Alabama governor invokes God in banning nearly all abortions

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  • reriding Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    The Alabama Governor must not realize that god (or nature, or chance) aborts half of all pregnancies. Yes, half end in miscarriage, aka spontaneous abortion.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2019 11:45 p.m.

    @barfolomew
    [Is there a leftist school that teaches you people these debate tactics? You keep telling me how "clear" it is, but you never want to explain how or why. You just like to imply that we're ignorance because we can't "see it." ]

    If someone can't figure out how this...

    Section 1. All persons BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    means fetuses aren't citizens... but fine, sure spelling it out.

    Fetuses aren't born, they aren't naturalized, and they aren't citizens of other countries either, so none of this applies to them.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 17, 2019 4:24 p.m.

    @ No Names

    "While I favor exceptions for rape, I understand the carefully calculated reasons to craft the bill this way as a challange to Roe."

    @ byugraduate

    "Alabama is saving lives."

    @ justmythoughts

    "I for one am proud of the courage it takes for Alabama to stand up to the relentless persecution that they are going to get in the coming months."

    I wonder if any of you would opine differently if it were your daughter or granddaughter who was forced to raise a child who epitomized everything (hair, eyes, facial features, mannerisms) of the man who raped her and be reminded of that man every day.

    Would you still be championing the legal acumen of the state?

    My guess is no. As long as it isn't anyone in your immediate circle, the incredibly dark and dire circumstances these women will find themselves in is just the price they will have to pay so your ideology can hold up. There is something wrong about that.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2019 12:38 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    May 17, 2019 12:27 a.m.

    "Thank you Alabama governor"

    And you don't like the government telling you to pay your taxes?

    But you want government to tell a woman to bear a child conceived through violent rape, incest, genetic disease and developmental abnormalities? This goes far beyond those women not wanting or not ready for a pregnancy.

    Are you for personal privacy and freedom for only those things you say should be included and not what others might require? Leave it up to the states? On an issue that transcends state boundaries? The right to choose includes the right to choose not to have an abortion regardless of how the conception occurred.

    You do realize that the Alabama law was created knowing that it would fail? And you applaud it regardless? Remember the legislator who said that a woman still has the right to an abortion up until she learns that she is pregnant? Do you support that logic for her rights?

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    byugraduate: "Why hasn't the church come out in support of the law?"
    Maybe it's because the church already has a published position on abortion, one far different from that of Alabama and some of the absolutist statements on this thread.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 17, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    Tolstoy--The decision for not having a baby should have been made nine months earlier.

    Babies should not have to give up their life because of irresponsible behavior.

  • byugraduate Las Vegas, NV
    May 17, 2019 9:22 a.m.

    Alabama is saving lives. Why hasn't the church come out in support of the law? They chime in on everything else.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 17, 2019 7:25 a.m.

    Fabulous Jen wrote 7:25 AM:

    "Conservatives are telling us it is against one's personal liberty to bake a cake for someone if their faith tells them otherwise but in Alabama girls and women must deliver their baby if it is the result of rape or incest?"

    It's interesting how no one has answered this question in the 24 hours after I asked the question.

    It's really the $64,000 question, isn't it? Not only does it expose the hypocrisy of the right, it's a factually correct statement. If some bakery store owner's feelings get hurt, that's a terrible thing. If some teenage girl is forced to carry an unwanted baby to term because she was raped in Alabama or Missouri, her feelings about being the primary caregiver for that rapist's baby for the next eighteen years do not matter at all.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    May 17, 2019 12:27 a.m.

    Thank you Alabama governor!

    Baby lives matter!

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    May 16, 2019 8:32 p.m.

    For all the fundamentalists who want government to dictate what a woman can and can't do while not wanting government interfering in raising, educating, and caring for a child. why not leave it up to the woman, her doctor and her God.

    As for those trying to bestow "personhood" on a embryo/fetus which cannot survive outside the womb, it appears that we are in this continual fight to control women and their bodies. An unwanted pregnancy results in an unwanted child. It's a complex situation particularly when a child cannot be cared for because the woman is not ready to have children/care (much less doesn't want them), but when it is all said and done, it's all about sex.

    Men still want to control women's sexual lives. We are always hearing the nonsense that if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, then they shouldn't be engaging in sexual activity. But here again we have a very complex dynamic between men and women. And this doesn't even take into account being forced through assault to have sex with a man who leaves her pregnant.

    So these men not only want women to behave as the men tell them, they want to prevent advances in medicine that can help a woman not become pregnant.

  • 1st avenue New York, NY
    May 16, 2019 8:31 p.m.

    I agree Hutterite. It seems invoking ones brand of religion to justify signing something into law seems problematic later when they have to defend the law in court. It seems like a gift to their opposing counsel who can now site her comment as evidence that they are trying to codify their religion into or laws and thereby elevate their religion which is a clear violation of the establishment clause.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 16, 2019 7:56 p.m.

    I should think any invocation of god in support of legislation should include a simple and irrefutable proof of the existence of god and also proof of knowledge of the mind, will and intent of said god.

    It's just that easy.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    May 16, 2019 5:20 p.m.

    Looking at the headline of the article.

    How dare the Governor of a State presume to know God's will in this matter. Are we now a theocracy?

    The audacity of such a statement from a person who presumes to represent his/her constituency with a sweeping statement of justification.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    @barfolomew
    I thought it is pretty clear that a “fetus” by definition is not born and a women by definition is.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    May 16, 2019 2:57 p.m.

    @ Joe Hilll

    "14th amendment is pretty clear why"

    You still haven't explained exactly how it's, "pretty clear."

    Is there a leftist school that teaches you people these debate tactics? You keep telling me how "clear" it is, but you never want to explain how or why. You just like to imply that we're ignorance because we can't "see it."

    Nancy Polosi was doing this when Barr refused to testify for the House. She said of his Senate testimony the day before, that he is a liar and should be prosecuted for his lies. Yet, she never actually told us what those lies were.

    I'm still waiting for both answers.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    @barfolomew
    See my quote of the 14th amendment below. If you claim to be a strict constitutionalist or whatever else implies a literal reading of the constitution then the 14th amendment is pretty clear why

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    May 16, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    @ Tolstoy

    "How do you square such an opinion with the 14th amendment?"

    Well, maybe it's the part that says:

    " nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

    So, I guess to "square" it with the 14th Amendment, we need to have a court hearing with an attorney representing the fetus.

    Seems to me that an abortion certainly deprives the baby of their life and liberty.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    May 16, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    Joe Hilll says:

    "There is literally no way you can go from calling yourself a strict constitutionalist, originalist etc.. to granting a fetus personhood and the rights and protection associated with being a US citizen."

    ___

    And exactly how on Earth did you come to that conclusion?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    @illuminated "Now work on getting your women out of the universities and the workplace and back in the home" and barefoot and pregnant and subjugated I guess by you.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    @omahahusker
    two important falsies about your logic first the rate of abortions has pretty steadily fallen for a few decades now, second the very fact you refer to the fetus as "Unborn" proves the point I and others have made regarding the 14th amendment.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    May 16, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    States where an bill restricting abortion passed at least a chamber of the Legislature and the education ranking of those states:

    Iowa: 9th
    Ohio: 31st
    Georgia: 30th
    Missouri: 27th
    Alabama: 50th
    Kentucky: 38th
    Arkansas: 42nd
    Louisiana: 48th
    Tennessee: 35th
    Mississippi: 46th
    North Dakota: 20th
    South Carolina: 43rd

    Notice a pattern?

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    May 16, 2019 1:22 p.m.

    @ Fullypresent

    "Shouldn't they/we take care of the kids that are already born before they force women to have more?"

    Wow! Seriously!?

    I didn't realize that the state of Alabama was "forcing" women to have children. At what point in the reproductive process does Alabama help get the woman pregnant? Are they there during copulation? Do they make sure a woman's choice of birth control doesn't function correctly? How do they "force" women to have children?

    From all that I've learned in my life, and except under certain circumstances, the woman is culpable in the decision to perform the act that leads to pregnancy.

    Your statement is but one more example of the liberal/progressive ideological mindset that professes that we're all victims of someone else in one form or another. Your argument absolves the woman from any responsibility in her pregnancy and shifts the blame to the state.

    The use of abortion in today's society is nothing more than birth control where the woman need not be careful NOT to get pregnant.

    If you don't want children, then don't put yourself in a position to get pregnant (no pun intended).

  • omahahusker Modesto, CA
    May 16, 2019 12:49 p.m.

    For the 21st Century, this is a good step to protect the life, liberty and happiness of the unborn child. Some things can be worked out between the woman and her doctor, but with the proliferation of Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics, pregnancy terminations have gave way beyond the scope, now it's just a business. Unborn life is not a sacred item, just a collection of fetal tissue. It's a reflection on we as a society have taken a downhill course of de-valuing life. What is coming next is how we deal with the elderly - I hate to contemplate what intelligent minds will bring us to.

  • Flipphone , 00
    May 16, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    I'm sure that women in Marxist Russia are treated better than they are hear in America.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 16, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    @ NoNames

    "Let's overturn Roe, return the issue to the States, and let people vote with their feet."

    "States rights" is one of the first phrases conservatives say during infancy, shortly after "mama".

    However, we are the UNITED states, not a crazy conglomeration of independent states.

    Imagine, if you will, if individual states could tailor their welcome mat only to the people they approve of:

    Texas: "You're welcome here if you carry a gun on you at all times."

    North Carolina: "You can vote here only if you submit to a lengthy interview and background check."

    Vermont: "We are the state for atheists."

    Massachusetts: "Transgender people, we are here for you!'

    Minnesota: "We are the state that welcomes refugees."

    That's the kind of patchwork "country" you are advocating.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    May 16, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    Great job Alabama. Now work on getting your women out of the universities and the workplace and back in the home and we can begin saving the country.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    Before abortion is outlawed women have.got.to.get a whole lot.better deal in support of their pregnancies. Right now women pay the whole price and men - remember them? - get off Scott free. Men have abortions!!

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 16, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    God should just leave it to them woman to decide how her body is used.

    And I thought that we had a Constitution that kept us from being a theocracy?

    Conservatives don't care about any rights but their own - and those they can force upon others.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    @Traveler
    from the fourteenth amendment:
    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

    state laws cannot supersede federal constitutional protections, its not up to nor should it be up to the states

  • Flipphone , 00
    May 16, 2019 9:50 a.m.

    I say Good... All unborn babies deserve the right to be born.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    May 16, 2019 9:43 a.m.

    A newborn is not viable on its own without life sustaining food from another. A pre-born is not viable without sustenance via the umbilical cord. Why is it justifiable to kill if the life sustaining food and warmth comes from the womb, but it is murder if the life sustaining food and warmth comes from nursing, bottles and blankets?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 16, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    If the decision is returned to the states, that will be just the first step. The 2nd step will be fueling the battlegrounds that will ensue. The issue will rip communities and states apart. We'll be left with a union divided. But then again we're on that path already with a President who insists on dividing this nation up between his supporters and everybody else.

  • TNgirl Memphis, TN
    May 16, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    @Vern001 As a woman that is against abortion except in cases of incest, rape, or danger to the mother, I couldn't agree more. It's always irked me how people could be anti-abortion but also anti providing cheap, affordable birth control. Sure in the ideal world maybe women AND MEN wouldn't have sex unless they were ready to take on the responsibility of a child but we don't live in the ideal world and that's never going to happen so let's have better sex education, let's make it easier and cheaper to get reliable birth control, and let's do better at holding men financially responsible for when they impregnate a woman, after all it takes two to tango and the burden shouldn't just be on the woman. As for all the other programs you mentioned, I support them too as long as they aren't being taken advantage of and the ultimate goal is to provide them with support to move them beyond relying on the system to standing on their own two feet.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2019 9:22 a.m.

    @No names

    What about the health of the mother?
    I do not know the medically term for it but my sister in law was pregnant but the fertilized egg was in the wrong part of her body and was growing. She didn’t even know she was pregnant but woke up in extreme pain. She went to the hospital and they said if she would have waited a few more hours she would be dead.

    I agree that abortions shouldn’t be a form of birth control but health matters should be between her and the doctor.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    May 16, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    This law "silences women"? At least one woman did let her voice be heard on this law - Governor Ivey.

    Overturning Roe will not "gut abortion rights nation wide". Overturning Roe will simply turn the issue back over to the states. Those states that want it to remain legal will just have to not pass any laws banning it, or pass laws specifically legalizing it, as New York and a few others already have. Those states who feel it shouldn't be legal will indeed ban it.

    The upshot will be that the people of the states will once more have a say in this issue, through their elected representatives, rather than being stuck with the Federal judicial fiat from a group of 9 un-elected (and all male, by the way) justices made 45 years ago.

    Rather than women's voices being silenced, overturning Roe will actually give them FAR more say in forming abortion policy for their respective states.

  • countryvoice3 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    conservative libertarian, "Here’s a simpler argument, if the baby can not survive outside of the womb, then it is the woman’s choice what to do. The second the baby is viable outside of the womb, say >50% chance of living (23 weeks or so), then it is no longer the woman’s choice. If you don’t want a baby at that point have it delivered and let others take over."

    Three reasons to support this; First of all it's the law now.

    Second, Joe Hill, 14th Amendment
    Section 1. All persons BORN or naturalized in the United States..the constitution is clear.

    Third, the bible itself makes many references to life as beginning with breath (only happens at viability).

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2019 8:55 a.m.

    @Sanefan
    why do you or Alabama or anyone else get to decide when a persons "CHOICE begins and ends" when it comes to this issue? How do you square such an opinion with the 14th amendment?

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    May 16, 2019 8:55 a.m.

    Abortion: spontaneous or induced. Do you know the difference?

    A "medication abortion" is the termination of a pregnancy induced by FDA-approved pills, typically within the first 10 weeks of gestation. According to Alabama, that is now illegal. How will that be policed & enforced?

    A "miscarriage" is frequently called a “spontaneous abortion” in medical terms, & occurs when a pregnancy (before about 20 wks) ends "on its own." Very frequently, such an "abortion" involves the woman going into her doctor and having a Dilation and Curettage (D&C): a brief surgical procedure to dilate the cervix & scrape the uterine lining, removing "tissue in the uterus" (a "baby"?).

    D&C helps prevent infection or heavy bleeding, is used to diagnose or treat abnormal uterine bleeding, fibroids, polyps, hormonal imbalances, or uterine cancer. It can be done in a doctor's office, an outpatient clinic, or the hospital, & usually takes only 10 to 15 minutes.

    If a woman & her doctor speak about it using clinical language, is it still "illegal"?
    How will you police & enforce that, Alabama? Pry into women's bathroom habits? Spies?

    Legislators and religious zealots should NOT be making these decisions!

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    May 16, 2019 8:32 a.m.

    "Abortion is a private choice between a woman and her doctor and doesn't affect anyone else"--wrong. It certainly "affects" the baby (killed) and the father whose child is killed.

    "A bunch of old white men shouldn't be deciding women's rights"--yet this wasn't a problem with Roe v Wade.

    "This takes away the right of a woman to make medical decisions for her own body"--it is not her body that is killed. It is another person's body inside of her body.

    "We can't fix all of society's ills and pay for all life's necessities so women should be able to abort". --Why is having everything paid for by society a requirement for not killing someone?

    "Men should not have any voice in this discussion"--is having a uterus a prerequisite to telling right from wrong?

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 8:25 a.m.

    "To the bill's many supporters, this legislation stands as a powerful testament to Alabamians' deeply held belief that every life is precious and that every life is a sacred gift from God," Gov. Kay Ivey

    Is this the same god who cant seem to help the 5000 kids who die everyday for lack of clean water?

    I think all these laws will be stricken down and that is a good thing.

    If any of these states actually cared about reducing abortion they would have comprehensive sex education, instead they all waste time, money, and risk kids lives with useless and religious based 'abstinence only' bologna.

    The GOP doesnt give a fig about kids once they are born. They dont want to make sure kids get a healthy meal, they dont care if they have healthcare or not, they surely dont want to provide a college education, and they all really love the death penalty. They arent 'pro life', they are 'pro birth'. After that then you are on your own.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    May 16, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    If ya don't want to get pregnant, there are many options. That's were the CHOICE begins and ends! Alyssa Milano gave the best advice, abstinence. Of course, rape and incest are the exceptions and I'd throw in life of the mother. The first 2 take away the woman/girls choice and the third is obvious.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    May 16, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    It's a threat to religious freedom if government can compel another to do something based on religious beliefs. Our nation was formed by people trying to escape this exact thing.

    These men are compelling women to carry babies . . a pretty serious intrusion. The same men are probably preaching about the dangers of Sharia law.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    May 16, 2019 8:11 a.m.

    How sad.... most of these comments talk about Alabama as if it were a third world country and how men have no right to say anything about abortion. My favorite is the swipe at conservatives for caring for the unborn and then criticizing the fact that there are many problems people face during life. I for one am proud of the courage it takes for Alabama to stand up to the relentless persecution that they are going to get in the coming months.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 16, 2019 8:08 a.m.

    Republicans want to contol every aspect of your life.

    Nothing like grumpy old White men making decisions for women's health.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted
    25 men and 1 woman. Feel free to look up the state house numbers and throw them in there, see if that ratio isn't still incredibly tilted towards people who can't get pregnant.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 16, 2019 7:25 a.m.

    So please help me try to understand this! Conservatives are telling us it is against one's personal liberty to bake a cake for someone if their faith tells them otherwise but in Alabama girls and women must deliver their baby if it is the result of rape or incest?

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2019 7:09 a.m.

    Marshall
    Maybe the money that PP takes from the taxpayers could be used to fix their hospital situation if you’re correct. Utah should be taking the lead.
    Killing babies is not what most people want.
    The woman's Rights stop at inception and that’s when the baby’s rights take over.
    As expected libs are going crazy.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    May 16, 2019 7:07 a.m.

    The laws in Alabama, Georgia, Ohio and soon Missouri aren't meant to protect anyone.

    They were designed to challenge settled law.

    They were designed to please the vocal minority in the GOP opposed to abortion.

    They were designed to give the GOP majority on the Supreme Court (yes, the majority of the SC are far right Republicans) a chance to justify their appointments.

    They were designed to subjugate women, particularly poor minority women who may not be able to pay to travel to a "Free" state to have an aboriton.

    They were designed to resurrect the cries of the Confederacy who wished to keep an element of society in subjugation to white male privilege.

    We all know this. It was a callous exercise of power of a minority viewpoint. Most Americans believe in a woman's right to chose. It is an affront to the majority.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    May 16, 2019 6:21 a.m.

    "Shouldn't they/we take care of the kids that are already born before they force women to have more?" No one is forcing women to have children. That is, except for rape, a decision they make all on their own when they chose to be with a man. There are many ways to not get pregnant. If a child is not wanted - employ one of them. Don't murder the baby because you did do preventive meassures.

    Joe - that's quite the twist on the words. Differentiating between people of the US and foriegners.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    May 16, 2019 6:11 a.m.

    Sadly this debate has taken away the rights of any woman to decide medical decisions for her own body.

    People may not like that, and they want to regulate into servitude women's rights.

    This decision is between a woman and her doctor. It is none of my business, nor is it the business of anyone else. Period!

    Education and planning can reduce these incidents. But too many don't allow those in need of education to get it. Those who oppsose organizations like Planned Parenthood are the people that are promoting more abortions, not less.

    Where Planned Parenthood and State Organizations work to educate, abortion and unwanted pregnancies have plummeted. (Colorado is a good example.)

    Sadly the GOP has no health care, or insurance plans for those born into this situation. They are pro birth, but not "pro life". If they were, health care would be available to all. So their claims of protecting "the innocent" are so shallow as to be laughable.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    May 16, 2019 2:40 a.m.

    I find it interesting that Republicans care so much for life BEFORE birth, but then after an unwed mother has the baby they don’t want to pay for food stamps, childcare, health insurance, after school programs, etc etc. Maybe women would be less likely to have an abortion if they had access to free or low cost contraception. Instead, Planned Parenthood is being defunded and if a single mom needs help she’s branded a “welfare queen” and a taker. At least be consistent; if you say you’re pro-life, be pro-life after birth too!

  • conservative libertarian Draper, UT
    May 15, 2019 11:05 p.m.

    I’m pro choice but I always cring when I see the argument for abortion being homelessness or drugs or quality of life.

    If quality of life is the deciding factor should we euthanize all homeless, drug addicted adults?

    Here’s a simpler argument, if the baby can not survive outside of the womb, then it is the woman’s choice what to do. The second the baby is viable outside of the womb, say >50% chance of living (23 weeks or so), then it is no longer the woman’s choice. If you don’t want a baby at that point have it delivered and let others take over.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2019 9:51 p.m.

    14th Amendment
    Section 1. All persons BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2019 9:43 p.m.

    There is literally no way you can go from calling yourself a strict constitutionalist, originalist etc.. to granting a fetus personhood and the rights and protection associated with being a US citizen.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2019 9:05 p.m.

    On any given day, there are nearly 443,000 children in foster care in the United States. In 2017, more than 690,000 children spent time in U.S. foster care. Alabama has 6,000. National Center on Family Homelessness. A staggering 2.5 million children are now homeless each year in America. This historic high represents one in every 30 children in the United States. This includes Alabama. Nearly half of their pregnancies are unintended.

    Alabama is ranked 5th for women engaging in excessive drinking. This will certainly help their unborn babies especially ones they don't want. 5% consume alcohol when they are pregnant.

    18.1% of households in Alabama experience food insecurity. That will certainly go up when you add more children to the household they do not want or can't afford to feed or raise.

    Alabama is ranked #13 in the nation for teen suicide.

    Shouldn't they/we take care of the kids that are already born before they force women to have more?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    May 15, 2019 7:40 p.m.

    Alabama has a 12% premature birth rate, third worst in the US.

    An infant mortality rate of 7.4/1000, fifth worst in the US.

    Half of Alabama's counties don't have a hospital with obstetrical services.

    Alabama ranks:
    45th in Health Care
    50th in Education
    45th Economy
    45th in Opportunity
    38th in worst property crime
    42nd in worst schools in the US

    If "every life is precious" to you, why aren't you fixing all of that?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    May 15, 2019 5:56 p.m.

    I note that about half of all residents in Alabama are men, but 100% of their current governors are women. Does that mean anything here? No?

    Good. Let's hear nothing about about the gender makeup the legislative branch in Alabama.

    Let us also remember that at the time the 13th amd was passed, outlawing all slavery in this nation, most former slave owners had been disenfranchised for their part in the Southern Secession. The fact that slave owners may not have liked the ban on slavery does not diminish the legitimacy of the 13th amd one bit. Neither does the fact that most who supported the ban had never owned slaves, never wanted to own slaves.

    Laws are passed by society to protect rights, including the rights of those who do not have a voice or are not popular. These laws restrain the actions of the strong would otherwise harm the weak.

    While I favor exceptions for rape, I understand the carefully calculated reasons to craft the bill this way as a challange to Roe.

    Let's overturn Roe, return the issue to the States, and let people vote with their feet. This should never have been nationized.