The number of older Americans is surpassing the number of very young Americans. Most experts don't think that's good news.
@JaneBWhat I was saying is that while immigration works as a
temporary fix for lack of babies born, it changes the culture of a country too
much when too many immigrants come into our nation & insufficient time is
not allowed for them to assimilate.Victor Davis Hanson has pointed
out how too many immigrants at a time makes the nation more of a "salad"
(different cultures don't mix as much & hence not as well). E pluribus
Unum means "from many one". It implies how immigrants over time become
one with the rest of the nation. When immigration was gradual enough for a
melding & welding between their old culture & the extant culture in the
nation they enter, then gradually there is ever more intermarriage & a move
to greater unity, oneness.Diversity can help. But, too much too fast
can hurt, both the people already in the nation & those coming in.My whole point is that immigration is not a long term solution for
sub-replacement birth rates (that we've had for 50 years—a whole
lifetime)! Without enough babies, the nation ages, dwindles & dies
culturally, economically, in all ways.We greatly need a massive
increase in births! They give us a raison d'etre that we've largely
We're not going to enact programmes that give confidence to young people
that they will have help raising children. We're just not going to do that.
Nobody gets health care, or even protection from predatory lending. They're
on their own. Anything better is labeled 'socialism'. So,
they've decided not to have kids. And they know they are not obligated to.
That's important. But, where can we find a pool of people willing to work
and take on new roles in American society going forward? Why has god not sent a
motivated group of individuals to knock at the door of opportunity hoping to
contribute to our society? If the future consumers in America aren't
internal they've got to be...wait, that can't be right.
I actually won’t want to bring a child in today’s world , it’s
dangerous overpopulation starvation distinction of species list goes on I would
never wish this on the upcoming new generation .
Its certainly bad news for the Church as it continues to shrink.
Diligent Dave wrote: Immigration does indeed bring more 'bodies' to
work. But the difference in cultural values, etc, changes society far greater
than most suppose, and not necessarily for the better." I think
you're wrong and I'll tell you why. We are actually better because of
our immigrants. Much better. Are you aware that first generation immigrants
start many more businesses (that employ us and grow our economy) than natives?
Did you know that over 50% of billion $ companies were started by immigrants?
That's astonishing, and really does prove a tremendous cultural and
economic benefit. I don't know what it is, but is seems to indicate that
they have more of "the right stuff" to succeed than the rest of us!
(generally.)So yeah, I like the changes immigrants bring. I know
many immigrants. They are very very fine people. We need to legalize the
dreamers, and also allow more people come and work here. We have plenty of jobs.
To "andyjaggy" you don't have to pay for your kids to go to
college. Believe it or not, they can pay their own way.Why do your
kids have to do the same thing that everybody else does? Do you ensure that your
kids get the best education you can help them get? Do you anticipate never
getting promoted? Did you know that the average worker changes jobs every 5
years, and when changing jobs will get a 10% or more increase in their
salary?Yes, raising kids is expensive, but are you doing something
to increase your income to provide more money for your family or do you stay at
your job that gives you minimal raises each year?So what is your
solution to "crony capitalism?"
I make decent money. My salary is 75k a year. We live pretty frugally, moderate
house, 10 year old vehicles, no smart phones, no cable television. We can barely
afford our 4 kids let alone save for their college or provide for them all the
opportunities we see people with less kids being able to provide. At the end of
the year I will once again get my 2% raise while my health insurance premiums
will probably go up around 10-15%, completely negating any raise I might get.
Meanwhile Trump's tax reform got me a whopping 10 extra dollars per pay
check and his tariffs have all but guaranteed I will be paying more for most of
my purchases throughout the year. If you want to see people having more kids
than fix the crony capitalism and stop giving tax breaks and handouts to
Civilly, because economic depressions, like the one in the 1930's, tend to
bring on civil unrest and war (like WWII, the deadliest war in the world
ever)!When birthrates are at sub-replacement levels (which they
still are & have been since 1970), it screws up everything. Financial debt
(personally & for governments) has been the result. It has been since about
1970 that the US, as a nation, and for individuals & families, has been
sinking, year-by-year, into deeper & deeper financial debt.Without more babies (people) being born, demand dwindles.Growing
population is what has contributed so much to economic prosperity around the
world for the past several hundred years! Increasingly larger markets make
prospects for businesses grow. Declining #'s of prospective customers ruins
business, leads to more companies going under, fewer needs for employees, &
thereby jobs shrink in #.Women choosing to 'make bank'
instead of babies, while it might work for a decade or two, in the long run, it
destroys the economy. The Ponzi scheme called socialism (like Social Security,
MediCare, MedicAid, etc) will sooner or later fail, like Bernie Madoff's
scam did 10 yrs ago, which ran for 50 yrs!
The so-called Feminist movement has contributed greatly to the decline of
births. And, sorry, but immigration is not the solution.Immigration
does indeed bring more 'bodies' to work. But the difference in
cultural values, etc, changes society far greater than most suppose, and not
necessarily for the better. (Don't get me wrong, I advocate massive
in-migration, as a short term fix. But it won't work in the long run at
all.The 'Feminist' movement advocated women doing what men
do— make money (outside the home), and not be 'forced' into
having babies.I agree that everyone, women as much as men, have
their 'agency' - the God given right to make choices for themselves.
But, of course, the "other end of this stick" (when you pick up one end
of a stick, you also pick up the other end) is this— only women can have
babies. And, if a sufficient number of them refuse to have many (if any) babies,
it is leading to an existential threat for all of humanity.Even
having over 7 billion humans on earth doesn't change that. First,
economically, and then civilly, sub-replacement birth rates result in economic
depression. The US hasn't had a real surplus birth rate since 1970 (49
@ Sumbuddy: "if I were to do it over I would not have any kids."Gee, I sure hope your kids don't read your commentary. What a
bleak outlook on life.
We would of loved to have two more kids. However our son is a special needs
child and that cost about $3500 a month plus he needs so much attention that if
we had more kids it wouldn’t be fair to them?
City Boy -- if you re-read my post i didn't say that God or prayers would
solve our problem . I said he would Help us solve them.-- Killing our own
offspring won't help . You missed the whole point
With a lower birth rate and a large population of older citizens who live longer
and stay at work longer the net result is that young people tend not to move up
the corporate ladder because it is already crowded with senior citizens. Some experts see young graduates drifting from one internship to the
next, never finding permanent employment. The long-term effects of this might
lead to a generation whose retirement could be spent in poverty.
@deseret peteHumanity crossed 7 billion a while back. We're not in
any danger of extinction.What's in danger is specific economic
measures of succcess and some people's ideas of what "America"
should look like.But extinction? Nah. We'd have to kill *way*
more babies to work on *that*.
trump just said the nation if full and now we're hearing the there
aren't enough babies being born to sustain the population.So what is
it?Of course the solution is to let more people move to the US and let
them work which would boost the economy, etc.So why are we fighting
letting good people move to the US?
@ deseret pete,“People seem to have no Faith or belief in our
Creator and and think he can not help us to solve the problems we
encounter...”I believe in our Creator but I also believe in
supernal His plan for us to use our own agency. We can pray for peace in the
world every morning and night, but unless mankind actually takes steps to bring
it about God will not save us from ourselves. Prayer and supplication to God
are wonderful tools, but without works they avail little.
Having grown up hearing the warnings about world overpopulation, I have trouble
seeing population decline as a bad thing. The potential economic difficulties
described in this article seem small compared to the loss of natural
environments and species and the prospect of widespread starvation as natural
resources run out. This article was clearly not intended to make me feel
hopeful, but it does.
In considering the decline of births --- Did they consider the 600,000 abortions
a year, -- Maybe a better solution would be to stop killing our offspring like
some uncivilized society. Some of the posts here and solutions are pretty scary.
-- People seem to have no Faith or belief in our Creator and and think he can
not help us to solve the problems we encounter except by resorting to breaking
his commandments and think only of our individual survival. -- It is a sad tale
-- But this situation has been prophesied from the beginning -- Just think of
the the Headline ' US birth rate hits new low -- This could be bad news
for everyone --- Then i read all the posts for solutions . When we have an
animal that is close to extinction we put them on the endangered species list
and it is against the law to kill them or their eggs to be hatched or face a
fine and jail time --- But for the human species which they are concerned about
too small of a birth rate it is okay to kill 600,000 a year in the US. --- This
ought not to be. The biggest problem we have is a Moral Decay of our society
where the animal species is more protected than our own offspring.
Hey, anytime someone wants to wire me $100k to jump-start me and my
husband's plan for children, I'm ready.Joking (not-joking)
aside, as much as folks claim to be worried about declining births and
population, no one is seriously trying to actually encourage folks to have kids.
Our economic culture pushes people to go to college if they want a middle-class
job, which pushes thousands of dollars of debt onto them before they're
even married, which then delays marriage, buying a house, and so-on. By the
time folks are financially stable and ready, they're in their 30s.The only folks having kids while young are the folks who aren't planning
ahead and ready to handle them.If we aren't willing to tackle
all those economic and financial obstacles to folks settling down and having
kids in their 20s (as opposed to their 30s) you'll never see the birth rate
climbing again.Seriously though, if anyone wants to wire me $100k,
we'll start looking for a surrogacy agency.
And this my friends is why migration/immigration is a good thing......
If we are going to keep growing in numbers, we better start figuring out how to
not destroy the Earth for our posterity.
@samhill"Were it not for the fact that these stats have been available
and known for a long time as we fritter away that time on matters of far less
import, I'd have some hope we would turn the ship of state enough to avoid
the looming iceberg we're fast approaching."It's like
climate change, a slow steady shift without a sharp edge to it that comes across
as distant doesn't get addressed.
It's a simple fix - immigration. Those coming into the country
will offset the number of new children born. This one of the reasons why
projections show the US will stop being a majority-white country in the next
I'm not worried if the birth rate keeps going down. Kids are tough and if
I were to do it over I would not have any kids. My advice to newlyweds is only
have 1 or 2 kids. I grew up with 5 siblings but each of us have only had 1 or 2
kids. It is fine. The cost of living is going up and my 1 to 2 percent salary
increase for the cost of living is not enough. It could get worse with the
trade wars too. I really think people are scared to bring kids into the world
we live in now.
Have you ever met an older person who went back to their hometown and said
"look at all these houses covering the fields we use to run in as children.
I am so happy we continued to grow exponentially"? Have you ever
gone camping and been stoked to not be able to find a campsite because of how
popular your favorite place is? Have you ever tried to go skiing and
been happy that there is no parking left at 10:30? But at least a
very few people were able to make lots of money, more money then they could ever
spend in 100 lifetimes, and horde that money for their own aggrandizement. We need to STOP growth and figure out a way to have an economy that can
survive in stasis with population. Perhaps instead of shortchanging
medicare we could quit spending as much as the rest of the world COMBINED on our
'defense'...on the other side of the world.
"The U.S. birth rate is now below the replacement rate of 2.1 children per
woman, and experts say that could kick off events that will negatively impact
all U.S. generations, from stalling economic growth to shortchanging funding for
Social Security and other safety net programs that benefit the elderly."The shortsightedness of this 'we always have to be growing'
mentality is disgusting. If you make this argument please travel. Go to Dhaka
Bangladesh, go to Mumbai India, go to Rio and then explain how we need to keep
growing indefinitely. What needs to happen is for economists and business
people to figure out how to have an economy where endless population growth isnt
a necessary component. The bottom line isnt the bank account, its
the quality of your life. "The number of births to women 20-24
has fallen an average of 4 percent a year since 2007, and the birth rate for
teens dropped between 8 and 9 percent from 2017 to 2018. Since 2007, births to
females 15-19 has plummeted 60 percent."We have been fighting
for years to stop teen births and then this article makes it out to be a BAD
thing. Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer
cell. -Edward Abbey
To "Fullypresent" to some degree. There is also the problem of people at
the beginning of their careers wanting to live like their parents did in the
middle of their career.Just look at the average house size, the
number of cars per family, and other luxury items that families buy.
This is good news!At some some point world population will have to
stop growing, and we may as well deal with it now, rather than later.As human population grows we are rapidly wiping out other species, for the
sake of the rest of God's creatures humans need to quit reproducing.The world can support more humans but only at the expense of the natural
This is why congress has not done anything to curb immigration. They have known
for years that the financial numbers don’t pencil long term without
immigration due to the declination of the birth rate among Americans.
It’s also probably the reason some don’t want immigrants to
assimilate into the American culture. Once they eventually assimilate the birth
rates drop perpetuating the need for more immigration. There’s
a very interesting two part series on BYUTV titled The Demographic Winter (I
think) which gets into the how and why of birth rate decline and what it means
to economies long term.
When you combine these demographic statistics, particularly as they relate to
the so-called Social Security "safety net", with the ones mentioned in
the other current D-News article showing the abysmal savings and savings rates
of people across the generational spectrum, we are looking at some very
disturbing forecasts for the economy and general societal well being.Were it not for the fact that these stats have been available and known for a
long time as we fritter away that time on matters of far less import, I'd
have some hope we would turn the ship of state enough to avoid the looming
iceberg we're fast approaching.But, ominously, I think
that's about as likely as the chances of us actually staying below the
fanciful debt "ceiling" (what a ridiculous name for something that has
NEVER acted as a ceiling to our debt) when it comes time for Congress to ignore
Another "crisis" on the horizon. There's one everyday in every
newspaper, so many I've lost track.
When I started my family, Church leaders were counseling us to not delay
marriage, not restrict the size of or families, not delay families for education
or jobs. As my wife and I "followed the Brethren", I noticed
that many of the children of the Brethren and other well known LDS families went
against this counsel. They delayed marriage and family until their educations
were complete and their careers were established. There are economic
and financial realities that outweigh the idealistic counsel of Church leaders!
“Why More Babies Could Help Strengthen the Social Safety Net For Older
Americans”.Poor Lois. She writes a very fine article about
declining birthrates and changing demographics and then some editor applies a
title that appropriates the sentiment of her article.Only in Utah,
the capital of Ponzi schemes, could someone suggest that having more babies will
help solve the problem of too many elderly SS recipients and too few workers to
support them. Yeah, it seems like a good idea in 2045 when today’s scores
of new babies are gainfully employed in the workforce. But in 2085 when
today’s same babies are retiring, who’s going to support them?I suggest that editors of the D-News take a refresher course in math,
particularly the calculus of logarithmic functions and exponential growth.
We are at the same rate as 1978. We bounced back from it, we will bounce back
from this. When you add in a million legal immigrants a year, we will not be
running out of people, and our population will continue to increase. Many of the young people I know see our population booming because of legal
and illegal immigration, asylum, work visas, etc, and see their children growing
up in a much different world and work enviroment.
Cost of living needs to come down and cost of a family.