl win over a team ranked
higher than #20 in both polls.
@ CougFanTexas,I hear ya man, but Sheriff Sitake is not getting
decent recruits and has NOT just one year so far. I don't see BYu going 6-6
this season.......too many reasons why in fact, but it is possible, as I weigh
things out. Then, the 2020 through 2023 BYu schedules are simply
impossible........go look at them sir! They are brutal for any mediocre
mid-major squad in fact.Good luck!
Skywalker Way to cherry pick numbers to make your team look good.
Now I question whether those gear count numbers byu faithful have been touting
are truly accurate. All I know is Utah has won more bowl games than byu in the
last 10 years and against tougher competition. But the most compelling number
and best way to tell who he dominate team are wins head to head in the last 15
years. Care to look those up for us or would it make you a little sick to your
There are a select few Y fans that are predicting BYu will beat Utah in 2019. On
a couple other DNews threads I've offered anyone a straight up bet for $10k
CASH on that contest........... no Y fan takers yet......?Although
it is early, not after fall camp, potential injuries, etc......... I think that
the opening Vegas line on the U-Y game will be at least Utah - 7.5 points or
@ talkinsports,There is no way that is true. Did U not read it
I'd rather go to Hawaii in December than Boise or Albuquerque. I think BYU
will finish with 6 - 8 wins. Fewer than 6 wins and Kalani will be on the hot
seat. Love the schedule this year, just wish we could play a cupcake in week 1
and move Utah to November.
On Thursday, a national college football writer shared his strength of schedule
projections for the 2019 season. Of the local teams, BYU's schedule appears
to be the hardest at No. 16.Utah State (No. 57) and Utah (No. 63)
are middle of the pack, according to CBS Sports' Tom Fornelli.BYU will have their work cut out to be bowl eligible, but it's doable.
August will be the absolute perfect scenario for one of the most epic upsets in
the history of the nearly 100-year-old BYU-Utah rivalry.
It is interesting that they know there bowl game already. How is this possible?
Do they pay for this knowledge? How much?
Those Y fans that thunk BYu will do very well this season are NOT living in
reality. Little talent, rebuilding front 7 on D, terrible O-line, slow
untalented playmakers, no depth anywhere and always the worst secondary on the
planet........and, they are out of shape and the injuries will pile up as
usual.......those beez the facts folks! I do like their QB though ....if he can
stay healthy that is?BYu football going 6-6 would be close to a
miracle in 2019.
It looks like coog fans are a bit too defensive about their ol' buddy
Mother Ship's arranged bowl marriage this year.Ain't
This will be BYU's 14th bowl game in the last 15 years.IF Utah
qualifies for a bowl, this will be Utah's 13th bowl game in the last 15
years.BYU will be going for their 3rd straight bowl win.Utah might be going for their 1st bowl win since 2017.
CougarForever - Holladay, Utah "opponent likely to be from the MWC or
AAC"The bowl game is normally MWC vs AAC. The website says "BYU
vs AAC", meaning that ESPN chose BYU for the MWC slot. Is that
foreshadowing of BYU's next deal with ESPN? "move back to your
conference"Michigan Cougsfan68 "I am sure all the BYU haters
will be watching from pre-game to post-game presentation of the bowl
trophy"I like to tune in for the post-game brawl.
@ at long last.I think it isn't a "subsidiary," but
rather "yappy lap dog" status.
This will be BYU's 2nd straight bowl game,which is as many bowl
games as Utah played in from 1892 to 1991.
We all know 1 loss won't happen. 6 wins would be shocking if they
can't do that. It's almost a guarantee they are going to Hawaii.
I'm tempted to look at tickets. Far better destination than Boise!
Is byu a wholly owned subsidiary of ESPN? Or, does it just seem that way. . .
Well, it's easy to say what a downer this news is. Just overcome the
doubters and get invited to a real bowl game!
BYU players and fans better hope the team doesn't get into another big bowl
brawl because if so Santa will be giving ya'll a bunch of coal.
Michigan Cougsfan68"Motorbike, I am sure all the BYU haters will
be watching from pre-game to post-game presentation of the bowl
trophy!!!!!!!!"----------I'm not a hater though I am indeed
a Ute fan and I'll tell you what, you're right in that I'd likely
watch at least part of a BYU bowl game regardless of how prestigious the bowl.
But for the first time in about 40 years I can tell you with certainty that I
won't be tuning in to watch the Hawaii Bowl this year. I've got plans,
not just plans but family traditions, that will be consuming the exact hours of
6-10pm on Christmas Eve. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person in
America with similar plans at that time of the day on Dec 24th not just this
year but on an annual basis.This then begs the age old question of if a
tree falls in the forest...
Several "if's" involved here.Just like there are
"If's" for u going anywhere. Or anybody else for that matter.If the Cougars can't win six games, they go nowhere. The same place u
will be if you don't win 6.
@ Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MI"May 23, 2019 7:29 p.m.THEREALND,My Christmas wish, BYU vs. ND in the 2019 Hawaii
Bowl!!!!!!!!"Well, that bowl game is on Christmas Eve. You
will never get that as a Christmas wish. It's a MWC opponent vs BYU or an
Uteology - East Salt Lake City, UtahMay 23, 2019 7:44 p.m.Yes
it does, New Years in Pasadena!!!--------------Or New
OrleansOr MiamiOr AtlantaOr TempeOr Arlington
Michigan Cougsfan68 - Ann Arbor, MIMay 23, 2019 7:29 p.m.My
Christmas wish, BYU vs. ND in the 2019 Hawaii Bowl!!!!!!!!--------------How do you figure Notre Dame will end up there?Unless you meant North Dakota, in which case they won't be there,
wahului - Stockton, CAMay 23, 2019 3:35 p.m.I guess the downside to
that NY6 game is missing Christmas in Hawaii...---------------------I don't think you have anything to worry
water rocket - , 00May 23, 2019 3:18 p.m. I would love to see
BYU and Utah matched up in the Rose Bowl (I can dream, can't I?-----------------Well you'd need to join the Big Ten for that
Probably the only team in the nation that already knows their bowl destination,
if they go anywhere.
cougarsrock - Springville, UTMay 23, 2019 3:13 p.m.Does not get much
better than this .... Spend Christmas in Hawaii !!!------Yes it does, New Years in Pasadena!!!
THEREALND,My Christmas wish, BYU vs. ND in the 2019 Hawaii Bowl!!!!!!!!Go Cougs!!!!!!Aloha!!!!!!
Motorbike,I am sure all the BYU haters will be watching from pre-game to
post-game presentation of the bowl trophy!!!!!!!!Go
@Cougar forever "Obviously, our opponent (likely to be a less
than impressive team from the MWC or AAC depending on which teams in each are
bowl eligible) "Actually, the Mountain West conference is in.
It's either BYU or a AAC opponent vs the Mountain West. Some
things never change.
Exciting news to know in May the kickoff time of a December bowl game!
Especially if BYU becomes bowl eligible, they'll be competing against a
Mountain West conference opponent! I marked my calendar.
Unfortunately, @motorbike ("TV-wise can it get much worse than 6 pm MST on
Christmas Eve?") is right -- the overall national ratings for this game will
be very low. I know that the Hawaii Bowl generally has been played
on Christmas Eve although last year it was played on Dec 22, a Saturday. If
this year's game were on Dec 21 it would be a lot more attractive to many
of us in terms of attending. Obviously, our opponent (likely to be a less than
impressive team from the MWC or AAC depending on which teams in each are bowl
eligible) will make a difference in terms of interest.
Hey thanks Naval,For your continued interest!
As a BYU alum and donor, all I can say is "meh".
Better than Idaho the week before by a long shot. If I were a player, I would
absolutely love this.
Oh now that is what big dreams are made of, c'mon Coug's, you gotta
want it. Six games is a lot of wins, probably impossible, but it will be very
close to see if Provo can reach bowl eligibility.
Wow. TV-wise can it get much worse than 6pm MST on Christmas Eve? Will anyone
other than fans of these two teams be tuned in?
cougsrock:Well, it certainly doesn't get any better for YOU
guys! I'll give you that. You're too WACish and midmajory for any
better postseason lineup. Your opponent will be super midmajory
YES! That’s a game changer for the program.
I guess the downside to that NY6 game is missing Christmas in Hawaii...
Back in the 70's, when BYU first appeared in a bowl game, there
weren't that many bowl games. Today there are so many that all a team
needs to do is win six games (.500). So schedule six weak teams and you are in.
Then if you can win half (3) of the tougher games, you are that much better
off. Personally, I would love to see BYU and Utah matched up in the Rose Bowl
(I can dream, can't I?).
Does not get much better than this .... Spend Christmas in Hawaii !!!
"BYU is scheduled to play in the Hawaii Bowl if it is bowl eligible and not
selected to a New Year's Six bowl game." -- Jeff CallIn
other words, it's Oahu-or-Bust for the indy-WACers. And while no Yner
would overtly admit it, they all know that their SOS had already eliminated them
from a NY6 bowl.