Other politicians offer support after Nathan Ivie posts video
A heartfelt message which took great courage to share.For the
religious bigots who have posted. Consider the fact if they had been accepted to
start with and so many not told by bishops, stake presidents, mission leaders,
and leaders even higher up it would all go away if they just got married or they
could be fixed they would not be going through this or having to explain
anything to anyone. Or, justify their existence or worth. It is the
teachings and naivety of the religious who have put them in these most difficult
situations. It is the Ivie's business how they resolve all this
with their family and help everyone to heal. Not the public's.If you look at the animal kingdom, there is a high level of same sex
attraction. Unless Christians believe God screwed up everything in his creation
of man and beast, maybe they need to trust him and love all he has created as he
does. We don't know why same sex attraction occurs in either kingdom. But,
God certainly had power in the creation to make sure it didn't happen.
Perhaps, it was to more fully teach all about what real Christlike love is that
he let it happen. The world needs more authenticity and truth.
I agree with Orson. My religion, LDS is opposed to gay marriage and so am I.My wife died quite young. And as I never remarried I have been a
celibate heterosexual since then. During our marriage we managed to multiply
and replenish with 4 children. How many gay or lesbian couples are going to do
that.If God wants to give a revelation and ad a section to the
D&C approving of gay marriage, I may reconsider, after prayer and fasting.
I am not going to hold my breath in the meantime. The more likely
scenario is that we are "ripening in iniquity" rather than increasing in
It’s time to recognize that society has allowed gay people to be the butt
of sick jokes, ridiculed and accused of the most disgusting behaviors, and now
it’s time to stop. It’s very likely that this gentleman was born to
a heterosexual couple, he indicates he tried to fit in and live the life that
would not result in his being a target by anti-gay crusaders and the religious
right. He couldn’t keep it up and no one should be expected to. Best
of luck to Mr Ivie, I hope bigotry doesn’t raise its ugly head to prevent
him from living out his dreams.
I have southern ancestry and love to fly my Confederate flag on my truck and
wear my MAGA hat and I believe I'm a good guy, too. So what does this have
to do with "Coming out". Freedom. I spent 30 years in the service of
this country so that we could be free to do the things that interest us.
Non-violently of course. It's ok what gays do and we have to tolerate them.
But I get flipped off. Smirked at, swore at but do I care. No. I ignore most
childish acts. I suspect gays get the same treatment and that is sad. But there
ya go. We are supposed to be so lovey dovey with everyone and tolerate what they
do. But it's only certain factions that get all the toleration and sympathy
while other Non-violent entities get drug around in the dirt with no sympthy.
And what's this thing about judgement?
Orson2I'm curious do you think his wife would be happier/better
off in a marriage where she can not truly be loved like she deserves to be
loved? I don't know about you but I would not want my straight daughter to
be married to a gay man ...the reasons here are endless so I'll let you
ponder that one. Also Sodom was not about God punishing the people of the city
for not offering them Tea or Hot Cocoa. If you have studied the scriptures and
the apocrypha you would know the people of the city were evil and tortured
travelers by cruelty, rape, theft, and starvation even until death. If the men
of the city were truly gay why would Lot offer his virgin daughters to them?
Have you ever known a city where every man was gay? The statistics are
impossible! They were not wanting to rape the Angels for pleasure it was for
control and to dehumanize them. God punished them for their evil treatment of
others by burning the city which he had planned on doing Long before the
incident occurred, that is why the Angels were sent there in the first place. So
why would God send Angels to burn the wicked city for homosexuality BEFORE the
Angels were even threatened? Bless Ivie for his Courage!
While this is pleasing to the Left, it is fine for this gentleman to state
whatever he wishes to portray. But, why the FRONT page of the newspaper? If
this is front page news, I'll be re-evaluating my need for any
re-subscription notices. And also, WHY do so many gay people shout from the
roof tops?As a human being, we all have things we tell our friends.
Understood. But there is nothing like this, that I would ever share, so why do
others, and also why does the media display it so much & on the front page?
The answer seems simple to me. Liberals feast on this type of story...
I don't know Mr. Ivie. I'm not a member of his political party, I
don't live in his district, I am not a cowboy, and I am not LGBTQ. But,
watching this video today this humble man managed to connect with me on a human
level. I admire him. His message was delivered in a sincere, gentle and open
manner. He's a community leader, a public servant, a husband & dad, a
Utahn, a horseman, he's gay, and oh, yes, he's also Republican.
He's exactly the same great person right now as he was yesterday and all
the days before. Being a Republican isn't what defines who he is. Being gay
isn't what defines who he is. These are all simply pieces of who he is as a
human being - and, I think an incredibly brave and honorable one. His video was
an invitation for me to be a little kinder. I hope any child in my life who may
be struggling with dread and fear about not "fitting" the mold will feel
they can confide in me. I would love to put an arm around them, let them know
they are loved 100% unconditionally and NEEDED. I want to celebrate their
brilliance, encourage them to shine, enjoy the unique human being they were born
to be! Thank you, Mr. Ivie, for reminding us of what being human is all about.
Ranch,I'm not surprised your interpretations of these Biblical
passages are so off, considering where you are coming from. However, LDS have
prophets to interpret. Our manuals state: "these verses in Genesis 19 and
Jude 1 help us understand that the grievous sin mentioned in Genesis 18:20
included homosexual behavior. This behavior was widely accepted and practiced
among the inhabitants of Sodom and nearby cities (see Jude 1:7). The prophet
Ezekiel spoke of additional sins that plagued the inhabitants of Sodom.""from the beginning, and consistently throughout the scriptures, the
Lord has condemned violations of the law of chastity, including homosexual
behavior."Then there are the many denunciations of homosexual
sin made by the apostle Paul in his various letters; these are canonized
scriptures for the Christian world, though many have sought to discount or
It is revealing and very sad to see that the most likes on this article are from
those who continue to demonize, shame and condemn LGBTQ Americans. They
recommend that they stay in their sham marriages, just shut up, and stop
attacking "God, nature, religion and the family." Actually, millions
of marriages and families are destroyed because we force people to lie, to
pretend, and hide their truth. Would you want your daughter to marry a
closeted gay man? Would you feel it righteous and "natural" for our
sister, mother or daughter to live a lie that often ends up in an avoidable
tragedy for the entire family?And this dilemma is absolutely NOT about
"Gays versus God." Why do you think that the instance of closeted gays
marrying the opposite sex, to live a life of lies, happens more frequently in
I have been an active member of the LDS Church for over 30 years now. My views
on LGBT issues have evolved during this time. I used to feel like so many of
these commenters--citing Sodom and Gomorrah, saying this was a trial just like
alcoholism, being disgusted by the thoughts of gay sexual acts, etc. I can even
recall saying hurtful things to people in the past----because, no matter how
*they* tried to justify it with "political correctness" or "the
world's ways," I KNEW that it was a SIN against God's plan, and
was proud to stand up for what I KNEW. I deeply regret those things I said, and
wish I could take them back.So what changed? I got to know many gay
people. And as I've gotten to know them, I have LEARNED FOR MYSELF (as we
are counseled to do) a few things:1. It is NOT a choice.2. It
is NOT simply about "who a person wants to have sex with" any more than
it is for straight couples. 3. The "traditions of our fathers" are
simply WRONG on this, as they have been on race, birth control, etc.I've come around on this issue, and I hope more members of the Church
will, too. When your eyes are opened, then you will understand WHY he needed to
make this announcement.
@Orson;You clearly don't know your bible: (Sodomy is a term
from the Dark Ages)Ezek-16-49Behold, this was the iniquity of
thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was
in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the
poor and needy.It wasn't about sex, gay or straight, it was
about how they treated others. BTW; if it had anything to do with sex, it would
have been to condemn rape (i.e., the townsfolk wanted to rape the angels) -- and
it would be to condemn Lot for offering his daughters to be raped instead (what
father would do that!).And since it was about how they treated
others, think about how you're treating LGBT people today? Will it work
out for you, in the end, do you think? Jesus promoted the golden rule - also
you were told not to judge. How's that going to work out in the end?
(BTW, there isn't a word about "righteous judgement" in that
passage, so don't even bother trying to go there).@4601;"The issue becomes a non-issue."-- As it should, and
hopefully someday, will be.@MGoodwin;Maybe he
"lied" because his church lied to him and told him he'd be
"cured" if he got married.
Sure are a lot of people here who took a lot of time to click on, read, and post
on an article that they ostensibly "don't care" about. I don't know about you, but I don't read articles which are of no
interest to me, and I certainly don't comment on them. Clearly
Drew1house,How kind of you to give me the "unchristian" label,
though it doesn't fit. I am well aware of Nibley's
interpretation. As brilliant as he was, and as well informed in ancient history,
he did not speak for the church in interpreting scripture, and in this instance
he stands alone. The traditional interpretation of Gen. 19 in the Church is how
I have used it. (Where do you think the word "sodomy" came from?) God
would not rain down fire and brimstone on a people that didn't offer you a
cup of tea (or even hot chocolate), but would do so on the unrepentant indulging
in gross immorality, like he did similarly when he destroyed many thousands of
wicked Nephites and Lamanites, before his visit to the New World. The text of
Genesis makes it clear what the citizens of Sodom were trying to do to
Lot's family.I am also well aware of Bro. Ballard's
teachings given at BYU. But he was not talking about activists that post coming
out videos and get much resultant media attention, as they break up what once
had the potential to become a Celestial family. I have far more
sympathy for the wife and kids, who must now pick up the pieces and move forward
the best they can.
The reason Commissioner Ivie has to "come out" in this day and age is
that if he did not, and got divorced and started dating a man it would be in the
news. Better to get it done and over with and let the news be old news.To the unchristian "God's Law, Sodom and Gomorrah" guy... Hugh
Nibley, if you are LDS specifically taught that the sin there was a lack of
hospitality, not being gay. A year ago Elder Ballard said this at BYU about how
we have treated our LGBT members. (We also need to remember that when he got
married the Church instructed Gays to get straight married. President Hinkley
stopped that and recognized that they are born gay.) “I want
anyone who is a member of the Church who is gay or lesbian to know
I believe you have a place in the kingdom and I recognize that sometimes it
may be difficult for you to see where you fit in the Lord’s Church, but
you do.We need to listen to and understand what our LGBT brothers
and sisters are feeling and experiencing. Certainly, we must do better than we
have done in the past so that all members feel they have a spiritual home where
their brothers and sisters love them and where they have a place to worship and
serve the Lord.”
My definition of marriage is in accord with the standards of my (LDS) faith. At
the same time, in my interactions with members of the LGBT community, I endeavor
to follow the principles of peace on earth, and goodwill toward men. Outside
of that, my general manner of behavior is to leave them alone.
BlueMoonOden"A persons sexual orientation is really no one
else's business."Unless religion gets involved, then
it's their business as to what others are or do.SAS - Sandy,
UTMay 22, 2019 4:25 p.m.@PMSmith "I get tired of hearing people
"come out""Me too! People should keep their sexuality
private, rather than parading it around for everyone to see!"Most often it is pressure from a culture or religion that use the sexuality as
a threat to that person, so it's best they take the thunder away from
someone that could compromise them.Dasay - Farmington, UTMay
22, 2019 4:38 p.m."Having the most amazing sympathy! Oh, for his poor
wife. How devastating to her world. Can’t quite get my head around why
it’s so important for him to disclose his thing!"I can
imagine that it's his religion and culture that forced him to marry a
women, to show he was "straight." That's what ruined 2 or more
lives.Maybe he just needs to be forced into "conversion
therapy" like so many before him. That works well doesn't it?
That's nice, but I would neither vote for or against this person on the
basis of sexual preferences. The issue becomes a non-issue.
Lagomorph - "For those who wonder why it was necessary for Commissioner Ivie
to come out, please note the juxtaposition of this article with another a few
inches away in the same edition of this paper where the Senate confirmed a
federal judge who supported Prop 8. It was not gays who asked society to call
them out as different, it was the heteronormative majority who did. It was the
hetero majority who defined the LGBT crowd as Different, Other, and Inferior and
who enforced this status with discriminatory laws and policies like Prop 8 and
Utah’s Amendment 3..."Perfectly stated!Well
@Uteofferouus - Salt Lake City, UT "However, when one group constantly
gripes about the rest of us, constantly protests and calls attention to
themselves it gets old and that does not help to reduce our prejudices
either."I am gay, always have been. We just had our 45th anniversary,
and 5th year legal anniversary. The reason for the 40 year gap? Explicit
discrimination and a subtle, back-of-the-bus implicit discrimination: there was
shunning in high school, friendships denied, lack of employment networks. Then
there was discrimination in strange and unexpected places: life insurance,
doctor and dentist, hotel rooms, and zoning laws against two unrelated people
sharing a residence. My greatest resource has always been my marriage and our
commitment.Hope, love, commitment, and inner strength - not resentment -
go a long way to overcome the isolation and loneliness of accepting that you are
LGBT. The positive comments on the DN forum about Commissioner Nathan Ivie are
encouraging, that things do get better. Finally, his wife and children deserve
good lives - they are good people.
Neither being gay, transgendered, or heterosexual is much of an
accomplishment.You are who you are. After that, what matters is what
you do in this life.It's no longer considered "news"
and I wish we would react to it that way.
For those who wonder why it was necessary for Commissioner Ivie to come out,
please note the juxtaposition of this article with another a few inches away in
the same edition of this paper where the Senate confirmed a federal judge who
supported Prop 8. It was not gays who asked society to call them out as
different, it was the heteronormative majority who did. It was the hetero
majority who defined the LGBT crowd as Different, Other, and Inferior and who
enforced this status with discriminatory laws and policies like Prop 8 and
Utah’s Amendment 3. Had the hetero majority simply taken a live and let
live attitude from the outset, treated gays as equals, and left them alone, then
there would be no need for coming out because sexual orientation wouldn’t
matter any more than one’s blood type or favorite sports team, just one
more personal trait of limited interest (has anyone felt a need to announce,
“I’m AB negative”?). If you are straight and annoyed by gays
coming out publicly, it is your own chickens coming home to roost. You made it
a thing by separating gays in the first place.
Ranch,Your reasoning is flawed. There is a huge difference between minor
ssa pda that few notice, and political facebook posts/videos, accompanied by
high-profile news stories in the SL area dailies. Major notice/attention vs
little to none. So that doesn't wash.But let's try a
hypothetical scenario where your reasoning might be clearer: if we all lived in
Sodom and Gomorrah. In this case, the heterosexual public displays of affection
would be seen by the homosexual majority as undesirable or repulsive, instead of
the other way around.The only problem with this hypothetical
scenario is that God nuked those cities with fire and brimstone, for the very
reasons you can read about, as set forth in Genesis 19 (esp. v. 24). Not a very good hypothetical scenario....
Orson and all the others who wonder about public announcements, I wonder how
many of you have stood up in testimony meeting to bear your testimony, something
which really ought to be private between you and your god?
@uteofferus"However, when one group constantly gripes about the rest
of us, constantly protests and calls attention to themselves it gets old and
that does not help to reduce our prejudices either."And if
blacks would have just kept going to back of the bus and given up their seats,
instead of having all those ridiculous protests and marches, Congress would have
eventually passed the civil rights act. I happen to disagree, the
only way to get rid of discrimination and prejudice is to publicly expose it for
the hatred it is. It should make decent people feel uncomfortable about having
to hear about it. That's the point.
My heart aches for his wife and his children,,, I sure hope all this hoopla
makes him feel better, because he just ruined the lives of 3 other people...
Just because someone says they are gay, will not change any
problems in their life, and will not change who they are... He was elected to
do a job, DO IT!!
@Orson;"I don't announce such things, why should other
people?"-- Every time you hold your spouse's hand in public
you "announce" your sexual orientation. Every time you talk about
"my wife and I, or my husband and I", you "announce" your sexual
orientation. You're just so use to it that you don't even notice.My husband and I have been together for over 20 years. We never hold
hands, when we talk about our lives at work it's always the generic "we
..." rather than "my husband and I". We're so use to being
circumspect that it's 2nd nature now, but every time I've changed
jobs, or meet new people, I get questions like "what does your wife do"
or "how many kids do you have"; I have to "come out" over and
over again - or try to avoid those conversations altogether. It's actually
a bit tiring.@Uteofferouus;When your group stops passing
laws and discriminating against us, maybe we'll stop complaining about it.
Are his policy beliefs still the same? Will he continue to fulfill his campaign
promises and act in his position as commissioner as he did before? That’s
all I need to know.
Don’t Care - Why Tell?Other commenters have said this or that
as the reason(s) why, but Ok, he’s made the big announcement
and....crickets...All of yesterday’s reasons are ...
yesterday.I do feel sorry for his family - there apparently was a
lack of candor and/or understanding. I wish them the best
"there is a growing recognition, even in Utah County, that LGBT individuals
are integral members of our families and our communities and that they deserve
love and support from their fellow citizens."Funny that this
says "even in Utah County" and yet a bunch of posters on this board
don't get why he had to do it publicly. He's trying to help all those
out there who may be secretly suffering by those who don't believe the
statement above. It's way past time for change and I for one am glad to see
this man be open and public about his situation, providing courage to others who
may not feel they can go on.
To all the people complaining that they can't see why he needed to make a
big announcement - did you even read the article? He gave a number of VERY good
reasons for coming out in this way. I was touched by his empathy for all of the
other young people who are going through what he went through. I have had gay
friends who wanted to die. If these public coming-outs can prevent suicides and
help young gay people feel more at home in this world, then I approve!
Good for you Mr. Ivie, it’s not an easy thing to do to stand up and
announce you’re different! I hope for the day it won’t be
necessary, but until LGBTQ people can not be kicked out of housing, fired from
their employment, and the suicide rate among LGBTQ youth declines (especially in
Utah) it seems to be a necessary evil. If it weren’t for people like you
and others who live their lives openly it would still be impersonal for many
people and easier to forget our LGBTQ brothers and sisters. So good luck to you
and your family on your journey!
I fail to see why this required a public announcement. This is a personal
matter that is between him and his family. There's no reason why the rest
of us needed to be informed. I wish him and his family the best in their future
Wow. That is all I can say. Good for Mr. Ivie. I wish him all the best.
@FT - salt lake city, UTYou made the following point as a retort to
another's comment who said: "Just try to act like a decent human being
and you'll be fine."You said to that: "Unless you want
somebody to bake you a cake or ask for the same rights hetrosexuals have. Then
you might be trampling on someone's religious right to be
prejudicial".You know, the fact is that homosexuals are
different than heterosexuals in some important ways. If we try to pretend there
are no differences we simply are not being honest or real. Yes, some people will
be prejudicial because we view homosexuality as not being totally natural in
it's sexual expression (e.g., it is counter anatomical and counter
physiological) and in some other ways. So, yes prejudicial attitudes and
thoughts do exist in life, they always have and they always will. Given that fact, the best policy is to be kind and considerate to everyone
(despite their differences). However, when one group constantly gripes about the
rest of us, constantly protests and calls attention to themselves it gets old
and that does not help to reduce our prejudices either.
Ability counts, not sexual orientation. Okay, he is gay, so what? Gay folks have
been elected to public office before. Why didn't he disclose that before
the election? I vote for those whom I think they can do the job, regardless of
their gender or sexual orientation. Integrity is an issue.
Having the most amazing sympathy! Oh, for his poor wife. How devastating to
her world. Can’t quite get my head around why it’s so important for
him to disclose his thing!
@BlueMoonOden"Coming out" is about saving lives. Watch his
video. He simply doesn't want others to go through the pain he suffered
because of his sexual orientation. Its an act of courage and caring.
@PMSmith "I get tired of hearing people "come out"Me
too! People should keep their sexuality private, rather than parading it around
for everyone to see!For instance, I'm sick of seeing all the
heterosexuals telling us how straight they are. They make a big deal of their
relationships, by sending out wedding announcements, personal ads, and holding
high-school dances. They publish romance novels, soap operas, and even board
games in which teen girls pretend to go on dates with young men. They even
think it's normal and natural to show up as couples to things like
parent-teacher conferences. Can't they keep their sexuality out of the
sight of our innocent and vulnerable young children, instead of constantly
telling us who they are?
Why is this news? I don't care about the details of someone's sex
life unless they are doing something illegal. Just do the job you were elected
This guy has a track record of governance. Will his future be judged by his
constituents on that, or on his announcement? The answer to that question will
say more about the citizens of Utah County than it will about him.
I liked Robert Osborn, the late host of Turner Classic Movies. It didn't
come out until after he was dead that he was gay. He kept his personal
attractions to himself and didn't impose them on others or become an
activist trying to convert the world to LGBT whatever. He did his
job professionally; introduced movies with interesting information, and that was
it. He didn't have a need to announce who he was attracted to, to the
world. Let's stop with this public media spectacle stuff. The activism is
getting repetitive, tired, and very unnecessary.
I get the "get fired", "lose my job" etc, etc. The fact still
remains for me - these are issues that need to be debated and fixed, coming out
gay does not change that. Again my comment stands, if you do your job as a
commissioner you can help all of this wither you're gay, straight, crooked,
bent, whatever. No just go do your job.My second take
His message was honest, courageous, heartfelt, and healing, but I'm not
understanding why 'haters' enters this message. Correct, love and hate
cannot exist together. But, love and law can. Christ said: 'If ye love me,
keep my commandments.' The attempt to add God's laws to the
conversation is not to be interpreted as hate.
PMSmith - SANDY, UTMay 22, 2019 2:00 p.m.Who cares that you're
Gay - just go do your job! I get tired of hearing people "come
out" - The BYU student for example - who cares anymore? Just try to act like
a decent human being and you'll be fine.I have to agree. My
only brother is Gay but he never made a big deal over it. He came out while
attending the University of Iowa in the 80s. He quietly told his friends and
family but never felt like he needed to push it anyones face. My late
Grandfather was also Gay, though he had to hide it for so much of his life. He
freely acknowledged it about the same time as my brother did but again never
forced it on anyone. A persons sexual orientation is really no one else's
PMSmith,I'm with you. Why is who this fellow is attracted to news?Why do people keep having to announce that kind of thing to the world. I
don't announce such things, why should other people?
@PMSmith "Just try to act like a decent human being and you'll be
fine."Unless you want somebody to bake you a cake or ask for the same
rights hetrosexuals have. Then you might be trampling on someone's
religious right to be prejudicial.
When it comes to the effect on his family, the blame for that should go to
aspects of our culture that encourage people to enter marriages that are
unhappy, unfulfilling and unhealthy for to all involved.
@lost"if we’re not supposed to make a big deal about
someone’s sexual preference, why do they?"Because you want
to be able to fire him from his job, evict him from his apartment, take his
children from him, refuse to treat him in the ER, and refuse his children to
public schools. These are all laws rthat have been either brought up or passed
in Utah, Idaho, and other states. If it did not matter then you are right, there
would be no reason to bring it up. But it does matter, as long as people
continue to try to hurt those who are gay.
I hope that he will be treated with the kindness and respect he deserves.
"lost in DC - West Jordan, UTMay 22, 2019 1:36 p.m.You know, if
we’re not supposed to make a big deal about someone’s sexual
preference, why do they?"I can think of a few reasons,but the
number one is the possibility that other politicians or political enemies had
proof and were going to hold it over his head or release the info. Especially in
Utah County. I know it's sad in this day and age, but it happens.
Mr. Ivie, me and the people in Utah salute you for your job well done and your
courage and bravery! I may not know who you are or what you are going through,
but I will say that I am proud of you! You represent our values and our lovely
community we live in! And whatever life you live, it will be yours and yours
alone, not someone else's. Quite frankly, I think we need more people like
you to represent us! Keep being awesome!
Good for him. Accepting ourselves is often the first step to a healthier, more
Who cares that you're Gay - just go do your job! I get tired
of hearing people "come out" - The BYU student for example - who cares
anymore? Just try to act like a decent human being and you'll be fine.That's my take,
I predict we'll see a lot of "I don't have a problem with his
orientation but why would be make a big deal of it and talk about it in this
venue/way/platform/setting/context" here in the comments.
We've come a long way in our society when you hear the GOP's state
leader publically offer support. It's only a handful of religions and a
few elected leaders that still have prejudice and bias against one sexuality.
You know, if we’re not supposed to make a big deal about someone’s
sexual preference, why do they?I hope his soon-to-be ex wife and
kids will OK. I hope there is still familial affection between them all despite
what some could see as betrayal, and there may even be some feelings of
betrayal. I hope not. I do not know their dynamics and hope I do not sound
judgmental – just hope they can live normal, happy and productive lives.
Kudos to Commissioner Ivie for stating the simple truth that will liberate his
life. Being gay is not a perversion, it is a reality of life. And the sooner
we all accept that, the sooner we can all find common ground and get on with
solving important human issues in the world. And those of us whose religious
beliefs might challenge the notion that being gay is acceptable to God will just
have to deal with it. We are all sins and daughters of a living God and in His
love, He has presented challenges to each of us to see how we will react to the
world around us. So how do you think we’re doing so far?
That took a lot of courage. Wishing this family understanding, love, and
support as they transition to a new normal.