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  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    May 24, 2019 4:44 p.m.

    BYU = Uncle Rico...living in the past.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    May 24, 2019 5:46 a.m.

    Ute fans should give up attempting to counter byu fans severe envy of the University of Utah. It isn't going to happen. Don't waste your time.

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    May 23, 2019 6:37 p.m.

    These power five schools talk about education and I would guess that is a joke. I have about lost interest in basketball and football because of the insane amount of money spent and for what?

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:17 p.m.

    @blue & white - , 00

    I love the BYU narrative of BYU bringing more revenue to the PAC12 than either Colorado or Utah.

    How? How much? What are the metrics?

    Utah has averaged approx. 3mm more viewers per season than BYU, over the last 5 yrs. And BYU has been on major networks 1 more time in those same 5 yrs.

    For yrs. Utah has outsold BYU in gear. According to the service that collects the revenue for the NCAA from the sale of team gear.

    In this last round of expansion talks with the BigXII, the media sponsor's research showed that none of the available teams moved the financial needle and hence no invitations.

    Love to hear more details around this all too popular BYU fan narrative.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 12:08 p.m.

    @phoenix - Gilbert, AZ

    You do know Utah isn't claiming a 'consensus', right?

    BYU's accomplishments in the 80's are impressive. And well done indeed.

    But.....aren't you all just a little tired of talking about something that happened a quarter of a century, PLUS another decade, ago? Lavell Edwards has passed after living a long full life in retirement, after coaching BYU.

    It's been more than a minute since BYU did anything meaningful.

    I mean BYU lost 15 games the last 2 yrs. combined.

    BYU fans are predicting a win over Utah in 2019. Why? Because you went 6-6 in the regular season last yr?

    Or was it because BYU was the consensus 1984 NCs?

    The last time the high school football recruits for 2020 saw BYU beat Utah was when they were.......8 yrs. old.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    No Playoff for byU: "Show us the hardware then:..'

    The "hardware" is the key to the P-5 kingdom. It's the gift that keeps on giving, not a dusty relic sitting on a shelf.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 22, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    ArizonaUte

    "You can google: 'official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records 2018'.

    Utah is listed with Florida for the 2008 Championship listing, page 115."

    It's interesting how you left out these little details:

    Utah is mentioned on this list:

    "Final National Poll Leaders"

    2008
    Florida: BCS, USA Today, AP, FW, NFF
    ^Utah: Anderson/Hester

    2011
    Alabama: BCS, USA Today, AP, FW, NFF
    ^Oklahoma St.: Colley

    2012
    Alabama: BCS, USA Today, AP, FW, NFF
    ^Notre Dame: Colley

    2016
    Clemson: College Football Playoff, AP, FW-NFF,
    USA Today
    +Alabama: Colley

    2017
    Alabama: College Football Playoff, AP, FW-NFF,
    USA Today
    +UCF: Colley

    But, Utah is no where to be found on this list:

    "Consensus National Champions"

    2008 Florida (AP, FW, NFF, USA)
    1984 BYU (AP, FW, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)

    The truth is,
    2008 Utah is no more a "national champion", than
    2011 Oklahoma St,
    2012 Notre Dame,
    2016 Alabama, and
    2017 UCF

    Honestly, do remember the Cowboys winning the 2011 'national championship'?

    Or Alabama beating Clemson 31-35 in the BCS championship game to win the 2016 'national championship'?

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    ArizonaUte - SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:14 a.m.
    @And so it begins... - Sandy, UT

    "You do realize that BYU is listed with Washington, Florida and Nebraska in the NCAA record book as 1984 champs, right?"

    Yes, buried in the footnotes at the back of the book, but just like the Utes in 2008, not selected national champions by any of the major selectors.

    From the NCAA's Official FBS National Champions web page

    College football championship history
    College football national champions from 1869 to 2018

    Year | Champion | Selecting Organization
    2009 | Alabama | BCS
    2008 | Florida | BCS
    2007 | Louisiana State | BCS
    1985 | Oklahoma | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 | Brigham Young | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 | Miami | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    In the official BCS Final Poll, the Coaches Poll, which Utah fans have claimed for years is the gold standard for national championship designation,

    Utah has never finished higher than FOURTH.

    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

    The truth is Utah's 2008 natty is just as laughable and unrecognized nationally as Missouri's 2007 natty.

  • blue & white , 00
    May 22, 2019 9:41 a.m.

    Just think if the PAC 10 would have stayed with 10 teams like the big 12 each team would have gotten $37.6 million this year. Utah and Colorado doesn’t do much for the conference. The addition of BYU over Colorado or Utah would have increased revenue for the conference. Especially attendance at all conference games and the PAC 12 football championship which was poorly attended last season by Utah and Washington. BYU has superior facilities with higher capacity compared to the Utes. The Utes this year had to use the Y’s baseball field for one game because their field was in poor shape. The Y dominates the U in Olympic sports and basketball. Starting this football season the Y beats the Utes to begin a football winning trend. Go Cougs !

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 22, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    @And so it begins... - Sandy, UT

    You do realize that BYU is listed with Washington, Florida and Nebraska in the NCAA record book as 1984 champs, right?

    So much for the consensus or being unanimous.

    While the NCAA has never officially endorsed a championship team, it has documented the choices of some "selectors" in its official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records publication.

    You can google: 'official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records 2018'.

    Utah is listed with Florida for the 2008 Championship listing, page 115.

    BYU is listed with Washington, Florida and Nebraska for the 1984 Championship listing, page 114.

    I guess you could say Utah has 50% of 2008, while BYU has 25% of 1984?

    I am joking about that.

    But.......Happy reading if you actually look it up. It's super easy, since it's published by the NCAA as the official record book.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 22, 2019 5:24 a.m.

    “So BYU opened the 1984 season on the road beating the then #3 ranked Pittsburgh team that was Consensus National Champion eight seasons earlier. BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road. And BYU finished the season on a 24-game winning streak beating a Michigan team that had been ranked in the Top 10 earlier in the season and finished #2 the following season.”

    Pitt finished 3-7-1.

    There was no #24 in the rankings back then, only a top 20.

    Michigan was a .500 team.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 11:42 p.m.

    @Gandalph-the-Coog

    BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road. And BYU finished the season on a 24-game winning streak beating a Michigan team that had been ranked in the Top 10 earlier in the season and finished #2 the following season.

    -----

    And BYU got punked by 1-10 UTEP the "following season".

    24 game win streak, with 22 cupcakes!

    1984 BYU != 2018 UCF (25 win streak)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 11:31 p.m.

    Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:12 p.m.
    utemythology

    “Which of them, if any, were ranked #1 in AP and #1 in Coaches and in what year?”

    -----------------

    Pitt 1976 (AP and UPI)
    Minnesota 1960
    Maryland 1953

    So BYU opened the 1984 season on the road beating the then #3 ranked Pittsburgh team that was Consensus National Champion eight seasons earlier.

    -----

    No, BYU beat a 1984 Pit team that was 3-9.

    The 1976 Pit had ZERO to do with the weak team you beat.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:12 p.m.

    utemythology

    “Which of them, if any, were ranked #1 in AP and #1 in Coaches and in what year?”

    -----------------

    Pitt 1976 (AP and UPI)
    Minnesota 1960
    Maryland 1953

    So BYU opened the 1984 season on the road beating the then #3 ranked Pittsburgh team that was Consensus National Champion eight seasons earlier. BYU beat #24 Air Force on the road. And BYU finished the season on a 24-game winning streak beating a Michigan team that had been ranked in the Top 10 earlier in the season and finished #2 the following season.

  • And so it begins... Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:03 p.m.

    Ute fans are too funny for words.

    After decades of lecturing us about how much more legitimate BCS championships are because of the higher standards used to select the two BCS championship game teams,

    Ute fans immediately abandon all of those supposed higher BCS standards in favor of finishing first in a minor poll that NOBODY on the hill even cared about until somebody digging through the archives a decade after the fact noticed that a team that didn’t win the BCS championship had finished first in an obscure poll.

    1984 BYU has always been recognized by the NCAA and every major selecting organization of the day as
    THE Consensus National Champion.

    1983 Miami = 1984 BYU = 1985 Oklahoma

    2007 Missouri = 2008 Utah = 2017 UCF

  • top of the world ,
    May 21, 2019 8:43 p.m.

    ArizonaUte...you used the word 'fans' in reference to BYU. As stated, that's all-inclusive. Therefore, with respect, I say you are dead wrong. I am a Y fan. I am not jealous of the Utes being in the PAC. I wish we were in a large conference, but jealous...uh uh! Envious, probably a bit because being in the PAC is something that would make my day, week, month, year, life...as far as sports are concerned. We won't be invited because of Sunday play problems. You could spin that any way you wish, but that is the reason. Good on Utah for getting an invite. The Utes are living up to expectations in several areas, most importantly, research.

    You will note over the months and years that when I speak of Utes who obviously have a strong dislike for the Y, I always mention that, relative to the total numbers, there are few of them. Look at the comments on these threads. What, perhaps ten or twelve, such as yourself, who sing the same refrain over and over? That's not so many. I speak with many Ute fans who are gracious in victory and really have a sense of what it's all about.

    I liked this article. It is just one more indication that being in a conference is big-time best.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 5:26 p.m.

    Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:28 p.m.
    Arizona Ute

    Tell me if you think of these teams as tremendous programs. How do you consider them today:

    Colorado
    Pitt
    Army
    TCU
    Minnesota

    Just to name 5. These are programs who are also on that exclusive list. TCU and Army are on it twice. Colorado has done it more recently than BYU.

    Which of them, if any, were ranked #1 in AP and #1 in Coaches and in what year?

    -----------------

    Pitt 1976 (AP and UPI)
    Minnesota 1960
    Maryland 1953

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 21, 2019 5:22 p.m.

    @Elkhorn - Loveland, CO

    You can absolutely view it online. It's a link on the actual NCAA site. It's there record book.

    @Gandalph - Sandy, UT

    Those are teams who have won National Championships and had Heisman winners. BTW, some those have done it more times than BYU or more recently than BYU.

    Your question is irrelevant. Nobody outside of the BYU fan base remembers or cares. They think of BYU like you think of the teams I listed. i.e., they don't.

    BTW, congrats on your b/b 11 win seasons. Sorry BYU has lost 15 games in the last 2 seasons.

    @No playoff for U - Salt Lake City, UT

    BYU is on a list, not in a club. Clubs have rights and privileges. In today's college football world
    BYU is NOT in the club. But they are on a list of teams with nice accomplishments. So, good on ya.

    @skywalker - Palo Alto, CA

    BYU fans are over the top jealous of Utah being in a P5 conf. when BYU hasn't been invited.

    BYU fans will never get over it.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 5:14 p.m.

    @Elkhorn

    1984 BYU has the same credentials (and hardware) as 1983 Miami and 1985 Oklahoma

    ----------------

    No you don't. You have the hardware but not the credentials by beating 8-5 AF.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 5:11 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2019 2:13 p.m.
    utemythology

    "Yale has 27 national championships, two Heisman, 100 consensus All-Americans, 28 College Football Hall of Fame inductees. More importantly, stadium capacity: 64,246."

    How many national championships has Yale won during the poll era (1936 to present)?

    How many national championships and other major awards did Yale win competing against 100+ major college football teams?

    ----------------

    Who cares!

    1984 BYU = 2016 Western Michigan

    Good luck against Utah State for 2nd in State.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    May 21, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    Those in Cedar City are experts at being on the outside looking in. But, at least they can take solace knowing they're in a conference. Something those in provo can't remember. 😂

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    So excited about the trajectory of the program. We have not arrived, but we are definitely trending in the right direction. Yes, BYU dominated us for a long time, but the tide has turned. We still have a long ways to go...but our ability to get into the PAC12 conference and generous donors to help with facilities has made a huge impact...and I expect it to continue. PAC12 haters forget that it only takes a couple runs by USC, Oregon, or maybe even little old Utah to get us back in the conversation. The ACC is worse than the PAC12 with the exception of Clemson. The SEC is one or two team contender conference...same with the BIG12 and BIG10. All is well...no need to engage in a post diatribe with BYU fans that live in the past.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    May 21, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "Utah is now listed in the NCAA rule book, page 115, as a National Champ for the 2008 season"

    Can you view that online, or do you have to send away for one of those who's who in American College Football books to look it up in the footnotes?

    Why isn't Utah mentioned on the official NCAA FBS College Football Championship History web page?

    College football national champions from 1869 to 2018

    Year | Champion | Selecting Organization
    2009 | Ala | BCS
    2008 | Fla | BCS
    2007 | LSU | BCS
    1985 | Okla | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 | BYU | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 | Miami | AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    1984 BYU has the same credentials (and hardware) as 1983 Miami and 1985 Oklahoma
    2008 Florida has the same credentials (and hardware) as 2007 LSU and 2009 Alabama

    What are Utah's credentials and hardware?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    "Ironic, since Utah fans are now clamoring to have their computer poll ballot box championship recognized as a real championship, even though the Utes weren't even in the discussion for a berth in BCS championship game.

    TWICE Utah finished as an also ran according to the "BCS standards", yet both times Utah fans whined incessantly about not being given a fair chance to play for the real championship."

    Trueblue, I think you're unconsciously agreeing with Lost in DC, but you're desperate to put Utah and its fans down. This is what Lost in DC said:

    "No, real championships are earned on the field of competition, not in the sportswriters’ ballot box"

    So yes, we Utah fans were clamoring to make it about the field of competition, where Utah went undefeated both years, instead of deciding it with computers and people's opinions.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:28 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    Tell me if you think of these teams as tremendous programs. How do you consider them today:

    Colorado
    Pitt
    Army
    TCU
    Minnesota

    Just to name 5. These are programs who are also on that exclusive list. TCU and Army are on it twice. Colorado has done it more recently than BYU.

    Which of them, if any, were ranked #1 in AP and #1 in Coaches and in what year?

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    Here are a couple of overlooked factoids to add to your all-time lists.

    BYU has had numerous back-to-back 11+ win seasons.
    Utah has never had back-to-back 11+ win seasons.

    BYU has never had back-to-back 10+ loss seasons.
    Utah has had back-to-back 10+ loss seasons.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    May 21, 2019 3:10 p.m.

    $31.3 million is a nice chunk of change.

    The Utes can use some of it to bronze their SOS trophies.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 3:04 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "Um, the facts are, Utah is in the club."

    Show us the hardware then:
    - National Championship Trophies - Waterford Crystal Football with an Ebony Base
    - Heisman Trophies - Universally recognized brass stiff-armed football player

    In case you're having trouble recognizing them, check BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame

    Try not to confuse them with your make believe SOS trophies.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 2:59 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "Utah and BYU have the same exact number of top 10 finishes in history"

    A nice cherry-picked stat, if you're a Utah fan, but on closer inspection:

    BYU/Utah AP Football Poll Summary
    Weeks... All-Final
    ...at #1... 4-1 / 0-0
    ...in Top 5... 17-2 / 9-2
    ...in Top 10... 58-3 / 28-2
    ...in Top 25... 244-17 / 121-8

    BYU Ranked in 21% of 1151 polls
    Utah Ranked in 11% of 1151 polls

    Seasons Ranked at least Once during the Season
    BYU 28
    Utah 13

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "Utah has won more football games than BYU in history"

    Just as one would expect when your schedule is filled with teams like

    YMCA, Salt Lake High, Crescents, LDS College, Carlisle Indian School,
    Westminster College, Diamond Butchers, 9th Cavalry, All Hallows,
    Ogden High, Fort Douglas, Hawaii Nat'l Guard, 12th Infantry,
    Oregon Short Line, and...

    Utah Alumni

    Yes, the Utes are so desperate to pad their record that they even count an 11-7 win against former Ute players as a "win"

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 21, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    @Swoop - Salt Lake City, UT

    "Utah fans frantically press their noses against the window desperately wishing that the Utes could be part of the club."

    Um, the facts are, Utah is in the club. The actual club. The club that is going forward. The club that is making the $$, has access to the best bowls, etc.

    Utah is in the brick and mortar building that is the club.

    BYU is in the tree house club in the back yard of the real building where the real club is.

    BYU has literally zero access to meaningful post season football. Zero. As an independent.

    BYU has some nice accomplishments in history but they are looking through the windows at the party that's in the house.

    BYU plays exhibition football games now. There is no conference. There is no championships, there are no bowl tie-ins. There are rarely meaningful games in Nov. or Dec. period.

    Have you considered that BYU could go undefeated and still not make a NY6 game? Let alone a CFP bid. A CFP bid is literally not available to BYU as an independent. Don't let Notre Dame's situation and the fact that they made it last yr. make you think otherwise.

    Completely different situations.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    May 21, 2019 2:32 p.m.

    lost in DC

    "No, real championships are earned on the field of competition, not in the sportswriters’ ballot box"

    Ironic, since Utah fans are now clamoring to have their computer poll ballot box championship recognized as a real championship, even though the Utes weren't even in the discussion for a berth in BCS championship game.

    TWICE Utah finished as an also ran according to the "BCS standards", yet both times Utah fans whined incessantly about not being given a fair chance to play for the real championship.

    Here's the only standard that really matters during the Poll Era (1936 to present):

    Being ranked #1 in AP and/or #1 in Coaches, preferably, like BYU, #1 in both.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    lost in DC

    "I’d consider 2 BCS bowl trophies major awards."

    National Championship winners consider those runner-up awards.

    That's exactly how Utah caught Alabama napping in the Sugar Bowl.

    The Crimson Tide had their eyes on the big prize, the BCS national championship game, and were bitterly disappointed to be stuck playing the mid-major Utes in an also ran bowl.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    FT

    "What club?"

    As already posted by Everything is Awesome:

    In major college football,

    there are haves, which have National Championship and Heisman Trophies,

    and have nots, which can only dream of achieving what the haves have already achieved.

    BYU = a have
    Utah = a have not

    BYU is already in the club.

    Utah fans frantically press their noses against the window desperately wishing that the Utes could be part of the club.

    Unfortunately for Utah, membership in this club has to be earned in the eyes of the selectors who certify the required achievements through the hardware they award.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2019 2:13 p.m.

    utemythology

    "Yale has 27 national championships, two Heisman, 100 consensus All-Americans, 28 College Football Hall of Fame inductees. More importantly, stadium capacity: 64,246."

    How many national championships has Yale won during the poll era (1936 to present)?

    How many national championships and other major awards did Yale win competing against 100+ major college football teams?

    btw,
    renovations have reduced capacity of the Yale Bowl to 61,446
    seating capacity of LaVell Edwards Stadium is 63,470

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 21, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    @Road Runner
    What club? There are no clubs except those that live fictitiously in the minds of fans. Every year a team competes to win their conference and championships. The Utes and their fans are quite content about their prospects of those every year. We don't see how playing BYU helps in winning either of those two things.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 21, 2019 2:00 p.m.

    Arizona Ute

    Nice long list of meaningless stats; show us the hardware!

    "You can call Utes jealous but don't pretend BYU fans aren't jealous of undefeated seasons"

    yawn, BYU fans are supposed to be jealous of this?

    1928 Utah (5-0-2)
    at Nev 32-7
    CSU 6-0
    at Col 25-6
    Col College 27-21
    at Creighton 7-7
    BYU 0-0
    USU 20-0

    Utah was literally SHUT OUT by BYU in one of your undefeated seasons.

    Most of Utah's "undefeated" teams weren't even good enough to get a bowl bid and NONE of Utah's "undefeated" teams finished #1 in AP or Coaches

    BYU's 1996 ONE loss, 14-1 season,

    was MUCH more impressive

    than Utah's 2004 undefeated season.

    14 win seasons
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    13 win seasons
    BYU 2 > Utah 1

    12 win seasons
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11 win seasons
    BYU 11 > Utah 2

    10 win seasons
    BYU 16 > Utah 7

    9 win seasons
    BYU 24 > Utah 13

    Ranked and Conference Championship seasons
    BYU 14 > Utah 3

    -----------------

    Good news, there is one category in which Utah exceeds BYU

    10 LOSS seasons
    BYU 1 < Utah 2

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 21, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    Teams listed in bold reflect the NCAA's designation as "Consensus National Champions" by virtue of their selection from 1950 onward by one or more selectors from Associated Press, United Press/UPI, Football Writers Association of America, National Football Foundation / College Football Hall of Fame, and USA Today.

    see BYU 1984

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 21, 2019 1:37 p.m.

    Sooner Ute

    NCAA-recognized National Championships...
    BYU 1
    Utah LOL

    It's absolutely hysterical how Utah fans who trumpeted the BCS as the only legitimate path to a National Championship,

    are now desperately trying to claim that finishing #1 in obscure polls run out of someone's basement

    A&H - Anderson & Hester - 1997–present
    MGR - Matthews Grid Ratings - 1966–1972, 1974–2006
    W - Wolfe -2001–present

    is equivalent to finishing #1 in

    AP - Associated Press -1936–present
    Coaches - American Football Coaches Association - 1922–present
    BCS - Bowl Championships Series - 1998–2013
    FWAA - Football Writers Association of America1954–2013
    NFF - National Football Foundation1959–1990, 1997–2013

    Here's a clue:

    Poll era national championships by school (1936–present)
    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    BCS National Championships by school (1998–2013)
    BYU - 0
    Utah - 0

    College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions (1869–2015)
    BYU - 1
    Utah - 0

    Yearly national championship selections from major selectors is a total joke; as many as SIX national champions are listed in some years:

    2007 Missouri
    2008 Utah
    2017 UCF

    are listed on that list.

    - continued -

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 21, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    The board is lousy with jealousy from byuP fans

    byuP fans
    3,461 days and counting. 53-33-4. IF you somehow win the next 20 straight games, then come and talk to us about who can hang what hat where.

    Fashion Police, Rockwell, everything is awesome
    No, real championships are earned on the field of competition, not in the sportswriters’ ballot box

    Everything is awesome – too bad you’ve been kicked out of the club. No, it’s not really too bad.

    ArizonaUte
    No, Max’s was a little brother move.

    Lone*star
    Never won a major award? I don’t know – I’d consider 2 BCS bowl trophies major awards. And if you go beyond football, Utah has plenty of NCAA championships

    SoonerUte
    Don’t burst their bubble with fact.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 1:17 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2019 11:21 a.m.
    Bobby Peru: “Utah is already part of the club that counts...”

    FACTchequer: "Really? Show us the hardware!"

    -----------------

    Yale has 27 national championships, two Heisman, 100 consensus All-Americans, 28 College Football Hall of Fame inductees. More importantly, stadium capacity: 64,246.

    Clearly Yale is a MUCH better program than Utah.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 21, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    @phoenix - Gilbert, AZ

    Another fun list:

    Utah has won more football games than BYU in history
    Utah has a better win % than BYU in history
    Utah has won more bowl games in history and beat the highest ranked bowl opponent either team has faced to date
    Utah has more conference championships than BYU, in history
    Utah has gone undefeated more times than BYU in history
    Utah has gone to 2 BCS/NY6 bowl games, was the 1st non-AQ to do it, and the 1st to do it 2X
    Utah and BYU have the same exact number of top 10 finishes in history
    Utah is now listed in the NCAA rule book, page 115, as a National Champ for the 2008 season (Ute fans did not petition the NCAA to do that. They chose to themselves)
    Utah has had more players drafted to the NFL, than BYU, in history.
    Utah has a 27 game advantage in the rivalry, winning basically 66% of all rivalry games.

    Put that into perspective:

    If BYU beat Utah for the next 27 yrs straight, they would then ONLY BE TIED, in rivalry wins.

    And I could go on.......

    You can call Utes jealous but don't pretend BYU fans aren't jealous of undefeated seasons, BCS games, P5 invites, post season access, etc.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    Sooner Ute

    NCAA-recognized National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 1

    bwahaha!

    Legitimate National Championships as recognized by the major polls:

    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Remind us where Utah finished in the AP and Coaches polls.

    The fact that you're actually trying claim that finishing #1 in a Seattle Newspaper poll is a legitimate natty simply proves how desperate U are.

    Bottom line:

    Show us the hardware!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    JapanCougar - Layton, UT
    May 21, 2019 11:08 a.m.
    re Arizona Ute:

    According to your post, you value:
    End of season AP ranking
    Membership in one of the P5 conferences
    Ranking in the new CFP poll
    Number of players drafted
    Recruiting rankings
    BCS/NY6 bowl games

    Fashion Police (and many BYU fans) value:
    A Consensus National Championship
    A Heisman Trophy
    Other accomplishments unlisted in either of your posts.

    ----------------

    Yes Utah values being a Top 25 P5 program.

    And we all agree BYU values being 3rd in State.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 21, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    @Rockwell - Baltimore, MD

    Tell me if you think of these teams as tremendous programs. How do you consider them today:

    Colorado
    Pitt
    Army
    TCU
    Minnesota

    Just to name 5. These are programs who are also on that exclusive list. TCU and Army are on it twice. Colorado has done it more recently than BYU.

    When you hear those teams names today, you don't think of them as being on any exclusive list?

    Nope, you likely think of them as bottom dwellers of their respective conferences and Army just isn't very good these days as an indy.

    Being on that list does literally nothing, as to how you view them today.

    It's the same for BYU with everyone outside of your fan base.

    You literally have to remind people of the list BYU is on, something BYU fans are very good at (it's constant). But it's not top of mind for anyone outside of your fan base.

    They are nice accomplishments. But at this point you should leave the trophy's on the shelf. It's been a really long time. And there is literally no path back as an independent.

    Site: 15 losses in the past 2 seasons alone. Recent rankings, CFP ranking ever, wins v. your rival, NFL draft picks, etc.

    But congrats on the list.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    Rockwell - Baltimore, MD
    May 21, 2019 9:18 a.m.
    Arizona Ute

    "And what exactly have those two accomplishments done for BYU?"

    They've added BYU to a very exclusive list of major college football programs that have won both a Consensus National Championship and a Heisman Trophy - THE most prestigious and coveted team and individual awards in major college football.

    --------------

    Like Yale, Princeton, Navy.

    Ironically, they are also on the non-exclusive list of MINOR college football programs that have no BCS and CFP resumes.

    Enjoy being 3rd in State.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 12:23 p.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ "It's always fun to post this"
    It is fun, because it shows how far the Cougars have fallen.
    "Fun" might be the wrong word. "Sad" how far the Cougars have fallen.

    Your copy and paste needs to be updated. Let me fix that for you.

    NCAA-recognized National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 1

    It is in the NCAA record books and on Wikipedia, so it must be true...

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 21, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    the fake deal

    It's always fun to post this when Ute fans start getting uppity about how great the Utes have become:

    National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    National HOF Players
    BYU 6 > Utah 0

    Davey O'Brien (Best QB)
    BYU 4 > Utah 0

    Sammy Baugh (Best Passer)
    BYU 7 > Utah 0

    Doak Walker (Best RB)
    BYU 1 > Utah 0

    Outland (Best Interior Lineman)
    BYU 2 > Utah 0

    AP Top 25
    BYU 17 > Utah 8

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11 > Utah 2

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 16 > Utah 7

    9+ Win Seasons
    BYU 24 > Utah 13

    AP Ranked Conference Champions
    BYU 14 > Utah 3

    During the peak of Utah's football success, BYU dominated U (2006 to 2009)

    AP Top 25
    BYU 4 > Utah 2

    11+ Win, Top 15 Seasons
    BYU 3 > Utah 1

    MWC Championships
    BYU 2 > Utah 1

    Head-to-head
    BYU 3 > Utah 1

    Utah fans love their hyperbole, but actual stats DESTROY their myths.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    It is painfully obvious from reading all the pro-byu posters here how much byu's current situation spanning the past 10 years compared to Utah's is killing them. Utah passed byu about 25 years ago in reality. Just reference the win-loss record in that span.

    while byu was the top dog for most of the 70's and 80's Utah took over in the mid 90's and has never looked back.

    byu is only remembered as what used to be a really good mid-major. That's it.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    FT

    "I've said it many times, stop playing the game."

    How would that help U become part of the club?

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    May 21, 2019 11:21 a.m.

    Bobby Peru: “Utah is already part of the club that counts...”

    FACTchequer: "Really? Show us the hardware!"

    You mean that closet full of make believe SOS trophies?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    May 21, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    re: "membership in this club has to be earned in the eyes of the selectors who certify the required achievements through the hardware they award"

    "That explains why BYU hasn't won another of those awards is 30 years."

    What it really explains is why Utah has NEVER won any major award in 125 years.

  • JapanCougar Layton, UT
    May 21, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    re Arizona Ute:

    According to your post, you value:
    End of season AP ranking
    Membership in one of the P5 conferences
    Ranking in the new CFP poll
    Number of players drafted
    Recruiting rankings
    BCS/NY6 bowl games

    Fashion Police (and many BYU fans) value:
    A Consensus National Championship
    A Heisman Trophy
    Other accomplishments unlisted in either of your posts.

    I guess we'll have to consult a disinterested 3rd party to see which of these accomplishments they would rather have their program receive. There are many teams like Boise State, Memphis, and Central Florida who have similar achievements to Utah. Perhaps they're happier to be in that first group than in the second.

    I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder on this one.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 21, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    Wow. A lot of bantering between Red & Blue. I've said it many times, stop playing the game. Ute fans would certainly be fine with that. And it appears, BYU fans feel the school can schedule a more viable foe. Good luck with that.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    Bobby Peru

    “Utah is already part of the club that counts...”

    Really?

    Show us the hardware!

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    Utah fans are all about money and that’s what the Utes have.

    BYU fans are all about actual achievements and that’s what the Cougars have.

    Utah has a football palace and soon to be added luxury seating in RES.

    BYU has a legacy hall of fame and very functional athletic facilities.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:39 a.m.

    "membership in this club has to be earned in the eyes of the selectors who certify the required achievements through the hardware they award"
    That explains why BYU hasn't won another of those awards is 30 years.

    "You want to be in this club" sounds like a great MLM pitch, but Ute fans are happy with where they are. Trade their spot to be floundering in independence and coveting some dusty old trophies? No thanks. Yet every Cougar fan would gladly trade away ancient accolades for a spot in a P5 conference. A Heisman in the cabinet can't mean that much -- look how quickly you kicked the winner to the curb.

  • Bobby Peru Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 10:15 a.m.

    Everything is awesome: "Utah fans frantically press their noses against the window desperately wishing that the Utes could be part of the club."

    Oh, Utah is already part of the club that counts, and keeps on counting; not a memory of our grandfathers. Unfortunately for you, that's a window that you'll probably never be able to penetrate.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    Both programs covet what the other program already possesses.

    It'll be interesting to see which program's unfulfilled dreams is achieved first.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    RedRockUte

    Here's the deal.

    As Everything is Awesome said:

    If Utah were so great, Utah fans wouldn't be frantically pressing their noses against the window desperately wishing that the Utes could be part of the club.

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    May 21, 2019 9:51 a.m.

    Everything is Awesone said:

    "BYU = a have
    Utah = a have not"

    Must be why the Big 12 and Pac-12 broke down the door in a rush to sign BYU, eh? Here's the deal. If BYU was such a great catch, they would have already been caught. :-)

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    May 21, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    Given the chance, I'm sure Utah would gladly spend every penny of that $31.3 million to own a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 21, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    everything is awesome, Rockwell

    It's fun to stir the pot and then sit back and watch the crimson bubble implode.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    In major college football,

    there are haves, which have National Championship and Heisman Trophies,

    and have nots, which can only dream of achieving what the haves have already achieved.

    BYU = a have
    Utah = a have not

    BYU is already in the club.

    Utah fans frantically press their noses against the window desperately wishing that the Utes could be part of the club.

    Unfortunately for Utah, membership in this club has to be earned in the eyes of the selectors who certify the required achievements through the hardware they award.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 21, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    Arizona Ute

    "And what exactly have those two accomplishments done for BYU?"

    They've added BYU to a very exclusive list of major college football programs that have won both a Consensus National Championship and a Heisman Trophy - THE most prestigious and coveted team and individual awards in major college football.

    Unfortunately for U, despite your P5 coat tail dragging status, the Utes will never earn the credentials to be added to that very exclusive list.

    Utah desperately covet what BYU has already achieved.

    Enjoy your imaginary SOS trophies.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    May 21, 2019 9:17 a.m.

    @Mustard-Stains-Are-Fashionable

    Thanks for reading and commenting, we thank you for your interest.
    Just change your screen name and buy some red shirts, we would gladly welcome you aboard.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    May 21, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    College football is clearly a corporate enterprise.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 21, 2019 9:00 a.m.

    @Fashion Police - Olympus Cove, Utah

    "$31.3 million still won’t buy Utah a Consensus National Championship or a Heisman Trophy."

    And what exactly have those two accomplishments done for BYU? They certainly haven't gotten you invited to a P5 conference. Or helped you finish a season ranked in the AP in the last decade.

    They haven't ever gotten you ranked in the new CFP Poll.

    BYU has had a whopping 8 players drafted to the NFL in the last 10 seasons. So, they haven't helped with that.

    They haven't helped with recruiting rankings.

    Have they every gotten you to a BCS or NY6 bowl?

    Just curious what they have gotten you? Honest question.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    @Max-was-right - Mapleton, UT

    Is it lost on you that you were the very 1st person to respond to this article? Is that a big brother move?

  • rfrmac South Jordan, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    I would imagine that it's tough having your bowl game as the first game of the year. Maybe the State Legislators can start investigating that too.

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    Hopefully these levels of funding will allow the U to reduce the athletics budgets and put those monies back into education.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:17 a.m.

    Maybe Utah could give a little something back to the fans by reducing ticket prices.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 21, 2019 8:17 a.m.

    "All that money and the u still won’t leave the Y behind."

    Says the BYU-P-loving *first commenter* on an article that has zero to do with BYU-P. Delicious.

    I get why you're upset. There are lots of facts in this article that will be very inconvenient for BYU-P fans. But I'm sure after you regroup, you'll find ways to argue against these incontrovertible facts...you guys tend to be good at that.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 21, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    ekute

    "Utah Football continues to grow...and it scares you, doesn't it?"

    Don't kid yourself. Your wannabe program that has never accomplished anything of significance doesn't scare anybody.

    ----------

    Guido Pescatore

    @Fashion - at least your grandpa's generation gave you those things to hang your hat on.

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NOTHING to hang their hat on.

  • Forty Six & 2 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    Fashion Security Guard...aka ‘Lost in the dark’ and ‘Just the Faux’

    And that whopping 4-6 million your cougs earn per year won’t buy you into a Conference. Enjoy those amazing accomplishments that happened during the VHS era. Or was it reel to reel?

  • Laxman Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2019 8:06 a.m.

    @Max - How soon you forgot. The last time we tried to leave you in our dust, the Utah State Legislators came to your rescue. All of us on the hill would like to leave you behind permanently. We don’t need you like your schedules need the U.

  • goaggies1 , 00
    May 21, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    Now Utah can afford a Pac quarterback and reciever with Pac 12 cheese.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 21, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    Fashion Police,
    Utah Football continues to grow...and it scares you, doesn't it?

  • Guido Pescatore Layton, UT
    May 21, 2019 7:37 a.m.

    @Fashion - at least your grandpa's generation gave you those things to hang your hat on.

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2019 6:20 a.m.

    $31.3 million still won’t buy Utah a Consensus National Championship or a Heisman Trophy.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    May 21, 2019 5:37 a.m.

    Nice amount of money. How much did the Utah state government have to contribute for last year to help fund all collegiate sports in the state though? The last published number I saw, from about years ago was almost $60 million.

    When all sports are taken into account, and all state colleges, the deficit is huge and the money would be much better spent elsewhere. How about we reduce the cost of tuition with that money, which when added to eliminating all student 'fee' associated with funding sports on campus, would be a serious reduction in costs. How about we use that money to provide some housing for the homeless? Or use it on K-12 education?

    Why do we spend so much money on a select few that play sports? All while our teachers struggle, while we have so many homeless, while students are accumulating so much debt to get an education?

    The answer is simple, so a select few can sit at home and watch games on their TV. And by 'select few' I am pointing directly at the House and Senate of Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2019 12:06 a.m.

    SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2019 9:53 p.m.
    It's good money, and one shouldn't complain, but... compared to other conferences? Wow. The Larry Scott plan is weak.

    -----

    The P12 network are underperformed original projections, around $2M per school compared to $5-7M mid-range projections.

    Still at 4th, our payout is about $4M behind B12 and $3M ahead of ACC.

    So is having full media rights worth $4M per team? We'll find out next round of TV negotiations.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2019 9:53 p.m.

    It's good money, and one shouldn't complain, but... compared to other conferences? Wow. The Larry Scott plan is weak.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 20, 2019 9:34 p.m.

    Max-was-right
    “All that money and the u still won’t leave the Y behind. Always little brother no matter how much cash they have. That is funny.”
    ———
    The say-it-ten-times morning and night positive affirmation for all cougar fans.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    May 20, 2019 8:09 p.m.

    All that money and the u still won’t leave the Y behind. Always little brother no matter how much cash they have. That is funny.