Trump stalks out on Democrats, demands end of investigations

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  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    May 24, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    DN, MANY news articles are publishing how Obama told the FBI and DOJ to stand down in their investigation of Hillary. This is NOT speculative but factual.

    Watch the news. The real collusion and obstruction was with Obama and Hillary. Obama ordered the FBI and DOJ to stand down in their investigation of Hillary. I believe that's called obstruction. Hillary had ties to Russia. That's collusion.
    The only obstruction from Trump was in not giving in to an investigation started with a fake dossier, paid for by Hillary.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    @2 bits (May 22, 2019 1:35 p.m.),

    The whataboutism is strong with this one...

    Why on earth would you use partisan Congressional bad behavior to justify partisan Executive branch bad behavior. My mom and dad taught me when I was young that "two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right'", and I'll bet yours did, too. I'm disappointed; I would've hoped that you would be opposed to moral relativism, or at least wouldn't infer that Trump's intransigence and recalcitrance is somehow justifiable.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 3:06 p.m.

    @Thid,

    Interesting that you would reference the "Tar Baby" story . . . Who ultimately prevailed in that one??

    Also, a couple of things with regard to your "no evidence of collusion/obstruction" statements:

    First, folks really need to stop referencing "collusion", because it's not a thing, legally; sort of like saying, "he was totally exonerated of 'being in cahoots' with..." (also not a thing, legally ). Continuing to parrot denials regarding "collusion" makes those who do so appear illiterate about basic legal concepts. What you're REALLY talking about is "conspiracy", which brings me to my second point: You have totally distorted the gist of the Mueller Report (completely consistent with the RWNJs' propaganda talking points). What you really meant to say, if you have any dedication to the truth, is that the Mueller Report was unable to support (i.e., couldn't meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt) charges of conspiracy with Russia to interfere with the 2016 election, that support for obstruction of justice charges was inconclusive but probable, and that the determination regarding obstruction of justice charges rightly and ultimately rests with Congress.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    May 23, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    Wgirl

    I agree with your assertions of trump lying about meetings, or ordering subordinates to fire mueller, or say "I love it" when the russians are hacking into the DNC and HRC email servers. Very unpresidential things to say, but where is the crime in that?

    Mueller clearly found no crime, if he found 10 different charges of obstruction then why didn't he bring charges, you say because of the rule not to indict a sitting president. Or was it because his actions are clearly not of a guilty person who hasnt committed a crime for which mueller lacked inculpatory evidence of said allegations and trump has constitutional privilege to protect the office of the president, in otherwords muellers obstruction charges would hold no wait in the court of law.

    And why would Trump subject himself to an interview and a perjury trap when he knows mueller had absolutely no evidence for a crime he didnt commit.

    "Mueller - a life long republican - ...was giving the leader of his party - Trump - every break he could"

    18 democrat donors on the mueller team, 2800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants, 40 fbi agents, 500 witnesses. Yeah he certainly gave the donald as many breaks he could, rediculous.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    @Sportsfan123 "This was a 30 million dollar political hack job, wake up."

    So you've read at least some of the Mueller report, right?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    May 23, 2019 10:42 a.m.

    @wgirl.
    You are right. Strictly illegal conduct is not required to impeach.

    But, Democrat’s pursuit of Trump is starting to look less like Watergate, with an actual crime, and more like Radical Republicans pursuit of impeachment for Andrew Johnson in the 1860s.

    Among several things Johnson's opposition threw at him was public drunkenness—behavior unbecoming a president.

    So, Democrats can impeach for whatever they want. But, voters will then decide whether it was worth it or not.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    wgirl
    RE: "Legality should not be the measure of "right" and "wrong"...
    ---
    Correct. But when it comes to Impeachment it has to be illegal (not just wrong). It is a "Legal" process, not a moral process. It's used when there are "Crimes" committed (not just unpopular things or even ethical things).

    The Constitution does not say we can impeach the President for doing something "wrong", unpopular, or even unethical. Sorry.

    The Constitution says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors"...

    It has to be a crime. They have to be convicted (not just done something "wrong").

    If we impeached every president who did something "Wrong", or unpopular, or even unethical... we would have no Presidents. Even Obama and Clinton would have been impeached (and every other President).

    This standard you guys have come up with... (we can impeach him if he did anything "wrong") is a false-narrative. It does have to be illegal, not just wrong.

    Every President has done something "wrong" (by one side or the other's judgement).

  • wgirl , 00
    May 23, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    @sports

    Legality should not be the measure of "right" and "wrong." There are many things that are legal that are wrong.

    Most Americans would agree that responding with "I love it!" to an invite from the government of a hostile foreign power to interfere with a Presidential election is wrong. Most Americans would agree that it is wrong for the President to sit on AF1 and concoct a lie about that meeting in order to cover it up. Most Americans would agree that it is wrong to pass on polling data on American citizens to the Russians.

    Trump would not sit down and answer Mueller's questions face to face. Mueller writes in his report that Trump's answers were "inadequate" but decided not to pursue a subpoena.

    Trump was dangling pardons and publically encouraging people not to cooperate with Mueller. Trump was ordering his staff and even private citizens to "fire Mueller." Mueller lists 10 different instances of obstruction - which is a crime in an of itself. Mueller did not indict because of the OLC opinion instead of challenging it.

    Mueller - a life-long Republican - may be partisan as you claim, but he was giving the leader of his Party - Trump - every break he could.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    May 23, 2019 6:37 a.m.

    I don’t doubt that Trump is seriously ethically (and probably legally) challenged. So, I like the congressional oversight.

    Some Democrats say they have sufficient evidence of Trump’s criminal or even treasonous activity. (Although it appears Mueller couldn’t find it.). Pelosi used the word “cover-up” yesterday, which for Americans over 60, was a word frequently associated with Watergate and Richard Nixon.

    Regardless of whether they have the votes to throw Trump out if Office, if Democrats truly believe Trump’s behavior is unacceptable in a president, they have a duty to initiate impeachment proceedings in order to stand on principle. Otherwise, the Democrats are simply playing politics and not defending and protecting the Constitution.

    If Democrats are interested in independent votes, it’s time for courageous action, and not business as usual.

    But, Pelosi is a very sharp political tactician that does not have a history of bold, principled action.

    Watching, waiting, not holding my breath.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 23, 2019 6:22 a.m.

    Comrades, countrymen, and deep state trump Trump Supporters, your glorious leader (Donald J Trump) cannot have close ties to Russians without investigations. His long history of doing business with Russians (nearly 30 years) has left many Americans to ponder as to where he gets his money?

    Your glorious leader (Donald J Trump) is held to the same standards as you and I.
    He will give full disclosure on his tax returns, he will comply with our constitutional laws, and he will be impeached.

    The United States of America is NOT puppet to Putin and mother Russia.

    Russia is not our friend!

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:49 p.m.

    Lib on planet scion
    Wgirl
    Old man

    "This investigation did not establish that anyone in the trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activitie's"

    "If we had confidence after a thourough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and applicable legal standards, we are unbale to reach that judgement." "While the report does not conclude that the president committed a crime , it also does not exonerate him"
    Mueller report

    The "does not exonerate" comment shows just how politically partisan mueller is, prosecutors do not seek to exonerate, they find evidence of a crime and they found none. The presumption of innocence unless proven guilty clearly means trump was exonerated if there was no crime

    So did Mueller get fired? No. Were the documents changed for the WH record? No

    No actions no crime, since when is it a crime tell someone to do something that doesnt get done, a crime?

    Please explain how you can establish corrupt intent to obstruct when there is no inculpatory evidence of said crime?

    This was a 30 million dollar political hack job, wake up.

  • wgirl , 00
    May 22, 2019 10:32 p.m.

    Did Obama throw a fit and refuse to work until Trump's investigations into his birth certificate were ended? No, he had the maturity to rise above it.

    Did Obama storm out of meetings and hold press conferences to give ultimatums to the Republicans to end the Benghazi investigation? Hillary's email investigation? Or he would refuse to pull the economy out of the Great Recession...refuse to ban pre-existing conditions...refuse to hunt and kill Osama Bin Laden. No, he was man enough to keep doing his job even though the Republicans were fighting him with all they had.

    Trump is a child. He has turned the office of the President of the United States into a joke. His mean-girl tweeting and name-calling is a national embarrassment. He is not fit for office.

    Trump is a serial adulterer, a self-confessed tax cheat, and a known fraudster. It would be a dereliction of duty for the Congress to set aside its Constitutional role as a check on the executive branch when it is led by a person with that kind of character - or lack thereof.

    Also, Pelosi hit the nail on the head. Trump's real issue is that he "lacks confidence." He has no real infrastructure plan.

    Trump is afraid of truth

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 22, 2019 7:22 p.m.

    He certainly looked childish and weak pulling this stunt today.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 5:18 p.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "NO obstruction!"

    The only reason Trump isn't indicted by Mueller is because of justice department guidelines against impeaching a sitting president, and the only reason your statement isn't a lie is because lying is based on deceit, not ignorance.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    May 22, 2019 5:02 p.m.

    "To all the Trump haters challenging conservatives if they have read the Mueller report. Barr has made available a mostly un-redacted copy of the report available for democrat congressman and senators to review, please ask them why they haven't gone over to read it."

    I called our Republican Senators and my own Republican representative to ask if they have read it.

    Bishop's mouthpiece wouldn't answer the question.

    Mitt's said, "Yes, he has." (And judging by the few things Mitt has said about it, I believe he has.)

    Mike Lee's talker had the most interesting answer though, and this a direct quote, "Well, he CLAIMS he has read it, but I can't say for sure."

    As for me, I have read almost all of the redacted version, and even with the redactions, there is absolutely no doubt that there was obstruction. In fact, Mueller even comes right out and says in plain English that there was. BUT, he also pointed out that the DOJ says a sitting president cannot be indicted. And for that reason alone, he tossed the ball to Congress.

    Now trump and friends are scared nearly witless that the TRUTH will come out if they cannot stop the investigation.

    So, again trump fans, READ THE REPORT

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    May 22, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    What happened to people who can walk and chew gum at the same time. If there is "nothing " behind the "phony" investigations, then show the evidence and move on.

    If the President is such a great organizer, he should be able to work other pressing issues, like infrastructure along with other issues like Iran, paying his taxes, and providing evidence that "he's the most open President in US history."

    So far he's only demonstrated he's a good showman giving the alt-right the show they want.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 22, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    Remember all those 2016 polls and exit interviews by the letter gangs. Hillary won. woops.

    Did you see all the big letter gangs polls and predictions on telling us the liberals were winning in Australia, woops, the conservatives won.

    And as has been said by James Carville in a prior election, "The economy stupid". Got Bill elected. Dems keep telling us how bad the economy is for the working class, then tell us it's Obama's economy.

    Wont make any points telling us this position.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    Good call president Trump. Looking forward to the investigation of the investigation.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 22, 2019 3:21 p.m.

    Here's breaking news to set Trump off on another tantrum. A federal judge ruled that two banks can turn over Trump's financial documents in response to congressional subpoenas. Yeah, Donald. That ole man river jes' keep rolling along.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:20 p.m.

    at long last
    RE: "McAdams is right there, working alongside Pelosi"...
    ---
    Good point.

    That's one seat in Democrats are probably going to lose in 2020. I don't see him getting re-elected if he keeps this up. There's probably more who's constituents will throw out after this constantly trying to demonize and destroy support the President for their party's political gain, instead of getting anything done for the people.

    What has Congress done lately?

    We still have a crisis on the border.
    We still have outrageous debt and a horendous health care mish-mash of publicly-funded and privately-funded insurance.

    A lot of things need fix'in, and none of it's getting done. They are all just posturing and campaigning to be President!

    If they don't get some of the major problems fixed before 2020 i say throw them all out.

    And if Ben McAdams doesn't find something he can vote with Republicans on, not one... he's probably out in 2020 too.

    Call him. Write to him. Warn him. He may not see this coming! But he's probably out if he doesn't change course a little. And I like him (at least I liked the Ben McAdams that was in the middle of Rs and Ds, not the D all the time Ben)

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:18 p.m.

    Welcome to the NFL, Nancy.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    May 22, 2019 3:10 p.m.

    The next election is about the fitness of Trump to hold office for another 4 years. It's not about the economy or anything else. Polls show him losing to Biden and and a few others right now. But he's tied in FL so he still has a shot.

    He cannot allow more info to come out and blow his cover. The only play he has is to obstruct obstruct obstruct and use Barr to raise a stink about a phony FBI conspiracy against Trump. It just might work. His supporters are just that clueless.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:55 p.m.

    Thid, loved your analogy of Briar Rabbit.

    To all the Trump haters challenging conservatives if they have read the Mueller report. Barr has made available a mostly un-redacted copy of the report available for democrat congressman and senators to review, please ask them why they haven't gone over to read it.

    This impeachment story has nothing to do with facts and constitutional law. It is meant to convince the mob to rule with out the law. Is there a constitutional crises as the dems say? Yes, the constitution is in the way of their power grab and the crisis is the constitutional protections that are stopping them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    @Heretic
    RE: "Except Clinton didn't demand an end to the investigations"...
    ---
    au contraire mon frair

    Have you forgotten?

    Google "Timeline of Key Moments in the Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal - Time"...

    Clinton tried to stop it. He hired lawyers to fight the Star investigation all along the way. Especially when it started on the tangent about if Lewinsky lied in her testimony in the Paula Jones case.

    Jan. 7: Lewinsky signed an affidavit stating she never had a sexual relationship with Clinton.

    Later her friend told FBI Lewinsky admitted the affair to her. They got her to wear a wire and recorded Lewinsky admitting they had a sexual affair. So that became a spin-off investigation (into Lewinsky and Clinton's purgery in testimony in the Jones case).

    Clinton tried to stop that too.

    Jan. 16: A court of appeals panel gives Starr the green light to add the Clinton-Lewinsky allegations to his portfolio to see if she lied under oath.

    ===

    RE: "It's almost funny to watch Trump fan club try and justify his obstruction of justice"...
    ---
    Also funny to watch Democrats justify Clinton's pergury and obstruction (admitted to by himself and other witnesses once the story fell apart).

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 22, 2019 2:34 p.m.

    Good for Trump. The Democrats tried for over two years to find something and the Mueller investigation with 13 biased lawyers didn't find anything, and they just cannot get over it. The Democrats should start working for the American people and not just being obstructionists and 'resisting'. They don't really have the guts to impeach him as that would probably win him the re-election coming up. McAdams is right there, working alongside Pelosi, too.

  • David Centerville, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    " Trump was due to provide the Democrats his ideas on how to pay for it. Schumer said when Trump 'was forced to say how he would pay for it he had to run away.'"

    It is not the president's constitutional responsibility to write budgetary law. The president has no obligation to provide ideas for paying for an infrustructure effort, unless he wants to have input. It is Congress that will write the bills and holds the power of the Treasury. Congress, specifically House Democrats, are abdicating their responsibility to govern, and have truly done nothing. No ideas, no meaningful legislation coming out of the Democratic Congress.

    It was Mueller's responsibility to investigate and state whether laws had been broken. He didn't state in his report that laws had been broken, just that laws may have been broken with regard to obstruction.

    Congress has a direct benefit by dragging out these investigations--they want to damage Trump's brand prior to the election. This is pure politics and specifically election politics.

    Congress should get back to work on the real business of the country.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    May 22, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    Pelosi sure knows what buttons to push with this poor guy.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    Yuge Opportunity-

    “It's obvious they can't succeed at removing him. All the anti-Trump sentiment they spew on the floor of the House will just float off into space. Trump-bashing is already just so much background noise that no one pays attention to it anymore.”

    Possibly take a “yuge” opportunity and actually read Mueller’s report prior to regurgitating meaningless Faux News talking points.

    Carnival Barker -
    “Impeach President Trump for what? After 4 separate investigations, nearly $30 million taxpayer dollars and two years wasted, NO collusion, NO obstruction!”

    “there is no evidence of collusion/obstruction, just like AG Barr said! No evidence (facts) collusion/obstruction! The Mueller report is both opinion and fact and the fact is no evidence collusion obstruction could be found!”

    Continuing on with the daily posting propaganda, flat out misinformation and of course low information. Possibly you’ll actually read the report! You’re obviously afraid of the truth comrade.

    Lost Again -❄️
    “Love seeing the dems in turmoil – the less they can do they damage they can do.”

    Ongoing low information at its finest comrade. Read the report! I dare you. You’re welcome.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 22, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    Lost in DC, "Doing putin’s dirty work? Is that why our relations with Russia are much more strained than when hilary sold them our uranium?"

    How could Trump's relationship with Putin be strained when at the G20 Summit Trump runs around the dining room, falls to his knees in front of Putin and begs for attention.
    At Helsinki Trump STRONGLY defends Putin over our own intelligence agencies.

    I mean, "WOW!". You can not make this stuff up.

    Russians are cheering for Trump.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    What a phony response from the Dems. They are hauling everyone they can think of into hearings to keep the collusion farce alive, then they play dumb when Trump calls them out.

    Priceless move by Trump.

    They aren't dealing with W or Mitt here. Their games won't work.

    Trump should have done this months ago.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 1:51 p.m.

    So Trump yesterday goes off about wanting trade deals done before talking about infrastructure. Then early this morning goes on a Twitter tirade before the democrats morning meeting even happened then storms out minutes into his meeting with democrats to address the media his aids just happened to have organized crime n the rose garden and class ms it was due democrats attacks during their mornings no meeting. Talk about scripted. It is very clearly not democrats that are refusing to work together.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 22, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    Why would he work with a group of people who are obviously just out to get him?

    I don't see why Democrats are having a hard time understanding this.

    They would do the same thing. They did the same thing, when they changed the locks on the committee chamber doors when Obama was President.

    Google "Democrats lock Republicans out of committee room | TheHill"...
    or "House Democrats Lock GOP Out of Committee Room - WSJ"...
    or "changing the locks - Washington Post"...
    If you have forgotten already.

    They were mad at R's and changed the locks. So they had to ask Democrats for the keys to hold committee meetings.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    May 22, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    Trump followers' not reading the Mueller Report reminds me of growing up Catholic, with little encouragement or incentive to read the Bible. With the right amount of faith and the priesthood, there was no reason to know what was actually written in the Good Book. Same with the Mueller report apparently.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    Of course Thid and the other trump-supporters haven't read the report, nor will they.
    They are told what to think about Trump on their favorite Republican Propaganda Channel.
    They don't care what Trump does or says, they only care that liberals are angry. That is the sweetest nectar to them.
    They are happy to ignore Trump's malfeasance and moral bankruptcy because the liberals are crying!

  • one old man MSC, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    Interesting that NONE of trump's faithful followers here have answered my questions about having or not read the Mueller report.

    Okay. We get it. You haven't.

    How about another set of important questions?

    1. If YOU had been accused of something you knew was completely false, would you fight to prevent investigation, or would you be demanding it to prove yourself innocent?

    2. If YOU had been accused of something, and you knew you were guilty, would you be inclined to try to deny it and stop any investigations?

    We are all waiting to hear your answers.

    But not holding our breath.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    @thid

    Have you read the report?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    Clinton Demands end to Whitewater probes, walks out of GOP meeting.

    They found no wrong doing in the whitewater probe none, this is just a fishing trip looking for anything.

    Except that Clinton didn't demand an end to the investigations even when it went wildly off the tracks with the Monica situation. I guess he should have refused to be questioned, you know cause perjury traps and all.

    It's almost funny to watch Trump fan club try and justify his obstruction of justice, over and over.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    May 22, 2019 11:33 a.m.

    So Trump today said he's the most transparent president in history, and that he doesn't do cover-ups. He's got some magical hold on you supporters, where you either believe him, or you don't care. Astonishing.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    Trump is behaving just like he is; scared and guilty.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    May 22, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    McClark, exactly. They have broken their oath of office, imo. Including Romney and Lee.

    Also, there is no point in reasoning with Trump followers. They haven't read the report, don't want to, and they don't care about Trump's obstruction or gross abuse of power. The choose Trump over the rule of law.

    Mueller specifically said in the report that there were instances of obstruction, and that it is a matter for congress to take up because DOJ policy would not allow him to indict a sitting president. For some reason, Trump supporters simply cannot digest that.

    Shoot someone on 5th avenue indeed.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    May 22, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    Your request is likely to be denied, Mr. Trump, and it should be. Accountability in Government is required of all Federal office holders, elected or appointed. That does not exempt the President. You should have been made aware of that before you decided to run for the highest office in the land.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Trump has been a quitter, complainer, liar and cheat his whole life. Some people admire him for that, others do not.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    Interesting that the headline is about trump leaving the meeting, but the article is about dem hand-wringing over what to do about trump.

    Dems would rather continue their witch-hunt than actually get things done

    They are more concerned about politics than doing what is right for us.

    Good for trump on calling them out – don’t know that this is the best way to do it, however.

    Love seeing the dems in turmoil – the less they can do they damage they can do.

    LOU
    Doing putin’s dirty work? Is that why our relations with Russia are much more strained than when hilary sold them our uranium?

    Marxist, old man
    If there was no collusion to hide, how can there be obstruction? A vigorous defense is not obstruction. But then, I’m sure liberals will read what they want into it. They could read the story of Little Bo Peep and find trump obstruction.

    Mcclark
    Maybe these guys should appear before congress and plead the 5th, like so many of BO’s team did.

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    May 22, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    The king has made a royal degree that must be obeyed. Or does it? Stay tuned.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    Took his ball and went upstairs.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    The problem with impeachment which Trump richly deserves is the Republicans have demonstrated that Trump could murder someone on the floor of the Senate and they would deny that he did.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    Obstructing an obstruction investigation is just what the framers had in mind for impeachment..

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    May 22, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    Yes, and there is no evidence of collusion/obstruction, just like AG Barr said! Some uncomplimentary opinions about President Trump but no evidence (facts)of collusion/obstruction! Democrats need to be reminded that opinions are not evidence and opinions are not facts!
    The Mueller report is both opinion and fact and the fact is no evidence of collusion/obstruction could be found! A person's opinion of the report doesn't matter and that is a fact! Believe what you want about the Mueller report but the facts (and opinions) speak for themselves! The problem is some people can't seem to separate fact from opinion!

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    Well Thid, we know how the Dems are playing it. They are going to insist Trump colluded and obstructed, despite what happened. It's in the report, they say. Mueller just doesn't understand his own work.

    And, all sorts of things can happen when they are trying to entrap you. It's funny that these other posters didn't mention the dirty tricks at the Obama White House detailed in the report.

    But that's politics these days. You believe your narrative to save face.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    @Thid " Democrats once were totally convinced Mueller was their savior! Now they are "punching" the report actually believing that it doesn't matter that no evidence of collusion/obstruction could be found,..."

    You've read Mueller right Thid?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    thid, will you answer my question?

    Have you actually read the Mueller report?

    A simple Yes or No will do.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    May 22, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    Democrats should go back and read the Uncle Remus story of the “tar baby.” The fictional character was a mannequin (read Mueller investigation) made of tar that Br’er Fox constructed to trap Br’er Rabbit. The more the bunny punched the tar baby, the more he became stuck. Democrats once were totally convinced Mueller was their savior! Now they are "punching" the report actually believing that it doesn't matter that no evidence of collusion/obstruction could be found, it JUST has to be there, it must be, somehow? Do you hear laughter?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    From the Mueller Report:

    "First, McGahn's clear recollection was that the President directed him to tell Rosenstein not only that conflicts existed but also that "Mueller has to go." McGahn is a credible witness with no motive to lie or exaggerate given the position he held in the White House.601 McGahn spoke with the President twice and understood the directive the same way both times, making it unlikely that he misheard or misinterpreted the President's request. In response to that request, McGahn decided to quit because he did not want to participate in events that he described as akin to the Saturday Night Massacre. He called his lawyer, drove to the White House, packed up his office, prepared to submit a resignation letter with his chief of staff, told Priebus that the President had asked him to "do crazy s***," and informed Priebus and Bannon that he was leaving..."

    This is clear obstruction of justice.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:13 a.m.

    yuge and thid, have either of you actually read any of the Mueller report?

    I'm past page 400 and coming up on the home stretch. There is no way anyone could read that report and still believe there was no obstruction unless they have allowed trump to completely delude them into believing him.

    Or unless they were a Russian troll/bot.

    It was also VERY interesting yesterday when I called the Washington offices of Mike Lee, Mitt, and Rob Bishop to ask if each of them had actually read the report.

    Mitt's man said, "Yes, he has." And judging by Mitt's comments about it, I believe he has.

    Bishop's man wouldn't answer the question directly, and instead jumped right into claiming that Democrats are out to get trump.

    But Mike Lee's guy had the most interesting comment of all. He said, (and this is a quote) "Well, he CLAIMS he has, but I can't really say for sure."

    Those three phone calls tell a lot about our members of Congress.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    @Yuge "It's obvious they can't succeed at removing him. "

    You've read the Mueller Report right? I'm toiling my way through the currently redacted version now. Don't be so sure Yuge.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 22, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    Trump is doing Putin's dirty work by creating world hatred for America, breaking our relationship with our allies, and creating division within our own country.

    Putin has manipulated Trump and his followers very well. Trump knows that it's all about to collapse and is looking for an escape.

    Trump is begging to be impeached so he can go back to his life of living off other people's money.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    May 22, 2019 8:40 a.m.

    Impeach President Trump for what? After 4 separate investigations, nearly $30 million taxpayer dollars and two years wasted, NO collusion, NO obstruction! Go for it Democrats and the voter backlash will shock even you!

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    May 22, 2019 6:55 a.m.

    Do it, please.

    That single action will pretty much guarantee a Trump win in 2020.

    It's obvious they can't succeed at removing him. All the anti-Trump sentiment they spew on the floor of the House will just float off into space. Trump-bashing is already just so much background noise that no one pays attention to it anymore.

    What it DOES show the voters is that the Dems got nothin' to offer but ID politics, odd green ideas and free stuff socialism. How far can that take them on election day?