The right is so amazingly confused on these subjects, first they dont want sex
ed in the classroom nor do they want contraceptives and they sure as heck don
want to pay for government assistance yet they want these fetuses born....
It seems that Mitt's thinking is in line with what the LDS Church teaches.
i would think most people in Utah would be in agreement with him.
I am always amazed how many comments complain about Mitt answering questions
that are asked of him by the media! The comments seem to think that Mitt is
going around, trying to get reporters publish his thoughts so that he can be
heard, or so that he can be preparing to run for president, or some other
personal reason.Get real; reporters ask him questions, and he
answers them! The original reporters then publish his answers, and other
reporters also publish his answers. (The reporters have a job to generate
content!)Just because you don't like his answers, you
shouldn't blame him for answering.
Here is something conservatives will never admit:Abortions took
place before January 22, 1973. Often illegally and dangerously. If
Roe v. Wade is overturned, abortions will still take place. Often illegally and
For anyone who voted for Mitt and re now confused and don't know what they
voted for?Mike Lee ........up here!Jimmy CarterBarack ObamaJohn McCain........Down here!Mitt is down here!
well mr romney is a democrat so telling other people far away how to live there
lives is right up his alley.
Den Den - you do realize that Mitt's opinion on this is the same as Trumps?
Do you hold the same opinion of the President too? I guess
haters gotta hate..... the conservative party is eating itself from the inside.
Dem's as well... but I don't care about them.
dmcvey - Los Angeles, CA---That supposedly "small
government" conservatives are so anxious to pass laws taking away
women's bodily autonomy would be funny if it wasn't so horrifying.---The GOP, including the so called 'libertarian' wing,
has never been for 'small government'. Whether it was call for a
nation wide ban on alcohol for common consumption, 'gay' marriage ban,
or in the present case, ban on women's choices, all have required big
government to effect these bans.
An astuteness for the obvious.😀
Alabama Law--a different approach. Roe v. Wade allows reasonable
access to abortions to the point of fetus viability outside the womb. The
Alabama Law is founded on a different principle altogether--that life begins at
conception. The Alabama law bestows "personhood" on the unborn.
To abort a fetus, which they say is an unborn child, robs that child of its
rights as a person. That is why there is no rape or incest exception; it
invalidates the premise on which the law is based--that the fetus is a person
with rights. The Alabama law assumes the only unwanted pregnancy, other than
when the mother's health is in peril, will end in adoption.
An interesting point was made by Dan Bongino today.He pointed out
that the liberal media, and liberal politicians are saying that men have no
right to decide laws regarding abortions. I think most liberals here would
agree.He then pointed out the Roe vs. Wade decision was made by 9
men. There were no women on the supreme court. As for that Alabama law, it was
sponsored and brought to the floor by a woman, and it was signed into law by a
woman. So if women are the only ones that have a right to vote for
or against abortion, then Roe vs. Wade is out and Alabama law is in.
ERB - Stenodude, "yes maybe 1% is what I’m talking about. That is
still tens of thousands of full term abortions a year."Oh, no
you don't. No-one's talking about "full term" abortions. A
"late term" abortion is one that occurs after 21 weeks . . well before
you could reasonably call it "full term." How many women carry a healthy
fetus until it's about time to give birth and then decide "Yeah, change
of plans . . kill this thing!" That's basically not a thing, and has
nothing to do with the vast, VAST majority of women who find themselves
considering terminating a pregnancy.Out of the Blue @Stenodude7174
"I agree that those abortions are rare, my question is why have
them?"Well, why do you think? Is it just a change of heart in
most cases? Or is it more likely that problems have been found with the baby in
regards to its viability? I'd argue, like I did above, that very, very few
women are carrying around a baby for 20+ weeks, intending to give birth, and
then deciding, for no specific reason, to end it. I'm not willing to
restrict the rights of all women for those few that make such choices.
@JS - He says "but strongly object to providing for the disenfranchised
child and family after birth." First, please provide evidence
of your opinion. Second as a proponent of your opinion about
Republicans, you support the execution of the unborn because they might end up
disenfranchised as a child or in a family?Margaret Sanger had this
same opinion in developing policies. She felt that the poor should be
sterilized and held in Labor camps so they could not infect their poverty on the
higher genetic elites. Do you really feel that abortion will eliminate poverty?
Democrats tell us they support diversity, but they support an
abortion policy that disproportionally is pushed in black, Hispanic, and poor
populations. The black percentage of population in America is slowly
decreasing, and it can be attributed to the disproportional abortion rate among
blacks.The abortion debate is really a backdoor support of the
Eugenic policies of liberal progressives.
Everyone is so into 'women's rights....how many of those abortions are
or would become "women", 30 of those 60+ million?
Yuge Opportunity Here - Mapleton, UT---Alabama doesn't much
care what Mitt Romney thinks.And Mitt probably should stay out of
state politics, anyway. He's a federal elected official.---And by extension the state should stay out of a private decision of a woman to
carry a pregnancy to term.There are already sufficient controls on
abortion to disallow termination of a pregnancy late, 90% of all abortions occur
within 13 weeks, and less that 2% are beyond 21 weeks. In the later case, it is
usually due to the potential health of the mother, or the fetus is determined to
be severely deformed, and often not viable.If men don't what to
have children, then take preventative measures, or just not have sex with women,
until finding one who wants to have a family.It is very simple for a
man to make such a choice.
Men and women have a choice to engage in an act that might result in a baby. An
abortion isn't a choice, it's an avoidance of consequences.BUT Mitt is right, if the woman is robbed of her choice at the time of
inception by rape or incest, she should have the choice for abortion,
maintaining her agency.Well done, Mitt. Yet again, I'm proud of
@ Jane B. Are you serious when you say 916 is an outstanding number
of former prosecutors that can't be ignored....Do you have any idea how
many former prosecutors there are in the country? According to the
BJS there are over 2300 prosecutor offices in the U.S.....that is just the
number of offices, each office having many prosecutors and all they were able to
cobble together was 916 former prosecutors. There are going to be more former
prosecutors out there then current prosecutors thus by extrapolation the 916 is
a small number compared to the whole. I don't have time to look up the
exact number but let's be real here in a country pretty evenly divided over
trump is should be easy to get 50% (even more according to democrats) of a
former prosecutors to sign on against Trump........and all they could get was
916.... they aren't fooling anyone that is being honest with
themselves and others.
Stenodude, yes maybe 1% is what I’m talking about. That is still tens of
thousands of full term abortions a year.
The sanctity of life , the centerpiece of an American conservatism which has at
its core Christianity."For you created my inmost being; you knit me
together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and
wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. frame was not
hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together
in the depths of the earth (Psalm 139:13-15 NIV). "babies are humans
What I find repugnant is the Republicans and far right religious cabal want to
save the unborn fetus but strongly object to providing for the disenfranchised
child and family after birth. To me that is absolutely contrary to what their
religious leader says about taking care of the poor, hungry and meek of the
world. The hypocrisy is beyond astounding.......
"That is simply not true, according to 916 former federal prosecutors who
worked for both R and D presidents that signed a letter saying there IS full
evidence of multiple counts of obstruction "But the lead
investigator, Mueller, that looked at the all the evidence, and the exculpatory
evidence that the 916 did not look at, failed to even recommend prosecution for
obstruction. The 916 did not look at the facts. OJ was not
convicted of a crime because the jury evaluated the evidence presented. He did
not get convicted by the millions who clearly saw he was guilty.Mueller's report need not be more than a couple of paragraphs. Mueller
wanted to convict Trump in the public theater because he did not have the
evidence to convict. And that is what anyone calling Trump guilty of
obstruction is doing. Convicting him without any evidence. What is the
exculpatory evidence Mueller failed to include in his report?Weisman
has had numerous cases reversed because he hid exculpatory evidence. What is
your excuse for not looking and providing the exculpatory evidence?
Flashback, I don't know how to help you. It's all right there in the
report. For starters, read it. 10-11 instances of obstruction. Mueller did not
indict because of DOJ policy, and specifically left it to congress to take up.
Mueller is not corrupt, or angry, or biased. He did his job.I find
it quite amusing that you call "bunk" on 916 professionals, who
prosecuted cases just like this. People who worked for both republicans and
democrats. It's an astonishing number that cannot be dismissed.You've got to take off your Trump glasses and see reality.
What to you all think Romney should do. If he is asked a question about his
position, he should respond "not happening in Utah so I have no
comment"? Your protestation about him commenting is bizarre at best. Secondly, I see a lot of people who will pound fist on how opposed to
abortion they are, taking the high moral ground on the issue.... but if they are
so passionate, what have they actually done ? In real terms, to make the
decision for some person to go ahead and take the baby to term, then either
raise the child themselves or help with finding the child a home. I see very
few families taking in the kids today who are in foster care, less alone
offering to take in a child themselves. If you are so
passionate.... do more than just tell people how immoral they are and how moral
you are. Do something to make that decision easy. It's real easy to tell
others what to do... its something totally different to actually get engaged and
try to help solve the problem. Thousands of kids are without homes...
Alabama doesn't much care what Mitt Romney thinks.And Mitt
probably should stay out of state politics, anyway. He's a federal elected
@Stenodude7174I agree that those abortions are rare, my question is
why have them? Why can't we at least agree on that? That is like someone
defending the Magnesium plant on the Great Salt Lake because they don't
want excessive environmental regulations harming business.
JaneB, nice try.All those former Federal Prosecutors is bunk. Not a
one of them, were they still in their jobs and Federal Prosecutors would
prosecute Trump for Obstruction. They know they wouldn't have a prayer of
winning the case.But since they are out of office, they can spout
whatever they want. There are no repercussions for them spouting now. And they
can give their opinion all they want. Doesn't mean that they are correct
in their assumptions.
Reading from afar, it seems Mitt is not well liked by most DN readers. However
DN will cover his comments more than the Nat'l Media because he represents
Utah. Hats off to DN to keep the Utah voters informed.
@SGU "falsely claiming she was raped by an unknown assailant"Wives can and are raped by their husbands!!
I don’t see how anyone can consider the Alabama bill any more extreme than
a law specifically allowing abortions “up to and including the moment of
birth.” I myself would always favor an exception for rape (including
statutory rape, which would also cover most pregnancies resulting from incest),
but I understand the frustration with “go along to get along”
Republicans who never take a real stand on any cultural issue.
@ERB - "I still don’t get how any human can want abortion on demand.
The worst is the current Democratic candidates who have come out saying they
want babies who survived botched abortions to be killed."Conservatives love to drill down on the most gruesome abortions, or
"late-term" abortions, which are hardly even a thing. About 1% of
abortions occur after the halfway point of a pregnancy. Reality is that the
vast, vast majority are very early on and requested by women/girls who have no
reliable means of caring for a baby. At least be honest in your arguments.@Aggielove - "Would god allow a women to become pregnant if it
wasn’t his desire for that spirit to come to earth with that
mother?"This kind of simplistic argument just makes me shake my
head. Yes, god meant for some girl to be raped and bear the resulting child.
It's a true blessing! God meant for a 14-year-old to be taken advantage of
by her older boyfriend and abandoned. All part of "The Plan"!
Alabama's position is extreme.Even the Church Formerly Known as
Mormon allows an abortion exception for rape and incest. Of course they say
counseling with Doctors and Religious leaders would be part of the process.Mitt is exactly correct.
That supposedly "small government" conservatives are so anxious to pass
laws taking away women's bodily autonomy would be funny if it wasn't
Mitt Romney has never been so wrong about anything in his political career. He
said there is not enough elements in the Mueller report to prove obstruction?
That is simply not true, according to 916 former federal prosecutors who worked
for both R and D presidents that signed a letter saying there IS full evidence
of multiple counts of obstruction of justice in the Mueller report, and if he
were not president he would be indicted. Mueller showed 11
obstruction of justice instances, and gross abuse of power. Justin Amish is 100%
correct on everything he wrote on Sat. Romney was sent to DC to
speak the truth about Trump. But now he's cowering like all the rest.
It's a very sad day for America that only one single GOP leader is willing
to stand up and say the truth.
Senator Romney appears not to appreciate the shift in the Republican party to
the (so-called) religious right; affiliated white nationalist movements, and the
process for the nation that they seek. The religious right is against all
non-abstinence based birth control methods and all abortion, no matter the
reason. To say otherwise is disingenuous at best and does not comport with
reality. That is what is coming in our country; along with the total removal of
governmental supports for those women who would have sought to end their
unwanted pregnancy, the children that they will be literally forced to bear, and
society writ large.The religious right is as zealous as any
fundamentalist Abrahamic sect on this earth; and will- with their militant white
nationalist brethren and "constitutionalist" allies in Congress and the
Executive, likely succeed at their aims if those in power fail to confront them
in fully. Half measures will not do. Senator Romney, pray you understand that
there is no such thing as "religious right lite". Tacit support is still
Peter1 - North Salt Lake, UT "looking at a nation that has had 60 million
abortions in the last 48 years we cannot say we are a Godly people"Were we a Godly people before Roe v Wade? The abortion rate was never zero in
this country, nor will it ever be.
Considering all of the candidates for the next election and the current chief
executive, Romney should be our president.
Thanks Romney for being a voice of reason. Utah elected you by a large majority.
The majority comments here seem to reflect one of those ‘wings’ he
referred to. Seriously, how can anyone support forcing a 12 year old to bare a
child when she has already been traumatized by rape? The Alabama law is a set
Why does Mr. Romney seem to put his feet in his mouth?
There is the day after pill which stops fetal growth. A woman can take that
right after a rape.Please know abortion is not a simple topic. But, looking at a nation that has had 60 million abortions in the last 48
years we cannot say we are a Godly people with numbers like that. Especially
when we fund it with Planned Parenthood.
Great job Mitt! Thanks for thinking for yourself.
I chuckle at the DN readers who blast Mitt for commenting on the legislative
antics in Alabama. When Mike Lee opens his mouth to comment on
something--and the DN immediately runs a lead article, "Senator Lee says
blah, blah, blah", these same readers give it favorable comments. Hey, if you're going to accuse one politician of grandstanding, could you
at least be consistent?
Shuzzie,???? What are you talking about? Republicans are vilified for saying All
lives matter. It’s only en vogue if you say black lives matter. I still
don’t get how any human can want abortion on demand. The worst is the
current Democratic candidates who have come out saying they want babies who
survived botched abortions to be killed. And you say we don’t care about
I have been critical of Romney in the past and still believe he is somewhat
unrealistic in his view of Trumpian politics. Mitt, along with others is too
uncritically accepting of the Mueller report, for one instance. But, his view
considering that there are some occasions in which abortion may be necessary
reflect good sense. The mother's life is an important consideration; rape
and incest as well - the woman's free agency was violated; undesirable
genetic material transmitted affecting the fetus. Note that under Mosaic law, a
rapist was stoned to death.
Would god allow a women to become pregnant if it wasn’t his desire for
that spirit to come to earth with that mother?
Mitt, Conservative states are fighting back against the Left. Why aren’t
He's a lone island and offers no support for his party. He's not the
POTUS...his opinions are just that.Mitt must go!
Where's Utah's pro-life abortion law? It's nice to
criticize, but where's Utah's law protecting the life of people in the
I wish Romney would have elaborated on why he feels the innocent child should be
killed due to the wrongful act of the rapist. Also, if the rape exception is
allowed, what level of proof is required to qualify for the exception? For
example, if a woman goes to a doctor during the 15th week of pregnancy, and
requests an abortion, falsely claiming she was raped by an unknown assailant,
resulting in the pregnancy, is the doctor required to make any inquiry? If so,
what level? If not, the exception can be fraudulently used at will. Requiring
a police report to qualify? The woman can simply report the "rape" the
week before the doctor visit.
I am no particular fan of the Junior Senator from Utah. And maybe even should
not comment on his positions. However, he is one of one hundred that seem to
control the destiny of the nation.Well, there is one person who does
control the future even more importantly than Romney, and that is President
Trump. As this is so, particularly with the debate over abortion, this comments
leaps out at the thinking person: "Trumps got many warts but at least you
know where he’s at".Given Mr Trumps many flip-flops and
mis-statements of truth, how can this comment possibly be considered even
remotely worthy of print? And besides calling his business failures, his
marriage failures and his many, many ethical/moral failures "warts" has
got to be the understatement of the year.Senator Romney is not of my
taste. However, he is relatively consistent. He is relatively moral and
ethical to a point. He has never bankrupted his own business, ended his
marriage nor unfaithful to his vows. Utah elected him by great margins, you
knew what you were getting.
@Pugman, Matman, bamafone...."As most people know, and for those
who would like to know, I am strongly Pro-Life, with the three exceptions -
Rape, Incest and protecting the Life of the mother - the same position taken by
Ronald Reagan. ...."Tweet by Donald Trump yesterdaySo if Romney's same position makes him not conservative enough for some,
what does this do for Trump, who holds the same position.
Republicans are pro-life until the baby is born.
Just stop it Mitt... You don't need to be in the middle of everything and
if you continue to target conservative positions with your comments then maybe
you should consider either switching parties or moving back to Massachusetts.
There is nothing wrong with changing positions on an issue. It means Mitt can
think for himself as opposed to toeing the party line as some would have him do.
@Pugman - Tremonton, UT"Romney showing his true liberal colors"How? Frankly, Romney is showing that he's very conservative. He's
following the same exceptions to abortions that the most conservatives have.
If it's rape or incest, the "abortion" can be completed just after
inception. No need to wait til there's a formed fetus.
Pretty funny to see people in these comments trying to label Mitt Romney
"liberal" for suggesting there ought to be exceptions for rape and
incest. Laughably absurd takes.
very hard to warm up to Mitt. Trumps got many warts but at least you know where
he’s at. From one day or issue to the next it’s hard to tell what
Mitt is going to say or do. hard to know what his core is
Relative to the mainstream Utah position (i.e. the LDS church's position)
the Alabama law goes too far. Why would anyone be surprised by a Utah politician
thinking the same?
It awkward to watch conservative legislators set criteria limiting women from
seeking abortion from threatening prosecution of the doctors pledged to help and
not the woman seeking help. This is easily explained because to prosecuted the
woman would be the political death call by the legislator who votes for such
legislation. Republican woman many support the anti-abortion movement as long as
the woman is not treated the same as her doctor.However, from a
physiological, medical perspective, much of the dialog focus on "fetal heart
beat" which doesn't occur until an anatomical heart and circulatory
system are in place and doesn't exist within the time limits specified in
the legislation. This allows the laws to be set earlier than when the heart
actually develops.Now Mitt Romney enters the fray with a typical
political position that is reflected in the majority of Americans supporting a
woman's right to choose with some exception. Although Romney may buy into
some of the anti-abortion rhetoric about numbers of women seeking abortions and
third trimester abortions, he understands the need to help women undergoing
trauma in these situations which take them to seeking an abortion.
Sadly, Romney, from the great state of Utah, is far more critical of almost all
conservative positions than those taken by the fringe left. If I were Trump I
would call him "Milquetoast Mitt". A particular scripture comes to
mind..something about spewing.
Too bad that Massachusetts now has three liberal senators while only one
conservative senator from Utah balances them out.Every day it is
more clear that Mitt really wants to be president, not a good senator for Utah.
Fool me once...
Earlier in his life, Mitt supported the right to abortion. Not much has changed.
He is very liberal minded and it is beginning to show forth.
Mitt, just concentrate on Utah and stop looking for sound bites that get you
Romney showing his true liberal colors
As usual, Mitt is spot on.The extremists in almost all issues are
wrong. Don't care if they are the 5% on the right or the 5% on the left.
Alabama's and similar laws are actually doing more to push the population
into the opposite direction.The Alabama abortion law is an exercise
in wasting time, effort, and spending money on lawyers (who will make bank). It
will easily be struck down by the courts.
Here we go again. Glad he didn't win when he ran.
Romney is right in all cases here. Going to extremes will only result in endless
litigation on either side and the unborn will continue to be the loser. -- He is
right on China as is Trump.As far as the mueller report goes, it is
finished --- The Dems hopes were dashed and can't let go just as they were
when Hillary didn't get elected. For which I thank God and those who voted
Romney is the brightest light in the Utah delegation in Washington.
Why doesnt he just announce now he is running for president. He is pandering for
votes already among the voters and the press
"I just don’t think there is the full element you need to prove an
obstruction of justice case. I don’t think a prosecutor would actually
look at this and say you have here all the elements to get this to a
conviction."Romney said "I'm sickened" when the
Mueller report was released. Romney is now getting blasted by conservatives for
disagreeing with the Alabama abortion law and by liberals for disagreeing with
Justin Amash on impeachment.Great job, Mitt.
Since these new laws prosecute the doctor who performs the abortion, not the
woman who seeks it, it makes me wonder if the intent is to require doctors to go
to extreme lengths to perpetuate the life of unwanted but viable fetuses.
When you take into account the technological advances that show fetuses able to
survive as early as 22 weeks (although sometimes just to spend a lifetime on
life support) I wonder if that is where this is headed.
Hey Romney you are Senator for Utah. Stay focused and do something for us.
Romney is right, and it's obvious why. Most Americans understand that
abortion needs to be an option in some cases. The right likes to think that the
left is out there wanting to kill babies. The left likes to think that the right
wants to control women's bodies. Neither are true. These extremes on both
the right and left are counterproductive and depressing. On a side
note, Romney disappointed me on the question of impeachment. He should have
stood with Amish.