Brad Rock: Utah has never seen such a chance at the Rose Bowl — or such buildup

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  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    June 2, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    @Marked it Down - Park City, UT

    And if you don't think Alabama actually started trying in that game then you are truly delusional.

    They cut the lead to 4 and Utah counter punched and won by 14.

    They were getting embarrassed and they didn't want to end that way. They came around and did their best, but Utah still beat them.

    Consider last yrs. Holy War. The better team wins more than not. And coming back from large deficits is possible. As you well know, having suffered a painful loss in such a comeback.

    That Bama team spent 6 weeks at #1 and only lost to final ranked #1 Florida and #2 Utah.

    In the Sugar Bowl, Utah was the better team. They out coached and out played Alabama. Plain and simple.

    Rationalize it all you want, in your own mind.

    If you want some respect from your rival, you should try giving some as well. Both likely deserve it.

    The 1984 BYU season doesn't compare favorably to the Utah 2008 season. It just doesn't.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 1, 2019 4:38 p.m.

    Marked it Down:

    Not only that, but they'd learned that they'd better not sleepwalk through a game when you're playing the better team. Because had 'Bama been the better team, they could have easily overcome an early, 1st-Qtr, 21-pt deficit. Take the 2018 "Holy War" for example. The "better team" slept through the 1st-Half, and halfway through the 3rd-Qtr...

    ...but upon waking up, scored 35-pts in barely over a single quarter. That's doable vs. a "lesser team".

    Alabama actually closed the gap to within 4-pts at one point, but STILL lost by 14. Utah was THAT much of a better team. How miserable for you.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 31, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    ArizonaUte

    "Fact is, Saban was right. You won't remember anything about that game except the outcome.

    I know many folks from Alabama, and they absolutely remember the outcome of that game."

    Sure they remember the outcome because the Crimson Tide learned a painful and valuable lesson not to sleepwalk through games against inferior opponents.

    That lesson learned has helped Alabama win 5 of the last 9 National Championships.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 31, 2019 9:24 a.m.

    @talkinsports - Gilbert, AZ

    Well, that is Alabama's problem not Utah's. I'll bet they wish they hadn't now.

    Fact is, Saban was right. You won't remember anything about that game except the outcome.

    I know many folks from Alabama, and they absolutely remember the outcome of that game.

    If they didn't care then, they certainly do now.

    And if BYU fans think a 6-6 Michigan team was motivated to go to a bowl game and play a mid-major, in 1984, your collective heads are in the sand.

    So what about what Saban said. So what about your speculation of motivation, etc.

    Utah won that game. Period. And at some point Bama woke up and really tried. They still lost.

    And what was the point of this whole comment of yours?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 30, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    Another huge factor was Alabama had their sights set on playing in the BCS Championship game and had absolutely no interest in playing mid-major Utah in an also ran bowl.

    When a reporter asked Nick Saban about the Sugar Bowl he had this to say:

    “There’s very little interest from our fans, our players or anybody else to play in the Sugar Bowl, which to me is a tremendous opportunity,” Saban said. “I tried to tell everyone, you’re only going to remember one thing about this game and that’s the outcome.

    So there’s no interest, there’s no passion and everybody is embarrassed because of how we played.

    Well, it’s because you didn’t have any passion for it, you didn’t have any interest in it, you didn’t have any enthusiasm to do it, and that’s across the board. And that’s not right. We go to a BCS bowl game, everybody ought to be positive and enthusiastic about what we’re doing.”

    Utah caught Alabama napping and built a 3 touchdown lead before the Crimson Tide woke up.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 28, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    You are welcome to your opinion but that 2008 Bama team, who won the Natty the very next season, and have won it many more times since then too, was a very good team.

    Many players of whom start today. One was a Heisman Trophy winner, one is an all pro WR, 3 are all pro OL, another, an all pro DL who starts today on an NFL team, other WRs, DEs and LBs too.

    It's a strange debate because the Miami team was very good too. Who knows which of those teams were actually better.

    Unless they played, and that is clearly impossible, we will never know.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 27, 2019 12:25 p.m.

    ArizonaUte:
    "That 2nd yr. Bama team had PLENTY of NFL talent..."

    Well, not really my friend. JPW wasn't an NFL quality QB, Coffee wasn't an NFL caliber RB. In fact other than Julio Jones, none of their offensive starters played much in the league. Most of their best talent were freshmen, and didn't play or start as much as they did the following year when they won it all (Ingram, Hightower, etc). That's why a UF team that I didn't think was all that great beat them and won the NC in 2008...and we all make fun of how that '08 lizard team has done more time in prison than on NFL teams lol.

    As for Miami 1990, they were loaded with talent and were still one of the best teams in the country...their drop-off didn't come until after that. And I will go along with your victory over USC in 2016...obviously with how USC played as that season progressed, that was a big win. Cheers!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 26, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT

    That 2nd yr. Bama team had PLENTY of NFL talent, spend most of the season as #1, only lost to #1 and #2. And that Bama team was definitely on the way up.

    Bama, the very next season, got the NCAA #1 ranking at the end of the season. Yes, national champs. Saban's run was over. And he is universally considered the greatest college football coach in history.

    BYU caught Miami, as you so aptly point out, after their glory yrs. and at the start of their decline. The rankings, that yr, were bolstered by the previous yrs. successes. Dennis Erikson's run was over and the loss to BYU punctuated that, even though many didn't want to believe it.

    Although, I will say that it was a great win for BYU, against a really good team and by far, and it's not even close, BYU's best win in history.

    That Miami team finished #3. Utah beat USC a couple yrs. back, in a season they finished #3 in the nation. Sam Darnold was QBing the Trojans then.

    Seriously, what has BYU done in the last decade? The last 2 decades?

    BYU had some spotty success in the 80's, had some good accolades with a Natty and a Heisman, and a couple other individual awards. That's it.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 26, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    Azute:
    "We beat ‘Bama in their backyard, NOT @ home.

    What a disingenuous comparison."

    Translated- we hate it when facts make BYU look good and don't support our crimson narrative. Lol

    Let me lay some more knowledge on you...U beat Bama in Saban's 2nd year without the benefit of all the number one recruiting classes and talent they had from 2009-2018 (seven #1 classes in a row and 5 national championships all AFTER utah in '08). BYU, on the other hand, beat a CFB juggernaut in Miami that had dominated during the 80s and won 3 national titles prior to 1990 when BYU beat them (including the year before- 1989). I'm sure you'll have more insecure little red engine whiny reasons those facts are "disingenuous" too lol.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 26, 2019 1:35 a.m.

    “Now what I will say is that BYU's win over Miami in 1990 was a bigger win than Utah over Bama in 2008. Miami finished #3 in the country (were #1 when BYU beat them...another accomplishment Utah has never had-beating a #1 team), while the gumps only finished #6 in '08. So that's the biggest win of any CFB team in the state...FWIW.”

    We beat ‘Bama in their backyard, NOT @ home.

    What a disingenuous comparison.

    Go Utes!

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    May 25, 2019 11:02 p.m.

    Saben said this after game "We have a tremendous amount of respect for Utah. I certainly misstated that."

    "I don't think our guys played with enough intensity," he said. "So if that's what gave them all their intensity, then I guess I'm responsible for the way they played and I'm responsible for the way we played. So I'm responsible for the whole kit and caboodle."

    He took the blame for the lost to Utah and being embarrassed by Utah.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 25, 2019 8:27 p.m.

    Chamberlain:
    While I don't condone some of the more derogatory responses you got from some of our obsessed red brethren, I have to admit that it did sound like you were comparing 2008 Bama to BYU teams from another era. And that's not an argument you can make because you can't really compare teams from different eras with different styles of play etc. It's like when UGA fans say Fran Tarkenton was the GOAT...even though in the more pass-oriented and spread offenses of today there are far better QBs UGA has had since.

    Now what I will say is that BYU's win over Miami in 1990 was a bigger win than Utah over Bama in 2008. Miami finished #3 in the country (were #1 when BYU beat them...another accomplishment Utah has never had-beating a #1 team), while the gumps only finished #6 in '08. So that's the biggest win of any CFB team in the state...FWIW.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 25, 2019 11:53 a.m.

    Aqua Boy:
    "or else he would have downgraded you from "uneducated" to "mentally r*******d"."

    Really? Wow...stay classy NV, you are NOT a real U fan. Nothing like the one's I associate with anyway. SMH

    Not only are u far less "educated" than u think u are, but apparently using offensive terminology aren't beneath u either. Despicable

  • utah chick MSC, UT
    May 25, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    People, just stop.

    Let the results speak for themselves.

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 5:37 p.m.

    Lone*Star:

    No, YOU'RE the one ignoring the facts. If 'Bama was so disinterested in the game, why did he wait until AFTER the final score to say anything? And why did 72K fans show up to the game that were primarily 'Bama fans? Clearly you didn't even WATCH the game because had you, you would have seen that the ONLY thing they were "disinterested" in...

    ...was the final score.

    Fail.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 24, 2019 4:22 p.m.

    “None of those ranked teams was one of BYU's QB-factory juggernauts.”

    Please.....Those byu-p teams you’re referencing build their records primarily against patsies, period.

    And that’s a byu-p fan’s myth that Alabama was even remotely disinterested.....A wholly false narrative, period.

    Go Utes!

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 24, 2019 3:28 p.m.

    Navelvet

    You’re ignoring Saban’s completely candid remarks that NO Alabama player, coach or fan had any interest at all in playing mid-major Utah in an also ran bowl.

    Alabama couldn’t have cared less about U.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 3:03 p.m.

    Chambermaid:

    "When a reporter asked Nick Saban about the Sugar Bowl, and he had this to say:...'There’s very little interest from our fans, our players or anybody else to play in the Sugar Bowl, which to me is a tremendous opportunity...I tried to tell everyone, you’re only going to remember one thing about this game and that’s the outcome."

    Yeah...that's what he said AFTER the game. As in AFTER Utah had trounced the heavily favored Tide. But BEFORE the game, he'd never mentioned anything about a lack of interest. And neither had anyone in the media notice it either. Saban was just making excuses because he -- like every indy-WACey fan since 2010 following the "Holy War" -- was too embarrassed to admit that he'd been schooled by a better team.

    There were nearly 72K fans at that game, and you can watch it in its entirety on YouTube. Just because the fans weren't cheering after our 3rd TD, or by the end of the 4th Qtr, that didn't mean they'd "lacked interest". It just meant that they were "losing". Look at the 'Bama fans (and players) level of excitment after Arenas' 73-yd punt return for a TD. Or after Coffee brought them w/in 4-pts early in the 3rd-Qtr...

    They cared.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 2:55 p.m.

    Chambermaid:

    "The only one that was in that class was Alabama, which was bitterly disappointed that they were stuck playing mid-major Utah in the Sugar Bowl, rather than playing in the BCS championship game."

    Is THAT what you saw in that aforementioned YouTube clip of the 2009 Sugar Bowl coin toss to open the game? Funny, I never heard color analysts Daryl Johnston, NOR Kenny Albert note any indifference from Saban's squad -- who for the record had entered that game coming off a 15-yr BCS bowl/Sugar Bowl drought, and on the heels of a 7-6 2007 season, where they'd suffered a Home loss to ULM. And where was UGa's indifference to having been forced to play Hawai'i in prior year's Sugar Bowl?

    Fail.

    You didn't really watch that clip, did you? You preferred "ignorance" over facts. This is why mendenmidmajor once called you "uneducated" ya know. You're just lucky he never actually heard you claim that there was ever a team in ybU-p history that was in the same class as the 2008 Crimson Tide, or else he would have downgraded you from "uneducated" to "mentally r*******d".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    skywalker:

    After all of the whiny excuse-making and delusions from the bubble,

    The Utah Utes have still been certified by the NCAA as a 2008 National Champion (see NCAA list of national champions)…

    …and…

    The Utah Utes’ indy-irrelevant, WAC-wannabe, teeny-tiny little bubble-bros are still pressing their noses against the window desperately wishing that they could be members of the P5 club (see ybU-p’s annual rejection letters from every expanding P5 conference in the country, annual midmajor-laden schedules, 2-star heavy classes, and 6-figure payout postseason destinations).

    CordonBleu:

    Despite the feeble and desperate attempts by our jealous little bubble-brethren to rewrite history, they’ll never be able to change these…

    FACTS:

    1. Utah had indeed been recognized as a college football national champion.
    2. Utah is a “P5” school
    3. ybU-p is a “midmajor forever”
    4. ybU-p’s exclusion from the “P5” club was “merited” by your historical ineptitudes; not “religious politics”
    5. ybU-p is Utah’s little brother

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    azute1

    "You forgot those other stats where we beat 4 final ranked teams, 2 top-7, en route to a perfect season."

    None of those ranked teams was one of BYU's QB-factory juggernauts.

    The only one that was in that class was Alabama, which was bitterly disappointed that they were stuck playing mid-major Utah in the Sugar Bowl, rather than playing in the BCS championship game.

    When a reporter asked Nick Saban about the Sugar Bowl, and he had this to say:

    “There’s very little interest from our fans, our players or anybody else to play in the Sugar Bowl, which to me is a tremendous opportunity,” Saban said. “I tried to tell everyone, you’re only going to remember one thing about this game and that’s the outcome.

    So there’s no interest, there’s no passion and everybody is embarrassed because of how we played.

    Well, it’s because you didn’t have any passion for it, you didn’t have any interest in it, you didn’t have any enthusiasm to do it, and that’s across the board. And that’s not right. We go to a BCS bowl game, everybody ought to be positive and enthusiastic about what we’re doing.”

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    Chambermaid (2 of 2):

    Utah’s 2004 AND 2008 offense would have crushed the all defenses ever fielded by the tdS. And ditto for those Utah's Defenses both eras -- who would have thoroughly shut down the tdS’ offenses lead by Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco and Steve Sarkisian.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 2:10 p.m.

    Chambermaid (1 of 2):

    “Utah caught a totally disinterested Alabama team napping and got some early scores before the Tide woke up.”

    Not really. That’s just another one of those long ago disproven narrative invented by our insanely envious, no-BCS-busting, WACish and midmajory little brother. ‘Bama wasn’t caught “napping”. They were trounced by a better team. Just listen to the pregame show, where color analyst Daryl Johnston talked at length about how fired up Alabama was for that game. Or just watch the coin toss on YouTube – re: “Bama Player Threats to ‘KILL’ a Utah Player”

    If you want to see what a “totally disinterested” team looks like, look at Utah every time we’d lined up opposite of teams like New Mexico, or pretty much every “Holy War” since 2013.

    “Utah barely scraped by TCU at home after TCU's all-American kicker missed TWO chip shot FGs.”

    Another false narrative. Those weren’t “chip shot FGs”. They were mid-range FGs, by a Freshman Kicker, on a disadvantageous hash mark – courtesy of Utah’s Defense.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 24, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    “2008 Utah barely beat New Mexico (4-8) 13-10.”

    Bwhahahahaha

    You forgot those other stats where we beat 4 final ranked teams, 2 top-7, en route to a perfect season.

    ‘08 U & all of their NFL players brutally curb-stomps every byu-p team in history, period.

    Go Utes!

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    navel vet

    "2008 Utah curb stomped #6 Alabama, and also beat #7 TCU"

    Utah caught a totally disinterested Alabama team napping and got some early scores before the Tide woke up.

    Utah barely scraped by TCU at home after TCU's all-American kicker missed TWO chip shot FGs.

    Utah 2008's offense would have been crushed by BYU's defenses, and Utah's 2008 defense would have been boat raced by BYU's offenses lead by Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco and Steve Sarkisian.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    phoenix:

    2008 Utah curb stomped #6 Alabama, and also beat #7 TCU. bwahaha :)

    2018 Clemson, 2004 Utah and 2008 Utah would have all curb stomped any team in the history of your program.

    Perhaps your '83 and '96 teams might have edged '94 Utah though. But nobody else.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    AZUTE1:

    "Our ‘08 team was significantly closer to ‘18 Clemson than any byu-p team in history, period."

    True. And so was our 2004 team.

    Even the indy-WACers '96 team was closer '18 Clemson.

    Best teams in state history:

    1. '04 Utah
    2. '08 Utah
    3. '96 "midmajors forever"
    4. '83 "midmajors forever"
    5. '94 Utah

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 24, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    azute1

    "Our ‘08 team was significantly closer to ‘18 Clemson than any BYU team in history..."

    bwahaha :)

    2008 Utah barely beat New Mexico (4-8) 13-10.

    2018 Clemson, 1996 BYU, 1984 BYU, 1983 BYU, 1981 BYU, 1980 BYU and 1979 BYU would have all curb stomped 2008 Utah.

    2004 Utah, might have had a chance against 1979 BYU.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 24, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    “Not nearly as nonsensical as claiming

    2008 Utah = 2018 Clemson”

    Lol

    Please.....’08 U would’ve destroyed ‘84 byu-p, period.

    Our ‘08 team was significantly closer to ‘18 Clemson than any byu-p team in history, period.

    Go Utes!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 24, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Navel Vet

    Immediately after the Holiday Bowl, when Bosco was asked whether BYU deserved to be ranked #1, he gave an emphatic one word answer:

    "YES!"

    The majority of the voters in both major polls agreed with Bosco.

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    You still haven't produced one iota of certifiable, verifiable PROOF that the criteria voters used in 1984 was any different than the criteria voters used in 2008.

    Your case is dismissed for lack of evidence.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 10:32 a.m.

    MRM:

    You'd been shown Bosco's comments. You'd been shown UCF's and TCU's historicals. If you can't produce any evidence that UCF and TCU DIDN'T perform as Uteology described, and that Robbie Bosco DIDN'T admit that had the current structure been applied back in '84, you wouldn't have been allowed to "back in" to your laughable "sham"pionship, then stop wasting our time with your biased delusions and obfuscations.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 24, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    skywalker:

    After all of the whiny excuse-making and delusions from the bubble,

    The Utah Utes have still been certified by the NCAA as a 2008 National Champion (see NCAA list of national champions)…

    …and…

    The Utah Utes’ indy-irrelevant, WAC-wannabe, teeny-tiny little bubble-bros are still pressing their noses against the window desperately wishing that they could be members of the P5 club (see ybU-p’s annual rejection letters from every expanding P5 conference in the country, annual midmajor-laden schedules, 2-star heavy classes, and 6-figure payout postseason destinations).

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 24, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    utemythology

    "On the other hand claiming:

    1984 BYU = 2018 Clemson

    Is pure nonsense."

    Not nearly as nonsensical as claiming

    2008 Utah = 2018 Clemson

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    utemythology

    It's called wishful thinking.

    Here's reality:

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

    ----------------

    EVERY season is totally different - different mix of players, teams and schedules - so it's absolutely impossible to deduce what would have happened in a given season IF the conditions for that season had been changed.

    What happened in some other season is totally irrelevant.

    Unless you've personally interviewed every 1984 AP and Coaches poll voter, you don't have a clue what criteria each of them used in selecting BYU as the Consensus National Champion.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 24, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    @MRM

    It's called inductive reasoning, you have the right to remain delusional.

    On the other hand claiming:

    1984 BYU = 2018 Clemson

    Is pure nonsense.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    GreyPoupon - Park City, UT

    Byu football hasn’t been too impressive over the last 25 years, especially since going independent. So we have to keep referring to things that happened DECADES ago. Explains a lot reading all these comments from our best friends in blue. Do the P5s, top recruits and top coaches know about these things? Seems like it’s doing a lot for the program today.
    Exciting times in Provo indeed!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 24, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    After all of the whiny excuse-making from the molehill,

    The BYU Cougars are still certified members of
    the Consensus National Champions and
    Heisman Trophy winners club
    (see Crystal Football National Championship Trophy
    and Heisman Trophy
    in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame)

    and

    The Utah Utes are still pressing their noses against the window desperately wishing that they could be members of the club
    (see Utah's trophy closet bereft of any such hardware).

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    May 24, 2019 7:46 a.m.

    Despite the feeble and desperate attempts by our jealous little brothers on the molehill to rewrite history, they'll never be able to change these...

    FACTS:

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 24, 2019 6:03 a.m.

    utemythology

    “There is plenty of evidence.

    * CFP era 2018 UCF (25 straight wins, multiple top 20 wins from 2017)

    * BCS era 2010 TCU (24 of 25 wins, including multiple Top 7 rankings, multiple T20 wins)”

    That’s nothing but speculation.

    Show us the official 1984 and 2010 AP and Coaches poll rule books published by a reliable, verifiable source where the criteria for ranking teams was changed and the exact verbiage of the criteria change.

    If you can’t produce that evidence, then stop wasting our time with your biased speculation.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 4:56 p.m.

    Marked it Down - Park City, UT
    May 23, 2019 3:51 p.m.
    utemythology

    Life is full of disappointments.

    BYU doesn't have to prove that BYU would have won the 1984 national championship under the rules established during the BCS era

    any more than

    Utah has to prove that the Utes would have made it to the Final Four in the 40's and 60's if the NCAA had been had 64-team field back then.

    --------------

    Except for the fact that Utah has been to a Final Four with a 64-team field, see 1998.

    BYU has never been ranked higher than #14 BCS and yet to sniff a CFP ranking.

    1984 BYU would have gone to a BCS bowl and lost.
    Source: Robbie Bosco

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 4:52 p.m.

    @Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah

    No they are not the same standards, which is why today Robbie Bosco says:...

    Bosco and you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    You can't cite one scintilla of evidence that the standards for voters in the AP and Coaches final regular season polls in 2008 were any different than they were in 1984.

    -----------------

    There is plenty of evidence.

    * CFP era 2018 UCF (25 straight wins, multiple top 20 wins from 2017)

    * BCS era 2010 TCU (24 of 25 wins, including multiple Top 7 rankings, multiple T20 wins)

    Both teams accomplished MUCH more than 1984 BYU, but neither sniffed 16 AP #1st place votes like 2008 Utah.

    You think 1984 BYU would be ranked higher than 2008 Utah, 2010 TCU, and 2018 UCF because you beat 8-4 Air Force?

    Nope!

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michgian

    Notice you're not even on Utah, TCU, UCF level all of them has multiple Top 20 wins.

    1984 BYU feasted on cupcakes and had 0 Top 20 wins, just like 2016 Western Michigan.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 4:42 p.m.

    Just the MYTHS:

    "btw, BYU destroyed Western Michigan 49-18"

    Whoops! Major comprehension fail for you little bro. Uteology wasn't suggesting that 2018 WMU = 2018 ybU-p. He was saying your "overall football program" was. And he's saying that because both of you posted only 1 undefeated season in the history of your programs, and did so ala playing uber weak SOS.

    And he's right. That's why WMU has about as good a chance of joining a P5 league as you guys do, and you know it. How miserable for you. Haha!

    Midmajors forever.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    Kleenex-Gilbert, AZ

    “Enjoy your perch on the molehill.”

    If we’re on a “molehill”, what is Indy-irrelevance then? Our molehill must look like Mt Everest to you guys. Your cougs have done absolutely NOTHING since going Indy. Things have been crazy exciting in Provo these last ten years, haven’t they?

    I’d like to see one coug fan site some success that’s worth talking about over the last 10-15 years. We won’t see any responses to that question, except a straw man.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    Rockwell (1 of 2):

    "The PAC 10 made a "political decision" based on religious bigotry that had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of Utah's or Colorado's football programs."

    Nope. That false narrative had already long been disproven. Utah's and Colorado's invitations weren't "political". The league had always been open about what they were looking for. They were looking for "peer" institutions, within a reasonable geographic footprint, who would bring enough eyeballs to TV sets in time for the new media negotiations. And who would be "peer" to the Pac-10?

    Answer: Western schools with strong (1) Academics, (2) Athletics, and (3) similar Cultural values.

    1. Academically, Utah was a Tier-1 Research institution. Colorado was even better -- a member of the AAU. The tdS' academics did not clear that bar. Edge: Colo and Utah

    2. Athletically, Colorado had several Big 12 South titles, a Big 12 Championship, and an appearance in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl. Utah was even better with TWO appearances in BCS bowls, and winning them BOTH. The tdS failed to clear that bar. Edge: Utah and Colo.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 4:37 p.m.

    Elkhorn - Loveland, CO
    May 23, 2019 3:26 p.m.
    utemythology

    NONE of your frantic and emotional spin will change these FACTS

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

    Enjoy your perch on the molehill.

    -------------

    It wasn't my opinion, what part of "source" do you not understand?

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michigan

    Source: Robbie Bosco

    The 2008 Utah team received 16 AP 1st place votes by beating #6, #7, #18, #25. How many 1st place votes did 2007 Missouri and 2017 UCF get, and who did they beat?

    Enjoy being under the molehill, 3rd in State.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 4:27 p.m.

    Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 23, 2019 3:21 p.m.
    utemythology

    "Utah is not like Indiana, Utah is a top 25 P5 program."

    NOPE!

    Wrong on both claims.

    Utah wasn't ranked in either poll in 2018.

    And the last time Utah played Indiana (6-7), Utah barely beat the Hoosiers 26-24.

    Utah is in fact VERY MUCH like Indiana.

    ------------

    Nope!

    2018 AP #28 Utah
    2018 #66 Indian
    2018 #63 BYU is VERY MUCH like Indiana

    Thanks for playing!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 4:24 p.m.

    skywalker:

    If the indy-WACers had beaten us so soundly all across the board, as you'd detailed in your May 23, 2019 2:43 p.m. post....

    ….then where's your P5 invite? Surely the Big 12 -- a league with only 10 teams, thus implying there are 2 open vacancies for membership -- is on the phone right now, waiting for Holmoe to pick up, and accept one of those spots.

    [*snicker*]

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 4:09 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "That said, the REAL difference is...1984 BYU finished #1/#1...and...2018 Utah finished UNRANKED."

    Nope. That wasn't it. The REAL difference was that Utah actually had to PLAY ranked teams. And all from "power" leagues no less. Your '84 squad didn't play a single team who'd finished that season ranked, and they'd feasted on weak SOS midmajors. A fact well known amongst your "Band of Bunglers", amiright? That's why you all consistently try to spin "unranked" opponents as being "ranked" ones. You guys barely squeaked past a bunch of midmajors, like 6-6 Wyo, 7-5 Haw, and an 8-4 AFA squad that only won 8 games because they played a local D-1AA team (Northern Colorado) in lieu of a REAL one.

    If you really believe your '84 squad was worthy of a crystal trophy, then you need to stop hanging around here, and go wait by the cougar hotline phone for somebody from the Big 12 to call. You wouldn't want to miss your invitation, would you? Don't leave it up to Holmoe to pick up. If HE answers, you KNOW how quickly he'll s*** the bed on that one!

    Either that, or I hope you love being midmajors forever. It's your "brand" ya know!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 4:02 p.m.

    Just the MYTHS:

    "btw, BYU destroyed Western Michigan 49-18"

    Whoops! Major comprehension fail for you little bro. Uteology wasn't suggesting that 2018 WMU = 2018 ybU-p. He was saying your "overall football program" was. And he's saying that because both of you posted only 1 undefeated season in the history of your programs, and did so ala playing uber weak SOS.

    And he's right. That's why WMU has about as good a chance of joining a P5 league as you guys do, and you know it. How miserable for you. Haha!

    Midmajors forever.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 3:56 p.m.

    Rockwell (2 of 2):

    3. Culturally, neither Utah nor Colorado had ever been censured by the AAUP for violating minimum acceptable standards of “academic freedom” and “free speech”. The tdS on the other hand, will be entering their 23rd consecutive year on this list, and 43rd year over the past 68. And the Y continues to proceed with no plans at ever rectifying their station. That sort of “culture” will NOT do amid world-leading institutions committed to those values.

    And of course, Utah and Colorado made perfect “geographic” sense. Inviting them was as much of a “slam dunk” as NOT inviting institutions with a substandard “research” profile, who’d never busted the BCS, and actively seeks to stamp out “academic freedom” and “free speech”.

    You’re whole “politics” babble is just something you guys “say” to mask your humiliation over (1) failing to live up to those aforementioned “higher standards”, while (2) witness your hated rival easily hurtle those bars.

    Wipe your tears.

    Midmajors forever.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 3:56 p.m.

    Rockwell (1 of 2):

    "The PAC 10 made a "political decision" based on religious bigotry that had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of Utah's or Colorado's football programs."

    Nope. That false narrative had already long been disproven. Utah's and Colorado's invitations weren't "political". The league had always been open about what they were looking for. They were looking for "peer" institutions, within a reasonable geographic footprint, who would bring enough eyeballs to TV sets in time for the new media negotiations. And who would be "peer" to the Pac-10?

    Answer: Western schools with strong (1) Academics, (2) Athletics, and (3) similar Cultural values.

    1. Academically, Utah was a Tier-1 Research institution. Colorado was even better -- a member of the AAU. The tdS' academics did not clear that bar. Edge: Colo and Utah

    2. Athletically, Colorado had several Big 12 South titles, a Big 12 Championship, and an appearance in the 2002 Fiesta Bowl. Utah was even better with TWO appearances in BCS bowls, and winning them BOTH. The tdS failed to clear that bar. Edge: Utah and Colo.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 23, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    utemythology

    Life is full of disappointments.

    BYU doesn't have to prove that BYU would have won the 1984 national championship under the rules established during the BCS era

    any more than

    Utah has to prove that the Utes would have made it to the Final Four in the 40's and 60's if the NCAA had been had 64-team field back then.

    The ONLY thing that matters is BYU was selected 1984 Consensus National Championship by every major college football national championship selecting organization of the day.

    It's hilarious that U keep beating that 1984 dead horse, when Utah fans are now desperately trying to weasel their way into a 2008 national championship by ignoring the very BCS standards that you're trying to apply to BYU.

    Bottom line:

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 3:50 p.m.

    Naval:

    Don’t ya LOVE the irony in the moniker ‘no playoff for U’? A fan of a team that has yet to even be ranked, even ONE time IN the CFP polls. And it’s no playoff for who? 😂🤣

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    Rockwell:

    I didn't make anything up. Utah WAS disinterested in your "Band of Small-ballers". Utah WAS looking ahead to the CCG. It's obvious by the way they'd played that game. In fact, they play nearly ALL of our games disinterested in you. How can we be excited about beating a midmajor team who hadn't beaten us since all our athletes were still in grammer school, when we have a ranked P5 opponent coming up the following weak, with the grand prize of a "Rose Bowl" invitation?

    You all seem to have consistently mistaken your Pac-12 big brother on the hill with your pre-2011 big brother on the hill. Utah stresses winning the Pac-12 South over anything. Not beating our indy-irrelevant WAC-wannabe little brother.

    #AnotherTruthBomb

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    May 23, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    utemythology

    NONE of your frantic and emotional spin will change these FACTS

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

    Enjoy your perch on the molehill.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 23, 2019 3:21 p.m.

    utemythology

    "Utah is not like Indiana, Utah is a top 25 P5 program."

    NOPE!

    Wrong on both claims.

    Utah wasn't ranked in either poll in 2018.

    And the last time Utah played Indiana (6-7), Utah barely beat the Hoosiers 26-24.

    Utah is in fact VERY MUCH like Indiana.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 23, 2019 3:16 p.m.

    naval vet

    re: "The standards for being ranked #1 in the AP and Coaches final regular season polls were exactly the same in 2004 and 2008 as they were in 1984 - each voter [selected whichever team that they considered was best based on their own criteria]...

    -------

    No they are not the same standards, which is why today Robbie Bosco says:...

    Bosco and you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    You can't cite one scintilla of evidence that the standards for voters in the AP and Coaches final regular season polls in 2008 were any different than they were in 1984.

    The ONLY change was been in the Coaches poll, where the Coaches in 2008 were required to vote the BCS championship game winner #1, a requirement that Utah totally ignored anyway.

    btw, BYU destroyed Western Michigan 49-18

    Zach Wilson had a near perfect game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 3:06 p.m.

    @Phoenix

    Enjoy your perch on the molehill.

    ----

    Utah and TCU went from a molehill to major college football leagues.

    BYU went from molehill to a dumpster fire.

    Utah is not like Indiana, Utah is a top 25 P5 program.

    BYU is like Wyoming.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 2:55 p.m.

    Rockwell - Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 2:15 p.m.
    re: Bosco's off the cuff remark decades after the fact is totally irrelevant.

    -----

    utemythology

    No it's not, it's HIGHLY relevant because decades later under more difficult BCS/CFP standards...

    yawn

    What "more difficult" standards?

    The standards for being ranked #1 in the AP and Coaches final regular season polls were exactly the same in 2004 and 2008 as they were in 1984 - each voter selected.

    -------

    No they are not the same standards, which is why today Robbie Bosco says:

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michigan

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 23, 2019 2:43 p.m.

    BYU's best CRUSHES Utah's best

    Nothing more needs to be said; the numbers speak for themselves

    BYU 1979-1984 vs Utah 2003-2008

    Year by Year
    #13/#11 BYU 11-1 vs #21/#21 Utah 10-2
    #12/#12 BYU 12-1 vs #4/#5 Utah 12-0
    #13/#11 BYU 11-2 vs unranked Utah 7-5
    unranked BYU 8-4 vs unranked Utah 8-5
    #7/#7 BYU 11-1 vs unranked Utah 9-4
    #1/#1 BYU 13-0 vs #2/#4 Utah 13-0

    Overall
    BYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16

    Top 12 Finishes
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    0 or 1 loss seasons
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11+ win seasons
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    Consensus National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked #1 in AP
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked in AP
    BYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 = 58
    Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 = 35

    Longest Winning Streak
    BYU 24 > Utah 14

    Average Score
    BYU 39-17 > Utah 32-19

    Conference Championships
    BYU 6 > Utah 3

    Top 3 Heisman Finalists
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Davey O'Brien Awards (Best QB)
    BYU 2 > Utah 0

    Sammy Baugh Awards (Best Passer)
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Apples-to-Apples SOS (per sports-reference)
    BYU #77, #81, #86, #70, #68, #82
    Utah #65, #70, #77, #78, #57, #80

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 23, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

    Congratulations on being the Indiana or Vanderbilt of the PAC 12

    Enjoy your perch on the molehill.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 2:34 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Your true Freshman QB led your team to 20 pts vs. a disinterested Utah team looking ahead to our matchup vs. UWa."

    You made that up! How frantic and emotional of U.

    Whittingham has always preached to new Utah players, from day one, the importance of beating BYU.

    There is absolutely no way he would have left any Utah player on the field whom he thought wasn't giving max effort versus the Cougars.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2019 2:32 p.m.

    "Lots of chirping from the fans with their noses pressed against window desperately wishing that they could get into the club."

    auntycoog:

    Hahaha! That sentence perfectly describes coog fans wishing for a P5 invite. (Keep your chins up--in the words of Lloyd Christmas, there's a chance.)

    But when I read further and saw you were talking about the phantom "club", that also includes Army, Yale and Princeton, I see that you're just saying it to make yourself feel better about BYU-P's current status--stuck in college football's irrelevant no-mans-land.

    Man, any mention of Utah continuing to be relevant today and you coog fans sure bolt for the time machine. But these days, the next time your dusty trophies impress anybody outside the blue bubble (national writers, P5 conferences, etc) today, will be the first.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 2:29 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Meanwhile, the Pac-10 was pretty stocked on Utah's and Colorado's Fiesta and Sugar Bowls."

    The PAC 10 made a "political decision" based on religious bigotry that had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of Utah's or Colorado's football programs.

    Colorado football was a dumpster fire at the time and the Buffs were invited first.

    BYU dominated Utah in the four seasons immediately preceding June 2010, yet Utah was invited instead of BYU.

    2006 to 2009
    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11+ Win, Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3 > Utah 1

    Conference Championships
    BYU 2 > Utah 1

    Head-to-Head
    BYU 3 > Utah 1

    To show just how poor Larry Scott's expansion decision making is, he rejected Oklahoma and Oklahoma St's application to join the PAC 12 a few years later.

    Just imagine how strong the PAC 12 would be today if Utah and Colorado had been replaced with Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Did the Big 12 call yet?

    No? Well then I guess they didn't think very much of your '84 [Consensus National Championship]."

    Who cares?

    The Big 12 isn't in charge of deciding who wins the national championship, but if they had really been interested in proving that BYU didn't deserve to be ranked #1, the Cornhuskers would have accepted their invitation to play #1 BYU to prove it on the field.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 23, 2019 1:57 p.m.
    Naval Vet

    Hahaha, that looks like your 1984 schedule.

    The difference, to win the South we also had to play:

    #10 Washington State (11-2)
    #13 Washington (10-3)
    #27 Stanford (9-4)
    #33 Oregon (9-4)

    LOL at how quickly U added unranked teams to Utah's list of quality opponents,

    while completely ignore such teams when they're BYU opponents.

    -------------

    That said, the REAL difference is

    1984 BYU finished #1/#1
    and
    2018 Utah finished UNRANKED

    btw, 2018 Utah finished 0-4 versus ranked teams.

    -------

    Hahaha... BYU finished 0-17 vs ranked teams since 2012.

    Nope, the real difference:

    BYU 1984 = 2018 UCF

    Source: Robbie Bosco

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    re: Bosco's off the cuff remark decades after the fact is totally irrelevant.

    -----

    utemythology

    No it's not, it's HIGHLY relevant because decades later under more difficult BCS/CFP standards...

    yawn

    What "more difficult" standards?

    The standards for being ranked #1 in the AP and Coaches final regular season polls were exactly the same in 2004 and 2008 as they were in 1984 - each voter selected whichever team they thought was best according whatever criteria that voter determined was appropriate.

    Claiming that SOS wasn't an issue ignores reality. That subject was heavily debated from the moment Bryant made his "Bo Diddly Tech" remark, until the final vote a month later.

    With the BCS rules and the exact same voters selecting BYU #1 in both regular season polls in 1984, BYU would have been a lock to play Oklahoma, Washington or Nebraska in the BCS championship game, instead of being stuck playing Michigan in the Holiday Bowl.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 2:08 p.m.

    @Coog-Delusions

    BYU 1979-1984 vs Utah 2003-2008...

    Except for a very slight edge in SOS,
    BYU completely dominated Utah across the board.

    ------

    * Utah had 4 top 25 wins , 2 top 7 in 2008.

    * BYU had 3 top 25 wins, 0 top 7 from 1979-1984.

    The only think BYU completely dominated was cupcakes.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    No P5 league for U:

    Did the Big 12 call yet? No? Well then I guess they didn't think very much of your '84 "sham"pionship either.

    Meanwhile, the Pac-10 was pretty stocked on Utah's and Colorado's Fiesta and Sugar Bowls.

    So how are you liking your "midmajors forever" status?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    No P5 conference for U:

    "A mediocre BYU team with a true Freshman QB put up stiffer competition than the Utes faced in the PAC South."

    Not really. Your true Freshman QB led your team to 20 pts vs. a disinterested Utah team looking ahead to our matchup vs. UWa. But vs. the "motivated" Utes, he only accounted for 7 more.

    Meanwhile, once our Freshman backup QB woke up, he'd led our team to 28 pts -- all within a single Quarter.

    Edge: Utah's backup Freshman QB.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 23, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Hahaha, that looks like your 1984 schedule.

    The difference, to win the South we also had to play:

    #10 Washington State (11-2)
    #13 Washington (10-3)
    #27 Stanford (9-4)
    #33 Oregon (9-4)

    LOL at how quickly U added unranked teams to Utah's list of quality opponents,

    while completely ignore such teams when they're BYU opponents.

    -------------

    That said, the REAL difference is

    1984 BYU finished #1/#1
    and
    2018 Utah finished UNRANKED

    btw, 2018 Utah finished 0-4 versus ranked teams.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 1:51 p.m.

    scenic view - Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 8:46 a.m.
    utemythology

    Bosco's off the cuff remark decades after the fact is totally irrelevant.

    -----

    No it's not, it's HIGHLY relevant because decades later under more difficult BCS/CFP standards he thinks:

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michigan

    He didn't even say 1984 BYU could even win a BCS bowl game, just play in one.

    SAD!

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 23, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    Lots of chirping from the fans with their noses pressed against window desperately wishing that they could get into the club.

    Unfortunately, imaginary SOS trophies don't count.

    For this club, U need the real things:

    A Crystal Football National Championship Trophy
    and
    A Heisman Trophy

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    @No playoff for U - Salt Lake City, UT

    We saw how the mighty weak PAC South fared against ranked teams

    2-18

    It's no wonder the unranked Utes were able to waltz through a division like this

    ASU (7-6)
    USC (5-7)
    Ariz (5-7)
    UCLA (3-9)
    Colo (5-7)

    -----

    Hahaha, that looks like your 1984 schedule.

    The difference, to win the South we also had to play:

    #10 Washington State (11-2)
    #13 Washington (10-3)
    #27 Stanford (9-4)
    #33 Oregon (9-4)

    Utah had to play a the toughest schedule in the PAC-12 to win the South.

  • And so it begins... Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2019 1:38 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "NO BYU fan in the world would bet me $10k(straight wager) for BYU to beat utah in August @ LES."

    Only because we wouldn't want to leave you penniless with summer ending and winter just around the corner.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "They [BYU fans] think that barely eking out win over a 6-6 team in their bowl game, after having beaten a season of "Bo Diddley Techs" means they're the best team in the country."

    Not did BYU fans think that, the overwhelming majority of coaches and sportswriters also thought that BYU was THE best team:

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 - AP 38 of 60 (63.3%); Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    unfortunately for U, hardly anybody thought that way about the Utes

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 - AP 16 of 65 (24.6%); Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    In the official BCS championship poll of the day, the Utes finished FOURTH,

    because only ONE rogue coach thought that the Utes were the best team.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 1:20 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    We saw how the mighty weak PAC South fared against ranked teams

    2-18

    It's no wonder the unranked Utes were able to waltz through a division like this

    ASU (7-6)
    USC (5-7)
    Ariz (5-7)
    UCLA (3-9)
    Colo (5-7)

    A mediocre BYU team with a true Freshman QB put up stiffer competition than the Utes faced in the PAC South.

  • free burritos for all Cedar City, UT
    May 23, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 12:14 p.m.
    “All I will say..............NO BYU fan in the world would bet me $10k(straight wager) for BYU to beat utah in August @ LES.“

    99-days until kickoff and already BYU’s most loyal fans are obsessing about their game with the mighty Cougars.

    Go Cougars! 💙 🤙 🏈

    As always, BYU thanks U for your support.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 1:01 p.m.

    CougarTown:

    "...at least BYU fans understand what real achievements are all about."

    No they don't. They think that barely eking out win over a 6-6 team in their bowl game, after having beaten a season of "Bo Diddley Techs" means they're the best team in the country. And they DON'T think that beating 4 teams in the same season who'd finished ranked in the Final AP poll (2 of whom finished in the Top-10) is a very big deal at all. Even though they themselves have never even come CLOSE to accomplishing that feat.

    And they also think that they can just become magically relevant by merely jumping onto some other P5 school's bandwagon. But....no. It doesn't work that way. You're midmajors forever. That's all you'll ever be. How miserable for you. Haha!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    Sorry little bro! P5 is P5. Have you SEEN the winning percentages of P5-vs-midmajor games? That enormous P5 advantage isn't a coincidence. It's every year.

    #TruthBomb

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2019 12:49 p.m.

    blue and gold

    You are so right; Utah's best doesn't even come close to matching BYU's best.

    ----

    BYU 1979-1984 vs Utah 2003-2008

    Year by Year
    #13/#11 BYU 11-1 vs #21/#21 Utah 10-2
    #12/#12 BYU 12-1 vs #4/#5 Utah 12-0
    #13/#11 BYU 11-2 vs unranked Utah 7-5
    unranked BYU 8-4 vs unranked Utah 8-5
    #7/#7 BYU 11-1 vs unranked Utah 9-4
    #1/#1 BYU 13-0 vs #2/#4 Utah 13-0

    Overall
    BYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16

    Top 12 Finishes
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    0 or 1 loss seasons
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11+ win seasons
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    Consensus National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked #1 in AP
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked in AP
    BYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 = 58
    Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 = 35

    Longest Winning Streak
    BYU 24 > Utah 14

    Average Score
    BYU 39-17 > Utah 32-19

    Conference Championships
    BYU 6 > Utah 3

    Top 3 Heisman Finalists
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Davey O'Brien Awards (Best QB)
    BYU 2 > Utah 0

    Sammy Baugh Awards (Best Passer)
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Apples-to-Apples SOS (per sports-reference)
    BYU #77, #81, #86, #70, #68, #82
    Utah #65, #70, #77, #78, #57, #80

    Except for a very slight edge in SOS,
    BYU completely dominated Utah across the board.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet,

    I think these Y fans are getting "testy" yet again because they absolutely need to beat Liberty, UMass and Idaho State to go 6-6, maybe worse, this season. Can you actually imagine being a Y fan and endure their continual nothing games @ LES late at night in November? I'd rather try to pet a street-wild pit bull dog in dangerous South Dallas at the same time.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    For what it's worth ND95CA, the ONLY excuses you're really gonna need are right here...

    1. Can't compete with Utah's 3- and 4-star athletes when fielding a 2-star bonanza every year.

    2. Can't afford the sort of coaches Utah can hire with your piddly ESPN contract that pays out ALMOST $4 million per year

    And that's it. That pretty much sums up all your losses over the past decade.

    You're welcome.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    May 23, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    It must be so much fun for BYU fans to be able to stir the pot of a fan base that pretends to care so little.

    Utah fans only think the Utes are big time because they have no clue what big time really means.

    BYU may be down a little, but at least BYU fans understand what real achievements are all about.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet,

    You are spot on! I left Utah decades ago because they don't pay for anything, just file bankruptcy or tell ya to "get lost."

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 23, 2019 12:31 p.m.

    "Utah is competing at the pinnacle of major college football."

    Nope!

    Utah is competing at the top of the molehill of the weakest division of the weakest P5.

    Show me another P5 division winner who faced a lineup like this...

    ASU (7-6)
    USC (5-7)
    Ariz (5-7)
    UCLA (3-9)
    Colo (5-7)

    which collectively was 2-18 versus ranked teams,

    and whose best team was 0-4 versus ranked teams and finished the season unranked.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum:

    "NO BYu fan in the world would bet me $10k(straight wager) for BYu to beat Utah in August @ LES."

    Well that's just as well. They'd renege on the bet anyway. "Honor" is just a word that they "say". They don't actually "live" it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 12:24 p.m.

    ND95CA:

    "Already lining up excuses for August?"

    Why do you indy-WACers say this every year? Utah has been the WINNER of every matchup over the past decade. What need have we for "excuses"? Aren't "excuses" a cougar "tradition"? Don't Ute fans hear, every year, from YOUR fanbase how all of the games had been influenced by...

    1. Weather
    2. Injuries
    3. Suspensions
    4. Officiating

    5. Cougar turnovers -- all which having evidently been "flukish"
    6. Coaching change

    Project much?

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    All I will say..............NO BYu fan in the world would bet me $10k(straight wager) for BYu to beat Utah in August @ LES.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    WAC man:

    "BYU has been to the pinnacle of major college football team (Consensus National Championship) and individual (Heisman) achievement, and the Utes have never even come close to achieving either..."

    You're somewhat mistaken. We don't have any "Heisman" alumni on the hill, but we DO have a [Football] national championship. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the NCAA. Until then, the NCAA recognizes your big brother on the hill as a national champion. Haha!

    As a P5 school, Utah is competing at the pinnacle of major college football. You guys have never come CLOSE to competing in a P5 league. You were too WACish and midmajory. Still are. How miserable for you. Haha!

    Midmajors forever.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 23, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    “Ya know "pal," it is extreme duty for Utah football to get any motivation whatsoever to play BYU.”

    Already lining up excuses for August?

    Nice planning ahead and so sweet of U to create a safety net for the other kids on a hill.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 23, 2019 11:48 a.m.

    Snack PAC

    “Of course, when you only have to beat

    ASU (7-6)
    USC (5-7)
    Ariz (5-7)
    UCLA (3-9)
    Colo (5-7)

    to win a division title, it's easy to see how an unranked team could win the division.

    Collectively, the PAC South was 2-18 versus ranked teams and the Utes were 0-4 in 2018.”

    BYU has been to the pinnacle of major college football team (Consensus National Championship) and individual (Heisman) achievement,

    and the Utes have never even come close to achieving either,

    so it’s easy to understand why the 2nd most rival obsessed fans in the country incessantly chirp their jealousy from the top of their molehill.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    @ Snac Pac,

    Ya know "pal," it is extreme duty for Utah football to get any motivation whatsoever to play BYu. Y'all are terminal strugglers, have been for many years and are a "nothing burger" in D1 football today and the future. Is the "truth" gonna sink in someday soon????

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    Rockwell:

    “A team that lost 4 of its last 5 and finished unranked at 7-5…That’s your big ‘BCS busting’ win?”

    Whoops! Comprehension fail. How embarrassing for you.

    The question was, what had we done to get INTO the Fiesta Bowl. And the answer was beating BCS #20 Tx A&M. Tx A&M wasn’t 7-5 when we’d been invited. They were 7-4. But, as we’ve been telling you all all along since 2005, if you’re going to count A&M’s bowl opponent as a loss, then you also have to count Utah’s bowl opponent as a win. And that bowl opponent was #25 Pitt. So either way, we’d proved that we’d “earned” our Fiesta Bowl bid.

    And for what it’s worth, I’d be very cautious about panning Utah’s win over Tx A&M because they were only a 7-win team that season…

    …when you guys are always trying to justify your program having been able to back in to the ’84 “sham”pionship by beating UCLA back in 1983. Know how many games the ’83 Bruins won?

    Answer: 7

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    Marked it Down (2 of 2):

    And what is this “could have every easily lost” nonsense. Teams aren’t ranked at the end of the regular season according to what “could have” happened. They’re ranked by what actually “did” happen. And why are you suggesting that A&M “could have lost” to #18 Tx Tech, but don’t believe they “could have beaten” #3 Okla? Both games were spread by a single TD. And how is it you can insist A&M “could have lost” to Colo, but can’t see how they “could have beaten” Baylor?

    Cherry pick much? How disingenuous of you.

    #AnotherCougieLogicFail

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    Marked it Down (1 of 2):

    “Texas A&M didn't deserve to be ranked…The Aggies lost four of their last five games, they were destroyed in their bowl game 7-38, and they could have very easily lost six of their last six games, with their only two wins coming in OT.”

    First of all, they had lost only THREE of their last 5 games. The Cotton Bowl hadn’t been played yet. And their final 3 games of the regular season were – per the Final BCS rankings -- vs. #2 Okla, #22 Tx Tech, and #4 Tex. And they BEAT Tech! They’d also beaten #24 Okla St earlier in the season by over 2 TDs. They’d gone 2-3 vs. Top-25 ranked teams by the end of November. So how is it that someone with that resume does not deserve to be ranked? And especially considering the fact that all your fellow indy-WACers on thread swear up and down that an unranked ’84 AFA squad was deserving of a #24 ranking, despite having a substantially less impressive season-ending resume!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    @ Skywalker,

    Winter is always VERY cold for those that have no hope. We Utes live for today and tomorrow. And, we feel fortunate wholeheartedly being a member of the PAC.

    We'll see the Y in August and good luck to y'all Skywalker. No harm, no foul.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 23, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    "Utah plays in the "big time" these days pal."

    Which explains why Utah, after winning the PAC 12 South, wasn't even good enough to be ranked in the final polls.

    Of course, when you only have to beat

    ASU (7-6)
    USC (5-7)
    Ariz (5-7)
    UCLA (3-9)
    Colo (5-7)

    to win a division title, it's easy to see how an unranked team could win the division.

    Collectively, the PAC South was 2-18 versus ranked teams and the Utes were 0-4 in 2018.

    Enjoy your molehill pal.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 23, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories.

    Enjoy the PAC 12 competition and we'll see U in August.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    @ skywalker,

    Oh contraire' Y fan........... Are U kidding me, or any Ute? Oh heck no! HAHA!

    We Utes live for ALL PAC-12 games and enjoy the competition. It is fine entertainment indeed!

    Utah plays in the "big time" these days pal. Our November football games are always meaningful, other than the unfortunate aberration playing BYu last year.

    Y fans, the minute(adjective) few that actually show up at LES in November, get to ONLY watch exhibition games vs the likes of New Mexico State, Idaho State and UMass late at night in freezing cold weather. I'm happy for U!!!!!! And, y'all deserve it 1000%!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 23, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Nobody cares pal. Go polish and relish in those ol' WAC era relics."

    Don't kid yourself.

    The Utes would give every penny of their $31 million windfall to own

    the 1984 Crystal Football National Championship Trophy
    and
    the 1990 Heisman Trophy.

    The Utes still fly their extremely dusty 1944 banner in the Huntsman
    for winning the 2nd best tourney of the day.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    @ Lone Star,

    Nobody cares pal. Go polish and relish in those ol' WAC era relics.

    We Utes are just fine and have hope, unlike Y fans.

    Cheer up!

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 23, 2019 9:49 a.m.

    Lone*Star

    "In Utah's best season since joining the PAC 12, the Utes were forced to live in Utah State's shadow, because the Utes weren't even good enough to be ranked in either final poll."

    Utah actually finished behind several MWC teams

    AP - #18 Fresno St, #22 Utah St, #23 Boise St, unranked Utah
    Coaches - #18 Fresno St, #21 Utah St, #24 Boise St, unranked Utah

    Per the final polls, the mighty PAC 12 Utes would have been FOURTH in the MWC.

  • bemorefair , 00
    May 23, 2019 9:48 a.m.

    Who is the transcendant coach or player that will make things different for Utah this year than any of the previous however many years it has been that Utah has been a member of the PAC-12?

    Lesson is this. Same stuff in. Same stuff out. No reason to expect Utah will suddenly catch lightning in a bottle, but the Utah media will keep making the same prediction year after year. This year they simply upped the ante.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 23, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Utah fans throwing shade at BYU from the top of their molehill are hysterical.

    In 125 seasons of football, the Utes have never been ranked #1 in either major poll at any point in any season,

    in fact, the Utes have only been ranked in EIGHT AP Top 25 final polls.

    Show us the hardware...

    and I don't mean those make believe SOS trophies that Utah fans so desperately wish were real.

    In Utah's best season since joining the PAC 12, the Utes were forced to live in Utah State's shadow, because the Utes weren't even good enough to be ranked in either final poll.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    Y fans throwing shade at PAC-12 Utah in the 21st century is simply quiet desperation is all. BYu struggles to beat ANY team with a winning record, seldom does in fact and is not considered a "factor" in college football as of today. BYu was wrongfully ranked in 2009, hasn't been since, or possibly could be, especially considering their schedules through 2023..........many P-5 teams starting in 2020.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    @ Spokane Ute,

    I'm grateful that we can share together, as you see it, and I hope to continue.

    Thank you kind sir and goooooo Utes!

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    May 23, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    utemythology

    Bosco's off the cuff remark decades after the fact is totally irrelevant.

    THE only comparison that really counts:

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    Consensus National Champions
    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    Obscure Poll Wannabes
    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 23, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    Utah has realistic hope of doing very well this season and BYu will have to play lights-out to finish 6-6. Welcome back to the U-Y "leather helmet era" Y fans here again in the 21st century. BYu stands no chance vs Utah football in the foreseeable future.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    Marked it Down - Park City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:21 p.m.
    Despite the desperate spin from the hill,

    THE only comparison that really counts:

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    May 22, 2019 9:59 p.m.
    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

    ------

    No, the only comparison that counts:

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michigan

    Source: Robbie Bosco

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    Marked it Down - Park City, UT
    May 23, 2019 7:44 a.m.
    Naval Vet

    "We DEFINITELY earned the #6 BCS ranking. We'd beaten Tx A&M -- who'd finished ranked in the Final BCS poll..."

    Texas A&M didn't deserve to be ranked.

    The Aggies lost four of their last five games, they were destroyed in their bowl game 7-38, and they could have very easily lost six of their last six games, with their only two wins coming in OT.

    -------

    And they could have easily been 9-3, should have been 8-4.

    They lost by 1 point at 3-9 Byalor and 6 points to #3 OU.

    4 of thier 5 loses were top 25, 3 in top 7: #2, #4, #6, and #15.

    That's why they were an AP #28 team.

    Who cares, let's agree then on:

    * 2004 Utah didn't deserve a BCS berth

    * 1984 BYU NC was a sham

    * 2008 Utah was robbed, they should have played in the BCS title game

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 23, 2019 8:10 a.m.

    May 22, 2019 4:37 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute,

    I'm not judging sir. I have read many of your comments here on the DNews relating to politics, religion and 2nd amendment rights. I believe that I know where you stand as a person.

    I like the Northwest on the coasts is all. But, I hear ya and the Spokane area is very pretty.

    All the best to U!
    --------
    Cool enough and fair enough and all the best to U. Look forward to great dialogue in the future.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD

    utemythology

    No!

    What part of BCS #6 automatic qualifying confuses you?

    So you’re admitting that Utah was awarded a BCS #6 ranking without doing anything to earn it.

    Thanks for playing!

    --------------

    Again, the BCS formula decided we did earn a NY 6 bowl at #6 and #3 Auburn did not earn a NC title game.

    At that point Utah had beaten Texas A&M #18/#25 to rank them #20 BCS.

    Sorry you are struggling. Let me help you out with an example from SI:

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie Bosco

  • NWWildcat Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2019 7:49 a.m.

    I think we need a couple of hundred more comments on this rediculous story. This was mine.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 23, 2019 7:44 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "We DEFINITELY earned the #6 BCS ranking. We'd beaten Tx A&M -- who'd finished ranked in the Final BCS poll..."

    Texas A&M didn't deserve to be ranked.

    The Aggies lost four of their last five games, they were destroyed in their bowl game 7-38, and they could have very easily lost six of their last six games, with their only two wins coming in OT.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2019 12:07 a.m.

    Marked it Down:

    Despite the desperate spin from the bubble...

    ...THE only comparison that really counts:

    Pac-12 Utes > midmajor forever cougs

    Rockwell:

    "So you’re admitting that Utah was awarded a BCS #6 ranking without doing anything to earn it."

    Uteology said no such thing. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. All Uteology said was that the 2004 Utes don't lay any claims as the #1 BCS ranking. We DEFINITELY earned the #6 BCS ranking. We'd beaten Tx A&M -- who'd finished ranked in the Final BCS poll -- and we'd beaten Pitt -- who'd finished ranked in the Final AP poll. So if you're going to argue that we didn't deserve the BCS because A&M lost in the Cotton Bowl, then you must also accept that we DID deserve it, because Pitt finished ranked in the Final AP. But if you're going to argue that we hadn't beaten Pitt yet by the time we'd been selected to play in the Fiesta Bowl, then you must accept that A&M hadn't lost to Tennessee yet either. Utah "earned" our BCS bowl. You guys "backed in" to your '84 "sham"pionship. There's other way around it.

    I hope you like being "midmajors forever", as it's your "brand".

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:41 p.m.

    @Rockwell: Quick, jump to margin of victory, even though use of margin of victory was not allowed in the computer polls.

    utemythology: Not according to Jerry Palm.

    YES, according to the BCS

    NY Times: COLLEGE FOOTBALL
    Margin of Victory Falls in Bowl Rating

    “Yesterday [June 25, 2002], the B.C.S. made its annual tweaking, with Tranghese announcing the elimination of the margin of victory as a component in the computer rankings that make up a portion of the B.C.S. calculation. Last year, four of the eight computer rankings included margin of victory.”

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:21 p.m.

    Despite the desperate spin from the hill,

    THE only comparison that really counts:

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    May 22, 2019 9:59 p.m.
    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls

    #1/#1 BYU 1984 -
    AP 38 of 60 (63.3%);
    Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)

    #2/#4 Utah 2008 -
    AP 16 of 65 (24.6%);
    Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 22, 2019 9:59 p.m.

    #1 Votes in the AP and Coaches Polls
    #1/#1 BYU 1984 - AP 38 of 60 (63.3%); Coaches 38 of 44 (86.4%)
    #2/#4 Utah 2008 - AP 16 of 65 (24.6%); Coaches 1 of 61 (1.6%)

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 22, 2019 9:47 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    Even with Utah's best two seasons in history included, Utah 2003-2008 doesn't even come close to matching BYU 1979-1984

    BYU 1979-1984 vs Utah 2003-2008

    Year by Year
    #13/#11 BYU 11-1 vs #21/#21 Utah 10-2
    #12/#12 BYU 12-1 vs #4/#5 Utah 12-0
    #13/#11 BYU 11-2 vs unranked Utah 7-5
    unranked BYU 8-4 vs unranked Utah 8-5
    #7/#7 BYU 11-1 vs unranked Utah 9-4
    #1/#1 BYU 13-0 vs #2/#4 Utah 13-0

    Overall
    BYU 66-9 > Utah 59-16

    Top 12 Finishes
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    0 or 1 loss seasons
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11+ win seasons
    BYU 5 > Utah 2

    Consensus National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked #1 in AP
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Weeks Ranked in AP
    BYU 11, 9, 12, 0, 11, 15 = 58
    Utah 3, 16, 0, 0, 0, 16 = 35

    Longest Winning Streak
    BYU 24 > Utah 14

    Average Score
    BYU 39-17 > Utah 32-19

    Conference Championships
    BYU 6 > Utah 3

    Top 3 Heisman Finalists
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Davey O'Brien Awards (Best QB)
    BYU 2 > Utah 0

    Sammy Baugh Awards (Best Passer)
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Apples-to-Apples SOS (per sports-reference)
    BYU #77, #81, #86, #70, #68, #82
    Utah #65, #70, #77, #78, #57, #80

    Except for a very slight edge in SOS,
    BYU completely dominated Utah across the board.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 8:46 p.m.

    A team that lost 4 of its last 5 and finished unranked at 7-5.

    That’s your big “BCS busting” win?

    ------

    utemythology

    No!

    What part of BCS #6 automatic qualifying confuses you?

    So you’re admitting that Utah was awarded a BCS #6 ranking without doing anything to earn it.

    Thanks for playing!

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 5:35 p.m.

    Here’s ANOTHER article we can point to when coug fans complain about Utah fans commenting too much on the byU boards. And calling us “obsessed”? Oh, but they “NEVER” do that!

    This is a ‘what have you done lately’ world. So what have your beloved cougs done lately? The answer to that, is always the soothing sound of crickets. No P5s are impressed, the NFL or top recruits. As well as the AP polls and CFP. This is just the norm for you guys. Get used to this trend.

    Keep your decades old accomplishments. We’ll look to a bright exciting future!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 5:20 p.m.

    Rockwell - Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 4:52 p.m.
    “2004 Utah beat BCS #20 Texas A@M in the regular season.”

    A team that lost 4 of its last 5 and finished unranked at 7-5.

    That’s your big “BCS busting” win?

    ------

    No!

    What part of BCS #6 automatic qualifying confuses you?

    2004 TAM AP #28 is on par with 1984 #24 AF, the difference I never claimed 2004 Utah earned a NC.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 5:16 p.m.

    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD

    "with the best record in the country from 1979 to 1984"
    --------------------

    Yeah, against the nations weakest schedule. AND...BYU didn't finish ranked in 1982, 1986, 1987, or 1988.

    In fact the 1st time BYU ever finished ranked was 1977, didn't finish ranked in 1978 and had a good run from 79' to 85' with the exception of not being ranked in 1982.

    in 84" BYU simply did something they never did before or since. They went undefeated and they were the only ones who did. But they did do it. Clearly it's tough to go undefeated.

    Perspective:

    Including 1982, BYU finished ranked only 3 of the 7 yrs., from 1982 - 1988. But yep, the 80's were dominating for BYU.

    BTW, I am not a Utah fan that calls the BYU Natty "mythical" or "controversial" or "fake", etc.

    BYU won it fair and square. It's a great accomplishment and I would never want to take it away from them.

    Honest question. Every real accomplishment BYU has was while they were in the WAC. Independence has been a rough road. Why do so many BYU fans like Independence so much? It's like they kicked themselves out of the club.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 5:11 p.m.

    “Nope! NC because teams around you lost.”

    LOL 😂

    The exact same argument could be made for Utah 2008.

    The Utes started the season unranked and only moved up because teams above them in the rankings lost.

    According to that “logic”, Utah shouldn’t have been ranked any higher than #20 in 2004 or 2008.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 4:52 p.m.

    “2004 Utah beat BCS #20 Texas A@M in the regular season.”

    A team that lost 4 of its last 5 and finished unranked at 7-5.

    That’s your big “BCS busting” win?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 4:51 p.m.

    Rockwell - Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 4:18 p.m.
    utemythology

    “Speaking of yawn, a NC beating 6-6 Michigan in the postseason.”

    Nope, a National Championship after finishing in the Top 12 four of the preceding five seasons, with the best record in the country from 1979 to 1984, ending with a 24-game winning streak.

    -----

    Nope! NC because teams around you lost.

    You were the best team in the country from 1979 to 1984? Hahaha

    Nope, Boise State lite!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 4:37 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute,

    I'm not judging sir. I have read many of your comments here on the DNews relating to politics, religion and 2nd amendment rights. I believe that I know where you stand as a person.

    I like the Northwest on the coasts is all. But, I hear ya and the Spokane area is very pretty.

    All the best to U!

  • Simple Holladay, UT
    May 22, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    @ all Byu Fans

    You should be excited and grateful for all of the Utah preseason hype. Mark Aug 29th on your calendars and pray the streak ends. If BYU can win.. it will vault your team into national recognition and land Utah with a thud. What more could you want ? Come on, you know I'm right.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 4:18 p.m.

    utemythology

    “Speaking of yawn, a NC beating 6-6 Michigan in the postseason.”

    Nope, a National Championship after finishing in the Top 12 four of the preceding five seasons, with the best record in the country from 1979 to 1984, ending with a 24-game winning streak.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 4:16 p.m.

    LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:19 p.m.
    @Rockwell

    So, given those facts, what exactly did Utah do in 2004 to "earn" their way into a BCS bowl?

    ------

    @Uteology

    Is that a trick question?

    According to the BCS formula, a G5 team had to finish in the BCS top 6 prior to 2005 to auto qualify for a BCS berth.

    ------

    2/3's of the BCS formula were the two human polls.

    Other than being undefeated, what on Utah's 2004 resume proves that Utah deserved to be ranked in the Top 10?

    Which regular season opponent did Utah beat that was better than any team Boise State beat?

    -------

    My guess why Utah was #6, maybe it was the SAME formula that selected BCS #1 12-0 USC and #2 12-0 OU for the title game and not #3 12-0 Auburn.

    2004 Utah beat BCS #20 Texas A@M in the regular season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 22, 2019 4:05 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute,

    I hear ya man! I know all you radical right-wing NRA gun nuts up there hope for any good news.

    Goooooooo Utes!
    ----------
    Judge and label others often? Pretty odd comment from someone I don't know or have ever met. Living and waking up everyday in the inland NW is all the good news I need.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:45 p.m.
    utemythology

    "The difference, we don't print 50,000 Perfection t-shirts in August or have airport celebrations in week one."

    Nope, U organize parades for yourself for finishing FOURTH in the official championship poll of the day.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have never had an amazing season opening win on the road against a team like Oklahoma, Nebraska or Wisconsin that was worth having a spontaneous celebration at the airport upon the team's return.

    Beating up on a Big Sky opponent at home is barely worth a yawn.

    -----

    Speaking of yawn, a NC beating 6-6 Michigan in the postseason.

    Unfortunately for you, BYU never had an amazing postseason win on the road against a team like #4 Alabama while beating 4 top 25 teams, 2 in the top 25.

    Ironic that Appalachian State did NOT have any spontaneous airport celebrations after they also beat a overrated #3 Michigan.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 3:50 p.m.

    @Rock Coog

    Quick, jump to margin of victory, even though use of margin of victory was not allowed in the computer polls.

    Per Sagarin:

    "In ELO-CHESS, [the method used for the BCS ranking] only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct"."

    ------

    Not according to Jerry Palm.

    "Let's be perfectly clear...[Shagarin] was always score based. The name of the heading and the description has been changed to protect the guilty."

    Source: Sagarin changes formula, finally removes 'Margin of Victory'
    October 20, 2013

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    utemythology

    "The difference, we don't print 50,000 Perfection t-shirts in August or have airport celebrations in week one."

    Nope, U organize parades for yourself for finishing FOURTH in the official championship poll of the day.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have never had an amazing season opening win on the road against a team like Oklahoma, Nebraska or Wisconsin that was worth having a spontaneous celebration at the airport upon the team's return.

    Beating up on a Big Sky opponent at home is barely worth a yawn.

  • Truth Seeker , 00
    May 22, 2019 3:40 p.m.

    A couple of pre-season rankings that somehow didn't make it into the article.

    AP Poll: USU 22 Utah 29
    Coaches Poll: USU 21 Utah 27
    CBS Sports Poll: USU 18 Utah 23
    I could go on and Ute fans can keep telling us how great it is for them to play teams like Northern Illinois and Idaho State. There better game choices for money and recruiting than little old Utah State. Ya Right!!!

  • Simple Holladay, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    I find the comments section hilarious... so much bravado. The games for 2019 have not yet been played. Until fall camp is over and the whistle blows on Aug 31st it is all just speculation.
    Yes, Utah has a legit shot of being good but questions are there.
    Can the Utes develop a young O-line (History says yes they can).
    Can they develop decent Linebackers (history says, yes they can)
    Can the backfield do enough to stop WSU & USC (air raid switch). History says to be skeptical. Will the Receivers step up this year and get yards (there are hints that they can) if they can remain healthy.
    Will they start the season strong (history says they won't but that they will win anyway).
    Can they stay healthy enough to win out. (History says they won't) but recent depth increases suggest they might.
    All of that suggests that this year could be a good year for Utah fans but we won't know, until we know.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    May 22, 2019 2:44 p.m.
    Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 22, 2019 2:16 p.m.
    "Talk is cheap but I would rather get a little good publicity as opposed to bad. The angst it causes the usual cast of characters is priceless."

    Point taken,

    but Utah fans do exactly the same thing whenever a positive pre-season article about BYU is published.

    The angst produced amongst the usual cast of Utah characters whenever the shoe is on the other foot is exactly the same.

    ------------

    The difference, we don't print 50,000 Perfection t-shirts in August or have airport celebrations in week one.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 22, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA
    May 22, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 22, 2019 2:16 p.m.
    "Talk is cheap but I would rather get a little good publicity as opposed to bad. The angst it causes the usual cast of characters is priceless."

    Point taken,

    but Utah fans do exactly the same thing whenever a positive pre-season article about BYU is published.

    The angst produced amongst the usual cast of Utah characters whenever the shoe is on the other foot is exactly the same.
    -------
    I guess that eliminates me from being a "Utah character". I notice you are here as usual; right on cue. I guess that speaks for it self.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    So, given those facts, what exactly did Utah do in 2004 to "earn" their way into a BCS bowl?

    ------

    @Uteology

    Is that a trick question?

    According to the BCS formula, a G5 team had to finish in the BCS top 6 prior to 2005 to auto qualify for a BCS berth.

    ------

    2/3's of the BCS formula were the two human polls.

    Other than being undefeated, what on Utah's 2004 resume proves that Utah deserved to be ranked in the Top 10?

    Which regular season opponent did Utah beat that was better than any team Boise State beat?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:15 p.m.

    skywalker "BYU was better than every OOC opponent on Utah's schedule in
    2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018 (6 of 8)"

    Exactly. Utah will continue to receive national criticism if BYU is the "best" of the OOC schedule. Hopefully, Mark Harlan will get some upgrades, even if we have to buy out some currently-scheduled opponents.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 3:00 p.m.

    utemythology

    "BYU is 4-13 vs P12."

    Totally irrelevant, since 8 of those losses were to Utah, which doesn't play itself.

    ---------------

    As already posted:

    BYU's average Sagarin ranking 2011 to 2018:
    #50

    Utah's PAC 12 opponents ranked higher than #50:
    26

    An average of more than three of Utah's PAC 12 opponents per season have finished higher than BYU's 8 year Sagarin average.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 22, 2019 2:54 p.m.

    utemythology

    Despite your usual frantic and emotional spin, these are the exact Sagarin rankings, as posted by Aunty Mythology:

    2011 - #34 BYU, #69 Pitt, #95 Montana St
    2012 - #19 USU, #26 BYU, #171 No Colo
    2013 - #35 BYU, #41 USU, #228 Weber St
    2014 - #60 Mich, #111 Fresno St, #114 Idaho St (didn't play #56 BYU)
    2015 - #9 Mich, #74 USU, #124 Fresno St (played #39 BYU in Las Vegas Bowl)
    2016 - #36 BYU, #127 SUU, #131 San Jose St
    2017 - #112 BYU, #172 No Dakota, #179 San Jose St
    2018 - #63 BYU, #77 No Illinois, #110 Weber St

    In 2018, #63 BYU was ranked higher than #77 No Illinois
    In 2013, #35 BYU was ranked higher than #41 USU

    BYU was better than every OOC opponent on Utah's schedule in
    2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018 (6 of 8)

    It's hysterical how you always demand a second bite of the apple - SOS, home vs away, comparative scores, margin of victory, whatever other factor you can think of - whenever the rankings don't support your crimson-colored view of the world.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    @Rockwell Coog

    So, given those facts, what exactly did Utah do in 2004 to "earn" their way into a BCS bowl?

    ------

    Is that a trick question?

    According to the BCS formula, a G5 team had to finish in the BCS top 6 prior to 2005 to auto qualify for a BCS berth.

    Only two G5 teams have met the Top 6 requirement: Utah 04 & 08 and TCU 09 & 10.

    BYU has never finished higher than BCS #14.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 22, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    May 22, 2019 2:16 p.m.
    "Talk is cheap but I would rather get a little good publicity as opposed to bad. The angst it causes the usual cast of characters is priceless."

    Point taken,

    but Utah fans do exactly the same thing whenever a positive pre-season article about BYU is published.

    The angst produced amongst the usual cast of Utah characters whenever the shoe is on the other foot is exactly the same.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 22, 2019 2:21 p.m.
    BYU's average Sagarin ranking 2011 to 2018:
    #50

    PAC 12 opponents ranked higher than #50:
    26

    An average of more than three of Utah's PAC 12 opponents per season have finished higher than BYU's 8 year Sagarin average.

    -------

    BYU is 4-13 vs P12.

    Which P12 team that is higher than #50 did you beat?

    BYU would be an annual bottom feeder in the P12, not a top 50 team.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute,

    I hear ya man! I know all you radical right-wing NRA gun nuts up there hope for any good news.

    Goooooooo Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    @Aunty Coog

    BYU was 2nd best to Utah's OOC opponents only in
    2012 and 2015 (2 of 8)

    -----

    Nope!

    In 2018, BYU lost to NIU at LES. You weren't better, your SOS was.

    In 2013 Utah State 9-5 vs BYU 8-6, not much difference.

    In 4 of 8 or 5 of 8 seasons the BEST OOC team wasn't BYU.

    You seem to think BYU is so "good" that we can't replace you by another mediocre G5 team.

    SMH

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 22, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    Navelvet

    "And for what it's worth, we didn't "back in" to the Fiesta or Sugar Bowls. We'd "earned" it."

    By beating THREE teams that finished with winning records in 2004, none better than 7-5??

    Texas A&M (7-5)
    New Mexico (7-5)
    Wyoming (7-5)

    Quick, jump to margin of victory, even though use of margin of victory was not allowed in the computer polls.

    Per Sagarin:

    "In ELO-CHESS, [the method used for the BCS ranking] only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct"."

    btw, Texas A&M, Utah's one "big" regular season win, lost 4 of their last 5 games and was destroyed in their bowl game 7-38.

    So, given those facts, what exactly did Utah do in 2004 to "earn" their way into a BCS bowl?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 2:29 p.m.

    @Aunty Coog
    BYU's average ranking (2011 to 2018): #50
    Other OOC opponent average ranking: #127

    It's quite clear to any objective observer that BYU has helped Utah's OOC SOS.

    -------

    NIU, Utah State, Michigan who WERE all better than the cupcake down south have an average ranking of #127?

    SMH

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:29 p.m.

    Oh goody, the annual Utah to the Rose Bowl prediction.... must be spring.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    Until the ACC and SEC got to 9 conference games instead of 8 like the PAC12 and BIG10, Utah would be stupid to add P5's to their OOC schedule. For the instate schools...I would recommend Utah playing out of state group of 5 schools because BYU and Utah State treat the Utah game as their superbowl...just like Utah used to treat USC and Stanford as their superbowl. Utah has nothing to gain by playing in state schools...and LOTS to lose. Call us whimps if you like...but the focus has to be on the 9 PAC12 games and hopeful and conference championship game...if down the road, the program is a legit national contender for the playoff, then we can revisit the OOC schedule...but until...please stop the non-sense. There is NO benefit to Utah's program for playing in state schools.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 22, 2019 2:21 p.m.

    BYU's average Sagarin ranking 2011 to 2018:
    #50

    PAC 12 opponents ranked higher than #50:
    26

    An average of more than three of Utah's PAC 12 opponents per season have finished higher than BYU's 8 year Sagarin average.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 22, 2019 2:16 p.m.

    Talk is cheap but I would rather get a little good publicity as opposed to bad. The angst it causes the usual cast of characters is priceless.

    Go Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 1:59 p.m.

    So many whY fans chirping in, always pray to beat Utah and lose.......but with who and how in 2019? BYu has one legit player on their defense, Isaiah Kaufusi is it, no depth. On offense, their entire starting O-line is just awful, again no depth. The only playmaker BYu has, other than lil' Zachary Wilson who hasn't beaten a decent team, is incredibly out-of-shape, currently injured, who cannot block a nickel back on his best day, Matt Bushman.

    BYu is gonna be beyond lucky to finish 6-6.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    Riddles in the Dark:

    "It's interesting how rankings are only sacrosanct to Utah fans when they support your always biased and self-serving narratives."

    So why are you addressing this post to ME? Shouldn't you have said that to "blue n gold"? Or "skywalker"? Or "Aunty Mythology"? After all, THEY'RE the ones cherry picking games and rankings!

    It's always interesting to see how codified hypocrisy is in cougar nation.

    And for what it's worth, we didn't "back in" to the Fiesta or Sugar Bowls. We'd "earned" it. The "hard" way (re: Top-6 finishes, rather than the later relaxed metric of Top-12). You all just "backed in" to your "sham"pionship, ala going undefeated (and just BARELY at that) ala uber weak SOS. Nobody respected your '84 season. That's why you're still "midmajors forever", whereas Utah and TCU are not.

    #TruthBomb

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 22, 2019 1:52 p.m.

    utemythology

    re: BYU has been THE BEST OOC opponent on Utah's schedule nearly every season since Utah joined the PAC 12.

    2011 - #34 BYU, #69 Pitt, #95 Montana St
    2012 - #19 USU, #26 BYU, #171 No Colo
    2013 - #35 BYU, #41 USU, #228 Weber St
    2014 - #60 Mich, #111 Fresno St, #114 Idaho St (didn't play #56 BYU)
    2015 - #9 Mich, #74 USU, #124 Fresno St (played #39 BYU in Las Vegas Bowl)
    2016 - #36 BYU, #127 SUU, #131 San Jose St
    2017 - #112 BYU, #172 No Dakota, #179 San Jose St
    2018 - #63 BYU, #77 No Illinois, #110 Weber St

    Per Sagarin:

    BYU was better than every OOC opponent on Utah's schedule in
    2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018 (6 of 8)

    BYU was 2nd best to Utah's OOC opponents only in
    2012 and 2015 (2 of 8)

    BYU's average ranking (2011 to 2018): #50
    Other OOC opponent average ranking: #127

    It's quite clear to any objective observer that BYU has helped Utah's OOC SOS.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 22, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum - CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 12:58 p.m.
    @ Blue Coug,

    “Did I ever mention you? I did not.”

    What’s with the obfuscation? You quoted me verbatim after launching a big time personal attack, which you promised never to do on a public blog.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    plyxply:

    “Win something, then talk about how good you are.”

    First of all, it’s the media – not Ute fans – who are writing all these articles.

    Second, we’d already won something: our 2nd Pac-12 South title, and our 1st Pac-12 South title outright. Perhaps the losers of 8 in a row in their “Super Bowl” should try winning something before talking. And you’re past due for that. Typical hypocritical coug.

    Shush!

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    Utah off-season articles are starting to sound just like BYU articles of the past decade. Utah was the second best team in the state of Utah, so to project them to win anything in the pac 12 is a major stretch. Win something, then talk about how good you are.

  • brian of ohio Kent, OH
    May 22, 2019 1:17 p.m.

    Utah is no shoe in for winning the south. They have a great chance at being great this year with all the talent (2QBs, 3 RBs, 2TEs, 3 LBs, and some nice DLs- Max Tupai might be the 5th best lineman we have and he is showing signs of being a great player.)

    P12 south - Arizona and ASU both look to be having down years based on who they have to replace. USC though could pull a run for our money IF J Daniels improves over his freshman campaign which is likely based on how he ended the year. UCLA is an unknown, but I wouldn't count out Chip Kelley in his second year. And CU was a lot better than people give them credit for last year. They had 11? starters out with injuries the last 3 or 4 games of the season.

    Utah's trap games as CAL and CU, both potentially before Wash. If we win those two and manage to finally beat WSU, then I think we win the south, win or lose to Washington.

    As for BYU, I would love to drop the NIU level game and pick up a good P5 from the Big 10 or Big 12. BYU is a good team to have on the schedule as they have some respect but haven't been great. Keep an easy out in Idaho level, BYU/USU on a revolving basis and then a P5 to finish it off.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 1:15 p.m.

    @ND95CA - Lincoln Park, IL

    "BYU has been THE BEST OOC opponent on Utah's schedule nearly every season since Utah joined the PAC 12."
    ------------------

    That's true. What's the debate? The Michigan team we beat who finished ranked was the best OOC team Utah has played in scheduled OOC games since PAC 12 membership.

    So what?

    Utah's schedules are strong enough without improving our OOC slate.

    Ironically, BYU and USU fans feel the need to improve Utah's OOC schedule for them.

    They should focus on their own schedules. They are lacking big time.

    Hey, BYU. Want a legitimate shot at a CFP run?

    Schedule 10, P5 opponents per yr. The minimum for teams in P5 conferences is 9, plus a 10th in a CCG (unless you are Alabama).

    Until BYU has 10 per yr., they will NOT qualify for any CFP ever. No matter how many times they go undefeated (which so far, is once ever in history).

    An undefeated BYU most likely likely won't make a NY6 game either. Why? Their schedule, and they are not in a conf.

    It's just how it's structured today.

    If Utah wins the PAC 12, they go to the Rose Bowl. It's simple. It's how it's structured today.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    arrogant chickens "What is the advantage to Utah playing Montana State, Northern Colorado..."
    Jon Wilner at the Mercury News has an article out chiding Utah for their OOC schedule. He gives the Utes a "D" because they are quite capable of taking on an A team yet still play their old MWC friends.

    "If the Utes were really serious about improving their OOC"
    I attribute that weak OOC to Chris Hill and look forward to Mark Harlan improving the games.

    "BYU and Utah State are always been MUCH better than the Big Sky cream puffs"
    Wilner criticized Utah and Washington State for having no "A" teams on their schedules, and yes BYU is on both schedules. It's good for BYU to have so many PAC teams on future schedules, but the PAC needs to make sure their members schedule an "A" team in addition to "B"YU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    ND95CA (cont.):

    3. Enticing gate receipts

    If you’re not going to improve our recruiting reach, and you’re not going to provide us with any semblance of a “season’s signature win”, we’d need a much larger financial incentive to agree to play an OOC roadie. We have choices. It’s not a “must choose from either USU, WSU, or ybU-p” situation.

    4. Advantageous scheduling

    If you’re not going to improve our recruiting reach, and you’re not going to provide us with any semblance of a “season’s signature win”, and you’re not going to offer a competitive financial incentive to travel to your stadium, a 2-for-1 scheduling arrangement would at least be financially advantageous, as another game at RES = addition ticket sales. And we ALWAYS sell out RES.

    There’s no “fear”. And you know it. You just like to use “fear” as an incentive to bait us into proving to you that we’re not! Except that this strategy fails because we don’t have to prove anything to you guys. We’re already relevant. You’re not. It’s YOU who have something to prove to US! And thus far, the only thing you all have proven is that you’re not competitive enough to incentivize us to travelling to your place.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    ND95CA:

    “Utah refuses to face Weber State (basketball) and Utah State (football and basketball) on the road, and is desperately trying to run away from BYU in all sports…It isn't because those teams aren't competitive. It's because the Utes are scared of getting their feelings hurt by losing to in-state teams, especially on the road.”

    No, it’s because those teams aren’t competitive. And because Utah makes more money playing at RES and JHC than we do on the road. So if we’re going to go on the road, it needs to be worth our while.

    1. Advantageous recruiting.

    We already pretty much own the state for top recruits, so playing in Cache, Davis, and Utah Counties doesn’t really offer us the same recruiting advantages we’d have by playing in San Jose, Fresno, San Diego, et al.

    2. Strong national profile.

    Neither USU, WSU, or ybU-p find themselves as regular “CFP poll” programs. Beating “unranked” teams is so very “meh”. So if playing a team doesn’t embellish our recruiting reach, they’d better do something to improve our national profile/ranking/bowl destination.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 22, 2019 1:09 p.m.

    Navelvet

    "Beating #21 Boston College + an unranked N Dame team > beating an unranked N Dame team"

    True:

    But finishing #24 and beating #24 > finishing #25

    and more importantly

    Finishing #1/#1 > finishing #4/#5 or #2/#4.

    It's interesting how rankings are only sacrosanct to Utah fans when they support your always biased and self-serving narratives.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    @ND95CA

    FACT:

    BYU has been THE BEST OOC opponent on Utah's schedule nearly every season since Utah joined the PAC 12.

    ------------

    In your fantasies, yes.

    Not in 5 of the 8 seasons:
    2012 @ #16 USU
    2013 USU 9-5
    2014 @MI
    2015 #12 MI
    2018 @NIU 8-6

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    @ Blue Coug,

    Did I ever mention you? I did not.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "Hey Y fans, the last BYU QB that had a good game vs Utah was John Beck, last decade. What gives U any hope this season?"

    In 1964, Utah won their first WAC title, was ranked for the first time in its history (only in Coaches), and beat BYU for the 16th time in the last 18 games.

    In 1965, BYU won their first conference title, ever, and beat Utah for only the third time in history.

    By the time Utah won their 2nd WAC championship (shared with BYU) and had earned their 1st Final AP ranking,

    BYU had won 18 WAC championships, a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, numerous other national individual awards, and had been ranked in the Final AP poll 11 times.

    The only thing constant in sports is change.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    @ ND95CA,

    I hear ya man! Just one simple question for U........... WhY should PAC-12 Utah be forced to play nobody BYu every year? It benefits us NOT!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    skywalker:

    “Pitt finished in a FOUR-WAY tie for 1st in the 7-team Big Least, ONE game ahead of the FIFTH place team, almost losing to non-Div1 Furman 41-38 and losing to Syracuse (6-6) 31-38.”

    And the ’84 AFA team finished 3rd in the WAC.

    1. 1st (tied) Big East > 3rd WAC.
    2. ONE game ahead of the 5th-place Big East team > ONE game ahead of the 6th-place WAC team
    3. Beating #21 Boston College + an unranked N Dame team > beating an unranked N Dame team
    4. Losing to a 6-6 Syr is less embarrassing than losing to a 6-6 Wyo, as AFA had done in 1984
    5. “almost losing” = “did not lose to” = “win”

    “Pitt wasn't even ranked in the AP and Coaches polls for most of the season and finished #21 in the final BCS standings.”

    And yet, it was STILL a MUCH bigger win than that one you all eked out in Colorado Springs back in 1984. That's the discussion I was having with "blue n gold". Edge: Utah. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    skywalker:

    “Pitt finished in a FOUR-WAY tie for 1st in the 7-team Big Least, ONE game ahead of the FIFTH place team, almost losing to non-Div1 Furman 41-38 and losing to Syracuse (6-6) 31-38.”

    And the ’84 AFA team finished 3rd in the WAC.

    1. 1st (tied) Big East > 3rd WAC.
    2. ONE game ahead of the 5th-place Big East team > ONE game ahead of the 6th-place WAC team
    3. Beating #21 Boston College + an unranked N Dame team > beating an unranked N Dame team
    4. Losing to a 6-6 Syr is less embarrassing than losing to a 6-6 Wyo, as AFA had done in 1984
    5. “almost losing” = “did not lose to” = “win”

    “Pitt wasn't even ranked in the AP and Coaches polls for most of the season and finished #21 in the final BCS standings.”

    And yet, it was STILL a MUCH bigger win than that one you all eked out in Colorado Springs back in 1984. That's the discussion I was having with "blue n gold". Edge: Utah. How miserable for you.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    I look forward to a very quiet LES yet again on week #1. It is a distinct advantage for any team, all P-5 teams of course, that finishes the season with a winning record to play @ BYu. Their fans are not loyal and beyond fickle. Their own team hates that their fans always "boo" them when they are struggling.

    Although not often, but at times, Utah takes BYu serious at LES.......and win every game this decade, regardless of their attitude.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:38 p.m.

    re: "We hope Utah goes undefeated and wins the Rose Bowl after BYU beats you..."

    Utah-Hawaii Alum: "When the most childish and unfortunate of all Y fans make comments like... [the above]"

    Didn't you promise never to do that?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    May 22, 2019 11:31 a.m.
    utemythology

    "BYU fans making up a poll ranking for a mediocre 8-5 Air Force"

    As usual, you're making up your own "facts" again, obviously not even capable of citing Air Force's actual record correctly.

    Nobody said Air Force was "ranked" #24, because the AP and Coaches polls only "ranked" the Top 20 in 1984,

    but Air Force (8-4) did finish #24, tied with Notre Dame, whom they beat, in the Final AP poll.

    ------

    8-4 or 8-5, AF was still MEDIOCRE.

    That's your claim to deserving a NC, SAD!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 12:25 p.m.

    Hey Y fans, the last BYu QB that had a good game vs Utah was John Beck, last decade. What gives U any hope this season? Utah's premier D will be all over lil' Zachary Wilson from snap #1. U know it, and we "know it."

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 22, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -
    @ chickens,

    "ALL REAL Utes would like to play one real team on our OOC schedule every year. We face at least 9 P-5 teams every season..."

    Since BYU is such a "pushover", why not use that as your gimme, and drop the FCS teams and add "real teams" to your OOC schedule?

    The truth is, Utah is a talk, but no walk, when it comes to really improving Utah's OOC schedule.

    FACT:

    BYU has been THE BEST OOC opponent on Utah's schedule nearly every season since Utah joined the PAC 12.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 22, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    Naval Vet -

    @Lone*Star: “Utah fans would rather ‘claim’ superiority, than prove it on the field or court.”

    "Oh that’s real rich coming from a fan of a school who’d lost “on the field” 8 times in a row..."

    It's not BYU fans who are pleading with their administration to stop scheduling Utah.

    Utah refuses to face Weber State (basketball) and Utah State (football and basketball) on the road, and is desperately trying to run away from BYU in all sports.

    It isn't because those teams aren't competitive. It's because the Utes are scared of getting their feelings hurt by losing to in-state teams, especially on the road.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 22, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    Naval Vet -
    @blue n gold: “#1 BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road, a MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.”

    "The way you put it, you’d think that ’04 Pitt played only a 3-game season..."

    Pitt finished in a FOUR-WAY tie for 1st in the 7-team Big Least, ONE game ahead of the FIFTH place team, almost losing to non-Div1 Furman 41-38 and losing to Syracuse (6-6) 31-38.

    Pitt wasn't even ranked in the AP and Coaches polls for most of the season and finished #21 in the final BCS standings.

    If not for the Big Least's auto-bid, Pitt wouldn't have even sniffed a BCS bowl.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    Lone*Star:

    “Utah fans would rather ‘claim’ superiority, than prove it on the field or court.”

    Oh that’s real rich coming from a fan of a school who’d lost “on the field” 8 times in a row, but always claiming afterward that it was due to “bad luck”, “injuries”, and/or “poor officiating” that caused it. Clearly, it’s the indy-WACers who would (and do) prefer to “claim” superiority, rather than proving it on the field.

    Why don't you guys actually try "not losing" to us, before you go around insisting that we haven't been proving our supremacy on the field?

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:53 a.m.

    So, the though that Utah could go undefeated after losing to BYU, would make BYU a better team than any they have had since the 80's.

    If BYU beats Utah, that's really bad news for this Utah team and the hype will just simply have been wrong.

    And at this time of yr. who knows what's right and wrong. It's all preseason and we won't know until we play the games.

    That said, Utah does have a good team coming back. And a lot of pundits seem to be seeing that. So, that part is fun. But again, means nothing if Utah lays an egg.

    My prediction. Utah won't lay an egg. But we shall see. It's why we play the games and part of what makes it fun.

    Win, lose or draw, I'll cheer on my Utes!!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 11:50 a.m.

    @ Lone Star,

    You make bold claims always sir. Do U really thunk BYu can beat Utah? Really?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    @ chickens,

    ALL REAL Utes would like to play one real team on our OOC schedule every year. We face at least 9 P-5 teams every season........tough duty indeed.

    If we didn't have to, forced to in fact, schedule the Utah corporation that owns BYu, then we would schedule a good team.

    Does that add up to U in reality fine sir?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "...Air Force did finish #24 in the final AP poll, tied with #24 Notre Dame, both higher than #25 Pittsburgh finished in the final AP poll of 2004."

    How could a team finish 24th in the final AP poll, when that poll only ranked the Top-20?

    #CougarLogicFail

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    Aunty Mythology:

    "...Air Force did finish #24 in the final AP poll, tied with #24 Notre Dame, both higher than #25 Pittsburgh finished in the final AP poll of 2004."

    How could a team finish 24th in the final AP poll, when that poll only ranked the Top-20?

    #CougarLogicFail

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 22, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    When the most childish and unfortunate of all U fans claims that BYU beating the eventual Rose Bowl Champion Utes wouldn't be BYU making BYU "look good", it simply proves the overwhelming angst Utah fans suffer every time they even think about the possibility of losing to BYU.

    It's no wonder that U so desperately want to run away from BYU.

    Your claim that U would rather play Utah State is a total farce; U have no intention of ever playing in Logan again.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 11:43 a.m.

    mussingaround:

    "The best thing that could happen to bolster Utah's Rose Bowl chances would be to lose that opening game to BYU."

    What would an indy-WACer -- whose own program never qualified for a BCS bowl game -- know anything about how to play one's way into the Rose Bowl? Losing to the tdS would only be the "best case scenario" for the tdS. But win or lose, that game will have absolutely NO impact whatsoever on whether or not Utah makes it to Pasadena on New Year's Day.

    The "best thing that could happen to bolster Utah's Rose Bowl chances" would be for us to continue to play our traditional 'vanilla" game vs. the tdS, so as to NOT show too much of our new playbook to Trojans -- who we'll be visiting 3-wks later.

    Beating USC impacts our angle on the Rose Bowl. Beating neighboring indy-irrelevant WAC-wannabes does not.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 11:33 a.m.

    Fashion Police - Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 22, 2019 8:50 a.m.
    utemythology

    “We had a real good chance at a Rose Bowl berth last season. Utah literally threw it away on a good pass that hit the hands then off the foot of our WR to a pick 6.”

    Utah 3
    Washington 10

    Doing victory laps to celebrate margin of defeat...

    LOL 😂

    So like the Utes who give games away, but never lose.

    --------

    Nope!

    The difference, I never did victory laps claiming Washington was only 7 points better.

    The fact still remains, Utah "was closer" to a Rose Bowl in 2018 then they are today.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 22, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    utemythology

    "BYU fans making up a poll ranking for a mediocre 8-5 Air Force"

    As usual, you're making up your own "facts" again, obviously not even capable of citing Air Force's actual record correctly.

    Nobody said Air Force was "ranked" #24, because the AP and Coaches polls only "ranked" the Top 20 in 1984,

    but Air Force (8-4) did finish #24, tied with Notre Dame, whom they beat, in the Final AP poll.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 22, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    UT-HAW alum

    "'We hope Utah goes undefeated and wins the Rose Bowl after BYU beats you' is merely a disingenuous remark and feeble prayer that Utah will somehow make the Y look good is all."

    NOPE!

    If BYU beats the eventual Rose Bowl champ to open the season, it will be BYU, not Utah, who made the Y "look good".

    As has always been the case, losing to BYU in anything is a Utah fan's worst nightmare.

    Utah fans would rather "claim" superiority, than prove it on the field or court.

    That's why U ran away from Utah State and why U are desperately trying to run away from BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    blue n gold:

    “#1 BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road, a MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.”

    The way you put it, you’d think that ’04 Pitt played only a 3-game season, and went 1-1-1 in it, wouldn’t ya say, Capt. Cherry Picker? But here are the facts:

    In 1984, there WAS no #24. So you didn’t beat the 24th ranked team in the nation that year, and neither did Notre Dame. AFA and N Dame both finished unranked. And for the record, so too did Va Tech. The unranked Falcons went 8-4 vs. a slate of opponents that went a collective* 65-61-4 (.515).

    In 2004, #25 Pitt went 8-4 vs. a slate of opponents that went a collective* 77-57 (.575). In other words, Pitt played a tougher schedule. One of Pitt’s wins was vs. #21 Boston College. And for what it’s worth, ’04 Pitt beat N Dame too.

    And of course, trouncing an 8-4, 25th-ranked Big East champion 35-7, trumps squeaking by an unranked 3rd-place WAC team 30-25.

    So no, you DIDN’T beat a “MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.” You beat a mediocre midmajor. And just barely.

    Edge: Utah/Pitt

    * FCS teams excluded

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    blue n gold:

    “#1 BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road, a MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.”

    The way you put it, you’d think that ’04 Pitt played only a 3-game season, and went 1-1-1 in it, wouldn’t ya say, Capt. Cherry Picker? But here are the facts:

    In 1984, there WAS no #24. So you didn’t beat the 24th ranked team in the nation that year, and neither did Notre Dame. AFA and N Dame both finished unranked. And for the record, so too did Va Tech. The unranked Falcons went 8-4 vs. a slate of opponents that went a collective* 65-61-4 (.515).

    In 2004, #25 Pitt went 8-4 vs. a slate of opponents that went a collective* 77-57 (.575). In other words, Pitt played a tougher schedule. One of Pitt’s wins was vs. #21 Boston College. And for what it’s worth, ’04 Pitt beat N Dame too.

    And of course, trouncing an 8-4, 25th-ranked Big East champion 35-7, trumps squeaking by an unranked 3rd-place WAC team 30-25.

    So no, you DIDN’T beat a “MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.” You beat a mediocre midmajor. And just barely.

    Edge: Utah/Pitt

    * FCS teams excluded

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    Whatever. Just play the games and lets see where we spend the holidays.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    All these whY fans blipping about making erroneous snide comments.......y'all will struggle to go 6-6 this season, unranked again of course, but from 2020 thru 2023, those "half-P-5 schedules" will be the final dagger........ IF, "IF" that is, BYu D1 football still exists? "If" ESPN makes no offer, which they haven't so far, y'all's pity-party is TOAST! It really is that simple.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum -

    "When the most childish and unfortunate of all Y fans make comments like..."

    For most childish and unfortunate of all fans...

    see mirror.

    Any team opening the season with a win over the eventual Rose Bowl winner would have accomplished something worthy of being made to "look good".

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 22, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    utemythology

    "There was no Top 25 in 1984, AF was never ranked in ANY 1984 weekly poll."

    True, but Air Force did finish #24 in the final AP poll, tied with #24 Notre Dame, both higher than #25 Pittsburgh finished in the final AP poll of 2004.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    Really BYu fans, how is your FCS caliber football team gonna beat Utah's D-line alone this August? All 10 gazillion of your frantic prayers have not achieved anything vs Utah in the 2nd decade of the 21st century. My hope is that Utah football cares enough to deliver another unreal, brutal BYu beat-down @ LES.

    Y'all have no talent or coaches to beat Utah. It is the "U-Y leather helmet era" reincarnated ......... oh my ..........HAHA!

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    Utahute72

    "To all the... BYU and Utah State fans, seriously what is the advantage for Utah in playing these schools."

    What is the advantage to Utah playing

    Montana State,
    Northern Colorado,
    Weber State,
    Idaho State,
    Fresno State,
    Southern Utah,
    North Dakota,
    Weber State, and
    Idaho State

    other than an easy home win to pad your record?

    If the Utes were really serious about improving their OOC SOS, they START, by dropping the above and similar teams from their schedule, and adding home-and-home series with power conference teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and LSU.

    The truth is, BYU and Utah State are always been MUCH better than the Big Sky cream puffs Utah has been scheduling every year since joining the PAC 12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    May 22, 2019 9:26 a.m.
    The best thing that could happen to bolster Utah's Rose Bowl chances would be to lose that opening game to BYU.

    The pressure of trying to maintain an undefeated season would then be off and the Utes could concentrate on winning one game at a time.

    It worked for BYU in 1983 all the way to a Consensus National Championship in 1984.

    -------------

    SHM

    It didn't work for UCF in 2017 all the way to a NY6 bowl in 2018 (25 straight wins).

    If Utah loses to the cupcake down south in week one, Utah will finish 7-5 this year.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    When the most childish and unfortunate of all Y fans make comments like........"We hope Utah goes undefeated and wins the Rose Bowl after BYu beats you" is merely a disingenuous remark and feeble prayer that Utah will somehow make the Y look good is all. The "TRUE" fact and tragedy is, in essence........ "BYu football cannot make the Y "look good."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    blue n gold - Redmond, WA
    May 22, 2019 9:19 a.m.
    justgordy

    "the 1984 Cougars beat nobody that was ranked nationally at the end of the year..."

    yawn

    #1 BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road, a MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.

    -----------------

    Fake news!

    There was no Top 25 in 1984, AF was never ranked in ANY 1984 weekly poll.

    Plus, by definition, including math, #24 is NOT "much" better than #25.

    BYU fans making up a poll ranking for a mediocre 8-5 Air Force, shows how SAD the 1984 NC really was.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    Sanefan: "Am I hearing clamour about an NC. When you start talking "undeafeated season," and "CFP"; that certainly is the inference."

    Yes you are; from BYU-P fans. What NYD bowl game are the writers predicting your team will be in?

    These predictions are all entertaining at this time of the year, but I trust Whitt to keep them grounded and let the season play out. Get the three pre-conference warmup games out the way and Ludwig's offense rolling and then stay healthy and get to work. Should be fun.

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    To all the prattling BYU and Utah State fans, seriously what is the advantage for Utah in playing these schools. Some ask why schedule out of state G5 schools, because of the unequal emotional attachment of the local fans as shown in these comments. Utah has everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing them. BYU and USU on the other hand have everything to gain and nothing to lose. With only three games to play outside conference it seems wasteful to schedule the local teams. But if we must schedule one, I'd prefer it were USU. They are a much longer term rival with a deeper tradition, going back to be beginnings of Utah Football. BYU is really nothing more than a blip on the college football radar.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum CA, 00
    May 22, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    I really think these types of hype articles do not reflect anything other than needless, unsubstantiated "noise" that is of ZERO reflection to the mindset of Utah football and its realistic fanbase. We REAL Utes know our strengths and possible liabilities as we approach the 2019 football season. We have hope........unlike the Parochial Puppet Palace.

    I additionally hope that summer workouts are going well and Utah can get that O-line somewhat sorted and a dependable FG kicker emerges during fall camp.

    Utah has three early cupcake contests before we face USC on the road. We gotta stay healthy folks!

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    Aggie fans are hilarious...BYU fans are hilarious...why all the hate? Take your shots...I'm content with the current state of our program at Utah...we are trending in the right direction. Many don't realize the depth required to play a full P5 schedule. Look back at Utah in 2004 and 2008...all they had to win was one or two big games per year and then cruise through an average group of 5 schedule. That is where Utah State is today. Be happy for where your program has come, but to believe you have the depth to go 500 in a P5 schedule is funny...just ask Wells at Texas Tech about his talent on a bottom Big12 team compared to an almost top Mountain West team...not even close. Ask Gary Anderson the same question...why do guys that got limited time as backups at Utah go to Utah state and expect to be major contributors? And for BYU...no comment...you are what you are and we are what we are...let's play the game in August when our guys are motivated and see what actually plays out on the field...no looking past BYU this year since they are the opener and are not slotted the week before the biggest game in Utah's history last year...I predict a 30 point blow out for Utah at LES.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:39 a.m.

    Aggies#1

    @ justgordon
    "It's strange how the mighty red big brother suddenly stopped playing the "little" blue brother after they got beat in Logan. I can also see why they stopped playing us in basketball because the last time they beat us in Logan was 1996. I am also sure coach k fears for their players safety. It makes perfect sense. If you can't beat them you should stop playing them even if it is an in state rivalry.. Go Aggies"

    So true!

    The Utes refuse to play any of their state school rivals because they're scared to death of getting their feelings hurt in Logan, Ogden, Orem and Cedar City.

    Safety first...

    Go Aggies, Wildcats, Wolverines and Thunderbirds!

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    @longjohn - all the injuries and still competing at the top of the conference just means that the conference was awful last year. Definitely the bottom of the P5s. But the Rose Bowl is a fantastic consolation prize for missing the playoff!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 22, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    The best thing that could happen to bolster Utah's Rose Bowl chances would be to lose that opening game to BYU.

    The pressure of trying to maintain an undefeated season would then be off and the Utes could concentrate on winning one game at a time.

    It worked for BYU in 1983 all the way to a Consensus National Championship in 1984.

  • Aggies#1 MURRAY, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    @ justgordon
    It's strange how the mighty red big brother suddenly stopped playing the "little" blue brother after they got beat in Logan. I can also see why they stopped playing us in basketball because the last time they beat us in Logan was 1996. I am also sure coach k fears for their players safety. It makes perfect sense. If you can't beat them you should stop playing them even if it is an in state rivalry.. Go Aggies

  • Frank Walters Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:24 a.m.

    I hope we can avoid the pitfalls of the past, we've been in golden situations before and have managed to choke. I really hope we can make the Rose Bowl, that would be amazing. But I'll believe it when I see it

    Go Utes!

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    May 22, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    justgordy

    "the 1984 Cougars beat nobody that was ranked nationally at the end of the year..."

    yawn

    #1 BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road, a MUCH better team than the #25 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl.

    #24 Air Force (8-4) beat #24 Notre Dame 21-7, lost to #1 BYU 25-30 and thrashed Va Tech in their bowl game.

    Big least quad champion #25 Pittsburgh (8-4), barely beat Furman 41-38, lost to Connecticut 17-29, and, of course was thrashed by #4 Utah in their bowl game.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    I'm a big Utah fan, but it does seem premature to be predicting the Rose Bowl.

  • utahcoyote St. George, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    in a way it shouldn't be surprising that byu fans do a fire alarm drill in their hurry to comment on a utah article.

    should be an interesting season for utah. does ludwig really get total control of the utah offense, or does whittingham wrestle it away again as he does most years? personnel wise, the utes look solid on both sides of the ball. will be very curious to see the kicking game, because that is where they lost the most important players.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    A lot of National Championship chirping from the cupcake down south fans, whose only contribution will be having the honor of being our first win this season.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Wishing the Utes an undefeated season
    all the way through to a
    Rose Bowl Championship...

    after losing to BYU

    GO Cougs!

    💙 🤙 🏈

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 22, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    utemythology

    “We had a real good chance at a Rose Bowl berth last season. Utah literally threw it away on a good pass that hit the hands then off the foot of our WR to a pick 6.”

    Utah 3
    Washington 10

    Doing victory laps to celebrate margin of defeat...

    LOL 😂

    So like the Utes who give games away, but never lose.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    Before I even read the article or the 18 (so far) comments, I can feel safe in saying – wow, byuP jealousy is on full display!

    Ute buster
    You’ve got that wrong. How do all those supposed 2 stars end up in the league? Cody Barton – 3 star recruit drafted 88th; Porter Guston - 5 star recruit at USC undrafted. Nobody develops them better than Utah

    After I read the comments, I saw a little aggie jealousy. Still, I’d much rather schedule USU than byuP.

    Glad whit keeps their heads clear and focused – they don’t need all the pre-season distraction.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    "Don't count your chickens before they hatch"!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:34 a.m.

    I prefer Utah as the underdog pulling off "unexpected" victories, but after years in that role the secret is no longer in the bag. Nobody in the conference overlooks the Utes anymore. Its nice to see the Utes get the respect they've earned. Now they have to play with a target on their back.

    Sanefan - "Am I hearing clamour about an NC? That certainly is the inference."
    Congrats on the correct use of the word. You inferred what no Utes fan implied.

    The PAC conference tends to "beat themselves up". Like last year, the PAC champ will probably have a couple of conference losses (no undefeated season), meaning the PAC will get passed over by the CFP unless the other P5's also have 2 loss champions. So, one can have Rose Bowl as a goal without implying undefeated season and NC.

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    @but seriously, 65 fly trap, same fan, max, top, etc.

    Despite the snarky comments from the byu-p fanbase, Utah's football team and fanbase are cautiously optimistic about this upcoming football season. We've made no pretentious claims about an upcoming undefeated season, or reaching the college playoffs. We'll leave that to other fanbases.

    Instead, we'll just focus on the teams on our schedule, one game at a time, beginning in August against a team that we have defeated 8 times in a row.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    “Preseason hype, as always... all hat and NO cattle.“

    mdcoog:

    It’s brave of you to skewer the annually amusing coog predictions of victory.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:24 a.m.

    A reader has to love the comments from both sets our little blue brothers in Logan and Provo.

    First, the 1984 Cougars beat nobody that was ranked nationally at the end of the year. They had to come from behind to barely beat one of the most mediocre Michigan teams of all time. 1984 was the catalyst for the BCS and now the National Playoffs. The was no unanimous champion in 1984. Wikipedia reports "Following the Orange Bowl victory over second-ranked Oklahoma,[9][10][11] NCAA-deemed "major selectors"[12]:107 of Clyde Berryman (QPRS), Football News, and National Championship Foundation (NCF), each selected Washington as their national champion, with NCF splitting its selection with the BYU Cougars.[12]:113"

    As for whether the UTES go undefeated....they are talented enough, but talent always needs a bit of luck to keep injuries at a minimum, especially to key players. UTE fans can only hope and cheer for that!! We do know that win #9 in a row will happen in Provo despite the overly optimistic musings of KSL! The really big games for the UTES are in the PAC12: USC and UW; let's hope that each of those games end with a Utah by 5 victory!

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    May 22, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    Preseason hype, as always... all hat and NO cattle.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 22, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    Whit isn't an offensive minded coach. That's the entire problem. I don't know how much he sticks his nose into the offense. He should take a page from Edwards and get good O coordinators and let them do their thing, without interference.

    That said, I'll be the Utes crash and burn again.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    May 22, 2019 6:51 a.m.

    We know that the defense will be rock solid. There is plenty of talent on the offense, but we’ll have to see if the Utes can put it all together and score a lot of points this year. If the offense can hit its stride, then I like the team’s chances to win some games and be a contender for the conference title, BYU will be a nice first game test. We’ll see early if the offense can work out the kinks and get it going early.

  • Aggies#1 MURRAY, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:52 a.m.

    Same talk, different year but at the end of the day it will be the USU with the highest ranking. Go Aggies!

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 11:37 p.m.

    Utah utes, the only team in the country that can take 4 star recruits and produce 2 star results.

  • Spoons lake tahoe, NV
    May 21, 2019 11:17 p.m.

    The writers of the 247 Oregon State site ranked Oregon States opponents this year. Surprised they ranked Utah as OSU most difficult opponent. Higher than Oregon, Washington, USC and Stanford. It’s amazing to me the national perception of the utes.

    Could be special, but the preseason is just speculation.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:57 p.m.

    Good luck to the Utes every game but one.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:53 p.m.

    Great news!

    BYU will get to knock off another
    Rose Bowl Champion,
    just like they did in 1983,
    to set stage for their
    1984 National Championship season.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2019 9:12 p.m.

    It s/b noted that on these threads, it’s only byu-p fans talking about a special season.

    Conversely, we U fans know it’s possible, yet make no predictions/remain cautiously optimistic.

    Go Utes!

  • top of the world ,
    May 21, 2019 8:33 p.m.

    No one will stop the Utes next season. No one will come close. The defense will be the talk of the nation after the first six games. Only injuries, lots of them, will derail this team. This will be a special season for the Utes. No one in the PAC, South or North, will threaten them...goodness gracious, they won't even slow the Utes down. I feel sorry for the offenses of the teams on their schedule. Ouch!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2019 8:04 p.m.

    Sanefan - Wellsville, UT
    May 21, 2019 6:30 p.m.

    Am I hearing clamour about an NC. When you start talking "undeafeated season," and "CFP"; that certainly is the inference.

    ——-

    Which U fans are you referencing?

    Go Utes!

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:02 p.m.

    Another preseason national championship is here. If only that November meltdown wasn't scheduled.

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 7:42 p.m.

    Not one chance on earth of the Utes being in the national playoffs. Good grief, they're the utes for heck sake.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 21, 2019 6:30 p.m.

    Am I hearing clamour about an NC. When you start talking "undeafeated season," and "CFP"; that certainly is the inference.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2019 6:30 p.m.

    “especially in the November melt down.”

    Which part of last November even remotely constituted a “meltdown”?

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 21, 2019 5:47 p.m.

    But seriously cougies!:

    Have you already purchased your airfare, car rental, and hotel travel accommodations to Tulsa in anticipation of your September meltdown? And how long will you be planning your stay? Would it be just for the month of September? Or perhaps up until starting the "midmajory" portion of the remainder of your schedule? Or might you be holing up until Utah loses our first game? And have you any plans to buy a house down there should Utah actually make it to the Rose Bowl?

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 21, 2019 5:14 p.m.

    Look Utah has the players to do it. They may have 8-10 players drafted next year. If they don’t do it this year I think it will be a looog time before it happens again. Schedule in their favor, check, players check, coaching check. Now go do it.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 21, 2019 3:56 p.m.

    Nobody is going to beat the Utes this year. They are loaded with experienced starters and a favorable schedule (no Stanford or Oregon). Until USC and UCLA clean house in the athletic offices, Utah will be the king of the hill. Utah is headed to an undefeated season until they play Clemson or Alabama in the CFP.

  • longjohn Highland, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:55 p.m.

    On paper, Utah wins the Rose Bowl and is the fourth team in the Playoffs. However, if the team reads the press clippings or if injuries happen like last year, then anything can happen. It is amazing that Utah could lose Huntley, Moss, Covey and Hansen and still play at a high level (except the second half of the Holiday Bowl, but heavy rain made that game fluky). They were Utah's most important players and all missed games at the end of the season.

    Luck is another element of football, and how that strange shaped ball bounces can sometimes cost you a game. Hopefully the stars align for the Utes, and they have their best season yet!

    It would be cool watching them have another season like 2004 and 2008, yet on a bigger national stage. Good luck, young men, and play your hearts out.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:23 p.m.

    All of the glamour is fun and all but eventually they have to actually start to play the games and then things will change, especially in the November melt down.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 3:10 p.m.

    We had a real good chance at a Rose Bowl berth last season. Utah literally threw it away on a good pass that hit the hands then off the foot of our WR to a pick 6.

    Utah 3
    Washington 10