DN, MANY news articles are publishing how Obama told the FBI and DOJ to stand
down in their investigation of Hillary. This is NOT speculative but factual.Watch the news. The real collusion and obstruction was with Obama and
Hillary. Obama ordered the FBI and DOJ to stand down in their investigation of
Hillary. I believe that's called obstruction. Hillary had ties to Russia.
That's collusion.The only obstruction from Trump was in not giving in
to an investigation started with a fake dossier, paid for by Hillary.
@2 bits (May 22, 2019 1:35 p.m.),The whataboutism is strong with
this one...Why on earth would you use partisan Congressional bad
behavior to justify partisan Executive branch bad behavior. My mom and dad
taught me when I was young that "two 'wrongs' don't make a
'right'", and I'll bet yours did, too. I'm
disappointed; I would've hoped that you would be opposed to moral
relativism, or at least wouldn't infer that Trump's intransigence and
recalcitrance is somehow justifiable.
@Thid,Interesting that you would reference the "Tar Baby"
story . . . Who ultimately prevailed in that one??Also, a couple of
things with regard to your "no evidence of collusion/obstruction"
statements:First, folks really need to stop referencing
"collusion", because it's not a thing, legally; sort of like
saying, "he was totally exonerated of 'being in cahoots'
with..." (also not a thing, legally ). Continuing to parrot denials
regarding "collusion" makes those who do so appear illiterate about
basic legal concepts. What you're REALLY talking about is
"conspiracy", which brings me to my second point: You have totally
distorted the gist of the Mueller Report (completely consistent with the
RWNJs' propaganda talking points). What you really meant to say, if you
have any dedication to the truth, is that the Mueller Report was unable to
support (i.e., couldn't meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable
doubt) charges of conspiracy with Russia to interfere with the 2016 election,
that support for obstruction of justice charges was inconclusive but probable,
and that the determination regarding obstruction of justice charges rightly and
ultimately rests with Congress.
WgirlI agree with your assertions of trump lying about meetings, or
ordering subordinates to fire mueller, or say "I love it" when the
russians are hacking into the DNC and HRC email servers. Very unpresidential
things to say, but where is the crime in that?Mueller clearly found
no crime, if he found 10 different charges of obstruction then why didn't
he bring charges, you say because of the rule not to indict a sitting president.
Or was it because his actions are clearly not of a guilty person who hasnt
committed a crime for which mueller lacked inculpatory evidence of said
allegations and trump has constitutional privilege to protect the office of the
president, in otherwords muellers obstruction charges would hold no wait in the
court of law.And why would Trump subject himself to an interview and
a perjury trap when he knows mueller had absolutely no evidence for a crime he
didnt commit."Mueller - a life long republican - ...was giving
the leader of his party - Trump - every break he could"18
democrat donors on the mueller team, 2800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants, 40 fbi
agents, 500 witnesses. Yeah he certainly gave the donald as many breaks he
@Sportsfan123 "This was a 30 million dollar political hack job, wake
up."So you've read at least some of the Mueller report,
@wgirl. You are right. Strictly illegal conduct is not required to
impeach. But, Democrat’s pursuit of Trump is starting to look
less like Watergate, with an actual crime, and more like Radical Republicans
pursuit of impeachment for Andrew Johnson in the 1860s. Among
several things Johnson's opposition threw at him was public
drunkenness—behavior unbecoming a president. So, Democrats can
impeach for whatever they want. But, voters will then decide whether it was
worth it or not.
wgirlRE: "Legality should not be the measure of "right" and
"wrong"...---Correct. But when it comes to Impeachment it
has to be illegal (not just wrong). It is a "Legal" process, not a
moral process. It's used when there are "Crimes" committed (not
just unpopular things or even ethical things).The Constitution does
not say we can impeach the President for doing something "wrong",
unpopular, or even unethical. Sorry.The Constitution says, "The
President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be
removed from Office on Impeachment for Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other
high Crimes and Misdemeanors"...It has to be a crime. They have
to be convicted (not just done something "wrong").If we
impeached every president who did something "Wrong", or unpopular, or
even unethical... we would have no Presidents. Even Obama and Clinton would
have been impeached (and every other President).This standard you
guys have come up with... (we can impeach him if he did anything
"wrong") is a false-narrative. It does have to be illegal, not just
wrong.Every President has done something "wrong" (by one
side or the other's judgement).
@sportsLegality should not be the measure of "right" and
"wrong." There are many things that are legal that are wrong. Most Americans would agree that responding with "I love it!" to an
invite from the government of a hostile foreign power to interfere with a
Presidential election is wrong. Most Americans would agree that it is wrong for
the President to sit on AF1 and concoct a lie about that meeting in order to
cover it up. Most Americans would agree that it is wrong to pass on polling data
on American citizens to the Russians. Trump would not sit down and
answer Mueller's questions face to face. Mueller writes in his report that
Trump's answers were "inadequate" but decided not to pursue a
subpoena. Trump was dangling pardons and publically encouraging
people not to cooperate with Mueller. Trump was ordering his staff and even
private citizens to "fire Mueller." Mueller lists 10 different instances
of obstruction - which is a crime in an of itself. Mueller did not indict
because of the OLC opinion instead of challenging it. Mueller - a
life-long Republican - may be partisan as you claim, but he was giving the
leader of his Party - Trump - every break he could.
I don’t doubt that Trump is seriously ethically (and probably legally)
challenged. So, I like the congressional oversight. Some Democrats
say they have sufficient evidence of Trump’s criminal or even treasonous
activity. (Although it appears Mueller couldn’t find it.). Pelosi used
the word “cover-up” yesterday, which for Americans over 60, was a
word frequently associated with Watergate and Richard Nixon. Regardless of whether they have the votes to throw Trump out if Office, if
Democrats truly believe Trump’s behavior is unacceptable in a president,
they have a duty to initiate impeachment proceedings in order to stand on
principle. Otherwise, the Democrats are simply playing politics and not
defending and protecting the Constitution. If Democrats are
interested in independent votes, it’s time for courageous action, and not
business as usual. But, Pelosi is a very sharp political tactician
that does not have a history of bold, principled action. Watching,
waiting, not holding my breath.
Comrades, countrymen, and deep state trump Trump Supporters, your glorious
leader (Donald J Trump) cannot have close ties to Russians without
investigations. His long history of doing business with Russians (nearly 30
years) has left many Americans to ponder as to where he gets his money?Your glorious leader (Donald J Trump) is held to the same standards as you and
I.He will give full disclosure on his tax returns, he will comply with our
constitutional laws, and he will be impeached.The United States of
America is NOT puppet to Putin and mother Russia.Russia is not our
Lib on planet scionWgirlOld man"This investigation
did not establish that anyone in the trump campaign coordinated with the Russian
government in it's election interference activitie's""If we had confidence after a thourough investigation of the facts that
the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
Based on the facts and applicable legal standards, we are unbale to reach that
judgement." "While the report does not conclude that the president
committed a crime , it also does not exonerate him"Mueller reportThe "does not exonerate" comment shows just how politically
partisan mueller is, prosecutors do not seek to exonerate, they find evidence of
a crime and they found none. The presumption of innocence unless proven guilty
clearly means trump was exonerated if there was no crimeSo did
Mueller get fired? No. Were the documents changed for the WH record? NoNo actions no crime, since when is it a crime tell someone to do something
that doesnt get done, a crime?Please explain how you can establish
corrupt intent to obstruct when there is no inculpatory evidence of said
crime?This was a 30 million dollar political hack job, wake up.
Did Obama throw a fit and refuse to work until Trump's investigations into
his birth certificate were ended? No, he had the maturity to rise above it.Did Obama storm out of meetings and hold press conferences to give
ultimatums to the Republicans to end the Benghazi investigation? Hillary's
email investigation? Or he would refuse to pull the economy out of the Great
Recession...refuse to ban pre-existing conditions...refuse to hunt and kill
Osama Bin Laden. No, he was man enough to keep doing his job even though the
Republicans were fighting him with all they had.Trump is a child. He
has turned the office of the President of the United States into a joke. His
mean-girl tweeting and name-calling is a national embarrassment. He is not fit
for office. Trump is a serial adulterer, a self-confessed tax cheat,
and a known fraudster. It would be a dereliction of duty for the Congress to set
aside its Constitutional role as a check on the executive branch when it is led
by a person with that kind of character - or lack thereof. Also,
Pelosi hit the nail on the head. Trump's real issue is that he "lacks
confidence." He has no real infrastructure plan. Trump is afraid
He certainly looked childish and weak pulling this stunt today.
@Thid Barker"NO obstruction!" The only reason Trump
isn't indicted by Mueller is because of justice department guidelines
against impeaching a sitting president, and the only reason your statement
isn't a lie is because lying is based on deceit, not ignorance.
"To all the Trump haters challenging conservatives if they have read the
Mueller report. Barr has made available a mostly un-redacted copy of the report
available for democrat congressman and senators to review, please ask them why
they haven't gone over to read it."I called our Republican
Senators and my own Republican representative to ask if they have read it.Bishop's mouthpiece wouldn't answer the question.Mitt's said, "Yes, he has." (And judging by the few things Mitt
has said about it, I believe he has.)Mike Lee's talker had the
most interesting answer though, and this a direct quote, "Well, he CLAIMS he
has read it, but I can't say for sure."As for me, I have
read almost all of the redacted version, and even with the redactions, there is
absolutely no doubt that there was obstruction. In fact, Mueller even comes
right out and says in plain English that there was. BUT, he also pointed out
that the DOJ says a sitting president cannot be indicted. And for that reason
alone, he tossed the ball to Congress.Now trump and friends are
scared nearly witless that the TRUTH will come out if they cannot stop the
investigation. So, again trump fans, READ THE REPORT
What happened to people who can walk and chew gum at the same time. If there is
"nothing " behind the "phony" investigations, then show the
evidence and move on.If the President is such a great organizer, he
should be able to work other pressing issues, like infrastructure along with
other issues like Iran, paying his taxes, and providing evidence that
"he's the most open President in US history."So far
he's only demonstrated he's a good showman giving the alt-right the
show they want.
Remember all those 2016 polls and exit interviews by the letter gangs. Hillary
won. woops.Did you see all the big letter gangs polls and
predictions on telling us the liberals were winning in Australia, woops, the
conservatives won.And as has been said by James Carville in a prior
election, "The economy stupid". Got Bill elected. Dems keep telling
us how bad the economy is for the working class, then tell us it's
Obama's economy.Wont make any points telling us this position.
Good call president Trump. Looking forward to the investigation of the
Here's breaking news to set Trump off on another tantrum. A federal judge
ruled that two banks can turn over Trump's financial documents in response
to congressional subpoenas. Yeah, Donald. That ole man river jes' keep
at long lastRE: "McAdams is right there, working alongside
Pelosi"...---Good point.That's one seat in
Democrats are probably going to lose in 2020. I don't see him getting
re-elected if he keeps this up. There's probably more who's
constituents will throw out after this constantly trying to demonize and destroy
support the President for their party's political gain, instead of getting
anything done for the people.What has Congress done lately?We still have a crisis on the border.We still have outrageous debt and a
horendous health care mish-mash of publicly-funded and privately-funded
insurance.A lot of things need fix'in, and none of it's
getting done. They are all just posturing and campaigning to be President!If they don't get some of the major problems fixed before 2020 i
say throw them all out.And if Ben McAdams doesn't find
something he can vote with Republicans on, not one... he's probably out in
2020 too.Call him. Write to him. Warn him. He may not see this
coming! But he's probably out if he doesn't change course a little.
And I like him (at least I liked the Ben McAdams that was in the middle of Rs
and Ds, not the D all the time Ben)
Welcome to the NFL, Nancy.
The next election is about the fitness of Trump to hold office for another 4
years. It's not about the economy or anything else. Polls show him losing
to Biden and and a few others right now. But he's tied in FL so he still
has a shot. He cannot allow more info to come out and blow his
cover. The only play he has is to obstruct obstruct obstruct and use Barr to
raise a stink about a phony FBI conspiracy against Trump. It just might work.
His supporters are just that clueless.
Thid, loved your analogy of Briar Rabbit.To all the Trump haters
challenging conservatives if they have read the Mueller report. Barr has made
available a mostly un-redacted copy of the report available for democrat
congressman and senators to review, please ask them why they haven't gone
over to read it.This impeachment story has nothing to do with facts
and constitutional law. It is meant to convince the mob to rule with out the
law. Is there a constitutional crises as the dems say? Yes, the constitution
is in the way of their power grab and the crisis is the constitutional
protections that are stopping them.
@HereticRE: "Except Clinton didn't demand an end to the
investigations"...---au contraire mon frairHave you
forgotten?Google "Timeline of Key Moments in the
Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal - Time"...Clinton tried to stop it. He
hired lawyers to fight the Star investigation all along the way. Especially
when it started on the tangent about if Lewinsky lied in her testimony in the
Paula Jones case.Jan. 7: Lewinsky signed an affidavit stating she
never had a sexual relationship with Clinton.Later her friend told
FBI Lewinsky admitted the affair to her. They got her to wear a wire and
recorded Lewinsky admitting they had a sexual affair. So that became a
spin-off investigation (into Lewinsky and Clinton's purgery in testimony in
the Jones case).Clinton tried to stop that too. Jan.
16: A court of appeals panel gives Starr the green light to add the
Clinton-Lewinsky allegations to his portfolio to see if she lied under oath.===RE: "It's almost funny to watch Trump fan club
try and justify his obstruction of justice"...---Also funny to
watch Democrats justify Clinton's pergury and obstruction (admitted to by
himself and other witnesses once the story fell apart).
Good for Trump. The Democrats tried for over two years to find something and
the Mueller investigation with 13 biased lawyers didn't find anything, and
they just cannot get over it. The Democrats should start working for the
American people and not just being obstructionists and 'resisting'.
They don't really have the guts to impeach him as that would probably win
him the re-election coming up. McAdams is right there, working alongside
" Trump was due to provide the Democrats his ideas on how to pay for it.
Schumer said when Trump 'was forced to say how he would pay for it he had
to run away.'"It is not the president's constitutional
responsibility to write budgetary law. The president has no obligation to
provide ideas for paying for an infrustructure effort, unless he wants to have
input. It is Congress that will write the bills and holds the power of the
Treasury. Congress, specifically House Democrats, are abdicating their
responsibility to govern, and have truly done nothing. No ideas, no meaningful
legislation coming out of the Democratic Congress.It was
Mueller's responsibility to investigate and state whether laws had been
broken. He didn't state in his report that laws had been broken, just that
laws may have been broken with regard to obstruction. Congress has
a direct benefit by dragging out these investigations--they want to damage
Trump's brand prior to the election. This is pure politics and
specifically election politics. Congress should get back to work on
the real business of the country.
Pelosi sure knows what buttons to push with this poor guy.
Yuge Opportunity-“It's obvious they can't succeed at
removing him. All the anti-Trump sentiment they spew on the floor of the House
will just float off into space. Trump-bashing is already just so much background
noise that no one pays attention to it anymore.”Possibly take
a “yuge” opportunity and actually read Mueller’s report prior
to regurgitating meaningless Faux News talking points. Carnival
Barker - “Impeach President Trump for what? After 4 separate
investigations, nearly $30 million taxpayer dollars and two years wasted, NO
collusion, NO obstruction!”“there is no evidence of
collusion/obstruction, just like AG Barr said! No evidence (facts)
collusion/obstruction! The Mueller report is both opinion and fact and the fact
is no evidence collusion obstruction could be found!”Continuing on with the daily posting propaganda, flat out misinformation and
of course low information. Possibly you’ll actually read the report!
You’re obviously afraid of the truth comrade. Lost Again
-❄️ “Love seeing the dems in turmoil – the less
they can do they damage they can do.”Ongoing low information
at its finest comrade. Read the report! I dare you. You’re welcome.
Lost in DC, "Doing putin’s dirty work? Is that why our relations with
Russia are much more strained than when hilary sold them our uranium?"How could Trump's relationship with Putin be strained when at the
G20 Summit Trump runs around the dining room, falls to his knees in front of
Putin and begs for attention.At Helsinki Trump STRONGLY defends Putin over
our own intelligence agencies.I mean, "WOW!". You can not
make this stuff up.Russians are cheering for Trump.
What a phony response from the Dems. They are hauling everyone they can think of
into hearings to keep the collusion farce alive, then they play dumb when Trump
calls them out.Priceless move by Trump.They aren't
dealing with W or Mitt here. Their games won't work.Trump
should have done this months ago.
So Trump yesterday goes off about wanting trade deals done before talking about
infrastructure. Then early this morning goes on a Twitter tirade before the
democrats morning meeting even happened then storms out minutes into his meeting
with democrats to address the media his aids just happened to have organized
crime n the rose garden and class ms it was due democrats attacks during their
mornings no meeting. Talk about scripted. It is very clearly not democrats that
are refusing to work together.
Why would he work with a group of people who are obviously just out to get
him?I don't see why Democrats are having a hard time
understanding this.They would do the same thing. They did the same
thing, when they changed the locks on the committee chamber doors when Obama was
President.Google "Democrats lock Republicans out of committee
room | TheHill"...or "House Democrats Lock GOP Out of Committee
Room - WSJ"...or "changing the locks - Washington Post"...If you have forgotten already.They were mad at R's and
changed the locks. So they had to ask Democrats for the keys to hold committee
Trump followers' not reading the Mueller Report reminds me of growing up
Catholic, with little encouragement or incentive to read the Bible. With the
right amount of faith and the priesthood, there was no reason to know what was
actually written in the Good Book. Same with the Mueller report apparently.
Of course Thid and the other trump-supporters haven't read the report, nor
will they.They are told what to think about Trump on their favorite
Republican Propaganda Channel.They don't care what Trump does or
says, they only care that liberals are angry. That is the sweetest nectar to
them. They are happy to ignore Trump's malfeasance and moral
bankruptcy because the liberals are crying!
Interesting that NONE of trump's faithful followers here have answered my
questions about having or not read the Mueller report.Okay. We get
it. You haven't.How about another set of important
questions?1. If YOU had been accused of something you knew was
completely false, would you fight to prevent investigation, or would you be
demanding it to prove yourself innocent?2. If YOU had been accused
of something, and you knew you were guilty, would you be inclined to try to deny
it and stop any investigations?We are all waiting to hear your
answers.But not holding our breath.
@thidHave you read the report?
Clinton Demands end to Whitewater probes, walks out of GOP meeting.They found no wrong doing in the whitewater probe none, this is just a fishing
trip looking for anything.Except that Clinton didn't demand an
end to the investigations even when it went wildly off the tracks with the
Monica situation. I guess he should have refused to be questioned, you know
cause perjury traps and all.It's almost funny to watch Trump
fan club try and justify his obstruction of justice, over and over.
So Trump today said he's the most transparent president in history, and
that he doesn't do cover-ups. He's got some magical hold on you
supporters, where you either believe him, or you don't care. Astonishing.
Trump is behaving just like he is; scared and guilty.
McClark, exactly. They have broken their oath of office, imo. Including Romney
and Lee.Also, there is no point in reasoning with Trump followers.
They haven't read the report, don't want to, and they don't care
about Trump's obstruction or gross abuse of power. The choose Trump over
the rule of law.Mueller specifically said in the report that there
were instances of obstruction, and that it is a matter for congress to take up
because DOJ policy would not allow him to indict a sitting president. For some
reason, Trump supporters simply cannot digest that.Shoot someone on
5th avenue indeed.
Your request is likely to be denied, Mr. Trump, and it should be. Accountability
in Government is required of all Federal office holders, elected or appointed.
That does not exempt the President. You should have been made aware of that
before you decided to run for the highest office in the land.
Trump has been a quitter, complainer, liar and cheat his whole life. Some
people admire him for that, others do not.
Interesting that the headline is about trump leaving the meeting, but the
article is about dem hand-wringing over what to do about trump.Dems
would rather continue their witch-hunt than actually get things doneThey are more concerned about politics than doing what is right for us.Good for trump on calling them out – don’t know that this is
the best way to do it, however.Love seeing the dems in turmoil
– the less they can do they damage they can do.LOUDoing
putin’s dirty work? Is that why our relations with Russia are much more
strained than when hilary sold them our uranium?Marxist, old manIf there was no collusion to hide, how can there be obstruction? A vigorous
defense is not obstruction. But then, I’m sure liberals will read what
they want into it. They could read the story of Little Bo Peep and find trump
obstruction.McclarkMaybe these guys should appear before
congress and plead the 5th, like so many of BO’s team did.
The king has made a royal degree that must be obeyed. Or does it? Stay tuned.
Took his ball and went upstairs.
The problem with impeachment which Trump richly deserves is the Republicans have
demonstrated that Trump could murder someone on the floor of the Senate and they
would deny that he did.
Obstructing an obstruction investigation is just what the framers had in mind
Yes, and there is no evidence of collusion/obstruction, just like AG Barr said!
Some uncomplimentary opinions about President Trump but no evidence (facts)of
collusion/obstruction! Democrats need to be reminded that opinions are not
evidence and opinions are not facts!The Mueller report is both opinion and
fact and the fact is no evidence of collusion/obstruction could be found! A
person's opinion of the report doesn't matter and that is a fact!
Believe what you want about the Mueller report but the facts (and opinions)
speak for themselves! The problem is some people can't seem to separate
fact from opinion!
Well Thid, we know how the Dems are playing it. They are going to insist Trump
colluded and obstructed, despite what happened. It's in the report, they
say. Mueller just doesn't understand his own work.And, all
sorts of things can happen when they are trying to entrap you. It's funny
that these other posters didn't mention the dirty tricks at the Obama White
House detailed in the report.But that's politics these days.
You believe your narrative to save face.
@Thid " Democrats once were totally convinced Mueller was their savior! Now
they are "punching" the report actually believing that it doesn't
matter that no evidence of collusion/obstruction could be found,..."You've read Mueller right Thid?
thid, will you answer my question?Have you actually read the Mueller
report?A simple Yes or No will do.
Democrats should go back and read the Uncle Remus story of the “tar
baby.” The fictional character was a mannequin (read Mueller
investigation) made of tar that Br’er Fox constructed to trap Br’er
Rabbit. The more the bunny punched the tar baby, the more he became stuck.
Democrats once were totally convinced Mueller was their savior! Now they are
"punching" the report actually believing that it doesn't matter
that no evidence of collusion/obstruction could be found, it JUST has to be
there, it must be, somehow? Do you hear laughter?
From the Mueller Report:"First, McGahn's clear recollection
was that the President directed him to tell Rosenstein not only that conflicts
existed but also that "Mueller has to go." McGahn is a credible witness
with no motive to lie or exaggerate given the position he held in the White
House.601 McGahn spoke with the President twice and understood the directive the
same way both times, making it unlikely that he misheard or misinterpreted the
President's request. In response to that request, McGahn decided to quit
because he did not want to participate in events that he described as akin to
the Saturday Night Massacre. He called his lawyer, drove to the White House,
packed up his office, prepared to submit a resignation letter with his chief of
staff, told Priebus that the President had asked him to "do crazy s***,"
and informed Priebus and Bannon that he was leaving..."This is
clear obstruction of justice.
yuge and thid, have either of you actually read any of the Mueller report?I'm past page 400 and coming up on the home stretch. There is no
way anyone could read that report and still believe there was no obstruction
unless they have allowed trump to completely delude them into believing him.Or unless they were a Russian troll/bot. It was also VERY
interesting yesterday when I called the Washington offices of Mike Lee, Mitt,
and Rob Bishop to ask if each of them had actually read the report.Mitt's man said, "Yes, he has." And judging by Mitt's
comments about it, I believe he has.Bishop's man wouldn't
answer the question directly, and instead jumped right into claiming that
Democrats are out to get trump.But Mike Lee's guy had the most
interesting comment of all. He said, (and this is a quote) "Well, he CLAIMS
he has, but I can't really say for sure."Those three phone
calls tell a lot about our members of Congress.
@Yuge "It's obvious they can't succeed at removing him. "You've read the Mueller Report right? I'm toiling my way
through the currently redacted version now. Don't be so sure Yuge.
Trump is doing Putin's dirty work by creating world hatred for America,
breaking our relationship with our allies, and creating division within our own
country. Putin has manipulated Trump and his followers very well.
Trump knows that it's all about to collapse and is looking for an escape.
Trump is begging to be impeached so he can go back to his life of
living off other people's money.
Impeach President Trump for what? After 4 separate investigations, nearly $30
million taxpayer dollars and two years wasted, NO collusion, NO obstruction! Go
for it Democrats and the voter backlash will shock even you!
Do it, please.That single action will pretty much guarantee a Trump
win in 2020.It's obvious they can't succeed at removing
him. All the anti-Trump sentiment they spew on the floor of the House will just
float off into space. Trump-bashing is already just so much background noise
that no one pays attention to it anymore.What it DOES show the
voters is that the Dems got nothin' to offer but ID politics, odd green
ideas and free stuff socialism. How far can that take them on election day?