And back to the ambiguous statement. How much and when?
Let's be clear. She is not "one of our own". She is not a
"member" of the Church. She is not merely "inactive".She absolutely and publically apostatized from the Church, resigning her
membership, canceling her status and "blessings", renouncing its
teachings and its "truths", and outwardly expressed a form of
atheism.She is a great example of an intelligent, compassionate,
thoughtful, strong leader who has my respect and admiration for her political,
social, as well as religious views.
NoNamesAccepted - "I think President Nelson sets a great example pf civility
in finding areas of commonality and agreement. Rather than harping on areas of
disagreement, he graciously focuses on areas of shared goodness...Those who would use Pres. Nelson's words as a cudgel against their
opponents should instead use his words as a mirror into their own conduct and
words. Try finding something nice to say about those whose views differ from
your own."Indeed, what a complete turn around it would be if you
practiced what you just preached.
@KamUte “This woman is not a great leader in NZ and not well
liked. Pushing socialism in NZ.” Next time get your facts
right. I have a lot of friends from NZ who believe that she is the greatest
world leader. You can’t just assume that people in her home country
don’t like her because that’s completely opposite. She’s doing
what is best for her great country.
Christianity is the most persecuted faith in the world. When will the church
donate to one of the several places in the world where a genocide against
Christians is taking place?
Maybe, after meeting the Prophet, she'll read the Book of Mormon, repent,
get married, come back to Church and give her countrymen back their semi-auto
rifles so they can defend themselves from the Chinese when they decide to
"expand" their borders beyond just making islands in the Sea of Japan.
@Kug"More than a bit concerning that the leader of the LDS church
would cite as a 'great leader the world needs more of' to be one who
has left the church, supports gay marriage, would be against the 2nd Amendment
if she lived here and stands for just about anything LDS people
don't?"Well our nations' leader sure doesn't
represent pretty much anything LDS people do, that's why this state put in
a strong showing for a third party candidate while 3rd party support was pretty
@Reasonable Mormon. It's a very salient point - she's a former
mormon. He presented her with a Book of Mormon - like she doesn't know what
it is? Nelson is there to evangelize - ostensibly to build up the kingdom and
spread the word. She's a member of Nelson's church. It's THE
relevant fact of the story. She's not just any other world leader . . .
she's the only head of state that is/was Mormon. Her uncle is apparently a
GA. She's one of our own (Mormon). It's not gossipy. It's
What a nice gesture by President Nelson. That's what a follower of Christ
would (and should) do, and I commend him for it. It's too bad
that some can't seem to recognize a good deed without airing their own
grievances and political biases.
"She took assault rifles off the streets after the mosque shooting. If
that's socialism, sign me up for more socialism!"I wonder
if Venezuelans would agree with you. After all, both gun control and socialism
have worked out so...well, we've seen the result of that, haven't we?
@Rockyrd - Gilbert, AZMay 20, 2019 4:10 p.m."Those who criticize
Prime Minister Arden can only view a "great leader" as being one who
conforms to their own political beliefs. There are a variety of political
systems in the world. If New Zealand's works for that country, more power
to them. It doesn't mean it could or should work here. Great leaders can
and do come from different political systems. Also, because Arden has renounced
her membership in the Church doesn't mean she is unable to be a fine
leader."Well said and well put.
@Sandyterry, Yeah, felt like he was perhaps overly gracious to a
woman who is an opponent to much of what the church stands for. Don’t get
me wrong he should be gracious, respectful and complimentary, but it’s a
fine line. That line gets thinner for me because I find it rather scary how
quickly this women banned all semi-automatic weapons in a country where violence
is quite rare. That’s nothing to say about the freedom of speech relating
to the shooters manifesto. I suppose the NZ laws are partly to blame, but a
rash reaction says to me that this is either an unwise person or a politician
vying for power. I feel our freedoms are sacred. Painted in the
best light, this woman sacrificed freedoms for a very marginal gain in safety
(assuming it actually accomplished that) that’s not what I would call a
I think President Nelson sets a great example pf civility in finding areas of
commonality and agreement. Rather than harping on areas of disagreement, he
graciously focuses on areas of shared goodness. This does not diminish his
conviction in his own beliefs at all.Those who would use Pres.
Nelson's words as a cudgel against their opponents should instead use his
words as a mirror into their own conduct and words. Try finding something nice
to say about those whose views differ from your own.
Those who criticize Prime Minister Arden can only view a "great leader"
as being one who conforms to their own political beliefs. There are a variety of
political systems in the world. If New Zealand's works for that country,
more power to them. It doesn't mean it could or should work here. Great
leaders can and do come from different political systems. Also, because Arden
has renounced her membership in the Church doesn't mean she is unable to be
a fine leader.
@eastcoastcoug"Are you FoxNews/Trump supporters saying you would
prefer Trump and his ideology to that of Pres. Nelson?"First of
all, I don't have Fox News Channel. (So much for Leftist Playbook
talking/mocking point #1)Secondly, I will worship God, only -- not
any man. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." "Trust not in the arm of flesh."
@I-am-I, "I hope President Nelson is just being ambassadorial."Are you talking about something Pres. Nelson said or did you believe
isn't church doctrine?
I hope President Nelson is just being ambassadorial.
@eastcoastcoug People ALWAYS choose their political beliefs over their faith.
Then they twist and pervert their faith to fit those political beliefs so they
can feel like those beliefs are somehow more than their opinion, imbued with
certainty, and the hunger to enforce those "truths" on others.
I commend Russ Nelson for trying to be nice. I wanna see the exact donation
amount to mosques in the NY Times or New Zealand newspapers.
@Bluto"Hey Timid SparrowGive it a rest.Follow
President Nelsons example."Follow President Nelson's
example? Such as not calling people names?In case reading
comprehension is eluding you, I'm defending President Nelson and the Church
Hey Timid SparrowGive it a rest.Follow President Nelsons
The slurs on Muslims in these posts relative to "Jizya" and "Sharia
Law" in general need to stop. I've been around this crazy world and
was always treated with respect because I was an American. Sure, there were
excesses and extremes in every country I went to, but that just made me prouder
to be an American because we did not indulge in those kinds of excesses and
extremes. Or so I thought. The misinformation I've read from a couple of
the posters here isn't only a mimicry of those excesses and extremes, but
decidedly un-American. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave
because we're able to overcome petty human prejudices and out of the many
make a great whole. That should include embrace of our Muslim friends. The
many I got to know as a senior leader in the FBI are proud to be Americans and
grateful to participate in the American dream. I've also been to New
Zealand and can tell you the Muslims there won't think of the church's
contribution as anything other than an offer of love from one great religion to
another. They certainly won't think us inferior. And if ISIS does, who
cares. ISIS isn't Islam.
Not every time a prophet speaks is he speaking for the Lord. I think President
Nelson was was merely being cordial when he said she was a great leader as her
views do not jive with the doctrine of Christ. She is pro abortion, a socialist,
anti-free speech, and pro-gay marriage. Yes, you can look up her
stances on all of these. New Zealand under her leadership passed a law that
makes it criminal with 14 years in jail for sharing the shooters
manifesto.....that is troubling if you want a free society. I
personally don't think any of these mentioned stances coincide with the
Doctrine of Christ and I don't think President Nelson does either; but
he's not going to call her out on these things in front of the media
either. So all who think his visit and compliment is a sign that the church is
endorsing any of the above, you are sadly mistaken.
@pakundo"By making these "Contributions", the LDS Church
is now considered inferior to Islam in the eyes of Muslims worldwide."Quick...you'd better get on the phone with the Church Office
Building right now and let them know they've made a terrible mistake! That
army of people at Church headquarters with Ph.D.s in Religious Studies clearly
does not understand what they are doing and how to advise Church leaders on how
to interact with other faiths. Their only hope is that you will show them the
error of their ways!
I have traveled to countries whose legal system (Sharia Law) is based on the
Koran. These countries make the KKK look like Boy Scouts. They justify the
torture and killing of anyone "different"- Christians, Mormons,
homosexuals, etc. President Nelson may see the donation as an act of kindness
but the post above by pakundo is correct, Muslims will see this as an act of
weakness and subservience.
It seems that some of the "conservative" people commenting on this
article are having a hard time with President Nelson being complementary to a
political figure who represents the Labour Party in New Zealand. Is there a
message here for Utah politics?
It's sad to see that some of you would rather cling to your ideas of PM
Ardern being a 'bad Socialist', for her efforts to be multicultural,
inclusive and taking action against assault rifles and extremism, etc. over what
Pres. Nelson said which is clearly supporting her as the 'Ideal
Leader'. Are you FoxNews/Trump supporters saying you would
prefer Trump and his ideology to that of Pres. Nelson? Wow. I never
thought I'd see people choose their political beliefs over their faith.
""She's courageous," he said, adding, "The world will
discover they've got a real leader here. It's an unlikely scenario, a
young mother leading a great nation, a peacemaker, a policymaker, a
consensus-builder. We're very confident she'll have a great
future.""It sounds like President Nelson is laying out the
criteria we should all be looking for when choosing leaders.
@Rockyrd:"If Islam was the evil religion some claim it to be, why
would the Chruch (sic) be donating money to help with the Mosque?"I
think most reasonable people make a bright distinction between Islam and
terrorists. I have never heard a church leader criticize Muslims as a group as
we look for common ground with all people of faith. The church donating to
Catholic charities is a good example.I think this was a great mission of
goodwill and President Nelson finds a way to reach out to all of God's
@sugarlawThe $64,000 question is WHY she left the church.But,
this is a religion reporter in the Faith section of a local newspaper. It only
looks like real news. It is coverage of a church leader making a state visit. We
ought not read into this anything more.The church has no business
meddling in US policy regarding social media and free expression. Nor do they
have a part in Islamic affairs. They are free to opine on both issues, and do so
as globalists, but not Americans.Why are people getting worked up
over a photo-op?
Well done for the Church to donate to the mosques. I would also love
to see the Church donate to the dozens of Christian Churches in France that have
been burned, vandalized, and destroyed, as well as the Christian Churches in
Africa that have also been burned, vandalized, firebombed, and destroyed, as
well as their members killed.
@sugarlaw, Shaming a seasoned veteran reporter for being...professional and not
leading with the gossipy bit? Hmmmm. You might consider that what you think
should be front and center is just not the most interesting part of the story.
Hardly even the point, really. So perhaps it found its very tangential
contextual mention at exactly the right place. It wouldn't have been even a
big deal had Tad left this factoid out entirely. It's just so completely
not the point of the meeting.
If Islam was the evil religion some claim it to be, why would the Chruch be
donating money to help with the Mosque?
Gee Tad, took you long enough to casually mention that she's no longer a
practicing Mormon. Almost like you wanted to hide this fact.
@KamUte"This woman is not a great leader in NZ and not well
liked. Pushing socialism in NZ."Haha nice try.Newshub headline April 15, 2019: "Poll reveals Jacinda Ardern is more
popular than ever"As far as "pushing socialism" goes, I
assume you're referring to the part where she took assault rifles off the
streets after the mosque shooting. If that's socialism, sign me up for more
President Nelson is amazing. What man twenty years his younger can keep up this
I agree that Jacinda Arden seems to be a great leader. Congratulations to her
in acting so quickly to pass a ban on assault weapons following the tragedy at
those Mosques. I also think it is great that the church is reaching out and
offering assistance and support to the muslim community. I'm not sure if
the church offered any type of statement following those shootings, I may have
missed it, but I didn't see anything and I was disappointed that they did
not. Maybe they are making up for it now with this tangible action. Good for
them. Muslim's and Mormons have much in common, they both do much good and
stand for virtuous principles, and it would be well for us to understand that as
it would be well for all of us to appreciate the diversity of this world and
learn to love one another and live in peace.
This woman is not a great leader in NZ and not well liked. Pushing socialism in
Maybe one day Sister Ardern will find her way back to the flock.
Thanks Tad. Wonderful article 🙌
Jacinda Arden is a world class leader and I believe that it was fitting for
President Nelson to meet with the Prime Minister. Also kudos to the Church for
helping out with the Mosques that were damaged in that horrific shooting. I am
not sure though why President Nelson would give the Prime Minister a Book of
Mormon as she is already quite familiar with that book. Prime Minister Arden
who is now agnostic, renounced the LDS church in her twenties over the
Church's position on gays.